Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Ukraine Drones hits Russian Navy Ships in Sevastopol harbor​

29 OCTOBER 2022 Ukraine

"There are reports that as a result of a morning attack by kamikaze UAVs and submersible drones of the Armed Forces Ukraine (AFU), the Sevastopol Naval Base minesweeper was damaged and the radar station of the Admiral Makarov frigate of the Russian Black Sea Fleet was hit by shrapnel."
Video from the area shows a bright explosion from the Sevastopol Harbor last night:




Who guided those drones for the attack is an issue, right now. Before and during the attack, a U.S. GlobalHawk unmanned aerial vehicle was in the area, loitering:

It is not officially known if the US GlobalHawk had anything to do with the attack, but conjecture is running high.
At this hour, 6:42 AM EDT, we can be reasonably certain that some serious damage was done to the Russian Fleet in Sevastopol.
The attack was at 5 AM, still dark, and 8 hours later there is lot of smoke from a considerable area.

UPDATE 8:07 AM EDT --
Statement from the Russian Ministry of Defense:
Sevastopol Bay was attacked by 9 UAVs and 7 marine drones. Minesweeper "Ivan Golubets" was damaged . . .

Intuition said:

Umesoma alichosema, yaani yote hayo wewe umeona ushoga tu??

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Kumbe na wewe unakubali kwamba amezungumzia huo ushoga, sasa kama ameuzungumzia huo ushoga si lazima nijibu yote aliyoyazungumzia, mimi nimechagua kusemea ushoga

Allen Kilewella said:

Ukraine na Russia, Ukraine ni hafifu kijeshi ila wana moyo mkuu.

Hawa watu utaifa wao umo mioyoni mwao na ndiyo kitu pekee kinachowapa morali wa kuendelea kupambana. Kila tone la mtu wa Ukraine linalomwagika ni sadaka kwa ajili ya nchi yao.

Russia mpaka wanaahidiwa kulipwa ndiyo wanapigana, wakati watu wa Ukraine wanaacha kazi kwingine wanaamua kurudi kwao ili kupigania nchi yao.

Ukraine inapigwa, ila Russia inatumia nguvu kubwa sana kuipiga Ukraine.

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Na baadhi ya warusi wanakiri hili kwamba hata wakishambulia miundombinu yote ya Umeme ya Ukraine hawa watu hawatakubali ku-surrender wako radhi uwaue wote lakini hawajali wao ni kutetea nchi yao.

Tizama hapa huu mdahalo

T14 Armata said:

Nimekuwa nasoma juu ya makamanda wa Urusi hivyo ninashare kitu baada ya Colonel General Alexandr Lapin wa Central Military District kuondolewa leoView attachment 2401371
Huyu alikuwa ni kama kamanda wa pili kwa umuhimu pale Ukraine. Ni baada ya lawama nyingi na kuangushiwa jumba bovu kwa performance ya vikosi vyake hasa retreat ya Lyman waliyotwambia ni 'tactical retreat' and the SMO was going according to plan. Lapin hakuwa anapendwa na Kadyrov wala Prigozyn wa Wagner PMC na milbloggers kadhaa ambao ni machawa wa wakubwa fulani kwenye jeshi.

Tukumbuke mwezi jana Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov alishika nafasi ya commander wa Western Military District baada ya aliyekuwepo ColonelGeneral Alexander Zhuravlyov kuondolewa, huyo hakukaa sana wala.

Lapin alikuwa Chief of Staff wa huyu Sergey Surovikin (aliyechaguliwa kuwa overall commander wa hii SMO) kwenye operation ya Syria. Kule hakuna kamanda alionekana hajui, walipewa tuzo wengi. Binafsi Lapin naona anasingiziwa uzembe na kulaumiwa wakati ndio kamanda mkubwa aliyekuwa hatarini zaidi kuliko wengine. Alikuwa anakaa sana frontline na jana alionekana anakagua defensive lines.

