Nanren
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I have realized that you can't be changed by TRUTH even when the facts negate what you think you you know!
So stick to what you THINK is the truth to you pal!
Naongea nilichokishuhudia na sio kukisikia au kukisoma. Nilikuwepo, jee wewe ulikuwepo?
haijalishi kama nampenda au simpendi Nyerere. I am actually neutral kwenye ishu ya Nyerere. Hizo contribution za Nyerere unazosema katika bara la Africa si uziandike hapa tusome. Mbona unazitaja juu juu tu? weka data kama unazo. Au utadai pia na hizo 'west' walichakachua?
Aliyekuwa mwiba wa siasi za kibepari ni nani zaidi kati ya hawa wawili Che Guevera au Nyerere? Now how would you compare the two katika u-mwiba wao?
Ivi siasi ya kupora wananchi mali zao ni haki? Nyerere alizuia maendeleo sana katika hii nchi. Ivi kweli tunasahau watu kupanga foleni kwa ajili ya sabuni? Sabuni yenyewe ni ile ya mche!! Ukitoka Kenya mpakani unapekuliwa kama nini, na usikutwe na sabuni au toilet paper. Ivi kweli mtu mwenye sera za kijinga ivyo utaweza kumwelewa? He simply had pathetic economical policies.
Further, wewe hata siku moja usijaribu kujifananisha na Kenya. Kenya wametuacha mbali mno kiuchumi na kielimu. Na walitupiga gap kubwa kutokana na hizo sera za Nyerere. Ivi unaweza kunitajia wasomi wakubwa watano Tanzania ambao ni product ya system ya Nyerere.People who have actually done something in Tanzania? Actually nipe mmoja tu...Born and Bread in Tanzania. Kikwete is a classical example of Nyerere's products katika sera yake ya elimu. Ona jinsi alivyo hovyo. Na kutokana na ujinga mwingi uliokithiri Tanzania, ambao umejengwa na sera za Nyerere hakuna mtu anayeweza kuona haja ya mabadiliko. Akili zimepumbazwa na proganda kibao kama 'zidumu sera za mwenyekiti', nk.
Sijasema kuwa tuzo haina upendeleo. Lakini nasema Nyerere did not deserve it!!
I have realized that you can't be changed by TRUTH even when the facts negate what you think you you know!
So stick to what you THINK is the truth to you pal!
Hujajibu swali, Jee wewe ulikuwepo wakati wa nyerere?
kumbukumbu zangu zinanituma kuamini hivyo. Katika afrika ni wachache wamewahi kupata tuzo hii yenye hadhi nadhani kushinda zote. Kapata mandela, tutu, wathari, n.k. Nyerere hakuwa na mchango unaostahili hii tunzo? Tunahitaji kufahamu hili toka kwa wajuvi
Albert John Lutuli (commonly spelled Luthuli;[1] c. 1898 – 21 July 1967), also known by his Zulu name Mvumbi, was a South African teacher and politician. Lutuli was elected president of the African National Congress (ANC), at the time an umbrella organisation that led opposition to the white minority government in South Africa. He was awarded the 1960 Nobel Peace Prize for his role in the non-violent struggle against apartheid. He was the first African, and the first person from outside Europe and the Americas, to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Muhammad Anwar Al Sadat (Arabic: محمد أنور السادات‎ Muḥammad Anwar as-Sādāt, Egyptian Arabic pronunciation: [mæˈħæmmæd ˈʔɑnwɑɾˤ essæˈdæːt]; 25 December 1918 – 6 October 1981) was the third President of Egypt, serving from 15 October 1970 until his assassination by fundamentalist army officers on 6 October 1981. He was a senior member of the Free Officers group that overthrew the Muhammad Ali Dynasty in the Egyptian Revolution of 1952, and a close confidant of President Gamal Abdel Nasser, whom he succeeded as President in 1970.
In his eleven years as president he changed Egypt's direction, departing from some of the economic and political principles of Nasserism by re-instituting the multi-party system and launching the Infitah.
He led the Yom Kippur War of 1973 against Israel, making him a hero in Egypt and, for a time, throughout the Arab World. Afterwards he engaged in negotiations with Israel, culminating in the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. This won him the Nobel Peace Prize but also made him unpopular among some Arabs, resulting in a temporary suspension of Egypt's membership in the Arab League,[1][2][3][4] and eventually his assassination.
