Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy

Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy

In International Trade we call that 'concession which are non concessions', one offers opportunity which is not there, so that you reciprocate with an offer which is real and hurts your economy. Yes, you do it together with Rwanda, but again there is notrhing in your countries. No good land, barren land, no minerals, no what, no what..no nothing. If it was good over there, why you resenting, why deserting your countries to TZ. We clever yo!

Could you ascertain that the minerals in Your country is even contributing anything to the GDP, other than being a cash cow for those who are politically connetced
 
kwani za Kenya nani anakula au kasumba yako ya kipuuzi hapa unakufanya uropoke? chunguza mambo kwanza ujue undani wake unajua Kenya wana migodi pia! hebu uliza the strategic earth metals zao nani wanamiliki au titanium deposits zao nani wanamiliki au their gold deposits (though small) nani anamiliki!? Pia uliza flower and tea industry yao nani wanamiliki Kenya! Ukiacha ardhi yao! Nakushauri auche short-sightedness yako kama hujui jinsi back-stabbing inayoendelea kwenye hii EA block! Wewe kama Mtanzania ukitaka kumiliki mgodi Kenya utakutana na hurddles the same way Wakenya wanakutana nazo TZ though in TZ at a lower level! tatizo la hawa jamaa ni Wanafki na wanatumia media zao ku-victimize competitors! Kenya as a country haina muscles to invest in the larger EA block ila wanachofanya ni ku-act kama an argency of foreign companies while trying to invest in the wider EA block! we angalia makampuni mengi wnayosema ni ya kenya majority shareholders wao ni Britain/EU companies na in really sense this companies are just expanding and since incorporated in Kenya they look Kenyan! the likes of Haco Tiger brands, Unilever, KQ, EABL, Equity bank and even KBC look at their shareholding breakdown utakuta over 50% ya owners ni foreign equity funds au companies! I would rather be proud of a company like Bakhresa Group or Mac Group or Sumaria Group or Precision Air or Exim Bank or CRDB Bank or NMB Bank if expands since the shareholding break down show majority remains to be locals!

Typical Tanzanian argument. Using others wrongs to justify our wrongs. Subjectivity, hypocrisy na kalalama kwa sana. Aliyeandika hii artcle hakukosea: allAfrica.com: Tanzania: The Country Has Become a Nation of Complainers
 
SIR: What is Tanzania's biggest problem? This is the question my son asked me on a beautiful morning, September 27 , 2009 after breakfast in Springfield, PA. He promptly followed this question with another, even before I answered the first. "Well dad, if you were the Tanzanian president what would you do?"


This line of questioning, discussion, debates, a huge arguments on
politics, race, history, education, religion - you name it, we battle
over it - is commonplace in our home. But for whatever reason, instead
of launching into the usual diatribe of possible flawed but well
meaning reasoning, I actually paused for thought. My mind wandered, as
I recollected the many discussions I had with countless Tanzanians at
home in Tanzania and in far away places in divergent circumstances
and settings about what ails Tanzania.


In the opinions of most Tanzanians I have encountered, the issues the
country faces are those of Minerals , corruption, religion, ethnicity,
infrastructure, poverty, hunger, disease, brain drain, civil
liberties, etc. so with very broad strokes I pigeonholed all the
people I have had discussions with into three groups. Group one the
naysayers. They've lost faith and believe the problems are so
entrenched in the national psyche that the country is without hope.
Group two - the optimists. This set of folks believe the country is on
the upswing. They quickly point out their successful family members
and friends. The proliferation of cell phones. the Dar es salaam stock
exchange, expensive cars on the streets, expensive foreign imports, or
sprawling mansions owned by the few. And the final group - the
opportunists. This is the set that doesn't really care whether the
country moves forward or backwards, but is more interested in gaining
a piece of the giant pie of ill gotten wealth.


The reality is that most of the problems that Tanzania and other
African nations experience plague other developing nations too. We can
look at history and point to colonialism tyrannical rule by
dictatorships, mass exploitation, and corruption. But the original
question that got me reminiscing is Tanzania's biggest problem.


