Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Back in the spring, we wrote that the IMF had written off debts of 500 billion, but our Cabinet of Ministers did nothing to stop Ukraine from paying huge interest on loans! This year we have already paid almost $4 billion, and there are three more large debt tranches ahead.

The IMF expects Ukraine to continue paying its debts. This was stated by the representative of the Fund Jerry Rice at a briefing.

"Ukraine is carefully servicing its debt. And we expect this to continue," Rice said.

Answering a clarifying question about the absence of a recommendation to Ukraine to request a freeze on payments, etc., Rice noted that he has no other position than the one stated above.

The IMF representative recalled that at the beginning of the war, the fund provided Ukraine with a loan of $1.4 billion and supports it through the distribution of special drawing rights.

He clarified that the fund has created a special account under its administration for donors to support Ukraine, which was used by Canada, Germany, the Netherlands.

"We expect more in the coming days," Rice added.

He stressed that the IMF considers grant financing as a priority in terms of financing Ukraine right now.

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MI6 transmitted new intelligence to the Office of the President and the General Staff about the change in the strategy of the Russian troops, in relation to military depots and bases. Now BCs have begun to be delivered in small batches, and for the Armed Forces of Ukraine they are preparing tricks with pyrotechnics and false cargoes so that Ukrainian MLRS HIMARS spend missiles on empty targets.

The Wall Street Journal, commenting on the resignation of Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, writes that European governments are under threat of resignation due to rising inflation and other economic problems.

The publication notes that Macron lost his parliamentary majority in the elections, fueled by inflationary fears of voters. And Boris Johnson resigned under pressure from colleagues in the Conservative Party, who feared that the scandals that accompanied him would exacerbate the problems of a cabinet struggling with high inflation.

Similar, according to the WSJ, happened in Italy - the weakening of political cohesion and the impossibility of forming a stable ruling majority is also associated with rising energy prices and inflation.

green rajab said:

Yaani unatufata habari you tube we bure kabisa unamaliza bando lako kwenye viblog [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji23][emoji23]

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Ngoja wamletee fisi ana oparate kifaru kulipua base ya Mrusi ndipo akili itamkaa kuhusu vyanze vyake hivyo

Bloomberg: The European Union has slowed down assistance to Ukraine, fearing a gas crisis within the EU and embezzlement of the money provided.

The agency writes that the EU is "falling behind its high-profile promises to provide a significant aid package to Ukraine" as it faces the prospect of its own serious economic problems. There is a threat of a complete cessation of Russian gas supplies and a second recession in two years.

It is noteworthy that almost 2 months have passed since the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen proposed to allocate € 9 billion in emergency loans to Ukraine. But so far it has only been possible to agree on an initial tranche that covers only a ninth of this amount.

Previously, the EC has already committed itself to the reconstruction of the country, which is estimated at $750 billion.
Now, the EU fears the massive effort that will be required to restore and corruption problems in Ukraine.

And the IMF is in no hurry to "freeze" the debts of Ukraine.

Bloomberg: The European Union has slowed down assistance to Ukraine, fearing a gas crisis within the EU and embezzlement of the money provided.

The agency writes that the EU is "falling behind its high-profile promises to provide a significant aid package to Ukraine" as it faces the prospect of its own serious economic problems. There is a threat of a complete cessation of Russian gas supplies and a second recession in two years.

It is noteworthy that almost 2 months have passed since the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen proposed to allocate € 9 billion in emergency loans to Ukraine. But so far it has only been possible to agree on an initial tranche that covers only a ninth of this amount.

Previously, the EC has already committed itself to the reconstruction of the country, which is estimated at $750 billion.
Now, the EU fears the massive effort that will be required to restore and corruption problems in Ukraine.

And the IMF is in no hurry to "freeze" the debts of Ukraine.

