Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Galip Veryl]

Ndeefu ila someni tu nyie vichwa ngum wa Pro NYETO...

"No amount of weapons can give Ukraine victory" - US Army сolonel Macgregor

If one is to believe the current White House propaganda, Ukraine is winning the war. This is simply not so, according to retired US Army Col. Macgregor recent statements in Fox News “Tucker Carlson Tonight”.

The American colonel is considered to be a prominent Army thinker. He is currently a consultant, and received his PhD in international relations from the University of Virginia.

Macgregor argues that Moscow’s main interests and military goals are in the Donbas region and the eastern half of Ukraine. This is what President Putin himself has repeatedly stated. However, the colonel predicts that if detente is not sought, Western Ukraine will become a “firing range”.

Even so, in this case Russia would not actually send troops, but would rather employ artillery attacks, he says. He adds: “The Russians have never been interested in crossing the Dnieper River [the river that splits Kiev]. They were always interested in destroying the Ukrainian forces – that job's about through.”

Once again, denazification and demilitarization have been Moscow’s stated goals from day one - but it is interesting to see a prominent US military expert conceding that.

Col. Macgregor also said: “I really think the president and his supporting advisers believe that somehow or another, they're going to arrive at a negotiating table in the future where they will be able to dictate terms to Moscow. And that's not going to happen.”

In a 12 April conversation with American political analyst and retired judge Andre Napolitano (“Judge Nap”), the colonel made similar remarks about the propaganda war currently being waged.

He stresses Moscow has no interest in launching an offensive against NATO, and he clarifies that the distinction between “offensive” and “defensive” weapons (pertaining to arms sent by Washington to Kiev) is largely a matter of “media terminology” because it all really depends on “the employment of the weapon systems”.

Uriel Araujo... Researcher with a focus on international and ethnic conflicts.

 

[1954]

[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3] tuko mwezi wa tatu sasa,hizi kauli zilishakuwa ni ngonjera tu

Kwani wewe ulitakaje? Sometimes you have to argue sensibly...achana na ubishi wa Simba na Yanga kwamba ile ilikuwa ni penalti na mwingine anasema haikuwa penalti...jifunze how to respect other people's opinions and views...

 

[Nyamizi]

Kula lunch Acha hofu

Germany na France wanajitoa NATO au hapana[emoji3]

 

[Econometrician]

Sijui unapata habari zako wapi? Nchi za EU wanaunga mkono Ukraine kwa hiari yao kabisa wakiona Urusi ya Putin ni hatari na tishio kwao. Hasa zile nchi ndogo zaidi kwenye Mashariki ya EU wanaelewa tishio (hali ya pekee ni Hungaria inayojaribu kutosimama upande ). Jumapili serikali ya Slovenia iliyoshiriki na Hungaria iliondolewa katika uchaguzi. Finland na Uswidi wanaelekea kwa hiari yao kujiunga na NATO, baada ya miaka mingi ya kutojiunga.
Ujerumani ilikataa miaka yote kuitikia madai ya Marekani (tangu Bush, Obama, Trump) kuongeza jeshi lake na kufunga bomba la gesi kutoka Urusi - imegeuka kabisa; ikaamua kuwekeza Euro bilioni 100 kwenye jeshi lake; ilibadilisha sheria yake na kutuma silaha Ukraine (Panzerfaust zake zilisaidia kuchoma vifaru vingi vya Urusi).
Wanajua kwamba vita inawaumiza, wananchi wao wanajua hata hivyo katika nchi za EU ni idadi kubwa ya wananchi wanaotaka serikali zao zisaidie Ukraine kwa kila namna.
Wengi wanaona aibu kwamba miaka 8 iliyopita wakati wa uvamizi wa kwanza wa Urusi katika Ukraine walichukua hatua dhaifu tu.
Wanamwona Putin kama mhuni na mwuaji anayeleta uharibifu.

Mkuu acha uongo Urusi hana shida na EU countries,yeye adui wake wa kudumu ni USA.anacho Fanya USA ni propaganda kuonesha kuwa Urusi ana ugomvi na Nchi hizo ili kuzitumia Nchi hizo kama mwanvuli.

