Kiranga alikuwa anasali Kanisa Katoliki. Ilikuwaje akaanza kuamini hakuna Mungu?

[mzushi flani]

Unajua maana ya "nothing" hivi unafikiri kweli kijana ?

Tuelezee mchakato wake.

nianze tena kukufundisha mycology unamaanisha!?..

 

[mzushi flani]

Unauliza tena sehemu ambayo unatakiwa uthibitishe ?

we jamaa kichwa chako kinafikiria sawia!? maana naona unacheza na maneno tu! unayageuza tu

 

[mzushi flani]

Hujaonyesha.

nikununulie miwani ukaisome hyo poat vizuri!?. nlipewa angalizo kua kuna vipofu humu,ila naona ni muda wa kulizingatia

 

[mzushi flani]

a) Development of the Embryo
The Qur’anic description of certain stages in the development of the embryo corresponds
exactly to what we today know about it. After ‘the thing which clings’, the Qur’an informs us
that the embryo passes through the stage of ‘chewed flesh’, then tissue appears and is clad
in flesh:
“We fashioned the thing which clings into a chewed lump of flesh and We
fashioned the chewed flesh into bones, and We clothed the bones with intact
flesh”. (23:14).
It was only during the nineteenth century that people had a slightly clearer view of this
question.
All the afore mentioned and many other modern scientific concepts found abundantly in the
Glorious Qur’an, that was revealed 14 centuries ago, with utmost accuracy and free from
any error, prove beyond any iota of doubt the divine source of its revelation.

b) The Earth and Heavens were Joined Together
All scientific circles in the world today agree that the planets were originally composed of a
mass of Sodium gas and that first the heavens and the earth were joined together as a
single entity and then they separated from each other. Centuries ago, the Qur’an referred
to this scientific theory.
It says when describing the creation of the heavens:
“Then God turned to the creation of the heavens (the planets), when they were
but a smoky substance.” (41:11)
“Do the unbelievers not see that the heavens and the earth were joined together
before we separated them, and that We brought all living things into existence
from water? Why do they still not believe in God?” (21:30)
Thus the Qur’an unveils one of the great mysteries of nature: the planets were originally
composed of smoky substance (mass of Sodium gas), and the separation of the planets
from a huge object and then their separation from each other. Since at the time of
revelation of the Qur’an, the general level of knowledge and science was extremely low,
does this not constitute a proof of the heavenly nature of the Qur’an?

c) Expansion of Universe
One of the most subtle discoveries in science concerns the expansion of universe, its
tendency constantly to extend its boundaries. This was something completely unknown to
the human being until the last century. This mystery is, however, mentioned by the Qur’an
in the following terms, which again bear witness to its remarkable profundity when
discussing such matters:
“We created the heavens with Our strength and power, and constantly expand
them”. (51:47)

d) Force of Gravity
We know that before the time of Newton, that great scientific personality, no one was
aware of the force of gravity. Newton proved that the falling of objects to earth, the rotation of the moon and the Venus, the motion of the planets, and other instances of attraction are
all subject to the single law, the law of universal gravity.
The Qur’an describes the above mentioned gravitational force as ‘invisible pillars’:
“God it is Who raised up the heavenly bodies to invisible pillars .....” (13:2).
In conveying this scientific truth, the Qur’an has used an expression that is comprehensible
for the men of all ages. Are these ‘unseen pillars’, which prevent the planets from colliding
with each other or falling, anything other than the mysterious and invisible force of
universal gravity, a law to which the Creator of the universe has subjected all of the
heavenly bodies?

e) In Pairs
It is only recently that researchers have come aware of insemination in plants and learned
that every living being including plants comes into existence as the result of the merging of
a male and female parts.
In verses that are totally free of ambiguity, the noble Qur’an, sets forth clearly the principle
of gender in the gender world, together with the existence of male and female parts even in
plants.
“Do they not look at the earth, where we created the plants in pairs”. (42:7).

f) Role of Wind
The Qur’an also mentions the role and operation of an important factor in the bringing of
things to fruition: the wind.
“We have sent the winds as a means of insemination and impregnation, and then
sent down rain from the heavens.” (15:22).
In this verse, the Qur’an unveils another a great mystery of creation, the fundamental role
played by the wind in the fertilization of plants.