Kuna clip mwezi jana niliona wanajeshi kama sikosei ni wa National Guards (Rosgvardiya) wakikamata bloggers walioshutumu uendeshaji wa operation. Hao waandishi wana link na Wagner chini ya Prigozyn na walimpondea Waziri Sergey Shoigu. Kwa haraka ukipanga makundi unakuta Shoigu ni neutral wanaogopa kumsumbua maana ni mwaminifu sana kwa Putin. Ila Prigozyn na Kadyrov wanampendelea Surovikin na hawampendi Lapin. Staff kwa ujumla haimpendi Kadyrov anaropoka na kuwakosoa. Haitaki wakujipendekeza waingilie kazi ya jeshi.

Army General Valery Gerasimov ana miaka 67, anaweza staafu hasa baada ya operation maana kakaa muda mrefuView attachment 2401368
Kazi anaiweza na alikuwa na rekodi nzuri hata alipochaguliwa wapinzani walikuwa na imani naye. Inaonekana kuna kupima nguvu kujua nani anajua ili shift of power ikitokea kila mtu akae mkao wake. So far hatuna tena Lapin kwenye mlinganyo.

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Gallery Gerasmov amefufuka?
Alishafariki vitani huyu.

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Allen Kilewella said:

Kwanza huu mgogoro siyo mpya wala si wa 2014 bali ni wa kutoka mwaka 1991 wakati Soviet inasambaratika. Wakati huo kulikuwa na makundi mawili yanayopingana kifalsafa na kimtazamo kuhusu hatima ya Soviet.

Kundi la kwanza ni la wakomunist waliokuwa wanaamini kunahitajika mabadiliko kidogo sana katika mifumo ya kuendesha nchi na kundi jingine lilikuwa linaamini kunahitajika mabadiliko makubwa sana kwenye mfumo wa siasa wa Soviet.

Mgogoro wa makundi haya mawili ukasababisha majimbo 12 kujitoa Soviet na kujitangazia Uhuru wao na kutaka kutambuliwa kimataifa. Nchi hizo 12, Ukraine ni mojawapo. Kwa ivo tangu wakati huo, Russia imekuwa ikiona ni wajibu wake kurudisha yale majimbo yaliyojitoa Soviet ile yawe sehemu ya Russsia.

Na nchi zile zilizojitoa toka Soviet zinaona ni salama zaidi kuegemea NATO na Ulaya kwa Usalama wao. Kwa ivo kila kijisababu kikipatikana kutakuwa na hizi vita na mapambano kila wakati. Hoja ni kurudi ama kutokurudi Russia.

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Hivyo kwa summary ya ulichosema hapa ni kwamba Russia kaivamia Ukraine kwa sababu anataka kuirudisha/kuunda upya USSR iliyogawanyika 1991?

After Attack Upon Russian Fleet, Grain Shipments from Ukraine SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY​

29 OCTOBER 2022
The grain deal which created a safe ship passage through the Black Sea for Ukrainian grain shipments, was SUSPENDED INDEFINITELY today, after Ukraine used the Grain Shipment safe passage zone to send unmanned sea vessels (USV) to attack the Russian Navy Fleet.
After this treacherous breach of the Ukraine Safe Passage shipping lane, Russia cannot guarantee the safety of civilian bulk carriers participating in the Black Sea grain deal, and suspends its implementation from today for an indefinite period.
From the Russian Ministry of Defense:

Allen Kilewella said:

Kuna watu chuki zao kwa Marekani ndiyo zimewafanya wachague kukaa upande wa Russia, lakini kinachowashangaza ni kuwa adui yao Mwingine, Israel anamsaidia Russia.

Hii vita ukiitazama kwa mtazamo huo mwisho wa siku unatoka kwenye uhalisia unabaki kwenye matamanio. Kwa mfano Ukraine ikipigwa, faida kwa Tanzania ni ipi. Jee Russia ikirudisha maeneo iliyoyateka kwa Ukraine ama ikibaki nayo, sisi kama nchi tunafaidika nini?

