Kifo hakipangwi na Mungu

Kifo hakipangwi na Mungu

Kiranga said:
If the questions are most tempting, it is because they carry a deep truth.

If god can't do logical impossibilities, then that god is not all powerful.

He is limited by logic.

He is subject to logic.

That is not an all powerful god. God cannot use the logic excuse to justify evil. There is a latin saying that goes like the law serves the people, the people do not serve the law. Similarly, logic should serve god and not the other way around.

If god can't do logical impossibilities and he is powerless to stop evil because of logical impossibilities, then he is a poor designer who did not foresee logical impossibilities causing problems.

But you hold that god is all knowing and incapable of not foreseeing.

That is a logical contradiction.

Moreover, your mumbered flow is non sequitur to me.

Why are you starting with "either free will and evil are compatible or god dors not exist"

Couldn't your god have created a universe in which free will and evil are not compatible (because evil does not exist) and there is only free will amd good?

What stopped him from doing that? Logic?

Didn't he create logic?

If he didn't, who created logic?

God's god?

You subsribe to the fiction that man is a free agent, and that thete is free will.

Free will is an illussion. We can't even move back in time. How free are we? People have genes that make them prone to slcoholism and other predilections, how free are they?

People are born and trapped in countries with poverty and oppression, how free are they?
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Hahaha....nyie watu mshindwe.
 
Kiranga said:
If the questions are most tempting, it is because they carry a deep truth.

If god can't do logical impossibilities, then that god is not all powerful.

He is limited by logic.

He is subject to logic.

That is not an all powerful god. God cannot use the logic excuse to justify evil. There is a latin saying that goes like the law serves the people, the people do not serve the law. Similarly, logic should serve god and not the other way around.

If god can't do logical impossibilities and he is powerless to stop evil because of logical impossibilities, then he is a poor designer who did not foresee logical impossibilities causing problems.

But you hold that god is all knowing and incapable of not foreseeing.

That is a logical contradiction.

Moreover, your mumbered flow is non sequitur to me.

Why are you starting with "either free will and evil are compatible or god dors not exist"

Couldn't your god have created a universe in which free will and evil are not compatible (because evil does not exist) and there is only free will amd good?

What stopped him from doing that? Logic?

Didn't he create logic?

If he didn't, who created logic?

God's god?

You subsribe to the fiction that man is a free agent, and that thete is free will.

Free will is an illussion. We can't even move back in time. How free are we? People have genes that make them prone to slcoholism and other predilections, how free are they?

People are born and trapped in countries with poverty and oppression, how free are they?
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God created logic.
He cannot contradict himself by going against it.
 
Reina princess said:
Hahaha....nyie watu mshindwe.
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Hilo si jibu la maswali yangu.

Imekuwaje mungu mwenye uwezo wote, ujuzi wote na upendo wote akaumba ulimwengu ambao mabaya yanawezekana wakati alikuwa na uwezo wa kuumba ulimwengu ambao mabaya hayawezekani?

Hujajibu swali hili.

Na unalikimbia kwa kukemea kusiko na mantiki.
 
Kiranga said:
Then why did god create logic that allows evil while he could have created logic that does not allow evil?
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The existance of good and evil....that's logical. It ensures balance of nature.
It's like saying why night and day... that night time should have been eliminated.
The presence of good and evil serves a logical purpose.
 
Vipi na kuhusu mtoto anaezaliwa then anakufa baada ya wiki? How does life style contribute to that?
 
Reina princess said:
The existance of good and evil....that's logical. It ensures balance of nature.
It's like saying why night and day... that night time should have been eliminated.
The presence of good and evil saves a logical purpose.
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Why did god create a universe with a logic that allows the existence of evil?

You have not answered that question.

Must god have created a universe with evil?

If god created a universe in which time can only move forward, not backwards (your argument if duality as necessary for balance is violated there), why couldn't he create a universe in which evil is not possible, only good?

You have not answered that question, and your excuse of balance is already debunked.
 
Reina princess said:
The existance of good and evil....that's logical. It ensures balance of nature.
It's like saying why night and day... that night time should have been eliminated.
The presence of good and evil serves a logical purpose.
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You people, what is good and evil. Good or evil in what perception? And in whose eyes and interpretation? Be more logical
 
kamtesh said:
You people, what is good and evil. Good or evil in what perception? And in whose eyes and interpretation? Be more logical
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If an all knowing, all loving, all powerful god exists, evil should not exist to any of his creation. The existence of evil would be contradicting such a godhead.

Evil is anything harmful or injurious.

The fact that that evil exists to any of his creation shows such a god does not exist.

Why would such a god create a universe in which such evil is possible?
 
Jajojo said:
Nimesikiliza watu wengi mtu akifa wanasema "Mungu amepanga". Uongo huu umepita kizazi hata kizazi ili tufarijike katiba misiba.

Ukweli ni huu, Mungu hapangi kifo cha mtu chini ya miaka 70. Mtu anayekufa akiwa na miaka zaidi ya 70 ni mapenzi ya Mungu.