g) Light in the Moon is merely a Reflection
It is known that the sun is a star that generates intense heat and light by its internal
combustion, and that the moon which does not give off light itself, merely reflects the light
received from the sun.
The Qur’an testifies the above fact:
“Blessed is the One Who placed the constellations in heaven and placed in it a
lamp (SIRAJ) and a moon, giving light (MUNIIRA)”. (25:61)
Here the moon is defined as a body that gives reflection of light (Muniira), while the sun is
compared to a blazing lamp or torch (Siraj).

h) High Altitude
It is infact a highly common place reflection on the discomfort experienced at high altitude,
which increases the higher one climbs, that is expressed in the Qur’an:
“Those whom God wills to guide, He opens their breast to Islam. While those
whom He wills to let straying, He makes their breath closed and constricted, as if
they had to climb up the skies”. (6:125)
Who informed the Prophet that by climbing up in the skies, the pressure increases and
breathing becomes difficult?

i) Honey Bees
Concerning bees, the Qur’an says:
“Your Lord inspired the (female) bee, choose your dwelling in the hills, in the
trees and in what (man) build. Eat of all fruit and follow the ways of your Lord in
humility. From within their bodies comes a liquid of different colours where is
cure for men”. (16:68-69)
The Qur’an refers that the worker-bees who are searching for food are females. The verbs used in Arabic refer to female bees. This is very amazing. For all along, until only recently,
people imagined that the “soldier-bees” were males.

Hayo ni machache tu,, nimeshindwa kuCopy yote..


Narudisha mpira kwako Mzushi flani..

Niambie nani aliyesema hayo miaka 1400 iliyopita ? Na ikawaje akapatia zote ?

The Qur'an and its contradictions: Some concrete examples | carm.org



hapo kuna contradictions zinakinzana na ww hapo juu!..

 

[mzushi flani]

Kwa kutumia biology niliyosoma form 4 ( sikuendelea nayo ngazi za juu)
Moja ya sifa ya living thing ni kwamba it reproduces...
Kwa Maana hiyo fungi wanapatikana through reproduction,, kwa fungi nadhani itakuwa ni asexual reproduction

Sasa,, how does fungi come from nothing ?

The very same way the universe comes from nothing!.

 

[mzushi flani]

Nasubiri majibu ya maswali yangu.... Nani ameandika zile scientific facts ?
Na kama jibu ni Muhammad SAW,, alijuaje kipindi kile ? Na ikawaje amepata yote ?

Baada ya hapo nitakuja kukuchambulia hizo unazoziita contradictions,,

nlikuonesha kua Qur an imefanya guessing juu ya uumbaji wa mwanadamu kwa kuonesha nadharia zinazotofautiana, kwahyo hainizuii kusema hata huko kwingine ni kubahatisha tu, maana kuna sehemu imesema hvi, na kuna sehemu imesoma vile!.

1.What was man created from: blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

*“Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2).
*“We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
*“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59).
*“But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?” (19:67, Yusuf Ali).Also, 52:35).
*“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

2.Creation of the Heaven and Earth

Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first.

Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)….

Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth

Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!

kutumia hyo mifano hai miwili, unaona kua koran iliandika options kadhaa ili ikikosea huku inapatia kule!

sasa ya nini kujinasibu kua aliandika 1400 years zilizopita kama alikua anaotea tu!?. hizo ni mbili tu nkiendelea kukuchambulia yanayofata ntakua napoteza nguvu maana inatosha kusema kua koran ilo bet na ukweli tu,.

Theory ya gravity ilianza tangu kwa socrates huko karne ya 4, isaac newton ni aliifanyia kazi karne ya 17 ila ilianza zamani sana kabla ya koran

 

[mzushi flani]

Umeshindwa kutetea mfano wako..

Bado nasubiri mfano halisi wa Non-living thing kutengeneza living thing...

okay unataka mfano!?. rahisi tu ni kua chukua chakula kifungie kwenye chombo kisicho na kitu, then after 3 days fungua, utakuta funza!.. katoka wapi!? chakula ni living thing!?. ama utaniambia mungu kamuwekamo maana hamkawii kufikiria kwa kutumia makalio!

 

[Kiranga]

Kuna mtu kathibitisha Mungu yupo?

Au longolongo tu bado?

 

[Kinengunengu]

Kuna mtu kathibitisha Mungu yupo?

Au longolongo tu bado?