Urusi ilifanya kosa kuivamia Ukraine na kama tungekuwa taifa letu lina misimamo kama ile ya zamani, saa hizi tayari tungekuwa tumeshaishutumu Russia kwa uvamizi huo. Kitu pekee kwenye vita hii ni kuona kama ilikuwa ni halali Russia kuivamia Ukraine??

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Mimi binafsi najiuliza kwanini NATO wakiongozwa na Mmarekani waliivamia na kuipiga Libya, why they did the same evil to Syria, the same bloody and deadly destruction to Iraq....?

Ina maana kama Russia angekuwa hana nguvu kama hao niliowataja juu ni uhakika Marekani angeshaingia na kwenda kuwavuruga vibaya mno....

Angalia watu wanavyoteseka huko kote nilikotaja....angalia hali ilivyo Libya it's a hell...Sasa kweli kwa akili ya kawaida kuona Leo hii kuna nchi inasimama na kujilinda juu ya udharimu wa NATO mtu unaweza kuipinga au kushangaa?

Na watu wengi wasichoelewa ni kuwa Marekani hana rafiki wala adui wa kudumu. Hata hiyo misaada anayotoa usifikiri anatoa bure..jamaa hana Cha bure. Huenda Ukraine ikaingia kwenye madeni ya kudumu na hapo totally wakawa chini ya Mmarekani.

Ndio maana inahitajika busara kwenye kuchagua viongozi. Mkichagua viongozi wa hovyo kama kina Zelensky ndio mwisho wa siku wanawaingiza kwenye matatizo tena kwa kununuliwa kwa ajili ya manufaa yao wenyewe.

Zelensky alitambua kabisa kuna mkataba walishaingia na Russia kwamba Moja ya conditions ni kwamba wasije wakajiunga na NATO lakini Leo anaingia madarakani na kuanza michakato ya kuingia NATO kwa hiyo alitegemea nini? Mwishowe kawaingiza wananchi kwenye matatizo yasiyo ya msingi...!

Allen Kilewella said:

Kwanza huu mgogoro siyo mpya wala si wa 2014 bali ni wa kutoka mwaka 1991 wakati Soviet inasambaratika. Wakati huo kulikuwa na makundi mawili yanayopingana kifalsafa na kimtazamo kuhusu hatima ya Soviet.

Kundi la kwanza ni la wakomunist waliokuwa wanaamini kunahitajika mabadiliko kidogo sana katika mifumo ya kuendesha nchi na kundi jingine lilikuwa linaamini kunahitajika mabadiliko makubwa sana kwenye mfumo wa siasa wa Soviet.

Mgogoro wa makundi haya mawili ukasababisha majimbo 12 kujitoa Soviet na kujitangazia Uhuru wao na kutaka kutambuliwa kimataifa. Nchi hizo 12, Ukraine ni mojawapo. Kwa ivo tangu wakati huo, Russia imekuwa ikiona ni wajibu wake kurudisha yale majimbo yaliyojitoa Soviet ile yawe sehemu ya Russsia.

Na nchi zile zilizojitoa toka Soviet zinaona ni salama zaidi kuegemea NATO na Ulaya kwa Usalama wao. Kwa ivo kila kijisababu kikipatikana kutakuwa na hizi vita na mapambano kila wakati. Hoja ni kurudi ama kutokurudi Russia.

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Hii ni Propaganda na chumvi nyingi ila msingi wa mgogoro wa Moscow na Kyiv sio huu!

Hakuna anaeichukia Marekani kwa kiasi hicho ila watu wanaichukia Marekani kutokana na Sera zake za mambo ya nje, Marekani yuko tayari kutumia rasimali fedha au kukuvamia kijeshi ili ukubaliane na sera zake na ikibidi uwe tayari kutumika kwaajili ya maslahi yake kuwaangamiza wengine!

