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Mtume Muhammad: Jamii isipotoshwe; Jua huzama katika Chemchemu ya matope Meusi na Mazito
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The Glorious Quran is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
The sunsetless North Pole Quran-Miracle:
"Dhil Qarnayn" ذي القرنين in Noble Verse 18:83 means "one with the two horns". We read about his story in more details in Noble Verses 18:83-100:
Dhil = one with.
قرنين Qarnayn = two horns.
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
They also spoke unintelligibly, the Quran says. They hardly spoke intelligibly (18:93). Historians have proven that the Barbarians of the North used to speak unintelligibly. The description of the people of the North, whose North Pole is truly sunsetless (see ample pictures), perfectly fits the Barbarians of the Vikings in the Scandinavian and other Barbarians in the near by lands:
Only said for the sun-up:
Allah Almighty did not say that He made "no cover" for them from it for the sunset. He said it for the sun-up only, which further proves that indeed the sun being always up, in Noble Verse 18:90 below, is referring to a geographical area in the North, since so much geographical proofs, and 1000-year old maps below, also point to that location as well.
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." مطلع الشمس in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
Remember that they are located near where the sun never sets. In the north, no shade was made from it for them. It is almost always shining on them: لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. "We made no cover for them from it" (18:90). In other words, it never sets. Night almost never comes:
(Click to play clip)
Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul and grant him Paradise, - Ameen, - gave old Islamic maps (video) that date 1000+ old that estimate that Dhil Qarnayn reached all the way north, near the North Pole, where the sun is always up, and reached the Black Sea for sunset, the body of water that is dark and murky. The Black Sea is also not very far from the northern parts of Russia and the North Pole:
(Click to play video and to enlarge pictures)
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
They also almost spoke unintelligibly: "...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا. See the references below about the Vikings' language, and similar people of the North, when they were Barbarians. Historians precisely say they spoke unintelligibly [1].
In either case, the Glorious Quran is the Divine and Miraculous Book of Allah Almighty. The Holy Book is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets, and shown in this video. I also quoted the scientific sources from Wikipedia. Also in the lands near by, the sun almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands. See ample pictures.
*** Never mentioned for Sunset:
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." مطلع الشمس in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
- The Glorious Quran is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
Reaching Gog and Magog:
Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 18:83-100 mentioned three different geographic locations that Dhil Qarnayn marched to:
1- The place where the sun never sets.
2- The two barriers and a tribe from Gog and Magog.
3- The murky body of water that resembles an eye.
Lake Issk Kul or the Black Sea or a similar body:بلغ when used physically or geographically, it means reaching near the area/land, or in it. This is for Noble Verse 18:86. For example:
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
The hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
Let us now look at the top candidates for the body of water in Noble Verse 18:86:
1- Lake Issk Kul:
عين حمئة AYN HAME'AH in Noble Verse 18:86 means Murky and/or muddy water [1] [2] [3]. Some Muslims read it as AYN HAAMIYAH عين حامية, which means hot water [1]. This is based on Ibn Masood and Ibn Al-Zubayr's reading. See below. Interestingly, lake Issyk Kul, for example, which is shaped like an eye, and is murky and muddy, is also nicknamed the "hot lake" because it never freezes:
""Issyk-Kul" means "hot lake" in Kyrgyz, as it never freezes." (Source)
"Issyk Kul lake is the second-largest alpine lake in the world....and though temperatures do dip significanty in the winter, the lake never freezes. The reason for this is its high salt content, which has also endowed it with its name, which translates to ‘hot lake’." (Source, 2)
"About 118 rivers and streams flow into the lake; the largest are the Djyrgalan and Tyup. It is fed by springs, including many hot springs, and snow melt. The lake has no current outlet, but some hydrologists hypothesize[7] that the lake's water filters deep underground into the Chu River. The bottom of the lake contains the mineral monohydrocalcite: one of the few known lacustrine deposits." (Source)
حمئة is murky and/or muddy [1] [2] [3]. "وجَدها تَغْرُب في عَيْنٍ حَمِئةٍ، وقرأَ ابن مسعود وابن الزبير: حاميةٍ", translates as "He found it setting in a body of water that is HAME'AH حمئة , is read by Ibn Masood and Ibn Al-Zubayr as: HAAMIYAH حاميةٍ"
Why حمئة and not حاميةٍ:
The hotness of the lake here is symbolic, which is perhaps why Allah Almighty chose حمئة and not حامية, which the latter literally means "hot". So حمئة is symbolically hot, and it is actually murky and/or muddy. And Allah Almighty always Knows Best.