Mungu hana kitabu ameandika aina ya kifo cha mtu chini ya miaka 70. Watu wanakufa kutokana na aina ya maisha wanayo ishi, mazingira wanayoishi na imani za kishetani.
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Wapi palipoandikwa
 
Kiranga said:
If the questions are most tempting, it is because they carry a deep truth

If god can't do logical impossibilities, then that god is not all powerful.

He is limited by logic.

He is subject to logic.

That is not an all powerful god. God cannot use the logic excuse to justify evil. There is a latin saying that goes like the law serves the people, the people do not serve the law. Similarly, logic should serve god

If god can't do logical impossibilities and he is powerless to stop evil because of logical impossibilities, then he is a poor designer
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Duuh,what else can I say?
You are well trained atheistic thinker

I have no satisfactory theodicy against such problem,I don't even know how exactly to reconcile existence of evil and that of my God successfully

Perhaps God had sufficient moral reasons to allow existence of evil,but I'm unsure

Logical problem of evil is serious objection to Godhead existence

Finally,I have no any philosophical defense against it
 
Mish Albert said:
Duuh,what else can I say?
You are well trained atheistic thinker

I have no satisfactory theodicy against such problem,I don't even know how exactly to reconcile existence of evil and that of my God successfully

Perhaps God had sufficient moral reasons to allow existence of evil,but I'm unsure

Logical problem of evil is serious objection to Godhead existence

Finally,I have no any philosophical defense against it
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You believe in a god that you clearly do not understand.

Believing in things you do not understand is highly susceptible to being wrong belief.

You are highly susceptible to believing in a god that does not exist.
 
kamtesh said:
You people, what is good and evil. Good or evil in what perception? And in whose eyes and interpretation? Be more logical
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They can't be logical.

I doubt they even know what logic is.

There is absolutely no way the existence of god can hold up to logical scrutiny.

It just doesn't make sense.

Even Pope Francis doesn't pretend to know why evil exists.



That's why if you decide to go toe to toe with them [those who claim god exists] eventually they reach their wits' end and give up.

But the way I look at it is this, and it's very simple....all one needs to say is 'I believe, not know, that god exists' and the debate will end right then and there.

Basically no one can challenge anyone's belief. How can anyone deny if I believe I'm Superman? Beliefs are like opinions. We all have them.

It's when they venture into the known knowns and known unknowns territory where they trip themselves up and fall.
 
Mish Albert said:
Duuh,what else can I say?
You are well trained atheistic thinker

I have no satisfactory theodicy against such problem,I don't even know how exactly to reconcile existence of evil and that of my God successfully

Perhaps God had sufficient moral reasons to allow existence of evil,but I'm unsure

Logical problem of evil is serious objection to Godhead existence

Finally,I have no any philosophical defense against it
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kamtesh

See what I just told you?

This is uber-funny.
 
Kiranga said:
You believe in a god that you clearly do not understand
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Listen,I understand what I believe
But I don't know true essence of my God yet

I have failed to solve the problem of evil,but that does not prove non existence of God

It's logical fallacy to use one ignorance as justification of your assertion

May be God had good reason to allow existence of evil,but we still don't know which kinda reason he had
Believing in things you do not understand is highly susceptible to being wrong belief.

You are highly susceptible to believing in a god that does not exist.
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Even if you will successfully manage to disprove existence of God logically,I'll still believing in him

The one thing I know is that,one does not need factual knowledge,mathematical equations or scientific evidence to believe in God

One need only a faith.
 
Mish Albert said:
Listen,I understand what I believe
But I don't know true essence of my God yet
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Huh? You understand what you believe but yet you don't know the true essence of your god?

What sense does that make?

I have failed to solve the problem,but that does not prove non existence
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And neither does it prove existence, correct?

It's logical fallacy to use one igorance as justification of your assertion
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Good point.

May be God had good reason to allow existence of evil,but we still don't which kinda reason he had
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The operative word there is the modal verb 'maybe'. Which basically proves you don't know.

Even if you will successfully manage to disprove existence of God logically,I'll still believing in him
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I don't think anybody has an issue with anyone's beliefs. You can believe in anything because that's stuff that's in your head. But just know that if you say you know god exists, you are going to get checked.

The one thing I know is that,one does not need factual knowledge,mathematical equations or scientific evidence to believe in God
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You are absolutely right.

One need only a faith.
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Faith and belief are synonymous.
 
Mish Albert said:
I have one question for you
If you,agnostics are undecided about the issue[existence of God]

What then is your moral standard,and purpose of life?
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I'll speak for myself.

My moral standard is unimpeachable rectitude.

That is, to lead a life adhering to it.

I know it sounds romantic but I try to the best of my ability to be that person.

And yes, I'm not infallible. There are slip-ups and missteps here and there.

I just do what I can to be the best person I can be.

Apropos of purpose of life, very simple: just live it to the fullest.

Because, as far as I know, you only get one [life] to live.

And this segues nicely to your next question below!

Do you believe in hereafter?
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No, I don't.

I'm curious, though, to know what really comes after death.

But I'm afraid there is only one way to know: and that is to die.

But then again, how can you know anything when you are dead?

It shall remain a mystery and a subject of conjecture!
 
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