Hapa chini nakuwekea link ya tweeter ambapo Barack Obama alikuwa kwenye kampeni juzi yakumuombea kura Joseph biden, angalia Wamarekani walimwambia nini.

Unaweza kumuona Mrusi hana haki ya kuivamia Ukraine ila unapaswa kujua kuwa Urusi imembidi kuivamia Ukraine kwasasa Marekani alikuwa anaitumia Ukraine kama nyenzo ya kesho kuja kuingamiza Urusi na ndiyo maana unawasikia katibu mkuu wa NATO akisema hawatakubali Urusi iishinde Ukraine maana Urusi kuishinda Ukraine na kushindwa kwa NATO, sijui kama unaelewa Logic ya hii Statement?

Marekani alikuwa Ukraine mda mrefu sana ila tu Mrusi alikuwa mpole mpaka alipokuja kuona kuna kitisho cha moja kwa moja juu ya usalama wa nchi yake, unaweza ukapuuza hii Logic lakini nitakuambia ukweli kuwa Marekani anatamani Mataifa yote ayatawale yeye. Nenda Asia pale ambapo Marekani anaitaja China kama tishio dhidi ya Taifa lake then jiulize China ana Military Base ngapi America? Je Marekani ana Military Base ngapi maeneo yanayoizunguka China? Kwanin tusimseme Marekani kama ni tishio dhidi ya mataifa ambayo anaona hayaendi sambasamba na siasa zake?

mwisho nakuibia siri kuwa sio kama asia hawana technology nzuri ila hawauzi kutokana na tabia ya Marekani kutopenda ushindani! hapa chini nakupa orodho ya makampuni yaliyodhoroteshwa na Marekani kwa kisingizio yanatumika kwa Ujasusi.

1. Huawei:- Hii kampuni ilishinda tenda ya kufunga 5G Germany na Ulaya ila figisu za Marekani zilifanya ile tender ife kwa kisingizio kuwa Huawei inatumika na Serikali ya China kufanya ujasusi hivo akawapiga Marufuku Ulaya wasije wakafanyanayo kazi.

Miaka ya 2015 -2017 kampuni ya Huawei ilikuwa inashika nafasi ya tatu kwa mauzo ya simu Duniani, 2019 alimshusha Apple kutoka nafasi ya pili akakaa yeye juu Samsung akishikilia usukuna, ila 2020 Huawei akaa nafasi ya kwanza, unajua kitu gani kilitokea mpaka ika drop tena? ni propaganda za marekani kuwa inatumika kijeshi, kuwawekea vikwazo Huawei kuwa ata atakaofanyanao biashara basi atawekewa vikwazo, kupiga marufuku mpaka kuuziwa chip, Vioo na makampuni mengine yaliyoko Ulaya ambayo yakifanya biashara na Huawe. Huyu ndiyo Mmarekani asietaka kupitwa.
2. Kaspersky Antivirus:- Hii ni Software maarufu na bora duniani kwaajili ya kujikinga Virus, mwaka 2017 walikutana na vikwazo vya Mmarekani

3. Tiktok:- https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ari-54207030&usg=AOvVaw0wS5eFxa3qxxXMstzpRjGM

BusinessOriented said:

Mimi binafsi najiuliza kwanini NATO wakiongozwa na Mmarekani waliivamia na kuipiga Libya, why they did the same evil to Syria, the same bloody and deadly destruction to Iraq....?

Ina maana kama Russia angekuwa hana nguvu kama hao niliowataja juu ni uhakika Marekani angeshaingia na kwenda kuwavuruga vibaya mno....

Angalia watu wanavyoteseka huko kote nilikotaja....angalia hali ilivyo Libya it's a hell...Sasa kweli kwa akili ya kawaida kuona Leo hii kuna nchi inasimama na kujilinda juu ya udharimu wa NATO mtu unaweza kuipinga au kushangaa?

