Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hapana me sikujibu chochote, ila Galip Vrl na Mr Tyang ndio waliomjibu kimasihara nadhani sababu ni kama ulivyowaza wanajua anajua ila ana......

Ok tuachane na hilo, umemweleza vizuri indeed ila kuna kisehem hiki hapa ngoja tukiweke sawa!

Ni kwamba hakuna silaha inaitwa no-fly zone/ no flight zone!

Bali no fly zone ni kitendo cha kuzuia ndege vita ku-fly over eneo lililokusudiwa kuwekea hiyo no 'flight zone' vyovyote utakavoiita fly ama flight.

⚫ Ok sasa swali, Hii no fly zone inatekelezwa vipi?

Hii no fly zone inakuwa enforced by a threat of force, Taifa au Mataifa yanayo'impose hiyo No Fly Zone lazima ya-deploy surveillance aircraft ili ku-monitor airspace iliyokusudiwa.

Bila kusahau fighters to deter na kama ikiwezekana basi ku-shoot down any hostile aircraft ambayo inaingia eneo hilo. Mfano rahisi ni namna NATO walivyofanya Libya 2011 hiyo also kwa US na kundi lake kule Iraqi toka 1991 hadi 2003.

⚫ Swali la pili sasa turudi nyuma kwanini NATO waligoma?

Yah wote tunakumbuka namna Elensky alivyokua akiwaomba NATO kuweka no Fly Zone hapo Ukraine! Hii ilimaanisha kwamba NATO waingie kulilinda anga la Ukraine kama walivyofanya Libya. Vile vile ilikuwa na maana rahisi kutamka ila ngumu kutekeleza, maana ya kushoot down ndege vita za Russia.

So hiyo kwa tafsiri nyingine ingekuwa ni kama direct military intervention ambayo walipigwa Onyo na Putin kuhusu yoyote atakayeingilia. Na hiyo ndio sababu ya NATO kuwakatalia Ukraine kuhusu kuwawekea no Fly zone kwasababu ingekuwa ni mapigano ya moja kwa moja kati yao na Russia...

Mdau sikumjibu kutokana na namna alivyouliza "Kwa hiyo no flyzone ni silaha" 😂. Yes ni Pro-Russia mwenzetu nikaamua kukausha tu.

Logic ya kawaida tu.
Eneo la Bank si linalindwa? Wanalilinda kwa kutumia nini? Kwani neno ulinzi ni silaha? au Silaha ndio zinatumika kufanya ulinzi?

Katika kile nilichokua nazungumza kule ni kua hata panga ni silaha ila inaweza kua Offensive au Defensive kutokana na kusudio!

NATO na EU wamekuwa wakidai wanawasaidia Ukraine kujilinda, ndio tukahoji hata ile No Fly Zone waliyoomba ilikuwa ni kwa kujilinda wangewasaidia kama walivyofanya "huduma bora" kabisa kule Libya

Out of topic ni sawa na anayezini na anayefanya jimai 😂... Tendo ni lile lile style ni zile zile kasoro kusudio kua hili limefanyika ndani ya ndoa hili jingine nje ya ndoa!

Mdau lee van cliff nimesherehesha bila kusema eneo nilokusudia kulisahihisha... Lakin hadi kufikia hapo nahisi umenelewa na kutambua eneo nilokusudia kwenye maelezo yako ya awali.

Da Pro Russia,
Darasa Tosha kabisa na mtu anachukua shahada

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Ilianza Pakistan, Prime Minister akawagomea katengenezewa figisu kanyofolewa. Baada ya kuondolewa madarakani, US akatuma team yake huko Pakistan kuzungumza na Waziri mkuu mpya aliyechaguliwa.

Vucic nae (Serbia President) akawabishia pia, Ukraine, EU na NATO kwa ujumla. Now USAID wanamimina mpunga huko kuanza kutengeneza viongozi wapya wanaowataka 😂.

Ukisikia Paaa jua imekukosa aliyelenga hana shabaa amefanya makosa... Ukisikia misaada je? Unapendwa au sio? Oukay!