Lake Issyk Kul is indeed both murky and muddy [2]:
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Lake Issyk Kul here gives us a beautiful natural description on what the body of water that Dhil Qarnayn ذي القرنين and his army reached was like. It could very well be indeed lake Issyk Kul itself. Or it could be a similar body of water with similar features. Only Allah Almighty Knows.
2- The Black Sea:
Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul and grant him Paradise, - Ameen, - gave old Islamic maps (video) that date 1000+ old that estimate that Dhil Qarnayn reached all the way north, near the North Pole, where the sun is always up, and reached the Black Sea for sunset, the body of water that is dark and murky. The Black Sea is also not very far from the northern parts of Russia and the North Pole:
(Click to play video and to enlarge pictures)
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
They also almost spoke unintelligibly: "...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا. See the references below about the Vikings' language, and similar people of the North, when they were Barbarians. Historians precisely say they spoke unintelligibly [1].
At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets, and shown in this video. I also quoted the scientific sources from Wikipedia. Also in the lands near by, the sun almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands. See ample pictures.
*** Thousands of Miracles:
In either case or in any case regarding Noble Verse 18:86's body of water, the Glorious Quran is the Divine and Miraculous Book of Allah Almighty. The Holy Book is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate, and very beautiful.
Regarding the two barriers and a tribe from Gog and Magog:
[018:094] They said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, verily, Gog and Magog are creating disorder in the earth; shall we then pay tribute on condition that thou set up a barrier between us and them ?'
The following historical account seems to describe this event accurately:
"The Gates of Alexander was a legendary barrier supposedly built by Alexander the Great in the Caucasus to keep the uncivilized barbarians of the north (typically associated with Gog and Magog [1]) from invading the land to the south. The gates were a popular subject in medieval travel literature, starting with the Alexander Romance in a version from perhaps the 6th century.
The wall, also known as the Caspian Gates, has been identified with two locations: the Pass of Derbent, Russia or with the Pass of Dariel, west of the Caspian Sea. Tradition also connects it to the Great Wall of Gorgan (Red Snake) on its south-eastern shore.
Historically, these fortifications were part of the defence lines built by Sasanians of Persia. The Great Wall of Gorgan may have been built by the Parthians.
The name Caspian Gates originally applied to the narrow region at the southeast corner of the Caspian Sea, through which Alexander actually marched in the pursuit of Bessus, although he did not stop to fortify it. It was transferred to the passes through the Caucasus, on the other side of the Caspian, by the more fanciful historians of Alexander.
Josephus, a Jewish historian in the 1st century, is known to have written of Alexander's gates, designed to be a barrier against the Scythians. According to this historian, the people whom the Greeks called Scythians were known (among the Jews) as Magogites, descendants of Magog in the Hebrew Bible. These references occur in two different works. The Jewish War states that the iron gates Alexander erected were controlled by the king of Hyrcania (on the south edge of the Caspian), and allowing passage of the gates to the Alans (whom Josephus considered a Scythic tribe) resulted in the sack of Media. Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews contains two relevant passages, one giving the ancestry of Scythians as descendants of Magog son of Japheth, and another that refers to the Caspian Gates being breached by Scythians allied to Tiberius during the Armenian War. [a][2]" (Source)
References:
1. Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius 8; Alexander Romance, epsilon recension 39.
a. Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 1.123 and 18.97; The Jewish War 7.244-51.
2. Bietenholz, Peter G. (1994). Historia and fabula: myths and legends in historical thought from antiquity to the modern age. Brill. ISBN 9004100636.
Historians and archeologists are now discovering that the ancient Vikings have discovered and reached vast lands on earth, including being the first to discover the lands of Canada and America. So there is so much that remains unknown about the Barbarians of the Vikings and other similar tribes from other nations.
Some of his stories:
Keep in mind that Allah Almighty began Noble Verses 18:83-100 by saying that He will tell us some of the stories of Dhil Qarnayn. So there is a lot more to Dhil Qarnayn and his people than what is mentioned in the Noble Verses:
ويسألونك عن ذي القرنين قل ساتلو عليكم منه ذكرا
[018:083] They ask thee concerning Dhil Qarnayn. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story منه ذكرا."
