Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy

[Rufiji]

It's good the matter resolved amicably and thanks to to Mr Sita for his sober head.Trade and Investment are the only remaining keys for any economic growth and development especially when major players being Small and Medium Size businesses.The idea behind any economic block like EAC or SADC is to allow trade so that individual citizens within that block can benefit directly from it by having a larger market to service,as this encourages healthy competition it also promotes growth for SME's.The responsibility of any govt is to ensure a conducive environment for trade and investment for it to attract more investors within her boundaries.
The increase in the levy was bad for business only coming at a time when Kenyan govt had instructed the Narok count council not to charge any fee from any truck and lorry coming from Tanzania into Kenya..and the only border that was closed was the Taveta one because the Namanga border was open for trade.
My humble appeal to our Tanzanian brothers is to be tolerant this is a virtue that u need most, u may be kind,loving and hospitable -and we respect and love you for that-, but what is the benefit of all this without tolerance ,patience and sober approach to issues.We can not change circumstances EAC is here to stay(this is not 1979) you will c more of us in Tanzania and the rest of EAC countries..we will bring skills,capital and create opportunities...hatred for Kenyans will not add anything to TZ's GDP or economic growth.
We r in Tanzania because you need us and very badly for that matter.....your brothers and sisters here in Kenya are treated with the respect and honor they deserve and we appreciate the little contribution they make to our economy ..i have never heard anybody treating them badly or badmouthing them, but i wont blame you for your hatred and branding us names as " nyang'au".... our efforts in Tanzania r the one's giving Tanzania the little respect it enjoys among the society of nations as a developing country.We respect ourselves thats y we cant behave like you do, we r in Tanzania to stay and i will keep on encouraging more Tanzanians to visit Kenya to do business.Most of you need to travel,y should you be born and die in one place!?that's y you post foolish comments here as if TZ is an island that should exist on its own! no wonder u r worst entrepreneurs !!!You talk of SADC as if you benefit anything from it! its there to benefit SA and its the weakest trading block to ever exist,but i love your membership in SADC i will simply incorporate my company in Tanzania under EAC....then i will have access to the SADC market as Tanzanian company.!!
Kenyans thrive in harsh conditions..if u make things so difficult for them then be ready to c the best out of them .we are raised up and taught to be the best in everything, we may have weakness like other beings on earth but obstacles and hardships only makes us better........so instead of wasting your time here throwing insults to and fro find something you can do for your self and family..and your country for that matter,be creative and exploit the numerous opportunities God had blessed you with.
TOO MUCH HATRED FOR KENYANS IS HARMFUL TO YOUR HEALTH AND ECONOMY.

Moyo,

I found your email to be condescending, demeaning and offensive to say the least. I is this kind of mindsets that will impede EAC from achieving its goal. Similar to Tanzania, Kenya is among the poorest nation in the world with a GDP of $ 71.5 billions, based on CIA facts book, which is only $ 6 billions ahead of Tanzania. Based on those figures I don't understand where you got your bragging rights from. Thousands of Kenyans are dying every year because of famine and you have the audacity to say that y'all thrive in hard condition, this is plainly pathetic. Listen, whether you like it or not Tanzania will be a force to be reckoned with in the future, our country is so blessed and we have a strong foundation (no ukabila). We only have to do some reshuffle and we will be okay...

 

[Geza Ulole]

And what is our government doing about it? Kenyan were levied $200 and their government acted quiclky to resolve the issue, but how our government?

Have u ever been to the East African court's archives? Or u just yap! Take ur time to visit the court proceedings to see how many cases are against Kenya's protectionism to know what we mean here! Otherwise u r wasting ur time to contribute blindly without knowing the facts on the ground...!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Well, Bw. Rufiji, all I am trying to put across is that, something other than that radical stance to increase border fee to $200, would have been done. I think, sometimes If it were not for quick intervention from authorities from either side, such would have resulted in escalations of further mistrust that would ultimately go against the dreams of common market protocol. Now, you have to agree with me that such bitterness is a blockade, and we must as participants in this common protocol (if there is any) have a strong resolve just put away and rise above such bitterness. I think, it has severely exposed a lack of responsibility and diplomacy on either side i.e. (For Kenya and TZ local authorities).

