Kenya Ina Kipi Cha Kujivunia Toka Ipeleke Majeshi Somalia Takribani Miaka Nane Iliyopita?

Kenya Ina Kipi Cha Kujivunia Toka Ipeleke Majeshi Somalia Takribani Miaka Nane Iliyopita?

kennedy0000 said:
Civilian massacres
Westgate - 67
Dusit - 21
Garissa University - 148

Other minor ones -
Total - 250 - 300 Kenyan civilians.
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Man you are just assuming. There are countless small scale Al Shabab attacks that dont attract international attention.

They happen week in week out leaving several dead and others injured. You are being delusional kusema eti ndani ya hii miaka nane Al Shabaab wameua hiyo idadi ndogo kiasi hicho!
 
chaliifrancisco said:
Man you are just assuming. There are countless small scale Al Shabab attacks that dont attract international attention.

They happen week in week out leaving several dead and others dead. You are being delusional kusema eti ndani ya hii miaka nane Al Shabaab wameua hiyo idadi ndogo kiasi hicho!
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Keep dreaming and hoping.
I am in Kenya and don't need "international attention" to know of an attack. All of them are reported by our local media.

And the vast majority of these attacks are IEDs on KDF or police vehicles in North Eastern. And not civilians as you hope. Many of these end up with one or two fatalities and most of them just injuries.

For every Kenyan killed by Alshabab, KDF has killed 100 Alshabab.

Also be careful, Kenya intelligence is also cracking down on sympathizers like you, planners, recruiters and financiers. We're going for them wherever they are, inside and outside our country.

Alafu if I can make a correction. I had forgotten one major attack in Mpeketoni.
The total Kenyan civilians killed by terrorists since 2002 Kikambala bombings is between 344 and 400.

Go check the statistics here - Terrorism in Kenya - Wikipedia
If you have any more figures, tell us where you're getting them.

And for the past few years we've crashed Al shabab to the point that they can no longer carry out an attack like in Garissa.
 
chaliifrancisco said:
Sad thing ni kuwa mnaua thousands of civilians chini ya mwavuli wa Al Shabaab. Kubalini tu hamwezi kuwathibiti hao jamaa.
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Al shabab are civilians.
They hide in homes, wear normal clothes have no formal training.

If Al shabab was a conventional army, we would have crashed them in one afternoon.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Al shabab are civilians.
They hide in homes, wear normal clothes have no formal training.

If Al shabab was a conventional army, we would have crashed them in one afternoon.
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Give us one evidence whereby KDF managed to crush any conventional army?. By the way Alshabab like ISIS do wear Uniform, they have occupied very big part of Somalia, they are very organized like ISIS, while ISIS has been defeated and driven out of their territories, Alshabab still very strong, why can't you go and root them out from their territories like the way they were driven out from Mogadishu and Kismayu?

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joto la jiwe said:
Give us one evidence whereby KDF managed to crush any conventional army?. By the way Alshabab like ISIS do wear Uniform, they have occupied very big part of Somalia, they are very organized like ISIS, while ISIS has been defeated and driven out of their territories, Alshabab still very strong, why can't you go and root them out from their territories like the way they were driven out from Mogadishu and Kismayu?

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They only wear uniforms when going out to attack.
Their bases are secret.
They live in civilian homes with their families.
They mingle with civilians and take cover among civilians.

The only way to find them without harming civilians is during training, or repulsing their attack. But the most important one is using intelligence to find their followers and their bases.

If Al shabab, ISIS or whichever terror group was conventional, there would be no need to send soldiers. Airstrikes at their bases would finish them in a few hours.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Give us one evidence whereby KDF managed to crush any conventional army?
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Has KDF fought any conventional army. Use your head.
Ambia TPDF walete nye nye nye.
After only 2 hours your army bases will be flattened. Your army men who survive the strikes will be forced to take to the forest.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Keep dreaming and hoping.
I am in Kenya and don't need "international attention" to know of an attack. All of them are reported by our local media.

And the vast majority of these attacks are IEDs on KDF or police vehicles in North Eastern. And not civilians as you hope. Many of these end up with one or two fatalities and most of them just injuries.

For every Kenyan killed by Alshabab, KDF has killed 100 Alshabab.

Also be careful, Kenya intelligence is also cracking down on sympathizers like you, planners, recruiters and financiers. We're going for them wherever they are, inside and outside our country.

Alafu if I can make a correction. I had forgotten one major attack in Mpeketoni.
The total Kenyan civilians killed by terrorists since 2002 Kikambala bombings is between 344 and 400.

Go check the statistics here - Terrorism in Kenya - Wikipedia
If you have any more figures, tell us where you're getting them.

And for the past few years we've crashed Al shabab to the point that they can no longer carry out an attack like in Garissa.
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Did you even notice that the 'lesser attacks' were only accounted for from 2010-2015?

What abaout the other years? Then do you believe that the government gives out the correct number of civilian casualities. Don't they hide anything for whatever reason they may have?

Siku Al Shabaab wakikuja kwe kejo yako ndio itakuwa wake up call na unfortunately inaeza kuwa ndio bye bye. [emoji16]
 
chaliifrancisco said:
Did you even notice that the 'lesser attacks' were only accounted for from 2010-2015?

What abaout the other years? Then do you believe that the government gives out the correct number of civilian casualities. Don't they hide anything for whatever reason they may have?

Siku Al Shabaab wakikuja kwe kejo yako ndio itakuwa wake up call na unfortunately inaeza kuwa ndio bye bye. [emoji16]
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Unlike Tanzania where you wait on the government for figures, Kenya has a vibrant media that verifies from morgues and other sources.
Even when the figures don't match, they are not that far off.

Finally, I know you wanted the causalities to be much higher. Hio ndio itakuwa furaha yako kuprove point yako.
But unless you come up with credible figures your wishful thinking ends here.
Al shabab is 95% crashed.
Somalia hatubanduki mpaka Al shabab ikuwe history.
There might be more attacks in Kenya, but fire must be fought at the source.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Civilian massacres
Westgate - 67
Dusit - 21
Garissa University - 148

Other minor ones - <50

Total - 250 - 300 Kenyan civilians.
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I don't see mpeketoni in here which was a target record breaker, because it was attacked twice if not thrice inside a week.

but the bottom line, no matter how many people have died, Kenya has to revisit her plan on terror defence.
 
eliakeem said:
I don't see mpeketoni in here which was a target record breaker, because it was attacked twice if not thrice inside a week.

but the bottom line, no matter how many people have died, Kenya has to revisit her plan on terror defence.
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I made the correction on Mpeketoni in the next post.

And better defended countries like France have faced worse. Just know the attacks that have been prevented or thwarted are the most, and they go unreported.

The best defense against terrorism is obliterating them at the source.
 
kennedy0000 said:
They only wear uniforms when going out to attack.
Their bases are secret.
They live in civilian homes with their families.
They mingle with civilians and take cover among civilians.

The only way to find them without harming civilians is during training, or repulsing their attack. But the most important one is using intelligence to find their followers and their bases.

If Al shabab, ISIS or whichever terror group was conventional, there would be no need to send soldiers. Airstrikes at their bases would finish them in a few hours.
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Wewe ni mwongo sana na hujui lolote zaidi ya kupiga domo, Alshabab ni jeshi rasmi, wanatumia silaha kubwa na magari, kumbuka wanatumia magari ya kijeshi na silaha zingine kubwa walizozikamata waliposhambulia kambi za jeshi la Burundi, Uganda na Kenya, kumbuka huwa wanakamata silaha nyingi sana, kama wanajichanganya na watu, je hayo magari ya kijeshi pia wanaingia Mayo ndani ya Nyumba za raia?

Alshabab kwa miaka mingi sana walikua wanashikilia miji mikubwa kama Mogadishu na Kismayu, baada ya kuolewa huko, sasa hivi wanashikilia South west part ya Somamalia, KDF South East, Uganda na Burundi ni Central na Mogadishu, Northern ni Djibouti. Utakumbuka ndege ya Kivita F-5 ilipodunguliwa mwaka 2014 ilianguka ndani ya eneo linaloshikiliwa na Alshabab hivyo kushindwa kwenda kupata maiti ya rubani na hata kupata mabaki ya ndege yenyewe.

Kwa taarifa yako Alshabab ni jeshi kamili, linashikilia eneo kubwa tu la Somalia, ila mbinu ya vita wanayotumia ni Gorrila war, wanashambulia kwa kuvizia, na huko wanakoshikilia wanajificha, lakini kuna wakati drones za USA zinagundua maficho na kuwashambulia.

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kennedy0000 said:
Unlike Tanzania where you wait on the government for figures, Kenya has a vibrant media that verifies from morgues and other sources.
Even when the figures don't match, they are not that far off.

Finally, I know you wanted the causalities to be much higher. Hio ndio itakuwa furaha yako kuprove point yako.
But unless you come up with credible figures your wishful thinking ends here.
Al shabab is 95% crashed.
Somalia hatubanduki mpaka Al shabab ikuwe history.
There might be more attacks in Kenya, but fire must be fought at the source.
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All the best chief. I was just thinking ila kama nyie wenyewe mko fit na hilo jambo pasi haina pang'ang'a.
 
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Janerose mzalendo said:
Ulikuwa unataka iwe idadi kubwa????
Huu Uzi unafaa kufungwa
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Usi catch feelings fasta ivo mjistaa, soma uelewe kile maanisha na sio perceptions za kile unataka kuamini kuwa ndio nilitaka kusema.

I said the numbers are higher than the normal figure that you are told. Your government is lying.
 
kennedy0000 said:
I made the correction on Mpeketoni in the next post.

And better defended countries like France have faced worse. Just know the attacks that have been prevented or thwarted are the most, and they go unreported.

The best defense against terrorism is obliterating them at the source.
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You a fighting a losing battle. As long as KDF remains in Somalia, Kenya will always be shaken with terror. Al Shabaab have cemented themselves inside Kenya it's hard to thwart them with ease.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Has KDF fought any conventional army. Use your head.
Ambia TPDF walete nye nye nye.
After only 2 hours your army bases will be flattened. Your army men who survive the strikes will be forced to take to the forest.
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I said it early that the aim of this thread is to advice the government of Kenya to rethink about how it's dealing with Al Shabaab.

We are not here to brag about TPDF or KDF.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Unlike Tanzania where you wait on the government for figures, Kenya has a vibrant media that verifies from morgues and other sources.
Even when the figures don't match, they are not that far off.

Finally, I know you wanted the causalities to be much higher. Hio ndio itakuwa furaha yako kuprove point yako.
But unless you come up with credible figures your wishful thinking ends here.
Al shabab is 95% crashed.
Somalia hatubanduki mpaka Al shabab ikuwe history.
There might be more attacks in Kenya, but fire must be fought at the source.
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Hahahaha wewe ni pimbi kweli, hadi Leo serikali yenu imekataa kutoa idadi kamili ya KDF waliouliwa El- ede camp, bado unasema unlike Tanzania, kwa taarifa yako, more than 600 KDF solders died.

Kuhusu terrorists attacks, Mombasa, Lamu, Carissa, karibu kila siku watu wanavamiwa, vituo vya POLISI na magari ya polisi yanalipuliwa na land mines, watu wengi wanapoteza maisha kutokana na hizi attacks kuliko hizo big attacks.

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