Taarifa kamili...
⚫ The United States plans to strengthen "civil activism" in Serbia.

The US Agency for International Development USAID intends to allocate $10 million for this.

Washington intends to attract "new civic leaders from among the youth."

Hii ndio kitu USA anaweza hapa duniani.
Kuleta vurugu kwa nchi dhaifu.

 

[toobiter]

Marekani anakusaidia hadi kufundisha mbwa wa kunusa dawa za kulevya msiwe mateja wote. Pia anakupa na msaada wa kutahiri magovi ili kasi ya Ukimwi ipungue. Sehemu nyingine anakujengea na vyoo.

usisahau hata hiyo cocaine yeye ni msambazaji pia

 

[Japharyy]

Jamani hii Vita Mbona Haiishi. Nimesali Lakini Bado. Au Nimekosea Wapi Wadau Tushirikiane Jamani Maana Amani Ni Jambo Zuri.

 

[toobiter]

Africa haitapata maendeleo kwa Marekani na Ulaya kuanguka kiuchumi au kuangushwa na Urusi bali itazidi kuwa maskini zaidi kwa sababu itakuwa koloni kamili la China. Mtanyonywa rasilimali zote na Wachina, watachukua tenda zote za ujenzi na watawapa mikopo kwa riba na terms wanazozitaka wao kwa sababu watakuwa hawana mshindani tena hapa Africa.

Africa imekuwa maskini kwa sababu raia wake wengi wajinga na viongozi wake wengi ni majanga na hawana maono yoyote ya kiuongozi zaidi ya kubaki madarakani. Marekani ndio imesaidia kumaliza Polio barani hapa bila wao wengi wenu mngekuwa vilema sasa hivi.Mlipopukitika kwa janga la Malaria wao ndio walikuaa wa kwanza kulimaliza na kuwaletea dawa, mkipigana vita na kuuana wenyewe kama mazombi kama ilivyotokea Sudan wao ndio wa kwanza kuja kuwapatanisha na wakichelewa kama ilivyotokea Rwanda mnapiga mayowe kuwalaumu kama walevi wa gongo.

uahawahi kujua mmarekani anapokupa kondom na net yeye anachukua nini?

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Hoja wanayoniletea eti 'ninateseka sana'🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

Wanataka kuniziba mdomo nisiwashushie 'nyundo za utosini' wakati mie furaha yangu ni Urusi kuishinda Ukraine + USA + shoga zake NATO

Wachache wanakuona unateseka,
Wengi tunakuona shujaa,unaetupa habari za leoleo kutoka Frontline kabisa.
Habari zako zinasuniriwa kwa hamu sana kama vile wananchi wa pwani wasubirivyo vibua,tasi,chuchunge,pweza na uduvi kutoka katikati ya bahari

 

[Ngwega]

Wachache wanakuona unateseka,
Wengi tunakuona shujaa,unaetupa habari za leoleo kutoka Frontline kabisa.
Habari zako zinasuniriwa kwa hamu sana kama vile wananchi wa pwani wasubirivyo vibua,tasi,chuchunge,pweza na uduvi kutoka katikati ya bahari

🤣🤣🤣

 

[lee Vladimir cleef]

Jamani hii Vita Mbona Haiishi. Nimesali Lakini Bado. Au Nimekosea Wapi Wadau Tushirikiane Jamani Maana Amani Ni Jambo Zuri.

Hata Mimi naungana na wewe kwenye suala la amani.
Lakini kwa hili Urusi anayo haki ya kujilinda.

 

[Bachelor ll]

Kwaiyo no flying zone ni silaha?

Sijui

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[Yoda]

Kuna vitu Marekani anachukua bure kutoka kwetu??
Labda wahamiaji.

uahawahi kujua mmarekani anapokupa kondom na net yeye anachukua nini?

