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Contradictions in the Qur'an

Muslim deny that any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do exist and this article shows many of them. Muhammad was a false prophet.
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Contradictions in the Qur'an
by Matt Slick
The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.
A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.
All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.
  1. What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
    1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
    2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
    3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
    4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
    5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
  2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
    1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
    2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
    3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
    4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
  3. The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?
    1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
    2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
    3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
  4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
    1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116
    2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
  5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
    1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
    2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
    3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
    4. When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
  6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
    1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
    2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
  7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
    1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
    2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell forever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
    3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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Kiranga,
Nimecheka.
Qur'an imeandikwa kwa lugha ya Kiarabu na ili uweze kufanya tafsiri ni lazima
uijue lugha hiyo vizuri vinginenevyo ndiyo hayo.

Mimi nitakupa mfano mmoja tu wala sina haja kukujibu yote hayo.
Nakupa mfano huu wa Kiswahili.

Mtu anamweleza mwingine anasema, ''Huyu si mtu.''

Tafsiri yake kama wewe si msemaji wa Kiswahili kama lugha yako maana yake si binadamu labda ni kiumbe kingine.

Lakini maana yake huyu ni mtu mbaya.

Mzungu anaivamia Qur'an kutafuta makosa anajikwaa yeye na kuwa kichekesho.

Huwezi kukitoa makosa kitu ambacho hukijui.
 
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Mohamed Said said:
Ng'wanapagi,
Katika hili la Ataturk na kutozikwa ardhini inataka mtu kwanza umjue Ataturk alikuwa nani na alifanya nini.

Inaweza kutia shaka kubwa na kufanya mtu akataabika sana kuamini kuwa wachimba kaburi wanapiga sururu ardhini na sururu linashindwa kuchimba.

Kuwa Ataturk alifanya kufuru Muislam yeyote hili halimpi shida kuamini.

Asiyekuwa Muislam na ndivyo wanavyosema Ataturk kaitoa Uturuki gizani kwa kuvunja Ukhalifa.

Hapa litakuja swali kuwa kwani nchi zote za Waislam ambazo leo zina maendeleo makubwa zimefanikiwa kwa kuukana Uislam?

Sasa tuje kwenye suala la Ataturk kuwa hakuzikwa ardhini.

Kweli hakuzikwa ardhini hadi leo yuko ndani ya jengo juu ya mgongo wa ardhi.

Waislam huzikwa na hii ndiyo sheria inavyotaka hata Mtume Muhammad SAW juu ya utukufu wake amezikwa iweje Mustafa Kamal asizikwe kwa ubora gani aliokuwanao kumshinda Mtume SAW?

Ndipo Waislam wanaposema kuwa ardhi imemkataa kwa ajili ya kibri chake.

Kuelewa hili inataka kwanza umuamini Allah Mungu mmoja asiye na mshirika.

Vinginevyo watu mtabishana na kutupiana kejeli nyingi.
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Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Nimecheka.
Qur'an imeandikwa kwa lugha ya Kiarabu na ili uweze kufanya tafsiri ni lazima
uijue lugha hiyo vizuri vinginenevyo ndiyo hayo.

Mimi nitakupa mfano mmoja tu wala sina haja kukujibu yote hayo.
Nakupa mfano huu wa Kiswahili.

Mtu anamweleza mwingine anasema, ''Huyu si mtu.''

Tafsiri yake kama wewe si msemaji wa Kiswahili kama lugha yako maana yake si binadamu labda ni kiumbe kingine.

Lakini maana yake huyu ni mtu mbaya.

Mzungu anaivamia Qur'an kutafuta makosa anajikwaa yeye na kuwa kichekesho.

Huwezi kukitoa makosa kitu ambacho hukijui.
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Ukiona kitabu kinasema ni kitabu cha Mungu, mpaka hapo stuka kwamba unapigwa changa la macho.

Mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote angekuwepo, asingehitaji kitabu kujitambulisha.

Angeweka kila kitu kwenye DNA ili kila mtu amje. Kwa nini aweke habari zake kwenye kitabu wakati watu wengine hawajui kusoma?

Kwa nini aweke habari zake kwenye kitabu cha Kiarabu wakati wengine wanajua Kimakonde tu?

Huyo Mungu gani anapendelea Waarabu na kubagua Wmakonde?

Hivi nyie Waafrika mnaojiita wasomi bado mmeshikwa katika huu ukoloni wa kidini?

Hamuoni habari za kumsoma Mungu katika Kiarabu na kuelekea Mecca kuswali ni ukoloni wa kiutamaduni na kidini tu?
 
Story nzuri ya kufikirika; nina hakika hi kitu imetungwa. Wafia dini (Sorry sio Mungu, nimesema wafia dini) wanazo story nyingi sana za kutunga na kuuhamasisha ulimwengu kwamba huo utunzi wao ni wa kweli. Mfano mmoja wapo ni hu, Nyerere alizuia waislamu wengi wasisome, halafu hua hawataki ijulikane kwamba ni Nyerere huyo huyo aliyenyang'anya shule za dini yake ili ziwe za serikali na tusio wa dini yake pia tusome; hilo hua hawataki kabisa lijadiriwe.
 