Na watu wengi wasichoelewa ni kuwa Marekani hana rafiki wala adui wa kudumu. Hata hiyo misaada anayotoa usifikiri anatoa bure..jamaa hana Cha bure. Huenda Ukraine ikaingia kwenye madeni ya kudumu na hapo totally wakawa chini ya Mmarekani.

Ndio maana inahitajika busara kwenye kuchagua viongozi. Mkichagua viongozi wa hovyo kama kina Zelensky ndio mwisho wa siku wanawaingiza kwenye matatizo tena kwa kununuliwa kwa ajili ya manufaa yao wenyewe.

Zelensky alitambua kabisa kuna mkataba walishaingia na Russia kwamba Moja ya conditions ni kwamba wasije wakajiunga na NATO lakini Leo anaingia madarakani na kuanza michakato ya kuingia NATO kwa hiyo alitegemea nini? Mwishowe kawaingiza wananchi kwenye matatizo yasiyo ya msingi...!

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Tatizo wengi wana comment kimihemko uhalisia binafsi natamani marekani ifutike hata kwenye uso wa dunia maovu yote yeye ni kitovu

[emoji298]️ In Belgorod, Russia, local residents found zinc coffins in a garbage dump - the bodies of Russian soldiers who died in the war in Ukraine are sent to them, - Russian media.

According to Russian media, several coffins, together with icons and packages,were thrown out near garages on Privilnia Street.

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[emoji298]️Yesterday, a modular gas station arrived in Bucha, Kyiv region, which will allow generators to be refueled and work in conditions of power outages, - reported the mayor of the city,Anatoliy Fedoruk.

He noted that the city received the station as aid from partners from Kharkiv.

Mandonga kila siku anaomba mapatano ila wazee wa kazi wamemchunia

Putin ready for negotiations with West on certain conditions​

Ukrainska Pravda
Sun, October 30, 2022, 12:49 PM·2 min read
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  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia
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  Sergey Lavrov
  Russian politician and Foreign Minister

IRYNA BALACHUK – SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 11:49
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has reported that Vladimir Putin, the President of the Russian Federation, was still ready for negotiations regarding Ukraine.
Source: Kremlin-aligned news outlets RIA Novosti and RT
Quote from Lavrov: "[We are] ready to talk with the West about reducing tensions, but only if there are realistic proposals based on an equal approach."

Sela Son said:

Gallery Gerasmov amefufuka?
Alishafariki vitani huyu.

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Labda vita ya kuzimu

buccaneer said:

Kabla ya umeme na gesi walikua wanaishije ulishawahi jiuliza hili swali ewe kijana mwenye upeo mdogo

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Umemjibu Meya wa Kiev , mi nimehabarisha tu kk.

mtarimbo said:

Mandonga kila siku anaomba mapatano ila wazee wa kazi wamemchunia

Putin ready for negotiations with West on certain conditions​

Ukrainska Pravda
Sun, October 30, 2022, 12:49 PM·2 min read
In this article:

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  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia
• 
  Sergey Lavrov
  Russian politician and Foreign Minister

IRYNA BALACHUK – SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 11:49
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has reported that Vladimir Putin, the President of the Russian Federation, was still ready for negotiations regarding Ukraine.
Source: Kremlin-aligned news outlets RIA Novosti and RT
Quote from Lavrov: "[We are] ready to talk with the West about reducing tensions, but only if there are realistic proposals based on an equal approach."

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Atulie apambane, kalianzisha mwenyewe..,Sasa analilia mazungumzo ya nini.., afanye shughuli iliyompeleka kwenye nchi ya watu au kama shughuli imemshinda afungashe vilago aondoke,

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Hii vita ina mambo mengi sisi kama Afrika tunapaswa jifunza. Je kiuhalisia ni nani ameshambulia ile bandari?.. Ukraine au Urussi wenyewe!!..