In my opinion Tanzania's biggest problem is the mind-set of the
average Tanzanian. For there to be real change, people have to want
change and a re-education of sorts. Expectations have to be realistic.
Tanzania's yearly income is less than that of two major cities in the U.S. with
20 per cent of Tanzania's population, yet most cry foul for not
receiving their piece of the black gold.


As Tanzanians, we all need an attitude readjustment. Although,
materialism is deeply interwoven in the national fabric. It is indeed
possible to break away from the various cycle of trying to acquire
wealth at all costs. As a youngster, I marveled at people, who would
borrow money to have block parties to celebrate one event or another.
I also shook my head in disbelief at people who drove expensive cars
but lived in a single room with 10 people. It is actually funny to see
owners of fancy cars navigate their way through endless potholes and
bad roads. I was even more amazed to see people vie for government
contracts, receive payments and not perform any part of the contract.


There is no doubt in my mind that Tanzanians are a hardworking,
industrious people, so given the right mind-set and focus they can
overcome their economic, political and social issues. With the right
attitude the naysayers can again have faith, the optimists can be even
more optimistic and the opportunists will have the occasion to work

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SIR: What is Tanzania's biggest problem? This is the question my son asked me on a beautiful morning, September 27 , 2009 after breakfast in Springfield, PA. He promptly followed this question with another, even before I answered the first. "Well dad, if you were the Tanzanian president what would you do?"


This line of questioning, discussion, debates, a huge arguments on
politics, race, history, education, religion - you name it, we battle
over it - is commonplace in our home. But for whatever reason, instead
of launching into the usual diatribe of possible flawed but well
meaning reasoning, I actually paused for thought. My mind wandered, as
I recollected the many discussions I had with countless Tanzanians at
home in Tanzania and in far away places in divergent circumstances
and settings about what ails Tanzania.


In the opinions of most Tanzanians I have encountered, the issues the
country faces are those of Minerals , corruption, religion, ethnicity,
infrastructure, poverty, hunger, disease, brain drain, civil
liberties, etc. so with very broad strokes I pigeonholed all the
people I have had discussions with into three groups. Group one the
naysayers. They've lost faith and believe the problems are so
entrenched in the national psyche that the country is without hope.
Group two - the optimists. This set of folks believe the country is on
the upswing. They quickly point out their successful family members
and friends. The proliferation of cell phones. the Dar es salaam stock
exchange, expensive cars on the streets, expensive foreign imports, or
sprawling mansions owned by the few. And the final group - the
opportunists. This is the set that doesn't really care whether the
country moves forward or backwards, but is more interested in gaining
a piece of the giant pie of ill gotten wealth.


The reality is that most of the problems that Tanzania and other
African nations experience plague other developing nations too. We can
look at history and point to colonialism tyrannical rule by
dictatorships, mass exploitation, and corruption. But the original
question that got me reminiscing is Tanzania's biggest problem.


In my opinion Tanzania's biggest problem is the mind-set of the
average Tanzanian. For there to be real change, people have to want
change and a re-education of sorts. Expectations have to be realistic.
Tanzania's yearly income is less than that of two major cities in the U.S. with
20 per cent of Tanzania's population, yet most cry foul for not
receiving their piece of the black gold.


As Tanzanians, we all need an attitude readjustment. Although,
materialism is deeply interwoven in the national fabric. It is indeed
possible to break away from the various cycle of trying to acquire
wealth at all costs. As a youngster, I marveled at people, who would
borrow money to have block parties to celebrate one event or another.
I also shook my head in disbelief at people who drove expensive cars
but lived in a single room with 10 people. It is actually funny to see
owners of fancy cars navigate their way through endless potholes and
bad roads. I was even more amazed to see people vie for government
contracts, receive payments and not perform any part of the contract.


There is no doubt in my mind that Tanzanians are a hardworking,
industrious people, so given the right mind-set and focus they can
overcome their economic, political and social issues. With the right
attitude the naysayers can again have faith, the optimists can be even
more optimistic and the opportunists will have the occasion to work


Signs of a looser who can't argue constructively and resorts into posting some stuffs from Wanabidii! There are plenty of such posts on Kenya including the one that says Kenya is a failed state! Go and sleep boy!