Key Words:
Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran, in Noble Verses 18:83-100, said the following key Words about Dhul or Dhil Qarnayn:
- بلغ
- مطلع الشمس
- لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
- مغرب الشمس
- وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
The hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
مطلع الشمس. Again, see ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
مطلع الشمس where the sun is up. It does not mean sunrise. In Arabic, sunrise is مشرق الشمس, where مشرق is derived from شرق east. See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunrise and sunset. مغرب الشمس is sunset. مغرب is derived from غرب west. But here, Allah Almighty used مطلع الشمس , which literally here means where the sun is always up. مطلع is derived from طلع which means going up, which is why some Muslims a few centuries after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, believed that Dhul Qarnyn reached up north, not east. Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul, presented these maps.
See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunrise.
See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunset.
- See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
- "We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
Also, let us look at Noble Word طلع in depth:
طلع , which is what مطلع is derived from, means that something (the sun in our case here) appears from somewhere, such as from behind a big object, such as a chain of mountains or clouds, or when the sun is always up. For example:
- 97:1 انا انزلناه في ليلة القدر
97:2 وماادراك ماليلة القدر
97:3 ليلة القدر خير من الف شهر
97:4 تنزل الملائكة والروح فيها باذن ربهم من كل امر
97:5 سلام هي حتى مطلع الفجر
[097:001] We have indeed revealed this (Message) in the Night of Power:
[097:002] And what will explain to thee what the night of power is?
[097:003] The Night of Power is better than a thousand months.
[097:004] Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:
[097:005] Peace!...This until the rise مطلع of morn!
The Glorious Quran was sent in the Holy Month of Ramadan, and in the Night of Power. There is a special Peace and Blessing from Allah Almighty in this Night until the rise مطلع of the morn unto Mecca, the Holy place that the Glorious Quran was first sent down to and revealed in.
- 37:65 طلعها كانه رؤوس الشياطين
[037:065] The shoots of its fruit-stalks طلعها are like the heads of devils:
Here, the tree of Zaqqoom in Hell, will have shoots that will appear as the heads of the devils when it first appears to the infidels.
- 37:55 فاطلع فراه في سواء الجحيم
[037:055] He looked down فاطلع and saw him in the midst of the Fire.
At the Day of Judgment, Allah Almighty will allow the Believers to look down, from above, and see the punishment of the infidels. فاطلع here means Allah Almighty will let the believers take a peak from above.
- 104:5 وماادراك ماالحطمة
104:6 نار الله الموقدة
104:7 التي تطلع على الافئدة
[104:005] And what will explain to thee That which Breaks to Pieces?
[104:006] (It is) the Fire of (the Wrath of) God kindled (to a blaze),
[104:007] The which doth mount تطلع (Right) to the Hearts:
Here Hell Fire will overwhelm even the hearts of the disbelievers. It will be all over them.
- So when Allah Almighty Says:
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
[018:090] Until, when he came to the rising of مطلع the sun, he found it rising on تطلع a people for whom We had provided no covering ستر against the sun.
Allah Almighty Said that Dhil Qarnayn reached near بلغ where the sun is up, or always up, and he saw it above people who don't have shade (night shade) ستر from it.
Balagha بلغ , here means getting close to the sunsetless point of the sun on earth.
Example:
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
Again, the hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
The sun never sets at the North Pole:
"The midnight sun is a natural phenomenon that occurs in the summer months in places north of the Arctic Circle or south of the Antarctic Circle, when the sun remains visible at the local midnight. Around the summer solstice (approximately 21 June in the Northern Hemisphere and 22 December in the Southern Hemisphere), the sun is visible for the full 24 hours, given fair weather. The number of days per year with potential midnight sun increases the closer towards either pole one goes. Although approximately defined by the polar circles, in practice the midnight sun can be seen as much as 55 miles (90 km) outside the polar circle, as described below, and the exact latitudes of the farthest reaches of midnight sun depend on topography and vary slightly year-to-year." (Source)
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Polar Nights in lands near by the North Pole:
"While the Sun doesn't rise above the horizon, it does come close to doing so. Instead of the pitch black many imagine it to be like, you get a blue light much of the time during the days of the polar night." (Sources: 1, 2)
"Polar night on Nordkinn Peninsula in Norway, mainland Europe's northernmost peninsula." (Sources: 1, 2)
Polar nights in the Arctic Circle. Click on image.