Mimi naweza thibitisho Mungu yupo japo toka nikuone na kukufuatilia humu JF nashindwaga kukuelewa na kuelewa maswali yako. Naomba unielewe unataka nikuthibitishiaje? Nipe Muongozo

 

[Kiranga]

Mimi naweza thibitisho Mungu yupo japo toka nikuone na kukufuatilia humu JF nashindwaga kukuelewa na kuelewa maswali yako. Naomba unielewe unataka nikuthibitishiaje? Nipe Muongozo

Thibitisha Mungu yupo kwa namna ambayo.

1. Inaelezeka kimantiki. Ukisema kitu ambacho hakina mlolongo wa maelezo ya kimantiki, kama "maisha ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" au "ushuhuda wangu ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

2. Thibitisha kwa njia ambayo inaweza kurudiwa na wengine wakapata matokeo yaleyale. Ukisema "Nimepanda Mlima Kilimanjaro nikakutana na Mungu akanithibitishia yeye ni Mungu kwa sababu hii na hii" uweze kuwapa wengine hatua ulizopitia wazifuatishe hivyo hivyo kuthibitisha Mungu yupo na anaweza kuthibitika na wengine, si wewe na washabiki wenzako tu.

3. Ukisema "Mungu yupo kwa sababu Biblia/Quran etc vimeandika yupo" au "Mtume fulani kasema" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

4. Ukisema unathibitisha Mungu ambaye ana contradiction, huo si uthibitisho, huo ni utata ambao hujautatua. Kwa mfano, ukisema kuna Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote, ambaye kaumba ulimwengu ambao watu wanakufa sana, wanaugua sana, wanapigwa na majanga ya kiasili kila siku, wanatenganishwa na wapendwa wao, wanazaliwa na vilema vya maisha, wanaishi kwa tabu sana, watoto wadogo wanajiuza miili ili kupata mlo wa siku tu, Mungu huyo hujathibitisha kuwepo kwake kwa sababu hujatatua contradiction katika uwepo wake.

5. Ukijificha nyuma ya pazia kwamba Mungu haeleweki kwa akili ya kibinadamu hapo hujathibitisha Mungu yupo, unathibitisha kwamba hujui unachoongelea. Zaidi, yeyote anaweza kusema uingo wowote ni ukweli ila haueleweki kwa akili ya kibinadamu tu.

6. Uthibitisho wako wa Mungu unatakiwa usiweze kukanushika. Ukiweza kukanukisha huyo si Mungu ni hadithi tu.

7.Uthibitisho wako wa Mungu uweze kujibu swali lolote kuhusu ulimwengu ulivyo, pamoja na kujibu kwa nini Mungu kaachia ulimwengu uwe na watu wenye tofauti kubwa sana kwenye dini, hata wale wanaotaka kukubali uwepo wake na kumuabudu wamegawanyika kimsingi kutokana nandini za baba zao, wanapigana mpaka vita kwa jina la Mungu. Mungu kashindwa kumaliza vita hata kwenye masuala ya dini?

8. Uthibitisho wako utueleze kwa nini Mungu hakuweka habari zake zote kwenye DNA kila mtu akizaliwa amjue Mungu bila kuhitaji mhubiri, mtume, kitabu wala kujua Kiarabu, Kiyahudi au Kiyunani au Kimakonde kumjua Mungu.

9. Uthibitisho utueleze tutahakiki vipi kimantiki kwamba habari za kuwepo Mungu ni za kweli na si hadithi za kutungwa na watu tu.

10.Uthibitisho utueleze inakuwaje Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na uoendo wote, anayegawa uelewa kwa watu, anayewapa akili za kumjua anaowataka, na kuwanyima anaotaka, aende kuhukumu watu ambao hawajamuelewa, kwa kuwa hajawapa uelewa wa kumjua?

 

[Kisai]

nianze tena kukufundisha mycology unamaanisha!?..

Jbu swali nililo kuuliza.

 

[Kisai]

we jamaa kichwa chako kinafikiria sawia!? maana naona unacheza na maneno tu! unayageuza tu

Elewa nilicho kiandika kisha weka ithibati.

 

[Kisai]

nikununulie miwani ukaisome hyo poat vizuri!?. nlipewa angalizo kua kuna vipofu humu,ila naona ni muda wa kulizingatia

Hujaonyesha,na kuna maswali mengine zaidi ya sita nimekuuliza najua umeuakimbia.