 
Labda kabla ya kuandika (neno baya, ban) ungejiuliza kama intergration and competition are antagonistic or not?
Kwanini iwe bei rahisi kutumia bandari ya Mombasa? Ilhali operation costs za Mombasa ni kubwa kuliko za Dar?.... hata Jomo Kenyatta operation costs zake ni kubwa kuliko Dar, hata tukiamua kupunguza operation costs zetu, bado profitability inakuwa hugely affected, inakkuwa kazi ku-control security na movement of illegal goods through our ports..

Mkuu, ijue serikali unayoiongelea, what they do is sabotage nearby econmies by violating many, many international laws. They are brothers to South Sudan, but they are one of Bashir's major trading partners, ask about their beef with Kabila, Museveni (that now they claim to be their friend ,but he just sign a pact with tz to use Tanga port).Ask why Botswana is regretting entering a manpower contract with these fools.... ask urself before yapping!!
You are so used to being against your government to a point that you make most of us here wanna puke!!.. shame on you shallow man! go back and hit the books/journals.
oh yeah!.. on that note I would still loove to say " Blank Kenya!"

Most of all I can say we are unfortunate in Kenya because we are always put under tight suspicion there, But if you look at the bigger picture, rapid industrialization and an influx of foreign trade industry players is sweeping the East African region. Business principles are the same worldwide. Whatever a Kenyan investor may plan to do, will always be similar to any other foreign investor from around the globe. Healthy competition in business requires an open mind. The investors meet similar challenges on the ground. What will set the challenges I assume across EA is paperwork that makes many local investors fail to meet the criteria required to start business. So, this creates a contrast that local markets are dominated by foreigners who may have the means to work around the required permits, legal fees, and hurdles. So the conclusion is, the governments have failed to ensure business people can sustain themselves locally.

We can only sustain and maintain the consistency and performance of African economies if we can shift from agricultural based economies and try to integrate several other mechanisms to facilitate more growth. When you talk of surbotage, where is that data or That is not legitimate data.
 
Kama mna uhakika kuwa tukifunga mipaka hamtaumia kwanini mnalialia tunapowapandishia ushuru? Halafu nani kasema karasha ni mtanzania? au wee ndo unaongea kwa hisia! Lakini hata kama ni mtanzania bado watanzania ni fraction ndogo mno kulinganisha na wakenya wanaohangaika kuingia Tz, hivyo kwetu sie hiyo movement ya watu kati ya TZ na kenya haitulipi kama na nyie mlivyoona haiwalipi miaka ile ya 1977. Kwasasa flow ya waTZ kwenda nchi za SADC ni kubwa mno kulinganisha na nchi za EAC hasa kenya na hata hao wachache wanaoenda kenya wengi wao ni waganga wa kienyeji na wale wanafunzi waliofeli na kushindwa kuendelea kimasomo TZ hivyo wanatafuta pa kutokea ndo maana wengi huwakuti ktk public universities kama Nairobi, kenyatta, moi n.k bali unawakuta kwenye vyuo kama USIU ambako pesa ni kama tai. Kwa upande wa wafanya biashara ni wachache mno, jaribu kutafiti ktk malawi miji ya chitipa, karonga, mzuzu, lilongwe na blantyre halafu nenda ktk miji ya zambia; kuanzia nakonde mpaka Lusaka utaona jinsi kulivyo na watanzania wengi. ukifanya utafita utagundua ni kwanini TZ haiwezi kuiacha SADC na jinsi ilivyo rahisi kwa TZ kuidamp EAC. Halafu hoja yako ya kiswahili ni dhaifu sana, kwa maelezo yako unamaanisha Uganda tuko mbali nao kwasababu wanatumia zaidi kiingereza na hawajui kiswahili. Ukweli ni kuwa kenya iko mbali zaidi na TZ kiitikadi kuliko ilivyo kwa uganda na TZ japo kenya mnajitahidi kuongea kiswahili cha kuungaunga, na kuonesha kuwa lugha sio ishu ndo maana Zambia na Msumbiji ndo nchi zilizokaribu mno na TZ kiitikadi kuliko nchi yoyote ya EAC lakini Zambia kiingereza tupu na Msumbiji kireno tupu.
Mie kwa ushauri wangu kama tunataka kuwe EAC yenye nguvu na hatimaye shirikisho ni lazima kwanza tuanza kujenga mahusiano mazuri kati ya kenya na Tanzania halafu ndio baadae tuanze kufikiria kushirikiana kiuchumi. Lakini kwa jinsi historia kati ya TZ na kenya ilivyokwenda haiwezekani kabisa Tanzania ikaitrust kenya labda kama itatokea Tanzania ikashikwa na wafanyabiashara wanaotegemea sana soko la EAC.

