Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Sigonella Island]

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[Final Boss]

Sasa nimekuelewa kaka,ila kuna watu wapo/tupo hivyo cha msingi endelea kuwa na kifua.
Binafsi nimependa jinsi unavyojenga hoja,lakini lugha unavyoitumia kwa wenye mtazamo tofauti na wewe.

Unastahili kuitwa GT.
Kazi mnayoifanya kwenye huu uzi ni kubwa sana.

Yah, kifua ninacho sema inafikia wakati inakuwa too much... Sasa umeshaelewa kilichopo nenda tena kaisome ile reply ya kwanza baada ya kuzungumza ulichonijibu.

 

[Sigonella Island]

Kiwewe kimeanza kuwashika UK

 

[Final Boss]

Pro Russia wote ni nuts conspiracy theorists.
Sijaona au kukutana na Pro Russia ambaye haamini mojawapo ya conspiracy/nadharia tete zilizozagaa duniani.

Ukiacha huyu anayeamini kuna species tofauti za binadamu duniani pia Wapo wanaoamini.

1.Benki kuu zote za dunia ni za Rothschilds

2.Michele Obama ni mwanaume na wale sio watoto wake.

3.US utajairi wake ni wa kuprinti dollars tu

4.Familia ya Ufalme wa UK na watu wengine matajiri US na Ulaya ni Reptiles au mijusi.

5.Corona ni mpango wa wazungu kumaliza watu wengine,kuuza chanjo au kuwapunguza

7.Vita ya Ukraine ni mpango wa US kuidhoofisha Ulaya au kuuza silaha

6.Dunia ni tambarare

7.US walianzisha NWO ambayo ni mpango wa kishetani.

Wewe lazima utaangukia kwenye kundi mojawapo au zaidi ya moja kati ya haya na mengine mengi.

Ukipenda unaweza kuniweka pote, Itakuwa vizuri zaidi, As you wish, kwetu hakuna shida.

 

[Sigonella Island]

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[Yoda]

Tanzania upatikanaji maji safi ya bomba ni asilimia 72 vijijini na 86 mijini kama unaziamini takwimu za serikali.

Huwezi kuwa na akili nzuri Ukashangaa udhibiti wa maji Italia wakati Public toilets za nchi yako kwenye sehemu zenye mikusanyiko mikubwa ni aibu tupu kwa ukosefu wa maji!

Tanzania tuna maisha mazuri, You can take a bath infinity times no authority will fine you. Wenzetu kuosha mara 2 nywele ni kosa, faini juu. There water rationing kijiji flan huko Italy. Hey buddies, walisema ni matajiri sana eh? Wazee wa vyoo vya msaada mko wapi wadau wangu.

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[emoji298][emoji298][emoji298]Italian hairdressers will be fined for double shampooing clients, writes The Guardian.

Hairdressers are required to save water because of the country's worst drought in decades. Such measures were introduced in the city of Castenazo, 10 km from Bologna.

Water rationing measures have also been introduced in other Italian cities. For example, public fountains were turned off in Milan.

 

[mtimawachi]

Uko sahihu bro, Ujue hata kutamka kua ni Pro-NATO ni katika kusitiriana, sitaki na huwa sipendi kujionesha niko kwenye sokomoko na mtu. Lengo haswa ilikuwa ni kuclear jambo lenyewe bila kum-expose mtu.

Humu ni hoja tu sema watu wanachanganya na hulka zao.
ILA ndio ubinadamu wenyewe huo kama ulivyosema kuwa hatufanani

 

[Galip Veryl]

Kwani hayo maswali yanahusiana vipi na hii mada yetu!?

Anatupotezea muda,ye kama hajasoma form I shauri yake.

Hapa maswali yajikite kumu husu PUTIN wetu URUSI na viongozi wake na haka KA-OP kanakoendelea.

[emoji23]

 

[ngaboru]

As I expected, Angekuwa first one to react kwenye comment yako. Probably atakuwa first one kureply kwenye hii comment too. You know what bro, I know each and everything that it's out of topic.