Kiranga said:
Ukiona kitabu kinasema ni kitabu cha Mungu, mpaka hapo stuka kwamba unapigwa changa la macho.

Mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote angekuwepo, asingehitaji kitabu kujitambulisha.

Angeweka kila kitu kwenye DNA ili kila mtu amje. Kwa nini aweke habari zake kwenye kitabu wakati watu wengine hawajui kusoma?

Kwa nini aweke habari zake kwenye kitabu cha Kiarabu wakati wengine wanajua Kimakonde tu?

Huyo Mungu gani anapendelea Waarabu na kubagua Wmakonde?

Hivi nyie Waafrika mnaojiita wasomi bado mmeshikwa katika huu ukoloni wa kidini?

Hamuoni habari za kumsoma Mungu katika Kiarabu na kuelekea Mecca kuswali ni ukoloni wa kiutamaduni na kidini tu?
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Kiranga,
Una haki ya kuamini utakacho muhimu ni ujizuie kutukana dini za wengine.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Una haki ya kuamini utakacho muhimu ni ujizuie kutukana dini za wengine.
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Siongelei imani, naongelea fact, ambazo hujazijibu.

Wanaoelewa imani ni nini, wamekaa kimya na hawawezi kujadiliana JF.

Na mimi kusema Quran imeandika uongo, katika mjadala ulioanzishwa na wengine, katika forum yenye kaulimbiu ya "Where We Dare To Talk Openly" si kutukana dini.

Mimi ningeitukana dini ya Uislamu kama ningekaa kimya na kufikiri "Waislamu ni wajinga, hawawezi kutetea dini yao".

Lakini, sikuitukana dini hii hivyo.

Nimeiweka kama dini ya watu wanaoweza kuitetea kwa hoja.

Sasa wewe ukitaka nisiseme ukweli wangu ninaouona, kwa kuniambia ukweli huo ni kuitukana dini yako, bila hata kujibu hoja, hapo utakuwa umejitukana mwenyewe na kunitukana mimi.

Umenitukana mimi kwa sababu umesema hoja zangu nilizozitoa kwa fact ni matusi.

Umejitukana mwenyewe kwa kusema hivyo kijumla bila kuweza kupinga hoja zangu.
 
Mazindu Msambule said:
Story nzuri ya kufikirika; nina hakika hi kitu imetungwa. Wafia dini (Sorry sio Mungu, nimesema wafia dini) wanazo story nyingi sana za kutunga na kuuhamasisha ulimwengu kwamba huo utunzi wao ni wa kweli. Mfano mmoja wapo ni hu, Nyerere alizuia waislamu wengi wasisome, halafu hua hawataki ijulikane kwamba ni Nyerere huyo huyo aliyenyang'anya shule za dini yake ili ziwe za serikali na tusio wa dini yake pia tusome; hilo hua hawataki kabisa lijadiriwe.
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Mazindu,
Mimi nataka tujadili na nakuwekea hapa bandiko tuanze mjadala:

''...lakini tuende kielimu. Ninayo ripoti ya mwaka huu. Waliofanya mtihani wa darasa la saba kuingia darasa la tisa, asilimia 71 Waislamu. Asilimia 29 ni wengine. Walioshinda katika wale asilimia 71 ni asilimia 21. Katika wale 29 walioshinda tena sema mwenyewe. Katika asilimia 29 waliokwenda shuleni ni asilimia 79. Katika asilimia 71 waliokwenda darasa la tisa ni asilimia 21.

Sasa kuna moja, ama Waislamu wajinga ama akili yao haifanyi kazi, ama mtu ukiwa Muislamu wewe huna kitu, ama kuna kitu. Sasa namwomba Waziri anayehusika, anaposema aseme ya kwamba kwa hali ilivyo Waislamu wameumbwa wajinga. Au kwa hali ilivyo kuna sababu kadha, kadha. Mwalimu Nyerere alisema zamani ifanywe bidii ya kuwanyanyua waliokuwa chini. Sasa bidii hii siyo ya kuwanyanyua waliokuwa chini. Bidii hii ni ya kuwakandamiza waliokuwa chini...''
(Hotuba ya Mh. Kitwana Kondo Bungeni 1999).

Mazindu,
Shule kweli zimetaifishwa lakini hali ndiyo hiyo hapo juu.
 
Kiranga said:
Siongelei imani, naongelea fact, ambazo hujazijibu.

Wanaoelewa imani ni nini, wamekaa kimya na hawawezi kujadiliana JF.

Na mimi kusema Quran imeandika uongo, katika mjadala ulioanzishwa na wengine, katika forum yenye kaulimbiu ya "Where We Dare To Talk Openly" si kutukana dini.

Mimi ningeitukana dini ya Uislamu kama ningekaa kimya na kufikiri "Waislamu ni wajinga, hawawezi kutetea dini yao".

Lakini, sikuitukana dini hii hivyo.