Bwana kibona umeongea kitu cha msingi. Lazima Wakenya na Watanzania tujenge tabia ya kuaminiana na kuheshimiana. Tabia ya kutukana, kumdharau mtu, kusema Kenya au Tanzania haimtaji fulani ni kutoona mbali. Kiufupi tunategemeana na tutazidi kutegemeana sana siku za usoni.
 
But mzalendo number what sijui, mbona unatumia effort kubwa sana kwenye masuala ya TZ na Kenya. at times you have a balanced analysis, lakini mbona unatumia nguvu ya ziada.?? Nikiunganisha posts, it is a whole book, almost!
 
Mr Straddler,

Those who are making the most noise about the fee increment and know how to howl and trade insults could be have never walked out of their borders. but it seems this whole issue is politicized and not careful to take care of people who who use the border frequently. This is the problem with African authorities. there can never be a distinction between straight policies and politics, both seem to be intertwined which should be a thing of the past and the current generation of leaders must be able to separate this two.

I fully agree. Everybody should once in a while, walk outside their borders. The corrupt officials make it cheap, and prompt innocent citizens to break a law or two without getting caught (once you dish out "kitu kidogo", you are fully protected).

Say, Kenya is the only country where I feel free and comfortable mingling with the local population without feeling like an outsider (especially Mombasa. In Nairobi there is too much of "Luhya and Kikuyu business. You need to chose - you cant have it both ways!)
 
But mzalendo number what sijui, mbona unatumia effort kubwa sana kwenye masuala ya TZ na Kenya. at times you have a balanced analysis, lakini mbona unatumia nguvu ya ziada.?? Nikiunganisha posts, it is a whole book, almost!

Such books I write for you militants. masuala ya Tz na kenya si za kuongelewa katika vikao vya vijijini, unless there is something you are hiding.
 
I just hate when people bring nationalism everytime there is a small issue.

They do not even stop to think what the implicatins will be. I am shocked by the amount of hatred felt by both tanzanians and kenyans towards each other. Was in mombasa and for every ten cars one car in tanzanian. sisi ni ndugu when iam in Mombasa it like I am in tanga and we have to find a way to work out our problems.

Now on the issue of the boarder no one is a winner if the boarders are closed. Tanzania will come around and maybe reduce the fee.
 
Unashangilia kufungwa border? Why?
Read what the Kenyans brother are saying. Is there a logic?
Hizo trucks zinakuja TZ na mizigo ya TZ.
It is easy for Arusha and Kilimanjaro people to use Mombasa. So wanaoumia ni wafanya biashara wa TZ na sio wa Kenya.

Anyway, Kenya should charge the same on their side.

As for tour operators, tuwaachie TANAPA kazi ya kuwatoza, they are already managing the fees well.

Kile nadhani kitafanyika hapo mpakani, ni wataweka a waiver of sorts to local businessmen, lakini naona hiyo ni kupunguza uwezekano au limiting one's self not forgetiing suala la rushwa kuendelea kushamiri.
 
