Nyerere Against Islam in Zanzibar and Tanganyika

[Mohamed Said]

Nianze kwa kuweka sawa msemo ''hana doa''. Hapa nilimaanisha kuwa angeandika mtu mwingine zaidi ya Mwislam basi ingeshakuwa doa ya kuwa anapindisha historia kuwadhulumu waislam. Yeye ni Mwislam kama wengine na wala sikuongelea uumini wake kwasababu nia ya mja anaijua mwenyezi mungu peke yake.

Mohamed, Mzee Nasor Moyo katika mada zake nyingi amekuwa kifanyia reference ''mimi ni mwanapinduzi'' na pale bwawani mwezi oktoba 2012 aliuliza nani anayajua mapinduzi zaidi yake.

Karume alikuwa na kauli za mapinduzi kama ilivyokuwa kwa jumbe, Mwinyi, Salim, Abdul Wakili, Thabiti Kombo Jecha, Aman Karume, Abdallah Natepe n.k.
Swali hapa ni kuwa je, hawa wote walikuwa vibaraka wa Mwalimu Nyerere?

Sijajua umekusudia nini hapa.
Hii ni taarifa kwangu au unataka niseme kitu?

 

[Mohamed Said]

Nani kasema Okello katumwa na Nyerere?

 

[Nguruvi3]

Sijajua umekusudia nini hapa.
Hii ni taarifa kwangu au unataka niseme kitu?

Nilichokusudia hapa ni kusema hivi, Karume, Nasor Moyo, Salim, Abdul Wakili, Abdallah Natepe, Salimin Amour, Aman Karume hawa wote wamekuwa wanatukuza mapinduzi.

Kwa mujibu wako, mapinduzi hayakutokana na umma party au ASP.
Je, hao niliowataja ni vibaraka waliotimiza kazi ya Nyerere iliyoanzia Kipumbwi? straight foward Mohamed!

 

[Joste]

Nimeona umenitukana.
Hata hivyo nitakujibu.

Mimi kila nilichoandika kuhusu Nyerere nina ushahidi.
Kitabu changu "The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes..." kimechapwa London mwaka 1998.

Nyerere yu hai na alikisoma.
Sikusuburi afe ndiyo nizungumze habari zake.

Naona unazeeka vibaya. Haya mambo ya Udini unaendekeza kwa nini.... mbona kichwa ngumu sana wewe .... pumbafu

 

[Ndahani]

mnasubiri afe ndio mumshambulie, people like Mohamed Said are simply spineless b.astards/

And some fools also think that, in digging Nyerere's grave they would find their lost treasures.

 

[Nguruvi3]

Mohamed Said,
Nimekuuliza maswali unajitahidi sana kuyakwepa hata hivyo nitaendelea kuuliza tu na umma utaamua

Dec 10 1963 wakati Zanzibar ikipata Uhuru kiongozi wa chama cha Umma Party, marhum Abdurahaman Babu alisema maneno yafuatayo "Salaam kwa Wazanzibari na wapenda haki wote. Umma Party na Wazanzibari kwa ujumla, wanasubiri kunyakua utawala wa nchi na kuuweka mikononi mwao saa itakapowadia''

1. Je, Abdurahaman alikusudia nini? na ni kweli au si kweli aliyasema maneno hayo?

2. Kwa vile umesema Mapinduzi ni pandikizi la Mwalimu Nyerere lililoanzia Kipumbwi hadi siku ''makomredi walipoingia na kumkuta mwali keshaenda kwa bwana'' na kwa ukweli kuwa takriban miaka 48 Zanzibar imekuwa inasherehekea mapinduzi kama itakavyokuwa jumamosi ya Jan 12 2013

a) Ungepata nafasi ya kuongea na WZNZ ungewaambia nini kuhusu siku hiyo kwa upande wa historia uijauayo?
b) Je kuna ulazima wa kuwa na siku hiyo.

