Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[ngaboru]

Cut the crap miss OP, usihame huku mara huko...

Nikukumbushe hii ndio ilikuwa point yako


Na ukasema uwezo wa kuitetea unao...


Sasa kwanini usifanye kutoa maelezo yaliyo nyooka badala ya blah blah ya mbinu za kimedani. Mmh?


Noooo sijasema huyo ni wewe wala kudai kia mtu profile aliyoweka inamulika uhalisa wake. Nimemtumia kukupa mfano hai may be you can grasp the context ambayo unajipea ukakasi.

Walihitaji data, Yes DATA, Na unapozungumzia data sio tarakimu tu kwamba zipo katika range y 1 hadi 9 kisha zinajirudia.

No when some1 asked kuhusu data maana ake alihitaji taarifa, of course ni taarifa za ziada za kuchagiza hoja husika kama alizozileta grand master.

So hapo kuna mawili Miss OP, either ukiri hukuelewa context, hukuelewa wanahitaji nini hivyo ukawa OP 😂 kuwaona walivyo OP kuziomba hizo data.

Au, itetee hoja ya mathanzua kwa maelezo yaliyo nyooka kama ya Grand Master, wajione walivyo OP hawajielewi. Yah yani simple like that.


Ops, you get to know something is fake pale unapokuwa na genuine info for references. Huezi kutoa au ku-judge kitu flani hivi ama vile kama huna back up data/taarifa za ku-support madai yako.

Na of course kwa mtu asiyejua hujawa na hasira kisha kutukana watu wanao mpa challenge ya kile alichokitoa. I call it higher degree of immaturity.

Huu ni ulimwengu wa hoja... Toa hoja tetea hoja full stop.

Hoja gani Mangi mbona kama umekechi hivii.

Kila kitu kiko wazi huo ubishani ulipoanzia nilitoa fact zangu nikaonyesha kwamba figure ni kubwa sasa unataka nirudie kitu kilekile ilhali mwisho wa siku jibu ni moja kubwa au ndogo uhalisia wanaujua wao huko field.

Na ndio maana kwa ujasiri nikasema nimefurahi kuona mtazamo unaoonwa wa maana na mimi ndio ivyoivyo ila kwa ukubwa zaidi.

NB.
OP (opposite point) sio tusi ni maneno yanayotumika kwenye mijadala.

 

[analgesic]

Pro Russia mnatoa darasa kubwa sana humu kiasi kwamba inatakiwa mlipwe

Sio wanatoa darasa ila kuuongelea ukweli huwa ni rahisi

 

[East]

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Meta Connectivity

Meta Connectivity

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[Galip Veryl]

Kuna mawili:

1. Kuna watu wanaochagua kwa utashi, hiba na huba zao ili kuelewa mambo OBJECTIVELY, na wengine SUBJECTIVELY. Nadhani member husika yuko subjective. Kwa vile anaiwamba ngoma, basi kaamua kuivutia kwake.

2. Anapodai kwamba wote wako sahihi, maana yake anakana waziwazi umuhimu wa hesabu za probability. Nimkumbushe tu kwamba kwenye kila ukadiriaji na ukisiaji, kuna error margin inayoruhusiwa.

Ikitokea ikawa kubwa au ndogo sana, utafiti wako unakuwa invalidated na kuwa nullified.

Naungana asilimia 100% na mtazamo kwamba Russian data ziko chini MNO kuliko reality--na bila shaka wamefanya hivyo kimakusudi ^car-bee-sir!^

Yap yap kama hivi, facts nyepesi mtu anazungumza unaelewa kalenga wapi.

As far as we know kabisa hakuna data za wingi zlizo exactly correct. Kila data zina some margins of error either + or -.

High margin of errors zinaondoa uhalisia wa data husika. Wenzangu wa Mathematics and Statistics hallelujah 😂

Sasa yule mzee alitoa hoja, badala ya kutetea hoja kwa maelezo yaliyonyooka akaanza kukashifu watu vile anavyo jua yeye 🤭

Sasa shangazi nae sijui niseme kateleza au makusudi akaongeza lake ambalo pia anakwepa au anashindwa kulitetea.

What's data? Tunajua data ni facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis. Enhe so mtu anapoomba data anamaanisha nini? Anamaanisha kua anahitaji facts and statistics azifanyie references au analysis.

So for that case, walio omba DATA kwa mzee wetu MR "always" Right walikuwa sawa. Na kama walikuwa OP kama Shangazi anavyodai. Basi athibitishe hilo.

Hiyo ndio challenge niliyompa the only shangazi in town 🥱.

Mda wa swala huu ngoja niamshe 🚶🚶🚶

 

[Galip Veryl]

Hoja gani Mangi mbona kama umekechi hivii.

Kila kitu kiko wazi huo ubishani ulipoanzia nilitoa fact zangu nikaonyesha kwamba figure ni kubwa sasa unataka nirudie kitu kilekile ilhali mwisho wa siku jibu ni moja kubwa au ndogo uhalisia wanaujua wao huko field.