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ngaboru said:

Kwa Russia m nilisema ni kubwa kwa kuzingatia 18% ya nguvu zao na Kissinger akasema wanategemea full war in mid August so kwa makisio ya wamarekani wanauhakika ni more than hiyo asilimia ivyo ndio maana wamepata ujasiri wa kutangaza ivyo.

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Aaaaah shangazi leo una nini kipenzi chetu? Mbona hii si kawaida yako.

Ona Urusi yasemekana kapeleka wanajeshi kati ya 150,000 hadi 250,000. (Hizi taarifa wamezisema west)

Ukubwa wa jeshi la Russia ni jumla ya kama 1,350,000. (Kiufundi Sasa hii ndio tunaita Data in term of figures, ambayo ndio basic ya reasoning juu ya kile kilichosemwa)

Kauli ya 18% imetolewa Urusi, na baadhi ya wataalamu wa mambo ya kivita walilisema hilo.

Tukitafuta 18% ya 1,350,000 ni 243,000.

243,000 ni jibu linalozijibu hoja zote 2, ya west kua Urusi wamepeleka wanajeshi kati ya 150,000 hadi 250,000. Vile vile inajibu ama kushahabiana na kile urusi wana dai kwamba wametumia 18% ya nguvu la jeshi lao.

Sasa shangazi huoni kama madai yako ya kusema 18% ni uongo hayana msingi wowote? Ni madai ambayo yamejaa hisia za kudanganywa ila sio kweli?

Issue ya jana ya kaka Mathanzua, kitendo cha kusema kua hizo data katika figures sio sahihi maana yake alikuwa na data(facts) ambazo alizitumia kama msingi wa madai yake.

Sasa hapo shangazi huoni kama kusema wako nje ya point wale walio-omba basic reference (facts) zake ndugu Mathanzua hauko sawa?

Na mimi niseme ni miongoni mwa watu tunao fatilia mazungumzo yenu na Galip Vrl

Alicho kiona Grand Master ni sawa na kile nachokiona baina yenu. Data ni facts na statistics ambazo hutumiwa kwa lengo kubwa la kufanya analysis ama references.

Hizo facts na statistics are not merely kwamba ni figures (number). Mfano mtu anakwambia sim yako imedukuliwa data. Maana yake ni kua imedukuliwa taarifa zako.

"Figures" zinaweza kua kijisehem katika hizo taarifa. Figures ni moja y aina za Data.

So na mie naungana na wale kusema kua walioomba data walikuwa sahihi, hawakua OP.

Hapa naona kama wenzangu, nyie wawili kila mmoja ana maana yake kuhusu data. Lakini mtambue mwenye maana sahihi ya data ndie aliye sawa kwenye hoja zenu.

Maana ya Data (Nje ya itumikavyo katika technology) ⚡Things known or assumed as facts, making the basis of reasoning or calculation.

Jana Kaka Mathanzua alichemka kwenye kujitetea hilo halina ubishi. Na hadi sasa hakuna aliye tetea hoja yake zaidi ya kuhamisha magoli.

Ajabu upande ulio hamishiwa magoli unapwaya, hizo 18% jana niliziona ingawa sikutaka kulisemea. Na leo umeirudia lakini sio hoja yenye mashiko. Inajibika saaana tu kama mtu yupo more detailed unless not.

Naungana na wengine kuwapongeza kwa mjadala wenu! Muendelee hivi hivi hakika inapendeza. Mtu akisema ndio atoe sababu, na akisema hapana atoe sababu. Inaongeza sana uwezo wa kufikiri.

Muuza viatu said:

Urusi anamstir mpinzan wake

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Putin ni msitaarabu sana

The AFU began to sew chevrons with the letter Z.

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Saad30 said:

Unamfahamu Alexander the Great mzee Roman empire?

Alikuwa anatisha lakini wajuba wenzie wakamtoa.

Ikiwapi sasa ile Roma iliyokuwa na nguvu kubwa sana?

Kwahiyo hata huyo USA 🇺🇸 nguvu itamuishia tu.

Au Mkuu umesahau dunia inaenda zake?