 

[Kisai]

1. Inaelezeka kimantiki. Ukisema kitu ambacho hakina mlolongo wa maelezo ya kimantiki, kama "maisha ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" au "ushuhuda wangu ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

Mantiki ni nini na kwanini iwe mantiki na isiwe uhalisia na ubainifu ?

Mahubiri ni nini na kwa vipi yasiwe uthibitisho...?

. Thibitisha kwa njia ambayo inaweza kurudiwa na wengine wakapata matokeo yaleyale. Ukisema "Nimepanda Mlima Kilimanjaro nikakutana na Mungu akanithibitishia yeye ni Mungu kwa sababu hii na hii" uweze kuwapa wengine hatua ulizopitia wazifuatushe hivyo hivyo kuthibitisha Mungu yupo na anaweza kuthibitika na wengine, si wewe na washabiki wenzako tu.

Uozo mwingine naona umesahau unataka uthibitishiwe nini. Katika kitu mnachofeli na nineshawahi kuwaambis zaidi ya mara tatu, ni utoaji wa mifano,yaani mnatoa mifano ambayo hailingani na kile kinachopigiwa mfano.

Suala la ithibati juu ya Mola ni suala jepesi sana na si la kimchakato,linahitaji tafakari na kuchukua hatua.

 

[Kiranga]

Mantiki ni nini na kwanini iwe mantiki na isiwe uhalisia na ubainifu ?

Mahubiri ni nini na kwa vipi yasiwe uthibitisho...?

Uozo mwingine naona umesahau unataka uthibitishiwe nini. Katika kitu mnachofeli na nineshawahi kuwaambis zaidi ya mara tatu, ni utoaji wa mifano,yaani mnatoa mifano ambayo hailingani na kile kinachopigiwa mfano.

Suala la ithibati juu ya Mola ni suala jepesi sana na si la kimchakato,linahitaji tafakari na kuchukua hatua.

Thibitisha Mungu yupo. Acha longolongo.

 

[Kisai]

3. Ukisema "Mungu yupo kwa sababu Biblia/Quran etc vimeandika yupo" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

Vipi yawe mahubiri na si uthibitisho ?

Mathalani Qur'aan inasema :

35. Au wao wameumbwa pasipo kutokana na kitu chochote, au ni wao ndio waumbaji? (at-Tur : 35)

Hii aya imethibitisha uwepo wa Allah. Sasa thibitisha kama huu si uthibitisho na ujibu swali hilo.

 

[Kisai]

Thibitisha Mungu yupo. Acha longolongo.

Nimecheka sana,hapo hakuna longo longo. Longo longo unaleta wewe kwa kurudia nukta moja zaidi ya mara sita na kubadilisha namba tu.

Jibu maswali niliyo kuuliza.

 

[Kinengunengu]

Thibitisha Mungu yupo kwa namna ambayo.

1. Inaelezeka kimantiki. Ukisema kitu ambacho hakina mlolongo wa maelezo ya kimantiki, kama "maisha ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" au "ushuhuda wangu ni uthibitisho kwamba Mungu yupo" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

2. Thibitisha kwa njia ambayo inaweza kurudiwa na wengine wakapata matokeo yaleyale. Ukisema "Nimepanda Mlima Kilimanjaro nikakutana na Mungu akanithibitishia yeye ni Mungu kwa sababu hii na hii" uweze kuwapa wengine hatua ulizopitia wazifuatishe hivyo hivyo kuthibitisha Mungu yupo na anaweza kuthibitika na wengine, si wewe na washabiki wenzako tu.

3. Ukisema "Mungu yupo kwa sababu Biblia/Quran etc vimeandika yupo" au "Mtume fulani kasema" hayo ni mahubiri, si uthibitisho.

4. Ukisema unathibitisha Mungu ambaye ana contradiction, huo si uthibitisho, huo ni utata ambao hujautatua. Kwa mfano, ukisema kuna Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote, ambaye kaumba ulimwengu ambao watu wanakufa sana, wanaugua sana, wanapigwa na majanga ya kiasili kila siku, wanatenganishwa na wapendwa wao, wanazaliwa na vilema vya maisha, wanaishi kwa tabu sana, watoto wadogo wanajiuza miili ili kupata mlo wa siku tu, Mungu huyo hujathibitisha kuwepo kwake kwa sababu hujatatua contradiction katika uwepo wake.