 

[1954]

Asante, je una ramani tofauti?

Sina ..

 

[Galip Veryl]

Kumekucha wapendwa .

....haya wale ma pro NATO mko mtaa gani ....leo niko full full .....masnonda ...

Tsh....

NYAMIZI

Coco reborn

Mwanamkwiki sijui nimepatia hilo jina

bibie jonnah

naskia MOSCOW imezingirwa ..........[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

Alafu coco rebon wacha kukimbia vita ukae humu tukuoneshe namna warussia huwa hatupendagi ufamba....

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Umepatia matatu tu ya Juu mengine umeenda chaka... Ila cheeeeers hayo majina so ya muhim sana [emoji25]

 

[bibingi]

Wanajua kutumia media. Media kwao ni weapon.

Bwana Tsh ...naona unamzodoa bibie NYAMIZI

.......[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]unachosema ni kweli kabisa western allies wanajua kutumia media na media kwao ni silaha kubwa na mwanzoni iliwatoa kidedea ila kwa sasa imefeli .....ukweli mbele daima [emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Nyamizi]

Kwani wewe ulitakaje? Sometimes you have to argue sensibly...achana na ubishi wa Simba na Yanga kwamba ile ilikuwa ni penalti na mwingine anasema haikuwa penalti...jifunze how to respect other people's opinions and views...

Siyo mimi ni kuboronga kwa Putin kule Ukraine,unajitahidi sana kucomment kile unachotaka kiwe kwenye akili yako,tatizo uhalisia ndiyo unakataa,uwe na mchana mwema/usiku mwema kama unaishi kwa Beberu Mkuu,maana najua Russia hata hupatamani kuishi[emoji3]

 

[bibingi]

Ndeefu ila someni tu nyie vichwa ngum wa Pro NYETO... View attachment 2201210"No amount of weapons can give Ukraine victory" - US Army сolonel Macgregor

If one is to believe the current White House propaganda, Ukraine is winning the war. This is simply not so, according to retired US Army Col. Macgregor recent statements in Fox News “Tucker Carlson Tonight”.

The American colonel is considered to be a prominent Army thinker. He is currently a consultant, and received his PhD in international relations from the University of Virginia.

Macgregor argues that Moscow’s main interests and military goals are in the Donbas region and the eastern half of Ukraine. This is what President Putin himself has repeatedly stated. However, the colonel predicts that if detente is not sought, Western Ukraine will become a “firing range”.

Even so, in this case Russia would not actually send troops, but would rather employ artillery attacks, he says. He adds: “The Russians have never been interested in crossing the Dnieper River [the river that splits Kiev]. They were always interested in destroying the Ukrainian forces – that job's about through.”

Once again, denazification and demilitarization have been Moscow’s stated goals from day one - but it is interesting to see a prominent US military expert conceding that.

Col. Macgregor also said: “I really think the president and his supporting advisers believe that somehow or another, they're going to arrive at a negotiating table in the future where they will be able to dictate terms to Moscow. And that's not going to happen.”

In a 12 April conversation with American political analyst and retired judge Andre Napolitano (“Judge Nap”), the colonel made similar remarks about the propaganda war currently being waged.

He stresses Moscow has no interest in launching an offensive against NATO, and he clarifies that the distinction between “offensive” and “defensive” weapons (pertaining to arms sent by Washington to Kiev) is largely a matter of “media terminology” because it all really depends on “the employment of the weapon systems”.

Uriel Araujo... Researcher with a focus on international and ethnic conflicts.

Kuna hizi sisimizi pro nato hazitakuelewa ...kabisaa ...

 

[RTI]

Nikiona jinsi gani marais wa nchi mbalimbali na sasa mawaziri wa Marekani wanaingia na kutoka Ukraine jinsi wanavyotaka, sioni kwamba jeshi la anga la Urusi linathibiti anga la Ukraine.
Nilisita kuamini taarifa kwamba marubani Warusi wanaogopa kuzura juu ya Ukraine kwa sababu bado kuna roketi za SAM ambazo walishindwa kuharibu (maana najua kila upande unasambaza propaganda yake).