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I concur. Falmer hudondoka kindezi sana.. Alexander kipindupindu kilimuondoa na mzee Caiser Blootooth.

vunjo said:

Cheki mrusi anapelejewa mtoto huko kherson

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Kaa Kwa utulivu uandike vizuri.....

Mtoto wa nzi said:

Kaa Kwa utulivu uandike vizuri.....

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Anaitandika Ukraine au Urusi,,z,

ngaboru said:

Ruge kuna msemo wake anasema anaogopa internet na Mungu.(RIP)

Nimejibu kulingana na ulichorepl😂😂😂😂.
Situmii lugha ngumu walaa.

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😆

Eishiii, mwone. Hio mfano nao sijautolea kwako, nime refer alichofanya mzee wa watu alipoulizwa juu ya madai yake. Alikimbia kuita wengine wajing badala ya kuwasilisha utetezi wa hoja yake. Hiyo ndio immaturity ninayo izungumzia.

Galip Vrl said:

Argument yako ya "too low" naikubali, na hilo lipo wazi. Nchi zinazopeleka silaha wala hazipigani wanadai stock zao zina hali mbaya kwasababu ya Ukraine. Na nchi ambazo ni kubwa kiuchumi, na wana budget kubwa tu kila mwaka.

US kama mfano, ni B53 zimemtoka ndani ya siku hizi 140, ukiangalia silaha zipi kwenye hiyo fedha lazima uthubutu kusema kua figure za Urusi wanazotoa ziko chini mno. Na huenda kama unavyodhania, kwamba kutunza ile image ya Special Military Operation kwa dunia.

Ila kusema hizo figure ni kubwa duh 😏

Nikikumbuka ile picha ya Helmet ya yule mwamba aliyeandika kwenye Helmet kua wapo like in Hell. Unapata majibu ya hali mbaya ilivyo.

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Umenikumbusha Poland kaomba hata scrapper ili aweze kijilinda na sungusungu maana silaha zote kapeleka Ukraine 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

mwayena said:

Hahahahahaha "na wao"nakuelewa Mnato😂😂mna mbinu za kujifariji sana.

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Jamaa anafaa sana kufanya kazi wodini ...atatia moyo na kufariji sana wagonjwa.

Jasmoni Tegga said:

Kuna mawili:

1. Kuna watu wanaochagua kwa utashi, hiba na huba zao ili kuelewa mambo OBJECTIVELY, na wengine SUBJECTIVELY. Nadhani member husika yuko subjective. Kwa vile anaiwamba ngoma, basi kaamua kuivutia kwake.

2. Anapodai kwamba wote wako sahihi, maana yake anakana waziwazi umuhimu wa hesabu za probability. Nimkumbushe tu kwamba kwenye kila ukadiriaji na ukisiaji, kuna error margin inayoruhusiwa.

Ikitokea ikawa kubwa au ndogo sana, utafiti wako unakuwa invalidated na kuwa nullified.

Naungana asilimia 100% na mtazamo kwamba Russian data ziko chini MNO kuliko reality--na bila shaka wamefanya hivyo kimakusudi ^car-bee-sir!^

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Anakana Probability 🤣🤣🤣🤣 .... Level of Confidence....

Grand Master said:

Warusi wa chato, warusi weusi nawapa pongezi. Naufatilia huu mjadala wenu Galip Vrl na ngaboru

Nime elewa yafuatayo katika fatilia yangu.
1. Tanzania kuna watu mna uwezo mkubwa wa kupambanua mambo, hatuna hakika kama ni nyuma ya keyboard pekee au na kwenye jamii zinazo wazunguka. Mkuu Galip Vrl nakupa heshima yako.

2. Inaonekana Galip kainasa point moja yenye udhaifu katika maelezo ya ngaboru. Point ya "Walio hitaji data kua OP". Kwenye majadiliano yenu ina onekana ngaboru anashindwa kumjibu Galip kwasababu ana mtizamo tofauti na wa Galip kuhusu Data.