Soma Kwanza:
Moscow ilisitisha mpango wa nafaka wa Ukraine baada ya shambulio dhidi ya meli za Black Sea Fleet zilizohusika katika kupata njia ya biashara.

Rais wa Marekani Joe Biden amedai kuwa "hakuna uhalali" kwa uamuzi wa Moscow wa kusitisha makubaliano ambayo yaliruhusu usafirishaji wa nafaka ya Ukraine kupitia Bahari Nyeusi.

Urusi hapo awali ilionya kwamba njia ya meli inaweza kutumiwa vibaya na wasafirishaji, na ilisimamisha mpango huo siku ya Jumamosi kufuatia kile ilichokiita "shambulio la kigaidi" kwa meli zinazohusika katika kuhakikisha usalama wa korido.

"Inachukiza sana... Itaongeza njaa," Biden aliwaambia waandishi wa habari huko Delaware siku ya Jumamosi. "Hakuna sifa kwa wanachofanya. Umoja wa Mataifa ulijadili mpango huo na huo unapaswa kuwa mwisho wake.

Urusi siku ya Jumamosi ilitangaza kuwa imesitisha utiifu wake wa mapatano hayo, yaliyosimamiwa na Umoja wa Mataifa na Türkiye mapema mwaka huu. Hatua hiyo ilikuja baada ya Kyiv kuzindua shambulio kubwa la ndege zisizo na rubani kwenye Meli ya Bahari Nyeusi na meli za kiraia zilizohusika katika kulinda njia salama za mizigo ya kilimo kutoka bandari za Ukraine, Wizara ya Ulinzi ya Urusi ilieleza.

Mamlaka ya Ukraine haikuthibitisha wala kukanusha kufanya shambulio hilo, lakini imesema uamuzi wa Urusi wa kusitisha mpango huo wa nafaka ni "udanganyifu wa kizamani."

Rais Vladimir Zelensky alisema makumi ya meli kwa sasa zimekwama, baadhi kwa zaidi ya wiki tatu, na kuishutumu Urusi kwa kuweka "vizuizi vya makusudi" kuleta "njaa kubwa barani Afrika na Asia."

Siku ya Ijumaa, Wizara ya Mambo ya Nje ya Urusi ilieleza kwamba wataalam wa Moscow wanaohusika katika kukagua meli zinazosafiri chini ya makubaliano hayo wanashinikizwa na msongamano "bandia" wa meli katika bandari ya Istanbul, inaonekana kuzisukuma katika ukaguzi mdogo wa mizigo.

Kufuatia mlipuko wa daraja la kimkakati la Crimea mapema mwezi huu, Rais wa Urusi Vladimir Putin alionya kwamba ikiwa itabainika kuwa Ukraine ilitumia njia za nafaka kusafirisha vilipuzi, "itatia shaka uwepo wa korido hizi."

Idara ya Usalama ya Shirikisho la Urusi (FSB) ilishutumu maafisa wa kijasusi wa jeshi la Ukraine kwa kupanga shambulio hilo. Ilidai kuwa vilipuzi hivyo vilitoka katika mji wa bandari wa Odessa na kusafiri kupitia Bulgaria, Georgia na Armenia kabla ya kufika kulengwa.

Makubaliano ya mafanikio kati ya Moscow na Kyiv yalifikiwa mjini Istanbul mwezi Julai kwa upatanishi wa Umoja wa Mataifa na Türkiye. Ililenga kufungua mauzo ya nje ya kilimo kupitia Bahari Nyeusi kutoka Urusi na Ukraine - mbili kati ya wauzaji wa nafaka wakuu duniani - ambayo ilisimama kwa sababu ya mzozo kati ya mataifa hayo mawili.

Mpango huo ulisifiwa kuwa muhimu kwa kupunguza tatizo la chakula duniani na kusaidia mataifa maskini zaidi duniani kuepuka njaa.