Nimeiweka kama dini ya watu wanaoweza kuitetea kwa hoja.

Sasa wewe ukitaka nisiseme ukweli wangu ninaouona, kwa kuniambia ukweli huo ni kuitukana dini yako, bila hata kujibu hoja, hapo utakuwa umejitukana mwenyewe na kunitukana mimi.

Umenitukana mimi kwa sababu umesema hoja zangu nilizozitoa kwa fact ni matusi.

Umejitukana mwenyewe kwa kusema hivyo kijumla bila kuweza kupinga hoja zangu.
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Kiranga,
Hapana neno unaweza kuamini upendavyo hii ni nchi huru mwananchi anaweza kuwa na imani yoyote hapana tabu.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Mazindu,
Mimi nataka tujadili na nakuwekea hapa bandiko tuanze mjadala:

''...lakini tuende kielimu. Ninayo ripoti ya mwaka huu. Waliofanya mtihani wa darasa la saba kuingia darasa la tisa, asilimia 71 Waislamu. Asilimia 29 ni wengine. Walioshinda katika wale asilimia 71 ni asilimia 21. Katika wale 29 walioshinda tena sema mwenyewe. Katika asilimia 29 waliokwenda shuleni ni asilimia 79. Katika asilimia 71 waliokwenda darasa la tisa ni asilimia 21.

Sasa kuna moja, ama Waislamu wajinga ama akili yao haifanyi kazi, ama mtu ukiwa Muislamu wewe huna kitu, ama kuna kitu. Sasa namwomba Waziri anayehusika, anaposema aseme ya kwamba kwa hali ilivyo Waislamu wameumbwa wajinga. Au kwa hali ilivyo kuna sababu kadha, kadha. Mwalimu Nyerere alisema zamani ifanywe bidii ya kuwanyanyua waliokuwa chini. Sasa bidii hii siyo ya kuwanyanyua waliokuwa chini. Bidii hii ni ya kuwakandamiza waliokuwa chini...''
(Hotuba ya Mh. Kitwana Kondo Bungeni 1999).

Mazindu,
Shule kweli zimetaifishwa lakini hali ndiyo hiyo hapo juu.
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Ukishashikiwa akili na kuambiwa lugha yako haifai, inayofaa ni Kiarabu, kwenu hakufai, kunakofaa ni Mecca, ni rahisi sana kuangushwa kwenye mengine mengi sana.

N akujiona unaonewa kila sehemu. kwa kuwa ushakubali kuwa dhalili.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Hapana neno unaweza kuamini upendavyo hii ni nchi huru mwananchi anaweza kuwa na imani yoyote hapana tabu.
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Siongelei kuamini, naongelea fact.

Quran ina contradictions.

Hii ni fact, si imani.

Ukisema imeandikwa Kiarabu, siielewi, hiyo nayo ni contradiction.

Itakuwaje Mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote aachie habari zake ziandikwe kwenye lugha inayoeleweka na watu fulani tu, na wengine wasizielewe vizuri?

Contradictions!
 
Kiranga said:
Ukishashikiwa akili na kuambiwa lugha yako haifai, inayofaa ni Kiarabu, kwenu hakufai, kunakofaa ni Mecca, ni rahisi sana kuangushwa kwenye mengine mengi sana.

N akujiona unaonewa kila sehemu. kwa kuwa ushakubali kuwa dhalili.
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Kiranga,
Hakuna shida ndugu yangu.
 
Kiranga said:
Siongelei kuamini, naongelea fact.

Quran ina contradictions.

Hii ni fact, si imani.

Ukisema imeandikwa Kiarabu, siielewi, hiyo nayo ni contradiction.

Itakuwaje Mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote aachie habari zake ziandikwe kwenye lugha inayoeleweka na watu fulani tu, na wengine wasizielewe vizuri?

Contradictions!
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Kiranga,
Hapana neno.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Hakuna shida ndugu yangu.
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Shida ipo, na wewe si hakimu wa kusema wapi pana shida na wapi hapana shida.

Shida ipo kwa sababu Quran ina contradictions na umeshindwa kuzipangua na unalazimisha hakuna shida.
 
Kiranga said:
Shida ipo, na wewe si hakimu wa kusema wapi pana shida na wapi hapana shida.

Shida ipo kwa sababu Quran ina contradictions na umeshindwa kuzipangua na unalazimisha hakuna shida.
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Kiranga,
Sawa.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Hapana neno.
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Unalazimisha kuwa hakimu wa wapi pana neno na wapi hapana neno, wakati hujapangua contradictions za kwenye Quran.

Unasemaje hapana neno wakati contradictions za kwenye Quran hujazipangua?
 
Mohamed Said said:
Kiranga,
Sawa maneno yako unaweza kuamini utakacho sina haki ya kukukataza.
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Siongelei imani, naongelea fact. Nimeeleza point hii mara kadhaa, naona unaikimbia hutaki kuigusa.

Mwenye kuelewa imani ni nini hawezi kujadiliana JF mjadala wa dini, wewe hata kuelewa imani ni nini huelewi.
 
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