Sources: 1, 2
Again, Allah Almighty didn't say مشرق الشمس sunrise, which is the term that counters مغرب الشمس sunset. مغرب is derived from غرب west. No, instead, the Almighty used مطلع الشمس. The Noble Verses were talking about near by lands to the North Pole.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
They almost spoke unintelligibly:
"...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا.
This perfectly fits the Vikings when they were considered barbarians. They were brute, uncivilized, very primitive, disconnected from other civilizations, and didn't have a fully developed and intelligible language. In fact, the word itself, barbarian, originates from Greek, and it means one who speaks unintelligibly:
1- "The word barbarian conjures up more forus than the original Greek notion of someone whose unintelligible non-Greek language sounds like “bar-bar-bar..." (Source)
2- Also from Indiana University: "....And finally, Maurice F. Hurley considers "Craft and Handiwork: Wood, Antler and Bone as an Everyday Material in Viking-Age Waterford and Cork," reminding us that most of the raw materials for urban crafts came from the surrounding hinterlands, even when these were marked by disparate political allegiances, mutually unintelligible languages or sharp differences in ethnicity...." (Source)
3- "So what happened in the Northern Isles?
I don’t think that the Picts were ‘absorbed’ in Viking Shetland, or Viking Orkney, ...... I don’t think the Picts were just ‘overwhelmed’, or ‘submerged’, as Wainwright put it, while continuing to practise their religion and speak an unintelligible language at home." (Source)
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St Augustine ndiye alikuwa Kungwi wa Mary ???
Regarding the Marriage of Mary to Joseph, Catholic Encyclopaedia ( CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Joseph), says:
"When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother"). A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place."
Note: That article on Catholic Encyclopaedia obtains its information from early
HABARI NDIO HII
In Jn. 7:3-5, we read:
Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
I saw none of the other apostles -- only James, the Lord's brother (Gal. 1:19 NIV).
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Hujajibu hoja.
Hujathibitisha Mungu yupo.
Hujaondoa contradiction katika dhana ya kuwepo huyo Mungu.
Kwa sababu hayupo.
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Hizo hoja zako zinafanya kusiwe na maana ya kuendelea kujadiliana tena na wewe maana ni kama unafunga mjadala,kwa mfano hapa hata nikikosea herufi moja tu kwenye kuandika,kwako wewe unaweza kusema kuwa huo ni ushahidi kuwa hakuna Mungu kwamba angekuwepo mie nisingekosea.
Kwa hoja kama hizo unategemea nitaendelea kujadili nini tena na wewe,yani kwako wewe hata huku kujadiliana tu ni kupoteza muda kwa maana haya majadiliano ushahidi kwamba Mungu hakuna.
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Ni kweli.
Makosa yoyote katika maisha yanaonesha Mungu mjuzi wa yote, mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote hayupo.
Angekuwepo, Mungu huyu hana sababu yoyote ya kuumba ulimwengu ambao makosa yanawezekana na ana kila sababu ya kuumba ulimwengu ambao makosa hayawezekani.
Hivyo, makosa yanaonesha Mungu huyu hayupo.
Hujaijibu hoja hii.
Ukisema hoja hii inafunga mjadala kwa namna ambayo wewe huwezi kujadiliana nami ni kweli.
Inafunga mjadala kwa sababu huwezi kuijibu.
Huwezi kuijibu kwa sababu ni ya kweli, Mungu wako hayupo.
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Hii kadi ya kliniki nani ataisoma [emoji15] [emoji12]The Glorious Quran is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
The sunsetless North Pole Quran-Miracle:
"Dhil Qarnayn" ذي القرنين in Noble Verse 18:83 means "one with the two horns". We read about his story in more details in Noble Verses 18:83-100:
Dhil = one with.
قرنين Qarnayn = two horns.
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
They also spoke unintelligibly, the Quran says. They hardly spoke intelligibly (18:93). Historians have proven that the Barbarians of the North used to speak unintelligibly. The description of the people of the North, whose North Pole is truly sunsetless (see ample pictures), perfectly fits the Barbarians of the Vikings in the Scandinavian and other Barbarians in the near by lands:
Only said for the sun-up:
Allah Almighty did not say that He made "no cover" for them from it for the sunset. He said it for the sun-up only, which further proves that indeed the sun being always up, in Noble Verse 18:90 below, is referring to a geographical area in the North, since so much geographical proofs, and 1000-year old maps below, also point to that location as well.