3. Kwa vile mapinduzi ni pandikizi la Nyerere na ukristo dhidi ya Uislam visiwani, viongozi wanaojinasibu kama wana mapinduzi unawaweka katika nafasi ipi ya uzalendo katika Zanzibar

 

[Ngongo]

Mkuu Mohamed Said nafurahia sana michango yako tatizo langu kwako ni kwanini mabandiko yako yote yamejikita kwenye udini.Tafadhali Sheikh wangu jiepushe na mijadala inayochochea utengano wa kidini,kikanda na kikabila.

Ndugu yangu usinitie unyonge.
Kuingia kwangu kunakuudhi au kunakufurahisha?

Ikiwa hupendezewi basi nitajitoa.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mkuu Mohamed Said nafurahia sana michango yako tatizo langu kwako ni kwanini mabandiko yako yote yamejikita kwenye udini.Tafadhali Sheikh wangu jiepushe na mijadala inayochochea utengano wa kidini,kikanda na kikabila.

Maana ya udini ni kutaka dini yako ineemeke dhidi ya dini nyingine.

Mimi si mdini ila mimi nimeandika kitabu kuiokoa historia ya Waislam ambayo
ilikuwa imefutwa.

Kama ndugu yangu unaona hilo ni udini basi ni bahati mbaya sana.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Mohamed Said,
Nimekuuliza maswali unajitahidi sana kuyakwepa hata hivyo nitaendelea kuuliza tu na umma utaamua

Dec 10 1963 wakati Zanzibar ikipata Uhuru kiongozi wa chama cha Umma Party, marhum Abdurahaman Babu alisema maneno yafuatayo "Salaam kwa Wazanzibari na wapenda haki wote. Umma Party na Wazanzibari kwa ujumla, wanasubiri kunyakua utawala wa nchi na kuuweka mikononi mwao saa itakapowadia''

1. Je, Abdurahaman alikusudia nini? na ni kweli au si kweli aliyasema maneno hayo?

2. Kwa vile umesema Mapinduzi ni pandikizi la Mwalimu Nyerere lililoanzia Kipumbwi hadi siku ''makomredi walipoingia na kumkuta mwali keshaenda kwa bwana'' na kwa ukweli kuwa takriban miaka 48 Zanzibar imekuwa inasherehekea mapinduzi kama itakavyokuwa jumamosi ya Jan 12 2013

a) Ungepata nafasi ya kuongea na WZNZ ungewaambia nini kuhusu siku hiyo kwa upande wa historia uijauayo?
b) Je kuna ulazima wa kuwa na siku hiyo.

3. Kwa vile mapinduzi ni pandikizi la Nyerere na ukristo dhidi ya Uislam visiwani, viongozi wanaojinasibu kama wana mapinduzi unawaweka katika nafasi ipi ya uzalendo katika Zanzibar

Swali la kwanza lingestahili kujibiwa na Babu mwenyewe. Mimi sijui kusudio lake labda nikisie tu.
Swali la pili. Sijatumia neno pandikizi wala Nyerere. Nilichosema ni kuwa makomredi hawakupindua
waliingia kazini siku ya pili.
a) Sina la kuwaambia
b) Huo ni uamuzi wa Wazanzibari wenyewe

Swali la tatu la uzalendo hilo ni swali lijibiwe na Wazanzibari wenyewe

 

[Mohamed Said]

And some fools also think that, in digging Nyerere's grave they would find their lost treasures.

Kitabu changu (1998) na mengi kabla ya kitabu kama series nilizokuwa naandika katika Africa Events (1988 - 1993) Nyerere alikuwa hai.

Sikungojea afe ili niandike historia ya Tanganyika.
Ikiwa utapenda ushahidi hebu katika jukwaa hili hili search ''Africa Events'' utakuta posting zangu.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Nilichokusudia hapa ni kusema hivi, Karume, Nasor Moyo, Salim, Abdul Wakili, Abdallah Natepe, Salimin Amour, Aman Karume hawa wote wamekuwa wanatukuza mapinduzi.