Na ndio maana kwa ujasiri nikasema nimefurahi kuona mtazamo unaoonwa wa maana na mimi ndio ivyoivyo ila kwa ukubwa zaidi.

NB.
OP (opposite point) sio tusi ni maneno yanayotumika kwenye mijadala.

😂😂😂

Khaa!

Wewe mi sijanuna wala nini, nipo okay kabisa. Wewe tetea hoja yako. Hakuna mahala niliposema OP ni tusi, au nimesema kwamba umewatukana.

Hujawatukana, umetoa kile unachokiona so kosa. Sasa usiwe kama mzee wetu. Tetea kile ulicho kizungumza. Mbona simple tu bestie 🤪

 

[ngaboru]

Au kufupisha ni hivii sikua katika kujadili figaz ila matokeo ya huko field.

Mfano viumbe wengine tofauti na sisi Wana namna yao ya kujilinda(camouflage) ie kinyonga anavyo jibadili rangi ile ni defense mechanism si ndio ili iwe ngumu kwa predator kumuona wengine wanajikuza maumbo yao ( vyura) wakati kiualisia sio tishio.

Sasa ukija kwa nchi kama nchi na ukubwa wake kunazo defense mechanism zinazotumika kama Kim anavyorusha maroketi mtu lazima utie akili au uende kwa step kwa sababu haujui ukweli na ndio mbinu ya kusavaivu.

Kwa Russia m nilisema ni kubwa kwa kuzingatia 18% ya nguvu zao na Kissinger akasema wanategemea full war in mid August so kwa makisio ya wamarekani wanauhakika ni more than hiyo asilimia ivyo ndio maana wamepata ujasiri wa kutangaza ivyo.
Black market niligusia before grand master.

Ukiangalia zote A na B conclusion yake ni huko kunakopiganiwa wanajua huyu kusema ndogo au kusema kubwa haimaanishi ndio ukweli ila imeonyesha ufikiri wa watu juu ya haya yanayoendelea sio ndio mzee ndio mzee.

NB.
Russia ni miongoni mwa nchi kumi bora kwa mambo ya kivita ila sio kinga ya kutokufake vitu ili waendeleze (OP) katika engo wanaojua wao/ na Grand kasema figure zinazotolewa ni ndogo(fake)
Kubwa au ndogo =FAKE

Napiga kifua natembea mbele 😂😂😂😂😂👍👍👍👍

 

[ngaboru]

Na of course kwa mtu asiyejua hujawa na hasira kisha kutukana watu wanao mpa challenge ya kile alichokitoa kama alivyofanya mzee wa watu. I call it a higher degree of immaturity.

Huu ni ulimwengu wa hoja... Toa hoja tetea hoja full stop.

Ruge kuna msemo wake anasema anaogopa internet na Mungu.(RIP)

Nimejibu kulingana na ulichorepl😂😂😂😂.
Situmii lugha ngumu walaa.

 

[Mathanzua]

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Ngoja waumane wenyewe kwa wenyewe,hatimaye wata malizana without Russia firing a short.

 

[Bachelor ll]

Kwa hali hii nina wasiwasi na zile picha nyingi za vifaru vya urusi vilivyodaiwa kulipuliwa zilizokuwa zinazagaaza sana mitandaoni huenda vile vifaru vilikuwa ni vya ukraine na sio urusi

Ndio unajua leo ?

Wewe ulikuwa hauoni kifaru kinasambuka chote lakini herufi Z na V inakuwa bado ipo na haijachakaa ?

 

[Sigonella Island]

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[Grand Master]

Warusi wa chato, warusi weusi nawapa pongezi. Naufatilia huu mjadala wenu Galip Vrl na ngaboru

Nime elewa yafuatayo katika fatilia yangu.
1. Tanzania kuna watu mna uwezo mkubwa wa kupambanua mambo, hatuna hakika kama ni nyuma ya keyboard pekee au na kwenye jamii zinazo wazunguka. Mkuu Galip Vrl nakupa heshima yako.

2. Inaonekana Galip kainasa point moja yenye udhaifu katika maelezo ya ngaboru. Point ya "Walio hitaji data kua OP". Kwenye majadiliano yenu ina onekana ngaboru anashindwa kumjibu Galip kwasababu ana mtizamo tofauti na wa Galip kuhusu Data.

3. Galip anaona Data kama ni facts and statistics zinazohitajika for analysis and reference, vitu ambavyo waulizaji walikuwa sawa kuziulizia kwa yule kaka. Lakini ngaboru anaziona data kama takwimu (exacts numbers) ambazo waulizaji wa hizo takwimu walikuwa out of point because hakuna hizo (exacts number).

4. Hivyo Galip yupo sahihi, Ngaboru yupo sahihi endapo kama ukiamua kufata maana ya neno Data kila mmoja wao (Galip Vrl na ngaboru ) waliyo nayo.

Lakini tujiulize sisi tuliobaki nani kati yao yupo sahihi.?