kwani za Kenya nani anakula au kasumba yako ya kipuuzi hapa unakufanya uropoke? chunguza mambo kwanza ujue undani wake unajua Kenya wana migodi pia! hebu uliza the strategic earth metals zao nani wanamiliki au titanium deposits zao nani wanamiliki au their gold deposits (though small) nani anamiliki!? Pia uliza flower and tea industry yao nani wanamiliki Kenya! Ukiacha ardhi yao! Nakushauri auche short-sightedness yako kama hujui jinsi back-stabbing inayoendelea kwenye hii EA block! Wewe kama Mtanzania ukitaka kumiliki mgodi Kenya utakutana na hurddles the same way Wakenya wanakutana nazo TZ though in TZ at a lower level! tatizo la hawa jamaa ni Wanafki na wanatumia media zao ku-victimize competitors! Kenya as a country haina muscles to invest in the larger EA block ila wanachofanya ni ku-act kama an argency of foreign companies while trying to invest in the wider EA block! we angalia makampuni mengi wnayosema ni ya kenya majority shareholders wao ni Britain/EU companies na in really sense this companies are just expanding and since incorporated in Kenya they look Kenyan! the likes of Haco Tiger brands, Unilever, KQ, EABL, Equity bank and even KBC look at their shareholding breakdown utakuta over 50% ya owners ni foreign equity funds au companies! I would rather be proud of a company like Bakhresa Group or Mac Group or Sumaria Group or Precision Air or Exim Bank or CRDB Bank or NMB Bank if expands since the shareholding break down show majority remains to be locals!

Ni nini inakupa hiyo dhana, when tanzania is investing in the SADDC areas, does it mean that the EAC bloc Uganda Rwanda and the rest of the members wako na finacial muscle kuliko Kenya, au it is your wishful thinking. Your post is limited to what you know. Is this the financial muscle for TZ in SADDC you are talking about?. Kwasababu TZ Malawi na DRC are the worst perfomers huko. In essence Tanzania wraps up the bottom three in SADC. If you claim to be the second best economy in East African Bloc. why scamper to SADDC. Offcourse, do not forget that you can relate GNI with a country's PP because that is a country's coffer.


SADC's average level of per capita income, as measured by Gross National Income (GNI), is very low and has been declining in most countries over the last three decades. In the year 2002, SADC average GNI per capita stood at USD 1,563. Seychelles, a SADC country with approximately only 82,000 inhabitants, has the highest GNI per capita at US $6,530. Other high-income countries in the region include Mauritius (US $3,830), Botswana (US $3,100) and South Africa (US $2,820). The low per capita income countries in the SADC region, with income levels below USD $500, are DRC (US $80), Malawi US $160), Mozambique (US 210), Tanzania (US $270), Zambia (US $320), and Zimbabwe (US $480).

from now on I think tunafaa tuongelee tangible facts, not cooked data or wishful thinking!! fuata mkondo moja katika hoja zako, unajaribu kuwasilisha too many ideas in a short space, which is impossible.
 
mzalendo..whatever the scenario, no kenyan aka nyang'au will ever be allowed to patronize anything on TZ... you need to shut up and listen while we decide what to do about the largest country in the bloc..and forget about wealth, kenyans are equally in deep shi.t for majority of you are languishing in abject poverty! even deserting the country in droves! and one of the destinations being TZ!
 
Latest news is that levy has been abolished/suspended. Everybody as you were!
 
Ni nini inakupa hiyo dhana, when tanzania is investing in the SADDC areas, does it mean that the EAC bloc Uganda Rwanda and the rest of the members wako na finacial muscle kuliko Kenya, au it is your wishful thinking. Your post is limited to what you know. Is this the financial muscle for TZ in SADDC you are talking about?. Kwasababu TZ Malawi na DRC are the worst perfomers huko. In essence Tanzania wraps up the bottom three in SADC. If you claim to be the second best economy in East African Bloc. why scamper to SADDC. Offcourse, do not forget that you can relate GNI with a country's PP because that is a country's coffer.


SADC's average level of per capita income, as measured by Gross National Income (GNI), is very low and has been declining in most countries over the last three decades. In the year 2002, SADC average GNI per capita stood at USD 1,563. Seychelles, a SADC country with approximately only 82,000 inhabitants, has the highest GNI per capita at US $6,530. Other high-income countries in the region include Mauritius (US $3,830), Botswana (US $3,100) and South Africa (US $2,820). The low per capita income countries in the SADC region, with income levels below USD $500, are DRC (US $80), Malawi US $160), Mozambique (US 210), Tanzania (US $270), Zambia (US $320), and Zimbabwe (US $480).