Ngoja nikupe story fupi, It's a week now. Tulitoka nje ya mjadala mimi, bro Galip Vrl na bro kisiju pwani. Tulizungumza mengi mwisho tukaamua kutokukubaliana maisha yaendelee, Hatukupeana maneno ya kashfa, up to day tunaheshimiana na kaka zangu hao.

Someone akanifata PM kuhusu ile issue tuliokuwa tunaizungumzia. Alivyonifuata kule nikaona ni busara pembezoni bila kukera wengine.

Mjadala ukaanza key terms miongoni mwazo ni hizo, mwisho wa siku tukakubaliana kukutokubaliana. So what happen? Kanibandika majina kadhaa ambayo anayatumia sana kwenye huu uzi moja wapo "Mbwiga".

Of course sio Pro-NATO ni pro-Russia na tatizo kubwa lililopo ni u-much knows, kuna watu wana kasumba hapa kwa kuona kua Pro-Russia wapo sahihi kila kitu mkipishana we ni mweupe.

Ambapo in facts kote alikuwa chaka, Yes if am wrong mtaniambia. Nawapa mifano kadhaa.

1. Akaniambia Race ni species za binadam
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🔸Infact sio kweli, we all knows kua Race na Species ni term 2 tofauti.
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2. Akadai kua kuna species za binadam ya kizungu na kiafrika na nyinginezo.
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🔸 Hapa napo akaingia chaka, we all knows kua kuna only one human species to date. Ambae ni Homo sapiens sapiens, all modern human being tupo kundi hili.
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Eti kwamba kuna Species 4 za binadam kweli????
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Hivi kweli leo hii wadau mtu asimame awaambie species za binadam ni waafrika, wazungu, Mongolian n.k mtamuelewaje?

Halafu mtu kama huyo kisa yupo upande wa Russia anajiona kama anajua kiviiile nje ya mawazo yake basi si kweli.

Yote 9 mi sikuona issue yoyote, alinipa majina kadhaa pale kama, "Mweupe" hamna kitu wewe, mara mbwiga n.k kisa nini? Kumuelewesha kua anachokifaham sio sahihi.

Ikafikia hatua ananiambia eti niende Quora nikasome, damn wadau hivi Quora na JF kuna tofauti gani? Lile ni jukwaa kama jukwaa hili la hapa any1 is free kuandika analojisikia.

Nikapuuza nikayaacha hapo hapo nikaendelea na wana hapa kwenye majadiliano ya Russia vs Ukraine

Mdau wetu katoka nayo kule kahamia kwenye thread hapa. Kila mda mtamskia oooh team mashudu. Nikavunga tu coz sipendi league na skirt. Inakaribia weak sasa halimuishi. Imekua kama uhasama hivi 😂.

Sasa leo nafungua page kadhaa hapa nakutana nalo tena, Kaanza hapo kutoa adress ya mbwiga kisha machuma chuma.

You guys mnamjua machuma chuma kua ni T14 Armata, yes Mbwiga kama hamkuelewa ni Qibsyl

Sasa em ifike hatua ukiheshimiwa jiheshim, Ukisitiriwa sitirika. Sipo hapa kuwania tuzo kwa mtu yoyote ya ujuzi. Sipo hapa kuwania Tuzi za likes wala compliment kua najua saaaana! NO

Naamini sijui kila kitu ila kamwe sitozungumza kitu nisicho na hakika nacho, ninaye mkera kuna button ya Ignore pembeni. Ani-block, Vijembe vya ******* sitaki.

Tubakini kwenye uzi, kua team flani hakutufanyi tuwe tunajua kila kitu, tuelekezane kwa adab as martured people. Na tukiamua kutoekuelewana, heshima iwepo hatufanani so tusilazimishe kufanana.

😂😂😂😂😂🙌🙌🙌 Wewe ndio uliamua kuendeleza vya chumbani mi nilishatoka huko.