Nah... $200 was an effective approach to a state that applies gorilla tactics since it did not take even an hour before everyone was aware of the row plus ur minister visit to solve the situation! Moreover it cautioned ur Govt on what r the consequences of doing things that r anti common market!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Mkuu, I don't think retaliation is the answer and it has never been. If fact, it is an embassment to retaliate even against your own laws. Reacting in such a way can potentially worsen the situation. When you strike back, are you ready to accept the black hat revenge?

Retaliation especially in international trade may increase risks to the one who retaliate. Even in the WTO system, retaliation for non-compliance is the last resort after all other means have failed. I am just wondering whether the retaliation to impose the $200, was the last resort after exhausting all other options.



Now, you tell me who are those individuals? I know it is painful when the people you branded as "fools" win their argument tena on common sense. Halafu kuna tofauti ya kuwa "aware of their outdated tactics" and to act upon them. Kama sisi tumelalama tuu bila ya ku address those tatics simply because we are aware with them, itatusaidia nini? May be the same "individuals" in our governmnet "have no idea of the jungle tatics" Kenyans use or as you have said they may be "aware of their tactics" but they don't bother to address them?



If land is not free in Tanzania, then why are we giving out to the Westerners? Sure, they have no land left, but we have plenty to the extent that we preparing to handle some to the Westerners to grow genetically modified foods for you to eat. The rest of the land we can't do nothing about it as we still seeking Westerners to come down and extract whaterver is there.

Sure, Kenya is the fourth exporter of tea, but we Tanzania are the third exporter of Gold in Africa. Now, compare and contrast between tea and gold and the benefits each country has received in their respective exports. Can't you even think that pamoja na kuwa na resources zote hizo kwa nini bado Kenya inatupiga bao? Kwa nini hata nchi ndogo kama Rwanda yenye ardhi na resources ndogo zaidi yetu inaelekea kukua kwa speed kubwa zaidi yetu? Labda kuwa na ardhi kubwa na rasilimali ndicho kinachotufanya tubweteke nazo to our own detriment?

It may be hard to get in job in Kenya but is it easy to get job in Tanzania, bearing mind that kati ya wanafunzi 100 waliofanya mitihani ya kidato cha nne mwaka jana, ni 9 tuu ndio walipata between division one and three? Do you think it is going to be easy for the 91 failed students to secure a job?

Mkuu acha kulalama. It won't get you anywhere. You said in another post that here we address issues with a critical eye, lakini ulichoandika hapo juu is very dissapointing. Yaani ni kama vile unawadhibitishia Wakenya how we Tanzania think and address issues. We like complaining all times and ku-address issues subjectively. Well, I will direct you to the very same article again: allAfrica.com: Tanzania: The Country Has Become a Nation of Complainers

Wewe usiwe unajibu just kuonyesha kwamba unajua kujibu try to get the rationale cum gist of my argument! I gave an example of the massive tea estates in Kenya to crush someone's argument that Kenya is all drought! If u know what it takes to grow tea then u can not agree the reality that they failed to grow maize but agreeing the issue was what was priority to them i.e. growing cash crops over food to eat! So for u to compare growing tea with mining u show ur misunderstanding of issues (from soil properties of the two industries i.e. tea and gold mining)! since where they r gold mines the climate is not that favorable for agriculture ( i am sure u hav no idea of this)! And last but not least gold mining activities have no significant effect as land use aspects of a place r concerned since they don't result into huge displacement on traditional landuses compared to tea estates! Ujaribu kulewa ninachoongea au utakuwa unajichoresha kwa kutojua the base of arguments!