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." مطلع الشمس in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
Remember that they are located near where the sun never sets. In the north, no shade was made from it for them. It is almost always shining on them: لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. "We made no cover for them from it" (18:90). In other words, it never sets. Night almost never comes:
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Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul and grant him Paradise, - Ameen, - gave old Islamic maps (video) that date 1000+ old that estimate that Dhil Qarnayn reached all the way north, near the North Pole, where the sun is always up, and reached the Black Sea for sunset, the body of water that is dark and murky. The Black Sea is also not very far from the northern parts of Russia and the North Pole:
(Click to play video and to enlarge pictures)
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
They also almost spoke unintelligibly: "...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا. See the references below about the Vikings' language, and similar people of the North, when they were Barbarians. Historians precisely say they spoke unintelligibly [1].
In either case, the Glorious Quran is the Divine and Miraculous Book of Allah Almighty. The Holy Book is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets, and shown in this video. I also quoted the scientific sources from Wikipedia. Also in the lands near by, the sun almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands. See ample pictures.
*** Never mentioned for Sunset:
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." مطلع الشمس in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
- The Glorious Quran is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate.
Reaching Gog and Magog:
Allah Almighty in Noble Verses 18:83-100 mentioned three different geographic locations that Dhil Qarnayn marched to:
1- The place where the sun never sets.
2- The two barriers and a tribe from Gog and Magog.
3- The murky body of water that resembles an eye.
بلغ when used physically or geographically, it means reaching near the area/land, or in it. This is for Noble Verse 18:86. For example:
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
The hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
Let us now look at the top candidates for the body of water in Noble Verse 18:86:
1- Lake Issk Kul:
عين حمئة AYN HAME'AH in Noble Verse 18:86 means Murky and/or muddy water [1] [2] [3]. Some Muslims read it as AYN HAAMIYAH عين حامية, which means hot water [1]. This is based on Ibn Masood and Ibn Al-Zubayr's reading. See below. Interestingly, lake Issyk Kul, for example, which is shaped like an eye, and is murky and muddy, is also nicknamed the "hot lake" because it never freezes:
""Issyk-Kul" means "hot lake" in Kyrgyz, as it never freezes." (Source)
"Issyk Kul lake is the second-largest alpine lake in the world....and though temperatures do dip significanty in the winter, the lake never freezes. The reason for this is its high salt content, which has also endowed it with its name, which translates to ‘hot lake’." (Source, 2)
"About 118 rivers and streams flow into the lake; the largest are the Djyrgalan and Tyup. It is fed by springs, including many hot springs, and snow melt. The lake has no current outlet, but some hydrologists hypothesize[7] that the lake's water filters deep underground into the Chu River. The bottom of the lake contains the mineral monohydrocalcite: one of the few known lacustrine deposits." (Source)
حمئة is murky and/or muddy [1] [2] [3]. "وجَدها تَغْرُب في عَيْنٍ حَمِئةٍ، وقرأَ ابن مسعود وابن الزبير: حاميةٍ", translates as "He found it setting in a body of water that is HAME'AH حمئة , is read by Ibn Masood and Ibn Al-Zubayr as: HAAMIYAH حاميةٍ"
Why حمئة and not حاميةٍ:
The hotness of the lake here is symbolic, which is perhaps why Allah Almighty chose حمئة and not حامية, which the latter literally means "hot". So حمئة is symbolically hot, and it is actually murky and/or muddy. And Allah Almighty always Knows Best.
Lake Issyk Kul is indeed both murky and muddy [2]:
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Lake Issyk Kul here gives us a beautiful natural description on what the body of water that Dhil Qarnayn ذي القرنين and his army reached was like. It could very well be indeed lake Issyk Kul itself. Or it could be a similar body of water with similar features. Only Allah Almighty Knows.
2- The Black Sea:
Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul and grant him Paradise, - Ameen, - gave old Islamic maps (video) that date 1000+ old that estimate that Dhil Qarnayn reached all the way north, near the North Pole, where the sun is always up, and reached the Black Sea for sunset, the body of water that is dark and murky. The Black Sea is also not very far from the northern parts of Russia and the North Pole:
(Click to play video and to enlarge pictures)
"We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
They also almost spoke unintelligibly: "...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا. See the references below about the Vikings' language, and similar people of the North, when they were Barbarians. Historians precisely say they spoke unintelligibly [1].