Sasa Ujerumani iliamua kuimarisha ulinzi wa anga wa Ukraine kwa kutuma vifaru vyake vya Gepard ambazo zinalenga ndege na roketi.
Kwa hiyo uwezo wa Urusi kuendelea na mashambulio kutoka anga utategemea idadi ya roketi zake zilizobaki...

Kwanza tambua hao viongozi huwa hawaendi Ukraine kwa ndege bali huwa wana tumia gari moshi na huwa wanatoa taarifa kwa Urusi ili isije kutokea ajali usidhani huwa wanaenda kienyeji tu.

 

[1954]

Siyo mimi ni kuboronga kwa Putin kule Ukraine,unajitahidi sana kucomment kile unachotaka kiwe kwenye akili yako,tatizo uhalisia ndiyo unakataa,uwe na mchana mwema/usiku mwema kama unaishi kwa Beberu Mkuu,maana najua Russia hata hupatamani kuishi[emoji3]

An illusion...pole Sana Ndugu yangu

 

[bibingi]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Umepatia matatu tu ya Juu mengine umeenda chaka... Ila cheeeeers hayo majina so ya muhim sana [emoji25]View attachment 2201221

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] sawa mkuu

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Aise, yaani ww! Naomba utuambie,nan muazilishi wa NATO?

Unajua kama mimi, sivyo? Chanzo kilikuwa tishio la Urusi dhidi Berlin magharibi mwaka 1948.
lilifuatwaa na Mkataba wa Brussels wa 1948 . Mataifa hayo ya Ulaya yalitafuta ushirikiano na Marekani, Marekani iliona vema kuongeza mataifa mengine, na 1949 Mkataba wa NATO (North Atlantic treaty) ulisainiwa.
Soma:
Representatives of several countries of Western Europe gathered together to create a military alliance. Great Britain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg signed the Brussels Treaty in March, 1948. Their treaty provided collective defense; if any one of these nations was attacked, the others were bound to help defend it. At the same time, the Truman US-Administration instituted a peacetime draft, increased military spending, and called upon the historically isolationist Republican Congress to consider a military alliance with Europe. In May of 1948, Republican Senator Arthur H. Vandenburg proposed a resolution suggesting that the President seek a security treaty with Western Europe that would adhere to the United Nations charter but exist outside of the Security Council where the Soviet Union held veto power. The Vandenburg Resolution passed, and negotiations began for the North Atlantic Treaty.
The nations of Western Europe wanted assurances that the United States would intervene automatically in the event of an attack...
The U.S. negotiators felt there was more to be gained from enlarging the new treaty to include the countries of the North Atlantic, including Canada, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, Ireland, and Portugal.
The result of these extensive negotiations was the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty in 1949. In this agreement, the United States, Canada, Belgium, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, and the United Kingdom agreed to consider attack against one an attack against all, along with consultations about threats and defense matters.
Chanzo: Milestones: 1945–1952 - Office of the Historian

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Kwanza tambua hao viongozi huwa hawaendi Ukraine kwa ndege bali huwa wana tumia gari moshi na huwa wanatoa taarifa kwa Urusi ili isije kutokea ajali usidhani huwa wanaenda kienyeji tu.

Kabisa, ni kweli. na mimi nisingepanda treni kama kuna hatari ya kushambuliwa maana treni inatembea polepole kwenye njia inayojulikana.

 

[Mwanamkiwi]

Mkuu acha uongo Urusi hana shida na EU countries,yeye adui wake wa kudumu ni USA.anacho Fanya USA ni propaganda kuonesha kuwa Urusi ana ugomvi na Nchi hizo ili kuzitumia Nchi hizo kama mwanvuli.

Asante kwa kutuambia imani yako. Ila tukijadili elimu - je una historia tofauti kuhusu nchi za Ulaya Mashariki na Urusi kuliko ile niliyotaja??