 

[Munru]

serikali yetu ina endekeza dhiki, hata hayo mapato hayajulikani yanapokwenda,
serikali ovyoo kabisa,
WAKENYA MSILALAMIKE SANA...HATA BIA ZIMEPANDA HUKU

ok.. SWALI
KWANINI SERIKALI IMEFULIA WAKATI ILIPANGA BAJETI YA MATUMIZI YAKE???why matumizi yanakuwa makubwa kuliko mapato??
kimsingi, na blame serikali yetu

 

[Gama]

Kwa hiyo mnahalalisha kuwa wanalalamikia hiyo 200Usd fee (karasha) ni watanzania?, Karasha hawezi kuwa mtz, wakenya mnataka kufaidi resources za tz for free?!, mnatia kinyaa.

ndugu yangu, mkifunga mipaka yote na bandari, unadhani sie wakenya tutaumia. zile bidhaa zinazotoka Kenya kama chai, kahawa na pamba, paireto zote sio za kuuzwa kwenu. Mnaongozwa na feelings ndio maana hata hamwezi waonea watanzania wengine kama Karasha wafanye Biashara kwa amani. Ninyi na Uganda ideology zenu ni tofauti kama kaskazini ilivyo kutoka kusini. Uganda hawaelewi Kiswahili kwa hivyo unajaribu kujifurahisha rohoni. Nipe takwimu ikiwa msemo wako una ukweli. Uganda hawawezi kuenda Dar, maan the distance is not cost effective.

 

[Koba]

Glad wameondoa hiyo levy,kulikuwa hakuna haja ya kuleta patriotism kwa kitu kama hii maana levy kama hizi ndio mwanzo wa rushwa na ingeumiza wote hata watanzania wenyewe maana levy ilikuwa ni kwa magari yote crossing the border,hizi ant EAC na chuki kwa wakenya sijui zimetoka wapi kwa watanzania?naona hasira zenu za umaskini na hali ngumu ya maisha mnazielekeza pasipotakiwa,angalieni na fikirieni vizuri kwa nini mko maskini sana...hiyo EAC is for your own interest na itawasaidia wengi tuu kutoka kwenye umaskini mlio nao sasa.

 

[EMT]

Wewe usiwe unajibu just kuonyesha kwamba unajua kujibu try to get the rationale cum gist of my argument! I gave an example of the massive tea estates in Kenya to crush someone's argument that Kenya is all drought! If u know what it takes to grow tea then u can not agree the reality that they failed to grow maize but agreeing the issue was what was priority to them i.e. growing cash crops over food to eat! So for u to compare growing tea with mining u show ur misunderstanding of issues (from soil properties of the two industries i.e. tea and gold mining)! since where they r gold mines the climate is not that favorable for agriculture ( i am sure u hav no idea of this)! And last but not least gold mining activities have no significant effect as land use aspects of a place r concerned since they don't result into huge displacement on traditional landuses compared to tea estates! Ujaribu kulewa ninachoongea au utakuwa unajichoresha kwa kutojua the base of arguments!

Cannot get a rationale in your argument because there is no one. Zaidi unalalama tuu na kuwa too subjective. Sorry, I can't buy your personal hatred against the Kenyans.

 

[Kabaridi]

The problem with Tanzania and guys like Ulole who claim to have rationale in their arguments that seems putative to me, is like a case of the proverbial blind men trying to grasp a huge elephant, like a lot of blind-men feeling an elephant, some said the elephant was like a wall, while some grasping the tail said that the elephant was like a rope, etc. Nina amini kuwa the levels of education among people is different. Lakini, Tanzania munafaa muache kuchukua watu kutoka vijijini kuendesha ofisi senstive kama hiyo. Or else, it seems that nepotism is really an issue down there. Really, there is no rationale or anything like logic in guys who are supporting such a move in this thread arguments other than being militant without ideas. Then it really exposes weak arguments in those you call intelligent critics" Here Mr .Rufiji.