Kiroho Safi au sio nikawa na like kama hatujasukutuana PM mnakumbuka ww na mwenzio si ndio mara gafla naona code zinatembea kua sijui kupuuzwa.
Sasa mimi ningetulia tuu bila kurudisha majibu.
Na najua kua mara ya mwisho niliwaambia acheni mambo ya kuchambana tokea hapo nikawa na maindi business zangu silike wala siwakot kila mtu ashinde mechi zake.

😂😂😂Ssa siku ya gundu ni gundu tuu kuna ubishani ulitokea wa dakika katika masilaha mm nikachukua upande yaani ni kama vita baridi kwa upande wangu sasa kumuita T14Armata yy ajui kitu ila nilitaka maoni yake ili kumkomesha Galip Vrl c ndio katika majibizano niliemuita kanijibu shit nikamuignore kitu nilichomuitia hajakifanya na sikuweza kuendeleza ligi na yy ilihali (nikasarenda) nawatemea shit nyie na chanzo n Wewe mm sikuyaleta hapa.

Hapa ni kijiwe cha kupumzikia tusichukulie vitu siriazi kiivo na kumuita machuma chumaa ni kutokana na yeye kunishit ivyo nikampa AKA afeel nilichofeel na ni baada ya kuona yameisha between mm na nyie kwa ww kulike comments zangu.

Mi pia silipwi kuchangia hapa ni sehemu ya kupumzikia watu huku ni vitu vya kawaida kuzinguana na n PM sasa Wewe kuleta jukwaani ndio unazidi kujichoresha.

Mimi mbona nimevumilia na mnanipiga spana wawili sijawayaleta hapa iyo inaonyesha kwamba hauna kifua puuza kama ulivyosema otherwise lamba jivu likate kiungulia.

Cc
Msuluhishi@mtimawachi

 

[Galip Veryl]

Mkuu unaonaje hili la Ukraine liingizwe kwenye mitaala ya skuli watoto wetu wajifunze ukombozi wa fikra [emoji23] with "vivid" references live kutoka Donbass ha ha ha.

"Untouchable" & "Unbeaten"

Mkuu haya maneno mawili ni fikra nzito za wenzetu wa ARV wanazozipenda ha ha ha

 

[Galip Veryl]

[emoji23][emoji23] yani Pro-NATO hawajiamini kabisa mkuu, hata ukimusalimia tu anaweza zani unampiga spana.

Wamekuwa kama mtu aliewahi kung'atwa na nyoka kwenye majani, kila akiguswa na jani anaruka mita mia akifikiri ni nyoka inataka kupita nae tena[emoji23]

Pro-NATO FUSO relax kuna wakati tunasalimiana tu na siyo kupigana spana.

Alihisi unakosoa taarifa kumbe huna habari na Taarifa yenyewe

 

[UPOPO]

Mimi sitaki msaada wewe ndio msaada unauona ndio jambo la kutolea mfano Kwa huyo mume wenu USA

Haa unasema ,adding mwombee njaa .Njaa ikikupata utatulia.Currently arrond 1.8m HIV affect citizen of Tz wanapata ARV yaani dawa za kufubaza ukimwi bure kutoka US through USAID kwa zaidi ya miaka 5 sasa.Dozi ya mwezi mmoja ya mtu mzima ni shs kati ya Tzs 400k to 500k kwa mwezi .Na ya watoto ni more expensive. Kuna watu wanatumia na wanatunza familia .Sasa wewe sema hatutaki msaada wakati ukibanya hata bima uliyonayo haikusaidii .Hii nimetoa mfano tu mmoja .Sasa iwe urusi au US bado dunia inategemeana you can not have everything

 

[Galip Veryl]

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White House officials are losing confidence that Ukraine will ever be able to take back the land it has lost to Russia.

From CNN:

Advisers to President Joe Biden have begun debating internally how and whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should shift his definition of a Ukrainian "victory" — adjusting for the possibility that his country has shrunk irreversibly.