 

[Galip Veryl]

Kuna wadada flan hivi hum huwa nawatizama kisha najaribu waza kua we ndio mume then mkeo ambae ndio wategemea kua mwalim wa kwanza kwa wanao ana mindset ka hizo...













Aseeee hicho kizazi ka sio bom la hiroshima basi ni Satan 2...

 

[KIDUNUNDU]

Germany na France wanajitoa NATO au hapana[emoji3]

Hivi unashirikisha serikali yako ya ubongo ipasavyo. What is your interest NATO or Ukraine.?.
Hapo kuna dilema ipo wazi either kukazia vikwazo uchumi wao udorore au watoe siraha kumuangamiza Russia ambapo mwisho wa siku bila Russia hawana hata mwezi wa kusurvive.
Sasa jiulize ukraine anapigania nini ? Iwapo NATO imekuwa mwiba kwa Europe hawana maamuzi. Where is sovereignty anayopigania iwapo bado atajifunga mikono.
Mwisho unamwamini Zelensky kuwa anaipenda Ukraine?

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Jana usiku Russia imekula vichwa zaidi ya 500 vya wanajeshi wa Ukraine...

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Ni wa NATO hao

 

[RTI]

Asante, ila naona tofauti ambayo si ndogo.
Kwanza sijapinga upanuzi wa himaya ya Urusi (kuna faida gani kupinga historia??) lakini ninasema: maarifa ya mataifa ya Ulaya na Urusi inatosha kuona kwamba wanaona Urusi kama tishio, na wana sababu nzuri.

Pili nilidokeza hali halisi kwamba Urusi ilipanusha himaya yake kwa njia ya vita na uvamizi wa kijeshi.

Tatu ninaona upanuzi wa NATO haikutokea kwa njia ya uvamizi wala vita bali kwa njia ya maazimio ya nchi zilizopata uhuru zikaamua vile kwa hiari yao.

Je unakubali nchi ina haki ya kuamua ushirikiano wake ya wengine au la? Je DRC ilikuwa na haki kujiunga na Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki? Je Sudan Kusini ilikuwa na haki hiyo??
Mataifa ya Ulaya pamoja Urusi yalikubaliana mwaka 1975 kila nchi ina haki kuchagua siasa yake. (Helsinki Accords)

Baada ya kumalizika kwa vita baridi Urusi ilionesha nia ya dhati kumaliza uadui lakini Marekani na washirika walikataa.

Ilifikia hatua Urusi iliomba kuwa mwachama wa Nato ili wawe kitu kimoja kitu ambacho kingemaliza uadui kati ya pande hizo ,lakini Marekani alikataa maana alijua Ulaya ikipatana na Urusi basi soko lake la silaha litakuwa limekufa rasimi maana ana tegemea kuitumia Urusi kuitisha Ulaya ili wanunue silaha zake.

Na hii michezo ana ifanya sana huko mashariki ya kati na kwenye rasi ya Korea.

Mm nikimuona mtu fulani anapinga siasa za kujitanua za Urusi wakati huo akiunga mkono siasa za kujitanua za Marekani huwa namuona kama punguani na mnafiki.

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Nikiona jinsi gani marais wa nchi mbalimbali na sasa mawaziri wa Marekani wanaingia na kutoka Ukraine jinsi wanavyotaka, sioni kwamba jeshi la anga la Urusi linathibiti anga la Ukraine.
Nilisita kuamini taarifa kwamba marubani Warusi wanaogopa kuzura juu ya Ukraine kwa sababu bado kuna roketi za SAM ambazo walishindwa kuharibu (maana najua kila upande unasambaza propaganda yake).

Sasa Ujerumani iliamua kuimarisha ulinzi wa anga wa Ukraine kwa kutuma vifaru vyake vya Gepard ambazo zinalenga ndege na roketi.
Kwa hiyo uwezo wa Urusi kuendelea na mashambulio kutoka anga utategemea idadi ya roketi zake zilizobaki...

We dogo hakuna airdefense ya kumzuia Urusi atachange missile type mnafikiri Urussi ni Libya??