 

[EMT]

Lakini sisi Watanzania ni watu wa ajabu sana. Eti Mtanzania anayesihi Namanga na Longido kama anataka kwenda Kenya, itambidi kwanza aenda Arusha, zaidi ya kilomita 100, ili kupata temporary travel documents. Hii ni tofauti na Wakenya ambao wanaweza kupata travel documents hapo hapo Namanga.

Kusema kweli hii inawawia vigumu Watanzania wanaotaka kufanya biashara Kenya. Kwa nini waende mpaka Arusha mjini kupata travel documents? Even worse, sio kwamba ukienda Arusha kuomba travel documents, utazipata siku hiyo hiyo. The process is unnecessary too long na inaongeza gharama kwa wafanyabiasha. By the time unapata hiyo travel document unawezakuta na biashara imeshadoda.

Kwa staili hii kweli tutatajaria Watanzania wataweza ku-compete effectively na Wakenya kibiashara? I am glad Sitta has noticed this and ordered temporary travel documents to be issued at Namanga.

Pia inadaiwa wafanyabiashara wa Kitanzania kwenye mpaka wa Holili/Taveta wanalalamika kuzuiliwa kuuza mahindi Kenya simply because one Tanzania big company has been given the monopoly to transport maize to Kenya at the expense of small-scale traders. Utakuta hii ni kampuni ya mkubwa mmoja au mwenye kampuni ana connection na mkubwa. How ridiculous is this?

DailyNews Online Edition - Sitta orders passports to be issued at Namanga border

 

[Kabaridi]

Kwa hiyo mnahalalisha kuwa wanalalamikia hiyo 200Usd fee (karasha) ni watanzania?, Karasha hawezi kuwa mtz, wakenya mnataka kufaidi resources za tz for free?!, mnatia kinyaa.

Kuna Kitu nimejifundisha katika gazetti moja kuu hapo TZ, kwamba ili watu wa mipakani watake kutoka kuingia kenya, ni lazima waende Arusha kupata stakabadhi muhimu. Ilichukua gazetti la humu nchini kenya kufichua upumbavu huo ndio waziri akajitokeza. Resources zenyewe, hatuna njaa nazo tuko na Rwanda na Uganda na Burundi who are making great gains. kingine nimejifunza ni kwamba sarafu ya hapo na ya somalia zikokaribu kutoshana.

Hatuna njaa na vitu vyenu ambavyo hamna hata umiliki navyo. tunajaribu kuwashitua kwamba tanzania is a sleeping giant, lakini kama kulivyo DRC, kuna mamluki wamesimama na rasimali hizo. poleni.........

 

[Kabaridi]

Nah... $200 was an effective approach to a state that applies gorilla tactics since it did not take even an hour before everyone was aware of the row plus ur minister visit to solve the situation! Moreover it cautioned ur Govt on what r the consequences of doing things that r anti common market!

Since when can a local authority in Tanzania teach Kenya issues of governance? gorilla tactics zilitumika wakati wa vita vya kagera, not wakati wa kujenga trading bloc. About people quickly realizing there was a row, shows how the Kenyan media is effective in bringing news. I wish the same could be said about your media, pengine shida za hapo kwenu zingekuwa zimekwisha.

 

[Kabaridi]

serikali yetu ina endekeza dhiki, hata hayo mapato hayajulikani yanapokwenda,
serikali ovyoo kabisa,
WAKENYA MSILALAMIKE SANA...HATA BIA ZIMEPANDA HUKU

ok.. SWALI
KWANINI SERIKALI IMEFULIA WAKATI ILIPANGA BAJETI YA MATUMIZI YAKE???why matumizi yanakuwa makubwa kuliko mapato??
kimsingi, na blame serikali yetu

inaeza kuwa ni mapato yanatumika for useless projects kama ujenzi wa shopping mall cum ofisi za serikali in the uptown upperhill nairobi.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Cannot get a rationale in your argument because there is no one. Zaidi unalalama tuu na kuwa too subjective. Sorry, I can't buy your personal hatred against the Kenyans.

if u can't get the rationale of my argument then don't waste ur time to respond on them since ur knowledge might be limited! BTW i hate nobody...otherwise substantiate my hate towards Kenya!