Kwa mujibu wako, mapinduzi hayakutokana na umma party au ASP.
Je, hao niliowataja ni vibaraka waliotimiza kazi ya Nyerere iliyoanzia Kipumbwi? straight foward Mohamed!

Kwa nini unashikilia nikupe jibu?

Au umeniweka katika kundi la wapinga mapinduzi?

Kwa hali yoyote ile hali ya siasa duniani na Afrika ya Mashariki kwa
ujumla isingeweza kukubaliana na usultani Zanzibar.

Iko siku ingebidi waondolewe tu.

 

[Mohamed Said]

Naona unazeeka vibaya. Haya mambo ya Udini unaendekeza kwa nini.... mbona kichwa ngumu sana wewe .... pumbafu

Hebu waza hata kwa sekunde moja.

Baada ya wewe kunitukana na mie ningelikurudishia tusi kama lako
au zaidi ya lako.

Kwanza ungejisikiaje.
Pili huu ukumbi wa Great Thinkers ungekuwa katika hali gani.

Hapana haja ya wewe kutukana.
Hapa tunashindanisha hoja na kwa kweli ni mfano wa baraza
watu wemekaa wanazungumza.

Tofauti ya hapa ni computer zetu ndizo zinasema wakati barazani
tunaonana.

Ondoa ghadhabu haya ni mazungumzo tu hapa haja ya uadui.

 

[mdogo mtu]

kwel mohamed the facts speak by themselves, kama umetoa ushahd na bado m2 anatukana badala ya kujibu hoja

 

[mdogo mtu]

kwel mohamed the facts speak by themselves, kama umetoa ushahd na bado m2 anatukana badala ya kujibu hoja

 

[cyberspace]

Ikiwa hupendi darsa zangu sitakuudhi.
Nieleze nami sitachangia.

:A S cry: Yaani we Mzee mimi sikupendi basi tu

 

[assuredly4]

Kwakuwa article ni ndefu na inaweza kuwasumbua watumiaji wa simu, ukiweza bofya hapa Mwalimu Nyerere - Articles, Transcripts and Legacies | Nyerere Against Islam in Zanzibar and Tanganyika

Lakini inshort, yaliyopo kwenye article hiyo baadhi yake ni haya

When the former Tanzanian President Julius Kambarage Nyerere made the above address to his National Assembly that "the union between Zanzibar and Tanganyika is the most misunderstood aspects of Tanzanian's political development" proved that he is the only Tanzanian who knows "the manner and the implications of the union" after British colonialism in East Africa.

During the British colonialism, Zanzibar was the only intellectual center for Islamization of East African countries under the Zanzibar Sultanate. The Gofu and the Barza Mosques allowed students from the East African countries for the Islamic education. The Zanzibar Muslim Academy also offered the greatest hope for the vibrancy of Islam in East Africa.

Nyerere, a devout Catholic saw that the Islamic Zanzibar state, a threat to Christianity. He masterminded a clandestine movement for the so called Zanzibar Revolution under the leadership of John Okello, a radical Christian from Uganda. It was not only a prelude to the creation of Tanzania, but a continuation of crusade against Islam and extension of Christian colonialism.


When Zanzibar gained independence on December 10, 1963 from the British government, it became a member of the Commonwealth nations. It joined the United Nations on December 16, 1963 and was represented by Hilal bin Muhammed bin Hilal. But when the new Zanzibar Government declared to form the model of the Islamic State, it was orchestrated by Afro-Christian Crusaders as reincarnation of Arabisation and revivalism of Islamization.