The growing pessimism comes as Biden is meeting with US allies in Europe, where he will try to convey strength and optimism about the trajectory of the war as he rallies leaders to stay committed to arming and supporting Ukraine amid the brutal fight.

The mood has shifted over the last several weeks, though, as Ukraine has struggled to repel Russia's advances in the Donbas and has suffered staggering troop losses, reaching as many as 100 soldiers per day. Ukrainian forces are also burning through their equipment and ammunition faster than the West can provide and train them on new, NATO-standard weapons systems.

A US military official and a source familiar with Western intelligence agreed it was unlikely that Ukraine would be able to mass the force necessary to reclaim all of the territory lost to Russia during the fighting

Internally, there is a sense among some in the Biden administration that Zelensky will need to start moderating expectations for what Ukrainian forces can realistically achieve.

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[Galip Veryl]

Zelensky kweli ni comedian kapewa msaada wa silaha kuzitumia ila ye kaenda kuzificha kanisan anafikiri ndio njia sahihi ya kuziokoa zisiripuliwe sasa aendelee tu kuzificha kama nguo ya skukuu zitaingia kwenye mikono ya wa Russia zikiwa bado mpya maana naamini hawezi kupata muda wa kuzitumia warusi wameshaziona akizitoa tu hapo kwenda kutafuta target sekunde hiyo hiyo atatumiwa salam za iskanders

Kule makanisani jomba wanatafutia kiki, ili kupigwe waseme Russia anashambulia Makazi na Raia.

 

[UPOPO]

Unajua mkuu,wewe kama binadamu kama unajitambua,hupaswi kushangilia jambo kama hili,kwa kuwa huu ni ushindi for humanitys' adversary-Satan.Western governments are representatives of Satan or the NWO, while Russia is fighting on our behalf.Acha Uzuzu mkuu,wake up.Watch this👇,labda akili itazibuka.

Russia hawezi ku fight on our behalf my dear,wangekuja kutusaidia huku kongo tuwe na amani kama kweli wanatusqidia

 

[FUSO]

FUSO kama FUSO

Mbona zelenks anasema kabla ya msimu wa baridi kuanza anatarajia kuisha kwa OP.

Upande wa pili Russia katumia 18% ya nguvu zake na kasema yuko tayari kupambana na NATO wote.

Nani tajiri hapo 😃😃😃😃 kupambana ni HELA sasa kwa kuwaaibisha zaidi kasema njooni nyote maana UFALME wa duniani ni wangu.

Na kuthibitisha kwamba yeye ni mafia hakuna chawa hata mmoja aliyeriact.

Uuurrraaa.

Kaka vita ina gharama kubwa mno kwa siku, sisi tulipigana vita miaka ya 70 lakini toka hapo uchumi ukayumba hadi leo.
Tena hii vita haiishii kwenye Uchumi, Mrusi aanze kujiandaa kufanya yafuatayo:-

• Kuanzisha mashindano yake maana FIFA hatutaki kumwona sura yake
• Kuanzisha UEFA yake maana hatutaki kumwona sura yake
• Kuanzisha Olympic yake maaha hatutaki kumwona sura yake.
• Michezo yote inayohusisha Umoja wa Ulaya na NATO hatutaki sura yake.

Yaani ni hivi ndugu zangu Dunia ya leo usijifanye mtemi utaumia - huwezi kujitenga na wenye nguvu wenzako, atapata madhara mengi mno huyu anayejiapiza kwamba ni mtemi wa Dunia subirini anguko lake.

 

[Galip Veryl]

As I expected, Angekuwa first one to react kwenye comment yako. Probably atakuwa first one kureply kwenye hii comment too. You know what bro, I know each and everything that it's out of topic.

Ngoja nikupe story fupi, It's a week now. Tulitoka nje ya mjadala mimi, bro Galip Vrl na bro kisiju pwani. Tulizungumza mengi mwisho tukaamua kutokukubaliana maisha yaendelee, Hatukupeana maneno ya kashfa, up to day tunaheshimiana na kaka zangu hao.