At the top of the North Pole, the sun never sets, and shown in this video. I also quoted the scientific sources from Wikipedia. Also in the lands near by, the sun almost never sets either, and I quoted sources for that as well, and also showed pictures of the "polar night" skies on these lands. See ample pictures.
*** Thousands of Miracles:
In either case or in any case regarding Noble Verse 18:86's body of water, the Glorious Quran is the Divine and Miraculous Book of Allah Almighty. The Holy Book is filled with thousands of Numerical and Scientific Miracles. We have listed them here. So it should be of no surprise to anyone, at all, to see the Glorious Quran's description of the sun's rising and setting to be scientifically accurate, and very beautiful.
Regarding the two barriers and a tribe from Gog and Magog:
[018:094] They said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, verily, Gog and Magog are creating disorder in the earth; shall we then pay tribute on condition that thou set up a barrier between us and them ?'
The following historical account seems to describe this event accurately:
"The Gates of Alexander was a legendary barrier supposedly built by Alexander the Great in the Caucasus to keep the uncivilized barbarians of the north (typically associated with Gog and Magog [1]) from invading the land to the south. The gates were a popular subject in medieval travel literature, starting with the Alexander Romance in a version from perhaps the 6th century.
The wall, also known as the Caspian Gates, has been identified with two locations: the Pass of Derbent, Russia or with the Pass of Dariel, west of the Caspian Sea. Tradition also connects it to the Great Wall of Gorgan (Red Snake) on its south-eastern shore.
Historically, these fortifications were part of the defence lines built by Sasanians of Persia. The Great Wall of Gorgan may have been built by the Parthians.
The name Caspian Gates originally applied to the narrow region at the southeast corner of the Caspian Sea, through which Alexander actually marched in the pursuit of Bessus, although he did not stop to fortify it. It was transferred to the passes through the Caucasus, on the other side of the Caspian, by the more fanciful historians of Alexander.
Josephus, a Jewish historian in the 1st century, is known to have written of Alexander's gates, designed to be a barrier against the Scythians. According to this historian, the people whom the Greeks called Scythians were known (among the Jews) as Magogites, descendants of Magog in the Hebrew Bible. These references occur in two different works. The Jewish War states that the iron gates Alexander erected were controlled by the king of Hyrcania (on the south edge of the Caspian), and allowing passage of the gates to the Alans (whom Josephus considered a Scythic tribe) resulted in the sack of Media. Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews contains two relevant passages, one giving the ancestry of Scythians as descendants of Magog son of Japheth, and another that refers to the Caspian Gates being breached by Scythians allied to Tiberius during the Armenian War. [a][2]" (Source)
References:
1. Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius 8; Alexander Romance, epsilon recension 39.
a. Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 1.123 and 18.97; The Jewish War 7.244-51.
2. Bietenholz, Peter G. (1994). Historia and fabula: myths and legends in historical thought from antiquity to the modern age. Brill. ISBN 9004100636.
Historians and archeologists are now discovering that the ancient Vikings have discovered and reached vast lands on earth, including being the first to discover the lands of Canada and America. So there is so much that remains unknown about the Barbarians of the Vikings and other similar tribes from other nations.
Some of his stories:
Keep in mind that Allah Almighty began Noble Verses 18:83-100 by saying that He will tell us some of the stories of Dhil Qarnayn. So there is a lot more to Dhil Qarnayn and his people than what is mentioned in the Noble Verses:
ويسألونك عن ذي القرنين قل ساتلو عليكم منه ذكرا
[018:083] They ask thee concerning Dhil Qarnayn. Say, "I will rehearse to you something of his story منه ذكرا."
Key Words:
Allah Almighty in the Glorious Quran, in Noble Verses 18:83-100, said the following key Words about Dhul or Dhil Qarnayn:
بلغ when used physically or geographically, it means reaching near the area/land, or in it. This is for Noble Verse 18:86. For example:
- بلغ
- مطلع الشمس
- لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
- مغرب الشمس
- وجدها تغرب في عين حمئة
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
The hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
مطلع الشمس. Again, see ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
"Until he reached near حتى اذا بلغ where the sun is up مطلع الشمس, he found it above وجدها تطلع على people قوم whom We made no cover for them from it لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر. (The Noble Quran, 18:90)"
مطلع الشمس where the sun is up. It does not mean sunrise. In Arabic, sunrise is مشرق الشمس, where مشرق is derived from شرق east. See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunrise and sunset. مغرب الشمس is sunset. مغرب is derived from غرب west. But here, Allah Almighty used مطلع الشمس , which literally here means where the sun is always up. مطلع is derived from طلع which means going up, which is why some Muslims a few centuries after Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, believed that Dhul Qarnyn reached up north, not east. Late Dr. Mustafa Mahmoud, may Allah Almighty rest his soul, presented these maps.