The Most Rev. Dr. Desmond Mpilo Tutu (born 7 October 1931) is a South African activist and Christian cleric who rose to worldwide fame during the 1980s as an opponent of apartheid. He was the first black South African Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town, South Africa, and primate of the Church of the Province of Southern Africa (now the Anglican Church of Southern Africa). Archbishop Tutu has been active in the defense of human rights and uses his high profile to campaign for the oppressed. He has campaigned to fight AIDS, tuberculosis, homophobia, transphobia, poverty and racism. Tutu received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1984, the Albert Schweitzer Prize for Humanitarianism in 1986, the Gandhi Peace Prize in 2005,[1] and the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2009. Tutu has also compiled several books of his speeches and sayings.
Gonga hapa
Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela (Xhosa pronunciation: [xoˈliːɬaɬa manˈdeːla]; born 18 July 1918)[1] served as President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999, and was the first South African president to be elected in a fully representative democratic election. Before his presidency, Mandela was an anti-apartheid activist, and the leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the African National Congress (ANC). In 1962 he was arrested and convicted of sabotage and other charges, and sentenced to life in prison. Mandela served 27 years in prison, spending many of these years on Robben Island. Following his release from prison on 11 February 1990, Mandela led his party in the negotiations that led to multi-racial democracy in 1994. As president from 1994 to 1999, he frequently gave priority to reconciliation.
In South Africa, Mandela is often known as Madiba, his Xhosa clan name; or as tata (Xhosa: father).[2] Mandela has received more than 250 awards over four decades, including the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize.
Kofi Atta Annan (/kəʊfɪ ɑˈnɑn/;born 8 April 1938) is a Ghanaian diplomat who served as the seventh Secretary-General of the United Nations from 1 January 1997 to 31 December 2006. Annan and the United Nations were the co-recipients of the 2001 Nobel Peace Prize for his founding the Global AIDS and Health Fund to support developing countries in their struggle to care for their people
Wangari Muta Maathai (born April 1, 1940 in Ihithe village, Tetu division, Nyeri District of Kenya) is a Kenyan environmental and political activist. She was educated in the United States at Mount St. Scholastica and the University of Pittsburgh, as well as the University of Nairobi in Kenya. In the 1970s, Maathai founded the Green Belt Movement, an environmental non-governmental organization focused on the planting of trees, environmental conservation, and women's rights. In 1984, she was awarded the Right Livelihood Award, and in 2004, she became the first African woman to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for "her contribution to sustainable development, democracy and peace." Maathai was an elected member of Parliament and served as Assistant Minister for Environment and Natural Resources in the government of President Mwai Kibaki between January 2003 and November 2005.
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Gonga hapa
Why not Mwalimu too?
Unabwabwaja kiswahili hapa sababu ya nyerere kuondoa ukanda la sivyo ungeandika kimakonde. Haya, mkapa kafanya nini kuondoa umasikini kusini?Lakini wakuu kwani zaidi ya propaganda zinazofanywa humu ndani ya nchi na baadhi ya watu kumtukuza kwa malengo maalumu amefanya nini cha maana. Maana hata kule kwetu mikoa ya kusini Mwalimu Nyerere hakubaliki kabisa maana alibomoa uchumi wa kusini na pia kusababisha umasikini wa hali ya juu mafanikio makubwa yaliyokuwa yamefikiwa kabla ya uhuru aliyaporomosha kupitia nadharia zake za Vijiji vya ujamaa, Azimio la Arusha, mara sijuwi Ulanguzi. Kwa kweli simkubali kabisa Huyu Marehemu JK Nyerere na nikisikia kiongozi yeyote wa chama chochote kile cha siasa au taasisi yoyote ile akitaja maneno yake tu basi najua ni mbabaishaji.
Kimataifa sifa aliyonayo nadhani ni ya ubishi na kupenda kupigana hii niliisikia huko nchi za asia niliambiwa baada ya kueleza kuwa natokea Tanzania.
Kwa kweli kipengere cha kumpatia hiyo Nobel hakipo maana hakuna WaTz huko kwenye Jopo la majaji.
Just goes to show you how worthless these awards are. Yule nut Waathari ilikuwa wakati wa mambo ya gender balance pamoja na environmentalism, wakatafuta Mwanamke muafrika (disgraceful conspiracy theorist), we unaenda kumpa zawadi De Klerk? baada ya ubaguzi wote? Na Mandela kuikubali zawadi kawa sellout. Mwenzake Le Duc Tho wa Vietnam ya Kaskazini enzi hizo alipewa tuzo ya amani ya Nobel pamoja na Dr. Henry Kissinger, mchizi akaikataa kwa kuona ni uzushi tu.
Obama kapewa tuzo kabla hata ya kufanya chochote substantial.
Tuzo yenyewe politics tupu, bora hata alivyokosa kaenda kujiunga na kina Gandhi huko.