5. Ukijificha nyuma ya pazia kwamba Mungu haeleweki kwa akili ya kibinadamu hapo hujathibitisha Mungu yupo, unathibitisha kwamba hujui unachoongelea. Zaidi, yeyote anaweza kusema uingo wowote ni ukweli ila haueleweki kwa akili ya kibinadamu tu.

6. Uthibitisho wako wa Mungu unatakiwa usiweze kukanushika. Ukiweza kukanukisha huyo si Mungu ni hadithi tu.

7.Uthibitisho wako wa Mungu uweze kujibu swali lolote kuhusu ulimwengu ulivyo, pamoja na kujibu kwa nini Mungu kaachia ulimwengu uwe na watu wenye tofauti kubwa sana kwenye dini, hata wale wanaotaka kukubali uwepo wake na kumuabudu wamegawanyika kimsingi kutokana nandini za baba zao, wanapigana mpaka vita kwa jina la Mungu. Mungu kashindwa kumaliza vita hata kwenye masuala ya dini?

8. Uthibitisho wako utueleze kwa nini Mungu hakuweka habari zake zote kwenye DNA kila mtu akizaliwa amjue Mungu bila kuhitaji mhubiri, mtume, kitabu wala kujua Kiarabu, Kiyahudi au Kiyunani au Kimakonde kumjua Mungu.

9. Uthibitisho utueleze tutahakiki vipi kimantiki kwamba habari za kuwepo Mungu ni za kweli na si hadithi za kutungwa na watu tu.

10.Uthibitisho utueleze inakuwaje Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na uoendo wote, anayegawa uelewa kwa watu, anayewapa akili za kumjua anaowataka, na kuwanyima anaotaka, aende kuhukumu watu ambao hawajamuelewa, kwa kuwa hajawapa uelewa wa kumjua?

Mzee unataka nikuthibitishie Mungu kwa namna upendavyo wewe na sio nipendavyo wala utaratibu ulivyo. Umejifunga fikra bro hutaki mawazo mbadala. Leo ndio nimejua tatizo lako. Ebu ndugu yangu@kiranga acha moyo wako wazi bro naamini Mungu atajifunua kwako. Mimi nilikuwa kama wewe. Nimekulia Lutheran, nimeshiriki sakrament zote za Kilutheli ila Dunia ikaja niyumbisha na nikakana uwepo wa Mungu tokana na baadhi ya fikra za kibinadamu zilizokuwa zinanitatiza na hoja za kisayansi kwa elimu yangu ya kidunia wakati huo. Lakini pamoja na yote niliachilia moyo wangu wazi na Mungu kujifunua kwangu hadi sasa namtumikia.

Nakushauri Mpendwa, ebu acha moyo wako wazi ili Mungu aseme nawe. Wewe ni wa thamani sana mbele yake. Anakupenda na kuthamini. Maswali na vigezo unavyotumia kutaka uthibitisho wa Mungu ni vya kitoto zaidi kwani ulimwengu wa Roho ni tofauti na ulimwengu wa Mwili.

 

[Kisai]

4. Ukisema unathibitisha Mungu ambaye ana contradiction, huo si uthibitisho, huo ni utata ambao hujautatua. Kwa mfano, ukisema kuna Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote, ambaye kaumba ulimwengu ambao watu wanakufa sana, wanaugua sana, wanapigwa na majanga ya kiasili kila siku, wanatenganishwa na waoendwa wao, wanazaliwa na vilema vya maisha, wanaishi kwa tabu sana, watoto wadogo wanajiuza miili ili kupata mlo wa siku tu, Mungu huyo hujathibitisha kuwepo kwake kwa sababu hujatatua contradiction katika uwepo wake

Hskuna siku uliyo weza kuonyesha "contradictions" na ukazijengea hoja zaidi ya ku copy na ku paste,hili najua huliwezi mpaka unakufa.

Hapa unabaki kuwa muongo na mbabaishaji. Sasa usilete ubabaishaji weka hoja na ujibu hoja.

 

[Kinengunengu]

Nimecheka sana,hapo hakuna longo longo. Longo longo unaleta wewe kwa kurudia nukta moja zaidi ya mara sita na kubadilisha namba tu.

Jibu maswali niliyo kuuliza.

Huyu anajifanyisha na maswali yake ni ya upande mmoja na hataki jifunza kwa wengine. Maswali na logic zake ni za kitoto pia anashindana na hataki kuelewa wala kueleweshwa.