Je wanyama na mimea wana roho (do animal and plants have soul)

[Ishmael]

brain is the best computer in the world but you need to see true living human brains working instead of illustrations..

Equating mind and brain is irrational, is like listening to music on a radio, smashing the radio's receiver, and thereby concluding that the radio was producing the music.

 

[displayname]

Kuna mahali fulani katika maandokp nafikiri no Mhubiri anahoji akaisema nani ajuae kwamba roho ua mwanadamu huenda juu na roho ya mnyama hushuka chini?

So roho na wanyama wanazo ila mimea...wachaje saidi wengine

 

[Ishmael]

teh teh teh because in your case it is..!!

The brain is just the physical embodiment of the mind, just as the physical body is just the dwelling place of the soul.

 

[UHURU JR]

Kutaka majibu mepesi kwa maswali magumu, ujinga, kutaka kukandamiza wengine kwa hadithi za maisha baada ya kifo, kutokubali kuwa hatujui tusichokijua.

Sasa Mkuu ni misingi gani iliyotumika kusema kwamba haya madai kuwepo roho si ya kweli?maana kuna hali mbili za kukataa vitu,kuna mambo ambayo hayawezekani(yani hakuna uwezokano kutokea/kuwepo hilo jambo) na kuna kuwezekana kutokea/kuwepo hilo jambo, lakini taarifa zikawa si za kweli kwa kipindi hicho.

Sasa sijajua haya madai ya kuwepo roho yamewekwa kundi gani.

 

[Kiranga]

Sasa Mkuu ni misingi gani iliyotumika kusema kwamba haya madai kuwepo roho si ya kweli?maana kuna hali mbili za kukataa vitu,kuna mambo ambayo hayawezekani(yani hakuna uwezokano kutokea/kuwepo hilo jambo) na kuna kuwezekana kutokea/kuwepo hilo jambo, lakini taarifa zikawa si za kweli kwa kipindi hicho.

Sasa sijajua haya madai ya kuwepo roho yamewekwa kundi gani.

Kwa nini kuna hali mbili za kukataa kitu?

Kwa nini mbili tu?

Ni mbili tu au hizo ndizo unazozijua wewe tu?

 

[Ishmael]

so may you define soul in relation to brain.!!

May be you need to know what is the "soul".

The soul is the immaterial part of a person from which flow the actions, thoughts, desires, reasoning, etc. It is separate from the physical body. It is the part of the person that makes a person what he is, alive, aware, able, etc. It is the essence of personhood. Biblical theology teaches that the soul is separate from the body and can exist independently of it (2 Corinthians 5:8).

 

[Free ideas]

May be you need to know what is the "soul".

The soul is the immaterial part of a person from which flow the actions, thoughts, desires, reasoning, etc. It is separate from the physical body. It is the part of the person that makes a person what he is, alive, aware, able, etc. It is the essence of personhood. Biblical theology teaches that the soul is separate from the body and can exist independently of it (2 Corinthians 5:8).

Haya ndio matatizo ya kukopi na kupaste yaan unaweza ukadhani umekopi kumbe imegoma kama hivi.Jitahidi kutumia kichwa ndugu

 

[Eiyer]

We all have limitations kwenye uwezo wetu wa kuelewa mambo, tukitambua hilo inakuwa rahisi sana na inatupa room ya kujifunza kwa njia ya kujadiliana na nyinginezo. Being confrontational will not help you grow but will confuse you even more than you are right now.
Take time na nenda kwa wenye ujuzi wa lugha na hata wale waliobobea kwenye spiritual matters wanaweza kukuelewesha zaidi.
Kwangu binafsi a soul/ego ni nafsi na spirit/energy ni roho/nguvu

Wewe ulikuwa sahihi ila tatizo lako hukuweza kusema ni kwa namna gani ulikuwa sahihi

Tuko pamoja .....!!

 

[Ishmael]

Haya ndio matatizo ya kukopi na kupaste yaan unaweza ukadhani umekopi kumbe imegoma kama hivi.Jitahidi kutumia kichwa ndugu

All you can do is to refute. But you can not because you are a blind jibrilic slave. What is the soul? Let me guess, your deity did not address that.

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

Haya ndio matatizo ya kukopi na kupaste yaan unaweza ukadhani umekopi kumbe imegoma kama hivi.Jitahidi kutumia kichwa ndugu

sasa ungekuwa binadam kamili na busara japo kidogo,ungeweka link ya sehemu alikocopy na kutuonyesha...
vinginevyo lilia ndani ya shuka lako au mshitaki kwa Kiranga akusaidie tauro la ignore list.

 

[Ishmael]

please, can you give me one verified definition of a soul in terms of brain. By that I mean something that could not possibly be explained by any possible or probable religion means..

Soul has nothing to do with the brain. Soul/spirit can exist on its own. That is why I said, soul is the immaterial part of a person. To be more precise, you are not the body, you are the invisible person/spirit living in the body.

NOW ANSWER ME:

If the brain produces consciousness, can you explain to me, how does the brain produces consciousness?

 

[Free ideas]

sasa ungekuwa binadam kamili na busara japo kidogo,ungeweka link ya sehemu alikocopy na kutuonyesha...
vinginevyo lilia ndani ya shuka lako au mshitaki kwa Kiranga akusaidie tauro la ignore list.

Tatizo hakumalizia hata alichokuwa anakopi na kupaste.Sina haja ya kutumia Ignore list nikikuona huna busara nakupita tu.