 

[Geza Ulole]

The problem with Tanzania and guys like Ulole who claim to have rationale in their arguments that seems putative to me, is like a case of the proverbial blind men trying to grasp a huge elephant, like a lot of blind-men feeling an elephant, some said the elephant was like a wall, while some grasping the tail said that the elephant was like a rope, etc. Nina amini kuwa the levels of education among people is different. Lakini, Tanzania munafaa muache kuchukua watu kutoka vijijini kuendesha ofisi senstive kama hiyo. Or else, it seems that nepotism is really an issue down there. Really, there is no rationale or anything like logic in guys who are supporting such a move in this thread arguments other than being militant without ideas. Then it really exposes weak arguments in those you call intelligent critics" Here Mr .Rufiji.

I love this subiri December na utajua nephotism ipo wapi!

 

[EMT]

if u can't get the rationale of my argument then don't waste ur time to respond on them since ur knowledge might be limited! BTW i hate nobody...otherwise substantiate my hate towards Kenya!

Mabadaliko Tanzania hayawezi letwa na Nyang'au we nenda kawape sehemu ya kulala na mahindi IDPs au nenda ka-distribute maize huko Isiolo na usisahau ku-secure Migingo n ur Northern border kabla ya kuleta mabadiliko Tanzania! Arrogance yako ndo inayonifanya nikuite shenzytype! Unawezaje kufanya mabadiliko Tanzania wakati kwako kunakushinda! I will rather bring Kagame or Zenawi to fix things than calling a Nyang'au from an economy that struggles to reach 5% and having highest inflation in the region, screw u up...!

it is only a fool in Kenya will make noises on their government retaliating on Tanzania's introduction of US$ 200 per truck since once that border is closed,

Kutokana na hatred yako kwa Wakenya it is extremely difficult to see how you can be impartial and non-judgement in your arguments. You sound xenophobic to me with your unreasonable fear of the Kenyans. You're showing your fear of losing your identity to the Kenyans, suspicion of their activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate their presence to secure a presumed purity. This can be seen from your uncritical exaltation of them. Matokea yake, unaishia kuwa unreal, stereotyped and prejudicial.

 

[Kabaridi]

So the "fools" were right and you were wrong?

:lol:

it seems the "nyangaus" have won and taken the day again!!

 

[Bantugbro]

Kutokana na hatred yako kwa Wakenya it is extremely difficult to see how you can be impartial and non-judgement in your arguments. You sound xenophobic to me with your unreasonable fear of the Kenyans. You're showing your fear of losing your identity to the Kenyans, suspicion of their activities, aggression, and desire to eliminate their presence to secure a presumed purity. This can be seen from your uncritical exaltation of them. Matokea yake, unaishia kuwa unreal, stereotyped and prejudicial.

Wee EMT hivi unamhafamu vizuri Geza Ulole mpaka uanze kum-judge namna unavyo fanya?
Acha kutafuta sifa toka kwa wakenya hazitakusaidia mdogo wangu...Amka:A S-coffee:

 

[EMT]

Wee EMT hivi unamhafamu vizuri Geza Ulole mpaka uanze kum-judge namna unavyo fanya?
Acha kutafuta sifa toka kwa wakenya hazitakusaidia mdogo wangu...Amka:A S-coffee:

Natafute sifa kwa Wakenya kwani zitanisaidia nini? Mtu huwa anafahamika kutokana na posts zake anazoweka humu. Watu wameshikishwa humu kutokana na posts waliziweka huko nyuma. I don't need to know him personally. His posts here about Kenya speak volumes. Watu kama nyie ndio mtakiwa kuamka kutoka usingizini. Badala ya kulalama muda muda at least address matatizo yetu bila ya kuwalaumu watu wengine ambao hata hawahusiki.