Tukitaka tutambue hilo ni kujua maana sahihi ya neno Data, Tukijua maana ipi ni sahihi. Itatupa mwongozo wa kujua aliye sahihi ni nani kati yao.

Sitosema maana ya sahihi ya Data ingawa maoni yangu ni ALIYE NA MAANA SAHIHI YA NENO DATA, NDIE ALIYE SAHIHI kati yenu wawili juu ya hao kua sawa kuzihitaji data au kutokua sawa kuzihitaji data.

Niwashukuru nyote Galip Vrl na ngaboru

Majadiliano yenu yamenipa kitu flani akilini. Imenipa wazo kuu la muhimu, kua mnapotaka kujadili kitu vyema hakikisheni mna maana moja ya maneno mnayotumia ili muweze kuelewana. Ikitokea mkapishana maana ya maneno mnayo tumia kujadiliana, itageuza mjadala kua mabishano.

Galip Vrl Heshima yako Mkuu [emoji119]

 

[Risen man]

Sio wanatoa darasa ila kuuongelea ukweli huwa ni rahisi

Wanafanya kazi kubwa sana maana kama sio wao na wengine baadhi maeneo tofautitofauti ya dunia, basi waongo na wenye nia ovu wangefaulu katika kuwalisha wakaazi wa dunia propaganda zao.

Kwa uchache wao wameweza kuwatawanya wanafiki kwa njia 7

 

[Grand Master]

Hoja gani Mangi mbona kama umekechi hivii.

Kila kitu kiko wazi huo ubishani ulipoanzia nilitoa fact zangu nikaonyesha kwamba figure ni kubwa sasa unataka nirudie kitu kilekile ilhali mwisho wa siku jibu ni moja kubwa au ndogo uhalisia wanaujua wao huko field.

Na ndio maana kwa ujasiri nikasema nimefurahi kuona mtazamo unaoonwa wa maana na mimi ndio ivyoivyo ila kwa ukubwa zaidi.

NB.
OP (opposite point) sio tusi ni maneno yanayotumika kwenye mijadala.

Dada hizo facts ni data, faham Data ni facts. Naona mnapishania hapo, maana ya data ni facts inaipa nguvu hoja ya Galip Vrl kua hawakuwa out of point kuzitaka.

 

[Risen man]

Kumbe uzi huu utumike kama source ya ajira sasa. Ndiyo maana tukasema Tanzania iwe jimbo mojawapo la Russia.

😅

 

[Grand Master]

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President expects the US and UK to deliver tanks in the fall. On Bankovaya, they convince the Pentagon of the need to strengthen the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the counteroffensive.

 

[Grand Master]

The United States admitted that Lend-Lease does not work, and the Office of the President was expecting military equipment in September, and they had not even allocated it yet!
The Biden administration is now prioritizing not lend-lease, but military assistance for Ukraine, for which it will not need to return funds later, Voice of America reports, citing a White House official.

The official said that the Lend-Lease program provides for a refund for received equipment, while other programs under which the United States provides assistance to Ukraine, such as the USAI (Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative) and the presidential powers program, do not provide for a refund.

The latest deliveries of American weapons to Ukraine occur under these programs.

At the same time, John Kirby, coordinator for the US National Security and Strategic Communications Council, told Voice of America that the administration is still considering the powers that the lend-lease program provides.

 

[ngaboru]

Dada hizo facts ni data, faham Data ni facts. Naona mnapishania hapo, maana ya data ni facts inaipa nguvu hoja ya Galip Vrl kua hawakuwa out of point kuzitaka.

😂😂😂😂 Anyway mi na mtazamo wangu ambao hauamini katika data tena kwenye mambo ya kimedani.

NB.
Ngoma ikirudi kwenye izo figure si tutakesha hapa.

Naombeni mneilewe tuuu😂😂😂😂🙌 kwamba fikra zangu hazikua BURE ndio nilichokua napambania.

 

[Grand Master]

Our source in the Presidential Office said that the negotiations in Turkey were difficult, Russia demanded the admission of its representatives to inspect the ships, but our delegation took a principled position.

As a result, an agreement was reached that there would be Russian representatives from the UN who would work in the coordination center in Istanbul. Such a mechanism was agreed upon by all parties, which will allow the Odessa ports to be unblocked for the export of grain.

 

[Grand Master]

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Anyway mi na mtazamo wangu ambao hauamini katika data tena kwenye mambo ya kimedani.

NB.
Ngoma ikirudi kwenye izo figure si tutakesha hapa.

Naombeni mneilewe tuuu[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji119] kwamba fikra zangu hazikua BURE ndio nilichokua napambania.

What is the meaning of Data?

 

[Grand Master]

What is the meaning of Data?

I mean when you hear a word "data". Kipi kinakuja akilini mwako? My observation kwenye majadiliano yenu. Galip hajabase kwenye usahihi wa data. Amekwambia utetee hoja ya "Walio ulizia data wako OP".

Huu mdahalo nimeupenda sana!

Tell us, data ni nini?