Someone akanifata PM kuhusu ile issue tuliokuwa tunaizungumzia. Alivyonifuata kule nikaona ni busara pembezoni bila kukera wengine.

Mjadala ukaanza key terms miongoni mwazo ni hizo, mwisho wa siku tukakubaliana kukutokubaliana. So what happen? Kanibandika majina kadhaa ambayo anayatumia sana kwenye huu uzi moja wapo "Mbwiga".

Of course sio Pro-NATO ni pro-Russia na tatizo kubwa lililopo ni u-much knows, kuna watu wana kasumba hapa kwa kuona kua Pro-Russia wapo sahihi kila kitu mkipishana we ni mweupe.

Ambapo in facts kote alikuwa chaka, Yes if am wrong mtaniambia. Nawapa mifano kadhaa.

1. Akaniambia Race ni species za binadam
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[emoji842]Infact sio kweli, we all knows kua Race na Species ni term 2 tofauti.
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2. Akadai kua kuna species za binadam ya kizungu na kiafrika na nyinginezo.
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[emoji842] Hapa napo akaingia chaka, we all knows kua kuna only one human species to date. Ambae ni Homo sapiens sapiens, all modern human being tupo kundi hili.
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Eti kwamba kuna Species 4 za binadam kweli????
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Hivi kweli leo hii wadau mtu asimame awaambie species za binadam ni waafrika, wazungu, Mongolian n.k mtamuelewaje?

Halafu mtu kama huyo kisa yupo upande wa Russia anajiona kama anajua kiviiile nje ya mawazo yake basi si kweli.

Yote 9 mi sikuona issue yoyote, alinipa majina kadhaa pale kama, "Mweupe" hamna kitu wewe, mara mbwiga n.k kisa nini? Kumuelewesha kua anachokifaham sio sahihi.

Ikafikia hatua ananiambia eti niende Quora nikasome, damn wadau hivi Quora na JF kuna tofauti gani? Lile ni jukwaa kama jukwaa hili la hapa any1 is free kuandika analojisikia.

Nikapuuza nikayaacha hapo hapo nikaendelea na wana hapa kwenye majadiliano ya Russia vs Ukraine

Mdau wetu katoka nayo kule kahamia kwenye thread hapa. Kila mda mtamskia oooh team mashudu. Nikavunga tu coz sipendi league na skirt. Inakaribia weak sasa halimuishi. Imekua kama uhasama hivi [emoji23].

Sasa leo nafungua page kadhaa hapa nakutana nalo tena, Kaanza hapo kutoa adress ya mbwiga kisha machuma chuma.

You guys mnamjua machuma chuma kua ni T14 Armata, yes Mbwiga kama hamkuelewa ni Qibsyl

Sasa em ifike hatua ukiheshimiwa jiheshim, Ukisitiriwa sitirika. Sipo hapa kuwania tuzo kwa mtu yoyote ya ujuzi. Sipo hapa kuwania Tuzi za likes wala compliment kua najua saaaana! NO

Naamini sijui kila kitu ila kamwe sitozungumza kitu nisicho na hakika nacho, ninaye mkera kuna button ya Ignore pembeni. Ani-block, Vijembe vya ******* sitaki.

Tubakini kwenye uzi, kua team flani hakutufanyi tuwe tunajua kila kitu, tuelekezane kwa adab as martured people. Na tukiamua kutoekuelewana, heshima iwepo hatufanani so tusilazimishe kufanana.

Duh, anyway sio geni kwangu. Ila nikuombe kitu Mdogo wangu Q endelea kupanua kifua. Puuza kama ulivyoanza, ukiona jau sana hiyo Ignore button unayoizungumzia na wewe ifanyie matumizi.

Life is too short kuhifadhi yasiyo na maana kichwani. Wapo waelewa kama mithili ya Mr Tyang walioamua kukaa upande wa NATO, sio kwamba hawajui ila wamekaa upande usio sahihi. Na wapo wengine mfano kama mimi copy ya Fuso bin Canter, Hatujui kitu ila tumekaa upande ulio sahihi.