 

[Ishmael]

Tatizo hakumalizia hata alichokuwa anakopi na kupaste.Sina haja ya kutumia Ignore list nikikuona huna busara nakupita tu.

That's not a recap. That's just another non theist clown griping.

 

[UHURU JR]

Kwa nini kuna hali mbili za kukataa kitu?

Kwa nini mbili tu?

Ni mbili tu au hizo ndizo unazozijua wewe tu?

Kama wewe unajua zaidi ya hizo mbili basi taja.

 

[Kiranga]

Kama wewe unajua zaidi ya hizo mbili basi taja.

Tuanze na hizo mbili.

Utajuaje kwamba kitu hakiwezekani?

 

[oel200e]

Wanadamu tunaamini katika maisha baada ya kifo, ingawa maisha haya yanapishana kutokana na dini mbalimbali, lakini kwa ujumla common ground ni kuwa tutaishi baada ya kufa. Msingi wa maisha baada yakifo ni imani kuwa mbali na viungo vyoote tulivyonavyo, pia tuna ROHO.

Na nimsingi wa uwepo wa roho (soul) ndo unaojenga nadharia ya maisha baada ya kifo katika dunia mpya. Kumekuwa na dhana na mtizamo tofauti katika wanyama na mimea linapokuja swala la roho. Wanazuoni wanaamini kuwa mimea na wanyama hawana roho na sifa hii ya mwanadamu ni kati ya sifa kuu zinazomtofautisha binadamu na wanyama au mimea.

Swali la kujiuliza ni Je,kama msingi wa imani ya uwepo wa roho kwa wanadamu unajengwa na imani ya maisha baada ya kifo. Na kwa kuwa maisha baada ya kifo ni dhana ya kidini kwa wafuasi wa Mungu mmoja.

Na ni roho ndo inaaminika kuwa huendeleza maisha kwa kwenda mbinguni Je vitabu vya dinivinasemaje kuhusu uwepo wa wanyama na mimea katika dunia ya roho/ mbingu (ntazungumzia biblia, mwenye taarifa nakuran ntaomba achangie mtizamo huo) Isaya 65:25 “mbwa mwitu namwanakondoo watalisha pamoja, na simba atakula majani kama ngo’ombe, na mavumbi yatakuwa chakula cha nyoka.

Hawatadhuru wala kuharibu katika mlima wangu mtakatifu wote” asema Bwana. Nabii isaya anathibitishakuwa mbinguni kutakuwa na wanyama na anatoa mfano wa mbwa mwitu, kondoo, ng’ombe,simba, na nyoka. Ufunuo 19:14 pia Yesu anaonekana akirudi na jeshi lake la mbinguni huku akiwa juu ya FARASI mweupe.

Lakini pia Ufunuo 22:1-3 inaonyesha kuwa mbinguni patakuwa na miti. Je hii ni uthibitisho kuwa wanyama na mimea pia wana roho kamawanadamu, na kila wanyama na mimea wanapopoteza maisha roho zao huishi na pia huenda mbinguni kama wanadamu ili kungojea ile siku kuu ya Dunia mpya ya waliochaguliwa na Mungu pekee.

Karibuni.

CC Ishmael, Eiyer, Punjab Singh, Mkuu wa chuo

I think everything has a spirit (especially when you involve the fact that we "spirit" drive the body) it's just like a plant driving its growth from a seed to a big tree ..hata kwenye our native religions people have been talking through a medium for centuries..kwenye tamaduni zilizoendelea mapema (Greeks,Egyptians) they used to have gods of earth,fire,crops e.t.c...But I think swali lako linaelekea zaidi kwenye ishu nyingine ya kwamba...kama kila kitu kina roho,what makes us diferent from plants and animals?...the answer is "utashi"..we can reason,they can't..a wild tree or animal will always be wild..humans always evolve.

 

[ngombelee]

Soul ni roho
Spirit ni nafsi

Usichanganye hayo mawili ...!!

sahihi

 

[ngombelee]

Nadhani hapa mtakua mnachanganya vitu viwili tofauti, kati ya roho na nafsi ndomana hamjaelewana hapa

 

[UHURU JR]

Tuanze na hizo mbili.

Utajuaje kwamba kitu hakiwezekani?

Kuna vitu ambavyo haviwezekani..mfano ngamia kupita kwenye tundu la sindano,ukiangalia tundu la sindano lilivyo dogo ni wazi kuwa hakuna uwezekano wa mwili wa ngamia kupita.
Kwahiyo anapotokea mtu na kusema ngamia anaweza kupita kwenye tundu la sindano nitapinga kwa sababu hiyo niliyoitaja labda iwe kwa miujiza.

 

[Kiranga]

Kuna vitu ambavyo haviwezekani..mfano ngamia kupita kwenye tundu la sindano,ukiangalia tundu la sindano lilivyo dogo ni wazi kuwa hakuna uwezekano wa mwili wa ngamia kupita.
Kwahiyo anapotokea mtu na kusema ngamia anaweza kupita kwenye tundu la sindano nitapinga kwa sababu hiyo niliyoitaja labda iwe kwa miujiza.

Umerukia kusema haiwezekani ngamia kupita kwenye tundu la sindano bila hata ya kutueleza ngamia ana ukubwa gani na tundu la sindano lina ukubwa gani.

Vipi kama tundu la sindano ni kubwa kupita ngamia?

Hili litakuwa haliwezekani bado?

Ukubwa wa tundu la sindano unaanzia wapi na kuishia wapi?