"To be Noble" si lazima uwe na mlolongo wa mambo uliyoyafanya, moja tu linatosha kukufanya uwe "noble" na upate tuzo hiyo. Nyerere hana hata hilo moja na wala hawajakosea:
Obama: Kuukwaa uRais tu wa Merekani kumetosha kumpatia hiyo tuzo.
Mandela: Kusamehe
De Klerk: Kumwachia Mandela
Kissinger: Kusaidia kuondowa "cold war" na mihangaiko ya kuwatafutia amani wayahudi.
And so on and so forth.
Nyerere: Nil
Angojee utakatifu kwa kusaidia mfumo kiristo Tanzania, hana zaidi.
kwa hawa wadau wanaompinga Nyerere wanaweza kutuambia iweje viongozi wote nchini hufanya nukuu zao toka kwa Mwalimu pindi wanapohutubia ama kutafuta kukubalika?
"To be Noble" si lazima uwe na mlolongo wa mambo uliyoyafanya, moja tu linatosha kukufanya uwe "noble" na upate tuzo hiyo. Nyerere hana hata hilo moja na wala hawajakosea:
Obama: Kuukwaa uRais tu wa Merekani kumetosha kumpatia hiyo tuzo.
Mandela: Kusamehe
De Klerk: Kumwachia Mandela
Kissinger: Kusaidia kuondowa "cold war" na mihangaiko ya kuwatafutia amani wayahudi.
And so on and so forth.
Nyerere: Nil
Angojee utakatifu kwa kusaidia mfumo kiristo Tanzania, hana zaidi.
Mwalimu hakutunukiwa hiyo nishani ya Nobel kwasababu ya msimamo wake thabiti juu ya ukombozi wa bara la Africa; wazungu hawakupenda sana misimamo yake hasa aliposimama kidete dhidi ya Ian Smith alipojitangazia Uhuru kule Zimbabwe, kwa kumsaidia sana kwa hali na mali Mugabe na ZANU yake; pia msimamo wake dhidi ya makaburu wa Afrika Kusini na sera zao za ubaguzi zilimfanya MWALIMU atumie muda wake mwingi kuwasaidia wakina Oliver Tambo wakati huo na chama chao cha ANC. Harakati zote hizi za kumkomboa mwafrika hazikuwapendeza wazungu{ waswede wanaotoa Nobel] kwani nyuma ya pazia walikuwa ni supporters wakubwa wa APARTHEID!!
kwa hawa wadau wanaompinga Nyerere wanaweza kutuambia iweje viongozi wote nchini hufanya nukuu zao toka kwa Mwalimu pindi wanapohutubia ama kutafuta kukubalika?
Majishindo, sijui una matatizo gani ndugu yangu. Nimebahatika kutembelea nchi nyingi duniani na pamoja na Mwalimu kuachia madaraka miaka zaidi ya 25 iliyopita, jina la Kiongozi anayefahamika kutoka nchi ya Kilimanjaro na Serengeti, ni Mwalimu Nyerere peke yake. Pamoja na Kikwete kuitembelea Marekani hadi wakamchoka, hakuna mmarekani anayemfahamu kama Raisi wa Tanzania labda asome kitabuni.
Juzi nimekuwa na bahati ya kukutana na mcheza sinema maarufu wa Marekani anayeitwa Dan Glover. Aliniuliza mimi ni raia wa wapi na nilipomtajia tu Tanzania akanitamkia maneno sita, ooh the land of my hero ! Nilimshangaa nikamuuliza huyo hero wake ni nani na bila hata kusita akasema Mwalimu Nyerere. Anasema Nyerere ali inspire weusi wengi alivyopambana na ubeberu nyakati hizo. Dan Glover hivi sasa ana umri wa miaka 65 na alizaliwa mwaka 1946.
From my understand the Noble is not an award for nobility. Au una confuse Noble na Nobel mkuu?
Kujulikana na kuwa "hero" wa baadhi ya watu hakukufanyi kuwa noble. Hata hitler ni nani asiyemjuwa na hayupo toka lini? Na wengi mpka leo ni hero wao na wanatumia mpaka "symbol" yake ya swastika.
Hayo uliyosema hayamfanyi nyerere kufuzu tuzo yoyote ile. Alikuwa ni dikteta aliesababisha vifo vya wengi tu na kuitia nchi kwenye kila tatizo ulijuwalo na usilolijuwa. Simkubali hata kidogo na hana sifa zaidi ya kulitumikia kanisa katoliki na ndio linataka kumpa utakatifu. Kwa jema lipi zaidi?
From my understand the Noble is not an award for nobility. Au una confuse Noble na Nobel mkuu?
No confusion, its the same Noble or Nobel, its only a matter of language and where you are. Noble forms the name of the award and it is not an award for nobility but if you are not noble you can't win the award. Nyerere was not.