 

[Yoda]

Umepuyanga.
Cocaine inasambazwa na Wa Mexico, Marekani ni muathirika na anatoa pesa nyingi sana kwa serikali ya Mexico kukabiliana na magegenge ya dawa za kulevya.

usisahau hata hiyo cocaine yeye ni msambazaji pia

 

[Steph Curry]

Umepuyanga.
Cocaine inasambazwa na Wa Mexico, Marekani ni muathirika na anatoa pesa nyingi sana kwa serikali ya Mexico kukabiliana na magegenge ya dawa za kulevya.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 ila we jamaa mahaba yako yamekidhiri aisee

 

[D A E M U S H I N]

Sergei lavrov leo yupo Bahrain, nadhani russia na wao sasa wamedhamiria kuyavuta mataifa mengi ya kiarabu kuwa upande wao kisiasa, biashara, ulinzi. huenda russia akawa msuluhishi bora wa migogoro isiyokwisha ndani ya bara la arabu kazi ambayo america ameshindwa kuifanya na hatimaye kujifisha vazi la uchochezi kwa kuunga mkono baadhi ya makundi ya kigaidi nyuma ya pazia.

 

[Jackal]

Vladimir Putin today declared that Russia will 'conduct a lightning strike' against countries supporting Ukraine with 'means and tools' no country in the world possesses? Could this mean that Nato could come under attack?
Yeah, yeah, we’ve heard that before. 1944, the alleged “Wunderwaffen” of the Nazis. Didn’t work then, won’t work now. It’s propaganda directed at the Russian population, drawing attention away from the war that’s not going as planned.

The worst he can do, short of annihilating the world, is lobbing his remaining few hypersonic missiles at what he hopes will be worthwhile targets.

After that NATO will make mincemeat of his glorious Army within a week. I guess he knows about that.

Which country is the most difficult to invade geographically?
Many military analysts predict that Russia will eventually defeat Ukraine not because of the competency of its armed forces but because of Russia's overwhelming numbers. If that is so, why is NATO prolonging the inevitable?
Why is the Russian military so poorly armed?
How can North Korea maintain a bigger army than France without going bankrupt?
How is Ukrainian artillery so accurate? When I was in the army, artillery was an area weapon, but I've seen videos of UKR artillery targeting individual vehicles. Are we just seeing footage of lucky shots, or are the munitions armor-seeking now?
Why is everyone supporting Ukraine, but no one supported Syria?
Does Ukraine have any snipers?
How effective are the anti-aircraft tanks that Germany is sending to Ukraine?

 

[Jesus Mlokozi]

🏆FRESH TROPHIES🏆
This is where the tax money of people from NATO countries end and mainstream media will not tell them this,because mainstream media serves military industry and they want their people to think Ukraine is winning

 

[Jesus Mlokozi]

🇮🇹⚡️Italian media: it is useless to supply weapons to Kyiv, they are immediately taken away by the Russians

The Italians have a negative attitude towards the decision of the authorities to supply weapons to Ukraine, and therefore Rome was forced to classify military supplies for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But as soon as weapons enter the combat zone, they are immediately captured by Russian fighters. Otherwise, precise missile strikes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are applied to the equipment. Summed up the journalists.😁

 

[Yoda]

Ningeona huna mahaba nao kama ungejiita Sergey Karasev au Dzyuba

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] ila we jamaa mahaba yako yamekidhiri aisee

 

[STRUGGLE MAN]

Mzigo umedakwa

 

[Cod-2]

Fumo wa Multiple 270 ndo unaelekea Ukraine mzee...

Unapiga hadi km 300 - Dar Dumila mzee wangu na una Shabaha kwa 90%

Ni Zaidi ya Dar - Dumila. Ni range yaani straight line siyo kama ambavyo unatembea na gari kupinda pinda Kona kibao. Hapo unakuwa unaongelea two points coordinate

 

[Sikirimimimasikini]

Wachache wanakuona unateseka,
Wengi tunakuona shujaa,unaetupa habari za leoleo kutoka Frontline kabisa.
Habari zako zinasuniriwa kwa hamu sana kama vile wananchi wa pwani wasubirivyo vibua,tasi,chuchunge,pweza na uduvi kutoka katikati ya bahari

Dah, maneno yako yanazidi kuwachoma na kuwanyong'onyeza waMarekani wa 'Kibaigwa' na waUkraine wa 'Segera'