They invaded Zanzibar in the midnight of January 11, 1964 under the self-appointed "Field Mashal" John Okello, a militant Christian from Uganda. The objective of the Zanzibar revolution was a Crusade against Islam as Okello stated in his book entitled Revolution in Zanzibar that God appointed him to make revolution for the sake of Christianity. He then quoted the following Biblical passage for his justifications:

kwani tangu Zanzibar ianze kujitawala ni nani Mkristo aliwahi kuwa Rais au waziri au Katibu Mkuu au Kushika cheo cha maana zanzibar, ondoeni udini wenu, hautusaidii zaidi ya kutupotezea muda

 

[Kilbark]

[SIZE=3]Iko siku hizi kauli za kupandikiza na kupandikizwa zitakuja warudia wenyewe. Ni kama mtu ambaye anatoboa jahazi kwa chini akidhani anazamisha kundi fulani la watu. Mwishowe jahazi linazama na mwenyewe akiwamo. Hakuna kitu kisichokuwa na mapungufu ila naona haya mambo yamekuzwa sana na baadhi ya watu wenye malengo ya muda mrefu.Itafikia siku na siku hiyo imefika tutaanza kutambuana kwa dini zetu na hii ni  sumu hatari inayotumaliza tukijiona. Watu kama hawa tunao na tunawajua. Siku tukishauana ndio tunaanza kuwataja wanapelekwa mahakama ya mkoloni THE HAGUE. We need to fish them out. Hatuwahitaji watu wanao hatarisha amani ya nchi kwa kigezo cha udini, Uzanzibari na Kumkashifu Mwalimu Nyerere. Kama unaitaka Zanzibari anza na familia yako anza na mkeo. Onyesha mfano sio kulishana sumu. Watu wameacha kufanya kazi za maendeleo kisa Uzanzibari. Huyo Karume mwenyewe kwa taarifa yako hakuwa Mzanzibari alikuwa mhamiaji kutoka Malawi. Ila kama unajisikia kutoa maoni yenye sumu na chuki endelea na mwisho wake utauona. [/SIZE]

 

[KAPONGO]

Nimeona umenitukana.
Hata hivyo nitakujibu.

Mimi kila nilichoandika kuhusu Nyerere nina ushahidi.
Kitabu changu "The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes..." kimechapwa London mwaka 1998.

Nyerere yu hai na alikisoma.
Sikusuburi afe ndiyo nizungumze habari zake.

Mkuu kejeli km hizo zisikukatishe tamaa kwani kujitambua kwetu na kukataa kwetu kuendelea kudunishwa, kupuuzwa na kudharirishwa ni pigo kwao waliozoea kubebwa. Hivi sasa hakuna mwenye akili asiyefahamu kuwa manamba wa mashamba ya mkonge ya Tanga ndio walioandaliwa na nyerere, kuvamia zanzibar, kufanya mauaji ya kimbari na kisha kupindua dola.Kisa kudhibiti kuenea kwa uislam afrika mashariki na kukuza ustawi wa ukristo hususan wa kikatoliki.

 

[Ngagarupalu]

Ndugu yangu kuhusu kufanya mahojiano na wanamapinduzi wengine kama alivyofanya Ahmed Rajab mimi nimezungumza na baadhi kama alivyofanya Ahmed Rajab.

Siyakanushi maandishi ya Ahmed Rajab ila ninalosema ni kuwa huo ni upande anojua yeye.
Uko upande mwingine ambao yeye huenda haujui kabisa na kwa kweli si wengi wenye kuujua.

Hadi leo ukiwatajia huo upande mwingine wa mwezi watakanusha.
Mimi naelewa kwa nini wanakanusha.

Ni hulka ya binadamu kuiogopa fedheha au kuikubali aibu ya kusutwa.

Upande huu mwingine ulitakiwa usijulikane kabisa.

Nitakuwekea hapa kwa mukhtasari.

Kuna ''connection'' ya Wayahudi, silaha kutoka Algeria ambazo zilipokelewa Tanganyika, kuna jeshi la mamluki wa Kimakonde kutoka Kipumbwi katika mapinduzi ya Zanzibar.

Nitakufahamisha kitu kimoja.
Hadi kufika asubuhi serikali ya Jamshid ilikuwa ishaangushwa.

Makomredi waliingia siku ya pili asubuhi si wao waliopiga pigo la kwanza.
Waliingia asubuhi kucheza ngoma uwanjani mwali keshatolewa ndani na keshapekekwa kwa mumewe.

Hii ndiyo sababu hadi leo hakuna comrade hata mmoja aliyethubutu kunyanyua kalamu
kuandika kuhusu historia ya mapinduzi ya Zanzibar.