3. Galip anaona Data kama ni facts and statistics zinazohitajika for analysis and reference, vitu ambavyo waulizaji walikuwa sawa kuziulizia kwa yule kaka. Lakini ngaboru anaziona data kama takwimu (exacts numbers) ambazo waulizaji wa hizo takwimu walikuwa out of point because hakuna hizo (exacts number).

4. Hivyo Galip yupo sahihi, Ngaboru yupo sahihi endapo kama ukiamua kufata maana ya neno Data kila mmoja wao (Galip Vrl na ngaboru ) waliyo nayo.

Lakini tujiulize sisi tuliobaki nani kati yao yupo sahihi.?

Tukitaka tutambue hilo ni kujua maana sahihi ya neno Data, Tukijua maana ipi ni sahihi. Itatupa mwongozo wa kujua aliye sahihi ni nani kati yao.

Sitosema maana ya sahihi ya Data ingawa maoni yangu ni ALIYE NA MAANA SAHIHI YA NENO DATA, NDIE ALIYE SAHIHI kati yenu wawili juu ya hao kua sawa kuzihitaji data au kutokua sawa kuzihitaji data.

Niwashukuru nyote Galip Vrl na ngaboru

Majadiliano yenu yamenipa kitu flani akilini. Imenipa wazo kuu la muhimu, kua mnapotaka kujadili kitu vyema hakikisheni mna maana moja ya maneno mnayotumia ili muweze kuelewana. Ikitokea mkapishana maana ya maneno mnayo tumia kujadiliana, itageuza mjadala kua mabishano.

Galip Vrl Heshima yako Mkuu [emoji119]

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Huh nimezipokea mkuu, uko makini mwamba. Ni kweli hicho nilikiona kwenye ile reply y shangazi etu hapa that's why nika-mwambia hajaelewa context. Aelewe context kwanza ndio aangalie kama kile anashodhani ni sawa.

Nilikataa hoja ya mathanzua ya kusema kua ziko overrated ila nikakubali ya Grand Master kua ziko underated based kwenye vigezo ambavyo na yeye huyo Mathanzua anavyo na kaamua kuvitumia.

Sasa alipoulizwa hivyo vigezo vyake (data) ni zipi badala ya kuvileta akaamua kutupa ubatizo wa majina matam. Hilo likaisha...

The same case kwake pia, nilichukua point moja tu pale niliyoona haiko sawa... Point hiyo kama mlichokiona.

Maana halisi ya data.

Lakini akasema kua anaelewa so nikamwambia nae atuthibitishie kua wae walio omba data(facts) wapo nje ya point. Ila sijaona ata text moja aliyo jibu hilo zaidi ya kauli ya jana ya mzee Mathanzua.

Nikikupa kidumu cha mafuta nika-kwambia hizi ni litre 3, Ukipinga si unaleta uthibitisho wa litre 3 zilivyo mmh?

Ukipinga vifaa ni vingi, si unatoa maelezo ya ziada (data) kua hivi na vile kama ulivyo fanya wakati unatetea yako ya kua hizo data (figures) ni chache.

Shida iko wapi hapo 🤭

Jana ingefanyika kisomi kama yeye Mr Right anvyojipambanua, angesema kwamba like this...

"Data za Urusi zipo nyingi kwa sababu kadha wa kadha, Moja Idadi ile aliyo kua nayo kabla ni kadhaa, aliyopewa ni kadhaa. Jumla kati ya alizokua nazo na alizopewa ni kadhaa. Hivyo kwa idadi ya aliyotoa Russia imezidi."

So nae pia alipaswa aseme, kwamba "wanaotaka hizo data for references kama yeye Mr Right alizotumia zikampa nguvu ya kusema kua ni "nyingiii". Hawako sawa kwasababu wanatakiwa waamini kila kitu ni uongo no need for reasoning"

[emoji1258] At a reception at the French Embassy in honor of the anniversary of the storming of the Bastille.