Kwa mfani nimeuliza kwa nini Mtanzania anayesihi Namanga na Longido akitaka kwenda Kenya, inambidi kwanza aende Arusha, zaidi ya kilomita 100, kupata temporary travel documents wakati Wakenya wanaweza kupata travel documents hapo hapo Namanga? Kati ya hoja kama hizi na kuwaita Wakenya "Manyang'au" ipi unaona itakusaidia wewe kama Mtanzania? Yaani kumwita Mkenya "Nyang'au" itasaidia vipi kusuluhisha matatizo ya Watanzania kwa ujumla? Kwako kumwita Mkenya "Nyang'au" supported by irrational arguments ndio kuamka? Khaaa!!!!

Watanzania tuache ushambenga. Tuache kulalamikia watu wengine kutokana na matatizo yanayotukabili. Tujadili serious issues na sio hoja nyepesi nyepesi na gossips. Ukweli ni kwamba alituita sie "fools" and we still won the argument. You gotta have to wonder when the "fools" beat the ones regard themselves the best. Probably na wewe unahitaji kusoma hii article: allAfrica.com: Tanzania: The Country Has Become a Nation of Complainers

Halafu angalia na wewe unavyofanya assumptions kama yeye. Umejuaje mimi ni mdogo wako? Au ndio njia yako ya kujaribu ku-suppress arguments za watu kwa kuwaita wadogo zako?

 

[Bantugbro]

Natafute sifa kwa Wakenya kwani zitanisaidia nini? Mtu huwa anafahamika kutokana na posts zake anazoweka humu. Watu wameshikishwa humu kutokana na posts waliziweka huko nyuma. Watu kama nyie ndio mtakiwa kuamka kutoka usingizi. Badala ya kulalama muda muda at least address matatizo yetu bila ya kuwalaumu watu wengine ambao hata hawahusiki.

Kwa mfani nimeuliza kwa nini Mtanzania anayesihi Namanga na Longido akitaka kwenda Kenya, inambidi kwanza aende Arusha, zaidi ya kilomita 100, kupata temporary travel documents wakati Wakenya wanaweza kupata travel documents hapo hapo Namanga? Kati ya hoja kama hizi na kuwaita Wakenya "Manyang'au" ipi unaona itakusaidia wewe kama Mtanzania? Yaani kumwita Mkenya "Nyang'au" itasaidia vipi kusuluhisha matatizo ya Watanzania kwa ujumla? Kwako kumwita Mkenya "Nyang'au" supported by irrational arguments ndio kuamka? Khaaa!!!!

Watanzania tuache ushambenga. Tuache kulalamikia watu wengine kutokana na matatizo yanayotukabili. Tujadili serious issues na sio hoja nyepesi nyepesi na gossips. Probably na wewe unahitaji kusoma hii article: allAfrica.com: Tanzania: The Country Has Become a Nation of Complainers

Acha jazba kama ni hiyo ya nchi ya walalamikaji ya Prof. Hirji ni mimi ndio nilikuwa mtu wa kwanza kuiposti humu ndani (JF), lakini haihusiani na haya mambo ya kuwalea waKenya kama unavyojaribu kufanya....Posti zako ni za mtu anayepotea bila kupenda kwa sababu tu ya kutaka kujifanya, au kushindana, au ujuaji sana zaidi ya waTanzania wenzake, sisi si mazuzu mkuu...:A S-coffee:

Watu wa jamii yenu mmekuwa mkijichukilia advantage ya hulka ya waTanzania ya kutopenda sifa na kujipendekeza au kudharau wengine na kufanya kama ndio udhaifu wetu....:A S-coffee: