Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy

[EMT]

Acha jazba kama ni hiyo ya nchi ya walalamikaji ya Prof. Hirji ni mimi ndio nilikuwa mtu wa kwanza kuiposti humu ndani (JF), lakini haihusiani na haya mambo ya kuwalea waKenya kama unavyojaribu kufanya....Posti zako ni za mtu anayepotea bila kupenda kwa sababu tu ya kutaka kujifanya, au kushindana, au ujuaji sana zaidi ya waTanzania wenzake, sisi si mazuzu mkuu...:A S-coffee:

Watu wa jamii yenu mmekuwa mkijichukilia advantage ya hulka ya waTanzania ya kutopenda sifa na kujipendekeza au kudharau wengine na kufanya kama ndio udhaifu wetu....:A S-coffee:

Nakupotezea. Huna jipya. Ni yale yale ya Geza Ulole.

 

[Bantugbro]

Nakupotezea. Huna jipya. Ni yale yale ya Geza Ulole.

You are welcome...:A S-coffee:

 

[EMT]

You are welcome...:A S-coffee:

Ila heshima mbele. Usiwe unaniita mdogo wako wakati hata hunijui. Assumptions ni mbaya sana.

 

[Bantugbro]

Ila heshima mbele. Usiwe unaniita mdogo wako wakati hata hunijui. Assumptions ni mbaya sana.

Ni kama vile unavyodhani kuwa waTanzania wote ni mazuzu....:A S-coffee:

 

[EMT]

Ni kama vile unavyodhani kuwa waTanzania wote ni mazuzu....:A S-coffee:

Hizo zilikuwa assumptions zako. Ila huu mtindo wa kutoka kwenye bar straight na kujadili mambo magumu....

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ni kama vile unavyodhani kuwa waTanzania wote ni mazuzu....:A S-coffee:

Huyu atakuwa ameolewa huko Kenya maana anavyolalamika kuhusu ofisi ya za uhamiaji kuwa Arusha as if ndiyo sababu ya kufunga hiyo border hapo juzi! Ina maana Mgeni akitaka kuingia TZ (non East African) ni mpk aende Arusha kupata temporary living permit? haiingii akilini! Back to the point i used a word fool in the context above not to express hate but representing an ignorant person in Kenya! And moreover i used Nyang'au in the context to expres of their attitude of not accepting their wrongdoings but quick at crying fouls to seek sympath from the rest of the member states while victimizing TZ! Otherwise u have a name for that habit u can't call that hate...

 

[EMT]

Huyu atakuwa ameolewa huko Kenya maana anavyolalamika kuhusu ofisi ya za uhamiaji kuwa Arusha as if ndiyo sababu ya kufunga hiyo border hapo juzi! Ina maana Mgeni akitaka kuingia TZ (non East African) ni mpk aende Arusha kupata temporary living permit? haiingii akilini! Back to the point i used a word fool in the context above not to express hate but representing an ignorant person in Kenya! And moreover i used Nyang'au in the context to expres of their attitude of not accepting their wrongdoings but quick at crying fouls to seek sympath from the rest of the member states while victimizing TZ! Otherwise u have a name for that habit u can't call that hate...

Hapo kwenye red naona umeumia sana baada ya watu uliowaita "fools" kukupiga bao kwenye argument. Give them a wink and lick your lips for how badly you messed up in your argument. Hapo kwenye blue at least umekubali you were emotive in your argument. Hapo kwa kijani ulikuwa unamaanisha "crying fools"?

 

[Kobello]

Huyu atakuwa ameolewa huko Kenya maana anavyolalamika kuhusu ofisi ya za uhamiaji kuwa Arusha as if ndiyo sababu ya kufunga hiyo border hapo juzi! Ina maana Mgeni akitaka kuingia TZ (non East African) ni mpk aende Arusha kupata temporary living permit? haiingii akilini! Back to the point i used a word fool in the context above not to express hate but representing an ignorant person in Kenya! And moreover i used Nyang'au in the context to expres of their attitude of not accepting their wrongdoings but quick at crying fouls to seek sympath from the rest of the member states while victimizing TZ! Otherwise u have a name for that habit u can't call that hate...

mKUU ACHA KUSUTANA NAE!..
hakuna political will on our part (Tanzania) kuungana na Kenya. Tunawawekea vikwazxo bado hawaelewi somo.
We need a refferrendum!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Hapo kwenye red naona umeumia sana baada ya watu uliowaita "fools" kukupiga bao kwenye argument. Give them a wink and lick your lips for how badly you messed up in your argument. Hapo kwenye blue at least umekubali you were emotive in your argument. Hapo kwa kijani ulikuwa unamaanisha "crying fools"?

ina maana hujui maana ya neno foul? ay ndio muendelezo wa kukurupuka to prove ur much know syndrome? Anyway mi si level moja kubishana think the way u like to think it is up to u!

 

[EMT]

ina maana hujui maanaya neno foul? ay ndio muendelezo wa kukurupuka to prove ur much know syndrome? Anyway mi si level moja kubishana think the way u like to think it is ur opinion!

Nilitaka niwe na uhakika b'se you have the tradition of using the word "fools". Sawa mkuu hauko level moja na sie kubishana. Labda ndio maana hata wale unaowaita "fool" wanakushinda kwenye hoja because your level of arguing is in another level?

 

[Geza Ulole]

Nilitaka niwe na uhakika b'se you have the tradition of using the word "fools". Sawa mkuu hauko level moja na sie kubishana. Labda ndio maana hata wale unaowaita "fool" wanakushinda kwenye hoja because your level of arguing is in another level?

mtu anaye-cram kama wewe hawezi nishinda kwa hoja hata siku moja maana kwako wewe foul and fool r the same words! keep dreaming! Pia mpaka sasa hujapata gist of my argument to show how u r a king of diverting from the cause ! To me u sound to be more subjective than objective ndo maana use of words fool and nyang'au means a lot to u than the bigger picture i.e. internal and external tariffs and non-tariffs obstacles and the overall concept of protectionism! U need to learn a lot on this to be conversant on the argument overhere! usijiskie vibaya kukuambia hauko level moja, it is just u need to get 1 or a 2 on how economic blocks work!

 

[EMT]

mtu anaye-cram kama wewe hawezi nishinda kwa hoja hata siku moja maana kwako wewe foul and fool r the same words! keep dreaming! Pia mpaka sasa hujapata gist of my argument to show how u r a king of diverting from the cause ! To me u sound to be more subjective than objective ndo maana use of words fool and nyang'au means a lot to u than the bigger picture i.e. internal and external tariffs and non-tariffs obstacles and the overall concept of protectionism! U need to learn a lot on this to be conversant on the argument overhere! usijiskie vibaya kukuambia hauko level moja, it is just u need to get 1 or a 2 on how economic blocks work!

Haaa haaa. Unapenda kweli kudakia kwenye vihoja visivyo vya msingi. Ni wapi nimesema "foul" and "fool" are the same word? Unaweza kunionyesha please? Sawa Mkuu you know everything about external and non-tariffs obstacles. You know better about the protectionism. But how come the people you call "fool" and now to divert the attention "foul" keep beating you in argument?

Usikute ndio nyie mnapelekwa kugenotiate trade agreements kwa kujifanya mnajua saaana mwishowe mnaishia kusaini trade agreements which are not in favour of us? Inaonyesha bado umejikita kwenye concepts za darasani wakati sie tunaongelea reality. Unadhani kama vile hizo concepts zako zina-aaply in practice kama zilivyo. Probably, that is what keep you in different levl of thinking.

 

[kshaka]

The thing some people need to realise is that blocking trade (while it may be crowd pleasing, for the nationalists) does no one any good. It's not even in the interests of those doing it so why are they behaving in this manner?

Rules and levies nightmare at Kenya Tanzania border  - News |nation.co.ke

Mr Suleiman Mohammed and his colleague Ali are Tanzanian drivers whose business has been to ferry goods across the border between Kenya and Tanzania for the Tanzanian firm, Elias Transporters. This evening, they sit on the collapsible engine compartment cover of one trucks, chatting about football.







But they are a worried lot. It is Wednesday of the second week since they arrived here at the Namanga border post, headed to Dar es Salaam from Nairobi. They were driving Tanzanian trucks whose trailers had been moulded in Nairobi.

Having cleared with the Kenyan authorities, the Tanzania border side placed a freezer on their journey: it had to verify that indeed the trucks were Tanzanian, otherwise how else would trucks carry trailers from Kenya?

That verification has taken two weeks. “We took two days to be cleared by Kenyan authorities. But the Tanzania Revenue Authority told us our lorries had a problem which must be fixed from Dar es Salaam,” claims Suleiman.


“We showed them documents to prove the vehicles were bought and registered in Tanzania. We then produced documents to prove the trailers were modelled in Nairobi, but the officials insist that they have to get proof of the chassis number from Dar.”


These drivers’ predicament is no different from many others who have plied across the Kenya-Tanzania border. Many of those the Nation talked to for this story complained of many, long and unnecessary conditions they have to pass before they are allowed in.

Ten days ago, the Kenya-Tanzania border in Taveta was temporarily closed after motorists protested against the increment of vehicle levy by Tanzania authorities. The Tanzanian officials imposed a vehicle levy of $200 (Sh17,000) for vehicles entering its borders from Kenya.
Later, Tanzania’s minister in charge of East African affairs Samuel Sitta said the decision to increase the levy had been done behind the back of the central government. He argued that local officials had “composed” the rule to fleece traders, a thing he argued, was not the position of his government. (this is what some of our friends here were defending, corruption under the guise of nationalism :A S-coffee🙂

“My government was not involved at all. Really, we cannot allow something which is against the law (Common Market Protocol). Let, me repeat, local authorities have no powers to interfere with international matters. That is why we have relevant ministries in our countries to deal with that,” he said.


There are more conditions though. In Tanzania, while Mr Sitta said the issue of yellow fever should not be used to deny entry to nationals of member countries, visitors entering the country without the certificate part with $50 (Sh4,100) upon which they receive the compulsory injection.


“We followed it up and discovered that it is really being levied under a bylaw under the MOH. This really cannot be permitted, they have taken their time, but we are seeing to the end of this bothersome practice,” he said.

Last week, top Kenyan and Tanzanian officials in charge of East African Community affairs met in Namanga to discuss modalities of reducing restrictions for traders. Kenya’s delegation was led by EAC minister Musa Sirma. Other officials included Kenya’s High Commissioner to Tanzania Mutinda Mutiso, top officials in the ministry and local administrators.


When the officials came out of the meeting hall for a joint rally to border residents, they were met with a basketful of complaints from traders and residents alike. “I am Tanzanian but married to a Kenyan. My husband cannot travel to see a relative in Tanzania or attend a funeral until he has a yellow fever certificate,” said one woman.

“My husband was arrested in Tanzania, but he has never been charged. I would want him to be formally charged so we can know the mistake he committed,” claimed another. Soon, the sensitisation meeting hall was becoming heated with a multitude of blame games from both sides.


Mr Al-Hassan Ahmed is a Kenyan, born in Garisaa, but migrated to Namanga to do business. His claim is that he has had his passport confiscated many times because he is of Somali origin. “They took it, saying I couldn’t show why I was travelling to Tanzania. They only gave it back after Kenyan officials intervened.”







Tanzanians also have their accusations. “Sometimes our livestock is confiscated on grounds that it has no permit. Then, the police tell us to go back home because the animals can no longer be sold. So we end up losing the animals as well,” charged one herder.

Tanzanian immigration officials said the matter of confiscating travel documents was only a result of “communication breakdown”.

“Sometimes we only get suspicious because it is not normal, for example, for one to get a passport yesterday and travel tomorrow,” argued Mr John Joseph, an immigration official.

Kenyan police officers at the border also discounted the claims of confiscation, saying Tanzanians often run away for fear of arrest instead of cooperating with authorities.

The Common Market Protocol launched in 2010, was meant to reduce trade barriers between East African community member countries as they do business with one another. Kenya and Tanzania trade in business worth Sh38 billion.

In 2005, the EAC had launched the Customs Union Protocol, meant to unify tax laws and removed many of the levies charged on goods. One year after this Protocol, trade within members rose from Sh166 billion to Sh332 billion, according to the Ministry of EAC.

But the reality is that each of these countries has its own internal laws that seem to contradict or slow down the implementation of these protocols. Traders headed to Tanzania seem to be hardest hit with conditions not related to the goods in transit.



Mr Samson Kinyua, a tour driver claimed that he had to part with $600 (Sh49,200) because he was to ferry tourists to Tanzania’s national parks. The documents he had, indicated that he had paid for “work permit” fees. Meanwhile, Tanzania has continued to charge the $200 fee at the Holili border point, near Taita Taveta, to vehicles entering its territory.


Government officials admit that tough restrictions are encouraging sneaking across borders. Both Tanzanian and Kenyan officials at last week’s meeting admitted that the tough restrictions across the borders had in fact encouraged traders to use illegal means to ferry their goods. Kenya’s Musa Sirma joked to his Tanzanian counterpart: “Last year, you guys restricted maize exports to Kenya, but we still ate that maize; how did it reach Kenya?”

 

[Kabaridi]

mtu anaye-cram kama wewe hawezi nishinda kwa hoja hata siku moja maana kwako wewe foul and fool r the same words! keep dreaming! Pia mpaka sasa hujapata gist of my argument to show how u r a king of diverting from the cause ! To me u sound to be more subjective than objective ndo maana use of words fool and nyang'au means a lot to u than the bigger picture i.e. internal and external tariffs and non-tariffs obstacles and the overall concept of protectionism! U need to learn a lot on this to be conversant on the argument overhere! usijiskie vibaya kukuambia hauko level moja, it is just u need to get 1 or a 2 on how economic blocks work!

Wewe huwezi shindwa kwa hoja namna gani?? Wengi wenu munaojiita "critical thinkers" munathrive katika fikra bandia. Ubishi tu na kuona kuwa munafahamu yote, na pengine akili hii bandia ndio baadhi ya viongozi wenu wako nayo katika serikali za kaunti. Mwafrika atapumua lini hewa safi Ikiwa tutakuwa kila mmoja wetu tunajiona tunajua. Ni kweli wahenga walivyonena Akili ya watu wengi huondoa maarifa. I see elements of egotism in you. Based on your arguments zote zako you have the least knowledge of how Trading blocs work, kwa hivyo usimshtumu mwenzako kwa kile pia wewe hujui. Kawaida nyani kumbe haoni nyuma.

 

[Kabaridi]

Ni kama vile unavyodhani kuwa waTanzania wote ni mazuzu....:A S-coffee:

Nobody has blatantly said that Tanzanians are mazuzu, but when your are challenged by a fellow contry man you also cry out that you are mazuzu!!

 

[Bantugbro]

Nobody has blatantly said that Tanzanians are mazuzu, but when your are challenged by a fellow contry man you also cry out that you are mazuzu!!

Nenda kapumzike kijana, acha ubishi usio na maana ushaambiwa kuwa hamtakiwi (mwawekewa vikwazo chungu mzima) lakini bado mwang'ang'ania tu watu wengine bana...:A S-coffee:

 

[Kabaridi]

Nenda kapumzike kijana, acha ubishi usio na maana ushaambiwa kuwa hamtakiwi (mwawekewa vikwazo chungu mzima) lakini bado mwang'ang'ania tu watu wengine bana...:A S-coffee:

Wewe afadhali ukapumzike, there is nothing you know. Hamna hata hoja, ni ignorance tu. Vikwazo zenu hazituumizi sisi, ni nyie wapuzi hamwezi hata kajisaidia bali Kulalamika tu na takwimu za uongo, eeti CIA. This is not your area uende uchunge mifugo za mzee, ikiwa umekosa kazi. You act as though wewe ni msomi bali ni mjuaji. Kwanini hata unajishughulisha kujibu hapa? Umesoma hii thread umeona nani anatupa tupa mdomo hapa kama wewe. Uchumi wa Tanzania una potential kubwa na hauta endeshwa na nyangau, lakini pia haitendeshwa na watu wenye fikra kama yako ifaulu, :angry:. this is an open forum for constructive criticsm.

 

[Kabaridi]

[h=1]Rules and levies nightmare at Kenya Tanzania border[/h]

Photo/LABAN WALLOGA Trucks blocked at Taveta border point after Tanzanian authorities closed the border trade with Kenya businessmen on February 19, 2012.
By AGGREY MUTAMBO amutambo@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Monday, February 27 2012 at 22:55



Mr Suleiman Mohammed and his colleague Ali are Tanzanian drivers whose business has been to ferry goods across the border between Kenya and Tanzania for the Tanzanian firm, Elias Transporters. This evening, they sit on the collapsible engine compartment cover of one trucks, chatting about football.

But they are a worried lot. It is Wednesday of the second week since they arrived here at the Namanga border post, headed to Dar es Salaam from Nairobi. They were driving Tanzanian trucks whose trailers had been moulded in Nairobi.

Having cleared with the Kenyan authorities, the Tanzania border side placed a freezer on their journey: it had to verify that indeed the trucks were Tanzanian, otherwise how else would trucks carry trailers from Kenya?

That verification has taken two weeks. “We took two days to be cleared by Kenyan authorities. But the Tanzania Revenue Authority told us our lorries had a problem which must be fixed from Dar es Salaam,” claims Suleiman.

“We showed them documents to prove the vehicles were bought and registered in Tanzania. We then produced documents to prove the trailers were modelled in Nairobi, but the officials insist that they have to get proof of the chassis number from Dar.”

These drivers’ predicament is no different from many others who have plied across the Kenya-Tanzania border. Many of those the Nation talked to for this story complained of many, long and unnecessary conditions they have to pass before they are allowed in.

Ten days ago, the Kenya-Tanzania border in Taveta was temporarily closed after motorists protested against the increment of vehicle levy by Tanzania authorities. The Tanzanian officials imposed a vehicle levy of $200 (Sh17,000) for vehicles entering its borders from Kenya. (READ:Tanzania disowns levy on Kenyan vehicles)

Later, Tanzania’s minister in charge of East African affairs Samuel Sitta said the decision to increase the levy had been done behind the back of the central government. He argued that local officials had “composed” the rule to fleece traders, a thing he argued, was not the position of his government.
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“My government was not involved at all. Really, we cannot allow something which is against the law (Common Market Protocol). Let, me repeat, local authorities have no powers to interfere with international matters. That is why we have relevant ministries in our countries to deal with that,” he said.

There are more conditions though. In Tanzania, while Mr Sitta said the issue of yellow fever should not be used to deny entry to nationals of member countries, visitors entering the country without the certificate part with $50 (Sh4,100) upon which they receive the compulsory injection.

“We followed it up and discovered that it is really being levied under a bylaw under the MOH. This really cannot be permitted, they have taken their time, but we are seeing to the end of this bothersome practice,” he said.

Last week, top Kenyan and Tanzanian officials in charge of East African Community affairs met in Namanga to discuss modalities of reducing restrictions for traders. Kenya’s delegation was led by EAC minister Musa Sirma. Other officials included Kenya’s High Commissioner to Tanzania Mutinda Mutiso, top officials in the ministry and local administrators.

When the officials came out of the meeting hall for a joint rally to border residents, they were met with a basketful of complaints from traders and residents alike. “I am Tanzanian but married to a Kenyan. My husband cannot travel to see a relative in Tanzania or attend a funeral until he has a yellow fever certificate,” said one woman.

“My husband was arrested in Tanzania, but he has never been charged. I would want him to be formally charged so we can know the mistake he committed,” claimed another. Soon, the sensitisation meeting hall was becoming heated with a multitude of blame games from both sides.

 

[Bantugbro]

Wewe afadhali ukapumzike, there is nothing you know. Hamna hata hoja, ni ignorance tu. Vikwazo zenu hazituumizi sisi, ni nyie wapuzi hamwezi hata kajisaidia bali Kulalamika tu na takwimu za uongo, eeti CIA. This is not your area uende uchunge mifugo za mzee, ikiwa umekosa kazi. You act as though wewe ni msomi bali ni mjuaji. Kwanini hata unajishughulisha kujibu hapa? Umesoma hii thread umeona nani anatupa tupa mdomo hapa kama wewe. Uchumi wa Tanzania una potential kubwa na hauta endeshwa na nyangau, lakini pia haitendeshwa na watu wenye fikra kama yako ifaulu, :angry:. this is an open forum for constructive criticsm.

Uchumi wa Tanzania wewe unakuhusu nini, kwanini usiende ukasaidie uchumi wa Kenya, kila siku uko humu tu kazi kupiga domo juu ya issues za Tanzania wakati watanzania hawakutaki, Kwani huoni aibu???:A S-coffee:

 

[Kabaridi]

Uchumi wa Tanzania wewe unakuhusu nini, kwanini usiende ukasaidie uchumi wa Kenya, kila siku uko humu tu kazi kupiga domo juu ya issues za Tanzania wakati watanzania hawakutaki, Kwani huoni aibu???:A S-coffee:

Nilikwambia afadhali usijishughulishe kujibu, sina wakati wa kujaribu poteza wakati mabishano ya kiupuzi na ya kiuwanawali. Nenda kwa JF gossip tafadhali. Leave this posts and forum thread to those who are not faint-hearted. Ninakuonea huruma kwasababu, you cannot stand firm as a man an answer straight answers to topical issues that affect the society.