So unapokutana na akina mwanamkiwi wa Urusi piga moyo konde endelea na issue zingine.

Mada yetu ni ile ile Russia na Ukraine. Ukitoka nje ya mada hapa utakuta kuna CCM vs Chadema, Wafia Dini vs wapagani, wasukuma na wahehe yani kila aina ya mitizamo. So kausha tuendelee na Mada kama ikikupendeza.

 

[ngaboru]

Yah, kifua ninacho sema inafikia wakati inakuwa too much... Sasa umeshaelewa kilichopo nenda tena kaisome ile reply ya kwanza baada ya kuzungumza ulichonijibu.

Sheria ya JF hairuusu kuexpose vitu mlivyoongelea PM hilo ni la kwanza.

Cha pili watu wanaona wewe ndio mkosewaji kwa sababu umeripoti wa kwanza bila kuangalia upande wa pili.

Vip na mm nitume screen shot za wewe kukomalia waarabu ni lugha bila kufikiria ni mtu alikua anajadiliwa yaani bila kufungu mdomo kuzungumza unasema huyu ni muarabu.

Hivyo vyote nilivyokuambia ni katika kutaka kuona jinsi ya kukuelekeza wala sio kuingia deep na ndio maana ulivyosema homo sapiens na homo erectus ni mambo ya origin ya binadamu.

Nikakuambia mimi siko uko nataka kutumia terminology izo kuonyesha mmgawanyiko wa jamii watu/ binadamu.

Kwamba kuna wenye utashi(mwamfika,muarabu,machina)
Alafu kuna wasiokua na utashi (sokwe,nyani,tumbili,etc)

My point was kukutoa kwenye arabs as lugha balii umfikirie anaeongea au mmiliki wa hiyo lugha chotara au wakujifunza au kuhamia hakumfanyi kua muarabu.

Sasa kidunia haitumiki neno homo sapiens kuelezea jamii za kibinaadamu bali neno race.

Kidunia ndio wamegawanya nne ila kila taifa linamaamuzi yake kutokana na jamii za kibinaadamu zipo nyingi.

Sasa hapo nimeonyesha umwamba wapi kama sio kunionea.

Mimi kutumia neno species,genes sijui animali kingdom ni katika hali ya kutaka kukutoa kufikiria neno arabs as lugha balii mtu.

Mimi sina lig yyte na nyie ila naona mafumbo m nilijuaje kwamba Pro NAto ni mimi ni kwamba sijishtukii ni ukwelii battle ilikua bado inaendelea Kati yangu na nyie.

Wewe ukianzisha mimi namaliza katika hali ya wewe kuumia ukipuuza na mm pia sina muda nafanya yangu.

Kama ni muungwana futa reply za PM maana sitaki kukuchoresha kwa moderators.

 

[Galip Veryl]

Unajua hawa akina Qibsy,Jesus mlokozi,Sikirimimimasikini,Nyundo ya moto,Mathanzua,!Galip vrl,Chrome na wewe Ngaboru mnatumia muda wenu kwa faida ya wengi hasa sisi pro Russia.
Nisingependa mchoshwe hovyo hovyo tu na vijiswali nje ya mada hii kwani mna kazi ngumu ya kutuletea habari,uchambuzi na kuelimisha.

Mtu akitaka ya nje ya mada afungue uzi tumjibu.
ILA kwa kuwa kaenda PM hamna shida

Swadakta, nje ya mada uanzishwe uzi tufatane huko huko hadi kieleweke. Mie binafsi nakiri ile day tulikosea sana kuleta ule mjadala hapa. Lakini isiwe kesi muungwana akisahihishwa hutii na mie natii na kuunga mkono hoja kua nje ya mada zitengewe uzi hapa tubaki na Russia/Ukraine.

 

[Galip Veryl]

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Ha ha imeisha hiyo