from now on I think tunafaa tuongelee tangible facts, not cooked data or wishful thinking!! fuata mkondo moja katika hoja zako, unajaribu kuwasilisha too many ideas in a short space, which is impossible.

si SADDC bali ni SADC! Tanzania GDP per capita ni US$ 1500! U r not scoring points by demeaning the figure u just demonstrate ur foolishness since u can't even use credible sources!
 
mzalendo..whatever the scenario, no kenyan aka nyang'au will ever be allowed to patronize anything on TZ... you need to shut up and listen while we decide what to do about the largest country in the bloc..and forget about wealth, kenyans are equally in deep shi.t for majority of you are languishing in abject poverty! even deserting the country in droves! and one of the destinations being TZ!


Let us remain logical and relevant as per the above topic. In order to attain the Tanzanian Development Vision 2025 (TDV 2025), which entails eradicating absolute and idiosyncratic poverty by 2025, the National Strategy for Growth and Reduction of Poverty (2005-2010) (MKUKUTA I) sees governance as a key ingredient for poverty alleviation. However, many cases have arisen regarding decisions on and implementation of economic and social development activities being inefficient, associated with bribery, not transparent and inequitable.

There are biases in the provision of education, health and water services; bribery in the construction of classrooms and the allocation and transfer of teachers; limited access to justice for women and poorer community members; lack of transparency of expenditure of community money and allocation of materials (including medicines) in the education, health and water sectors in some areas; limited participation in decision making as many community members do not attend meetings at which decisions are made; and late completion of construction works and distribution of agricultural inputs. These problems all exacerbate poverty.
 
si SADDC bali ni SADC! Tanzania GDP per capita ni US$ 1500! U r not scoring points by demeaning the figure u just demonstrate ur foolishness since u can't even use credible sources!

SADC's average level of per capita income, as measured by Gross National Income (GNI), is very low and has been declining in most countries over the last three decades. In the year 2002, SADC average GNI per capita stood at USD 1,563. Seychelles, a SADC country with approximately only 82,000 inhabitants, has the highest GNI per capita at US $6,530. Other high-income countries in the region include Mauritius (US $3,830), Botswana (US $3,100) and South Africa (US $2,820). The low per capita income countries in the SADC region, with income levels below USD $500, are DRC (US $80), Malawi US $160), Mozambique (US 210),
Tanzania (US $270), Zambia (US $320), and Zimbabwe (US $480).

Source:SADC - Southern African Development Community - Towards a common future
 
Kenya: 600,000 Nationals Went to Tanzania Last Year

MORE than 600, 000 Kenyans crossed over into Tanzania last year alone, East African Community minister Samuel Sitta said yesterday. Sitta said he expects the figures to go up following a simplified documentation process of temporary passes for those intending to visit the country. He said Kenyans crossing to Tanzania can now acquire temporary passes which can be easily issued out at Namanga border post at a cost of Ksh300 against the production of two passport-size photographs of the applicants.

The minister said Kenyans wishing for visit Tanzania ought to have received yellow fever jabs at least two weeks before travel date. He added that those wishing to sell their goods in his country will need to acquire a certificate of origin of the products to receive preferential duty entry into the Tanzanian market.

The certificate of origin is issued by the customs department of the Kenya Revenue Authority. Sitta said his government and that of Kenya have organized a public baraza on Wednesday this week at Namanga Primary School, Tanzania to sensitize the people of the two countries on issues that entails the fostering of the East African Community.

Key guests during the rally will include, Kenya's EAC Minister Musa Sirma, his Tanzania's counterpart Sitta, Asst. Minister (Defence) Josepha Nkaisserry, Tanzania's Permanent Secretary (EAC-TZ) Dr. Stergomena Tax and other senior officials from the Ministry of Lands, Finance and EAC ministry (Kenya).

This is a second visit to Namanga for Sirma in less than a week. Over the weekend, the minister had toured the border post to assess the area where U$13 million One Stop Border Post will be constructed. The Wednesday morning rally in Tanzania will invite journalists from both countries to cover the event.

allAfrica.com: Kenya: 600,000 Nationals Went to Tanzania Last Year
 
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