See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunrise.
See ample examples from the Glorious Quran about sunset.
- See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
- "We made no cover...." was never mentioned for sunset. Only to "where the sun is up...." in Noble Verse 18:90, which further supports that "We made no cover...." is indeed talking about the Northern territories near the North Pole. See ample pictures of the sun never sets at the North Pole. See below.
Also, let us look at Noble Word طلع in depth:
طلع , which is what مطلع is derived from, means that something (the sun in our case here) appears from somewhere, such as from behind a big object, such as a chain of mountains or clouds, or when the sun is always up. For example:
- 97:1 انا انزلناه في ليلة القدر
97:2 وماادراك ماليلة القدر
97:3 ليلة القدر خير من الف شهر
97:4 تنزل الملائكة والروح فيها باذن ربهم من كل امر
97:5 سلام هي حتى مطلع الفجر
[097:001] We have indeed revealed this (Message) in the Night of Power:
[097:002] And what will explain to thee what the night of power is?
[097:003] The Night of Power is better than a thousand months.
[097:004] Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by God's permission, on every errand:
[097:005] Peace!...This until the rise مطلع of morn!
The Glorious Quran was sent in the Holy Month of Ramadan, and in the Night of Power. There is a special Peace and Blessing from Allah Almighty in this Night until the rise مطلع of the morn unto Mecca, the Holy place that the Glorious Quran was first sent down to and revealed in.
- 37:65 طلعها كانه رؤوس الشياطين
[037:065] The shoots of its fruit-stalks طلعها are like the heads of devils:
Here, the tree of Zaqqoom in Hell, will have shoots that will appear as the heads of the devils when it first appears to the infidels.
- 37:55 فاطلع فراه في سواء الجحيم
[037:055] He looked down فاطلع and saw him in the midst of the Fire.
At the Day of Judgment, Allah Almighty will allow the Believers to look down, from above, and see the punishment of the infidels. فاطلع here means Allah Almighty will let the believers take a peak from above.
- 104:5 وماادراك ماالحطمة
104:6 نار الله الموقدة
104:7 التي تطلع على الافئدة
[104:005] And what will explain to thee That which Breaks to Pieces?
[104:006] (It is) the Fire of (the Wrath of) God kindled (to a blaze),
[104:007] The which doth mount تطلع (Right) to the Hearts:
Here Hell Fire will overwhelm even the hearts of the disbelievers. It will be all over them.
- So when Allah Almighty Says:
18:90 حتى اذا بلغ مطلع الشمس وجدها تطلع على قوم لم نجعل لهم من دونها ستر
[018:090] Until, when he came to the rising of مطلع the sun, he found it rising on تطلع a people for whom We had provided no covering ستر against the sun.
Allah Almighty Said that Dhil Qarnayn reached near بلغ where the sun is up, or always up, and he saw it above people who don't have shade (night shade) ستر from it.
Balagha بلغ , here means getting close to the sunsetless point of the sun on earth.
Example:
اذ جاؤوكم من فوقكم ومن اسفل منكم واذا زاغت الابصار وبلغت القلوب الحناجر وتظنون بالله الظنونا
[033:010] When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes grew wild and the hearts reached (بلغت balaghat) to the throats, and you were harbouring doubts about Allah.
Again, the hearts didn't literally reach the throats. بلغ is clearly metaphoric, and it means coming near to. Ample other examples from the Glorious Quran on بلغ Balagha at: www.answering-christianity.com/sunrise_sunset.htm#balagha
The sun never sets at the North Pole:
"The midnight sun is a natural phenomenon that occurs in the summer months in places north of the Arctic Circle or south of the Antarctic Circle, when the sun remains visible at the local midnight. Around the summer solstice (approximately 21 June in the Northern Hemisphere and 22 December in the Southern Hemisphere), the sun is visible for the full 24 hours, given fair weather. The number of days per year with potential midnight sun increases the closer towards either pole one goes. Although approximately defined by the polar circles, in practice the midnight sun can be seen as much as 55 miles (90 km) outside the polar circle, as described below, and the exact latitudes of the farthest reaches of midnight sun depend on topography and vary slightly year-to-year." (Source)
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Polar Nights in lands near by the North Pole:
"While the Sun doesn't rise above the horizon, it does come close to doing so. Instead of the pitch black many imagine it to be like, you get a blue light much of the time during the days of the polar night." (Sources: 1, 2)
"Polar night on Nordkinn Peninsula in Norway, mainland Europe's northernmost peninsula." (Sources: 1, 2)
Polar nights in the Arctic Circle. Click on image.