Kiongozi huyo wa Urusi, hata hivyo, mara kwa mara alishutumu mataifa ya Magharibi kwa kuchukua nafaka zinazouzwa nje kutoka Ukraine, badala ya kuruhusu kuwasilishwa kwa nchi zinazoendelea. Mwishoni mwa mwezi uliopita alisema kuwa kati ya meli 203 ambazo ziliondoka kwenye bandari za Ukraine kufikia Septemba 23, ni nne tu ndizo zilizokwenda nchi maskini zaidi.

Waziri wa Kilimo wa Russia Dmitry Patrushev aliashiria Jumamosi kwamba Moscow iko tayari, kwa usaidizi wa Türkiye, kupeleka nchi maskini zaidi duniani hadi tani 500,000 za nafaka ndani ya miezi minne ijayo. Alibainisha kuwa kwa kuzingatia mavuno ya mwaka huu, Urusi "iko tayari kabisa kuchukua nafasi ya nafaka ya Kiukreni" na kupanga usafirishaji kwa "nchi zote zinazopenda" kwa bei nzuri.

kp kipanya44 said:

Atulie apambane, kalianzisha mwenyewe..,Sasa analilia mazungumzo ya nini.., afanye shughuli iliyompeleka kwenye nchi ya watu au kama shughuli imemshinda afungashe vilago aondoke,

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Vijana wengi hawaelewi siasa za wakati wa vita. KILA taifa hujaribu kujiweka katika nafasi ya kukubalika kidiplomasia. Hii ya kusema TUPO tayari kwa mazungumzo ni kauli tu ya kuonesha sisi si wagomvi lakini hata ukienda kwenye mazungumzo huyo anayekuambia si mgomvi anaweza kuwa wa KWANZA KUWEKA masharti magumu kukwamisha hayo mazungumzo

Mpinzire said:

Hii ni Propaganda na chumvi nyingi ila msingi wa mgogoro wa Moscow na Kyiv sio huu!

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Kwenye bandiko lako mwanzoni unaonesha kama vile huwaamini Wamarekani, hapo hapo unaweka "Link" kuonesha nini aliambiwa Barack Obama na wamarekani kuhusu kuhusika kwake kwenye kuchochea vita vya Ukraine. Unatakaje sasa, tuwaamini watu unaosema hawaaminiki?

Ongea yote lakini chanzo cha vita ya sasa ni huo mtizamo wa kina Puttin na wenzake kwamba nchi zote zilizojitenga na Soviet wakati ule, ni lazima sasa ziwe chini ya Russia.

USHAURI: Wamarekani wengi wanaomuunga mkono Trump ambaye ndiye muasisi wa nadharia njama kuwa Biden ama Obama ndiyo wachochezi wa vita vya Ukraine na Russia, ni watu wa maporini na wengi wao hawajui kusoma wala kuandika. USIWAAMINI.

mtarimbo said:

Mandonga kila siku anaomba mapatano ila wazee wa kazi wamemchunia

Putin ready for negotiations with West on certain conditions​

Ukrainska Pravda
Sun, October 30, 2022, 12:49 PM·2 min read
In this article:

• 
  Vladimir Putin
  President of Russia
• 
  Sergey Lavrov
  Russian politician and Foreign Minister

IRYNA BALACHUK – SUNDAY, 30 OCTOBER 2022, 11:49
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has reported that Vladimir Putin, the President of the Russian Federation, was still ready for negotiations regarding Ukraine.
Source: Kremlin-aligned news outlets RIA Novosti and RT
Quote from Lavrov: "[We are] ready to talk with the West about reducing tensions, but only if there are realistic proposals based on an equal approach."

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Ndo ameomba hapo. Au amesema yupo tayar lakin kuwe na proposal za Kweli na equal approach.

Unazi umekuzidi Mbona??