Kwa kumaliza ningependa kusema kuwa naamini hiyo kauli yako ya ''data'' hukukusudia kunitisha na data
bali ni kunogesha maandishi yako.

La ikiwa kusudio ni kuniwekea vitisho vya data ahlan wasaalan.
Mimi naogopa kitu kimoja tu.

Matusi.

Ama kuhusu hilo la Ahmed Rajab kutokuwa na ''doa'' la dini sijui unakusudia nini khasa.
Kuwa hana mapenzi na Uislam au kitu gani?

Hapo kwenye red, Mohamed Said, akiulizwa, na wakati wajibu, yeye hutoa upande ambao wengine hawajausema. Swali kwanini wewe ujue kile tu ambacho hata waliokuwepo hawajakisema? ila kwamba hawataki kukisema? unaweza sema kwa nini Ahmed Rajab na wengine wasiandike juu ya hao wamakonde wako?
Ni historia gni wewe unajua pekee yako?

 

[Mohamed Said]

Hapo kwenye red, Mohamed Said, akiulizwa, na wakati wajibu, yeye hutoa upande ambao wengine hawajausema. Swali kwanini wewe ujue kile tu ambacho hata waliokuwepo hawajakisema? ila kwamba hawataki kukisema? unaweza sema kwa nini Ahmed Rajab na wengine wasiandike juu ya hao wamakonde wako?
Ni historia gni wewe unajua pekee yako?

Hilo swali ulilouliza hata mimi hujiuliza.
Iweje Mungu anipe hidaya hii ya kujua mambo na kuweza kuyaandika.

Kuyaandika kiasi cha wasomi wengine kuyathamini na kunialika vyuoni kwao nikazungumze.
Ninachoweza kufanya ni kumshukuru Allah kwa ukarimu wake.

Hebu nisome hapa chini kwa uchache huenda tukafahamiana:

One day Nabwa told me how Abdulaziz Twala met his death. I was stunned. I told Nabwa that Twala and Jaha Ubwa were friends of my father. In our sitting room on the wall there was a photograph of my father and Twala posing together. When my father got information that his friend Twala had been killed he removed the photo from the wall and I never saw that photo again.

And from that day for whatever reason if he had to mention Twala or Jaha Ubwa even among his friends my father whispered. I was very young at that time to understand the fear which the atrocities in Zanzibar had instilled into many people including my father to the extent that he thought unwise even to retain whatever memories he had of his late friends and be scared stiff to even mention Twala's name or that of Jaha Ubwa in public.

The day Nabwa related to me the story of Kassim Hanga and the barbaric way he was killed, he brought back memories of the man as I knew him in 1960s. I told Nabwa that as a young boy of about 12 years of age I knew Hanga from a distance because he used to come to the neighbourhood were we lived to play ‘bao.' At that time Hanga was minister in the Union Government. I can't even count the times I saw Hanga at Gogo junction with Mchikichi Street sitting on a mat playing the traditional game of ‘bao' with very common people.

I told Nabwa I was there among the crowd at Mnazi Mmoja Grounds in front of Arnautoglo Hall when Hanga was taken from Ukonga Prison and brought to a public rally in which Nyerere jeered, ridiculed and humbled him publicly. Hanga head bowed and his bespectacled face full of beard sat there in the scorching sun silently wallowing in his humiliation. That was the last time Hanga was seen in public.

(Inatoka kwenye orbituary niliyomwandikia Ali Nabwa na ikachapwa na The East African)

Huyu ndiyo mimi na hao niliowataja ndiyo watu waliokuwa kwenye duru ya marehemu baba yangu watu ambao walikuja kutengeneza historia na mustakbali wa Zanzibar kama tuijuavyo leo.

Umeniuliza iweje nijue mambo ambayo wengine hawayajui?
Jibu lipo katika historia ya wazee wangu walionileta duniani
katika kipindi kile nikashuhudia yote kwa macho yangu mwenyewe.