Sources: 1, 2
Again, Allah Almighty didn't say مشرق الشمس sunrise, which is the term that counters مغرب الشمس sunset. مغرب is derived from غرب west. No, instead, the Almighty used مطلع الشمس. The Noble Verses were talking about near by lands to the North Pole.
- See also the 1000s of examples of the Glorious Quran's Stunning Numerical and Scientific Miracles.
- Allah Almighty Said that He will show the latter generations these Miracles to prove that the Quran is from Him.
They almost spoke unintelligibly:
"...people who almost spoke unintelligibly" (18:93) لايكادون يفقهون قولا.
This perfectly fits the Vikings when they were considered barbarians. They were brute, uncivilized, very primitive, disconnected from other civilizations, and didn't have a fully developed and intelligible language. In fact, the word itself, barbarian, originates from Greek, and it means one who speaks unintelligibly:
1- "The word barbarian conjures up more forus than the original Greek notion of someone whose unintelligible non-Greek language sounds like “bar-bar-bar..." (Source)
2- Also from Indiana University: "....And finally, Maurice F. Hurley considers "Craft and Handiwork: Wood, Antler and Bone as an Everyday Material in Viking-Age Waterford and Cork," reminding us that most of the raw materials for urban crafts came from the surrounding hinterlands, even when these were marked by disparate political allegiances, mutually unintelligible languages or sharp differences in ethnicity...." (Source)
3- "So what happened in the Northern Isles?
I don’t think that the Picts were ‘absorbed’ in Viking Shetland, or Viking Orkney, ...... I don’t think the Picts were just ‘overwhelmed’, or ‘submerged’, as Wainwright put it, while continuing to practise their religion and speak an unintelligible language at home." (Source)
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Mkuu:
Ninaona hatari moja katika baadhi ya waumini wa Kiislamu.Kwamba ninyi munajitahidi kuinyoosha Kurani kwa kuipa ujumbe mwingine zaidi hata ya Muhammad alivyokusudia.Alexander the Great alifariki miaka mia tatu kabla Yesu hajaliwa na Miaka 800 kabla Muhammad hajazaliwa.Ilikuwaje watu wamuulize Muhammad habari za Dhul-Qarnaini (Alexander the Great).Ni lini Muhammmad alionana na Alexander the Great?
Nani amekwambia Dhulqarnayn ndio Alexander the Great ? Nipe ushahidi.
Mayahudi waliwaamnia maqurayshi wakamuulize mtume Muhammad kuhusu habari za mja mwema huyo,ili wapate kumsadikisha kama kweli yeye ni mjumbe wa Allah.
Kuhusu tafsiri ya Qur'an siku zote iko vile vile. Tatizo nyinyi huwa hamsomi tafsiri za aya za Qur'an na wala hamjui mtazipata wapi,ndio maaana mnakosea sana.
Sasa ukitaka kujishughulisha na Qur'an mzee inabidi utenge muda usome tena usome hasa,ila kwa kuperuzi na kuendekeza chuki lazima utaangukia pua.
Na kaa ukijua hakuna wa kuichallange Qur'an na hatotokea sababu Qur'an imekamilika.
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Uelewa ni kwamba Allah aliandika hayo yaliyomo katika Kurani na kisha kumpatia Malaika Jibrili ili naye ampatie Muhammad.Sasa unaposema kwamba Muhammad aliwaambia wakosoaji wake kwamba yeye hajaandika Kurani,maneno hayo yako wapi? Yako katika Kurani au wapi? Kama maneno hayo yako ndani ya Kurani, inawezekanaje tena maneno hayo yawe ya Allah na siyo Muhammad?Kwa maneno yako, ina maana Kurani ina maneno ya aina mbili,ya Allah na Muhammad?
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