Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Drifter said:
Mkuu that’s a pipe dream. Hivi sasa Putin anasota kuikamata Ukraine kinyume na alivyotarajia katika mipango yake ya awali. US wanafanya yao kumkamua taratibu. Kwenye battle front imekuwa taabu. Angalau tumaini liko kwenye kuharibu civilian infrastructure kwa makombora na drones. Aendelee hivyo hivyo labda atavunja nguvu za Ukraine hadi waombe negotiations.

Yeye ajue ameingia kwenye safari ndefu ya vita ya maumivu isiyo na mwisho. Wanaoumia sana ni ndugu zake raia wa Ukraine. Hawa wamejitoa mhanga. Bila shaka hata Warusi wanazidi kuteseka kimwili na kisaikolojia. Yeye Putin anajua hatma yake imeshafungwa na vita hii. Ukitaka ashinde basi mshauri ateremshe nuclear tu kuanzisha armageddon. Hawezi kupigana na US/NATO kwa silaha za kawaida kama kwa Ukraine tu kashindwa vibaya kwenye battle front. Akijidai kurusha makombora ya kawaida London, Kremlin inageuzwa chapati within hours.

Kwanza ashukuru sana kwamba ana uhuru wa kushambulia makazi na infrastructure ya kiraia huko Ukraine kama anavyotaka ilhali Ukraine wamebanwa kutorusha makombora ndani ya Urusi. Wao ni kujilinda na kumng’oa adui toka kwenye radhi yao basi.
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Kuipiga London hiyo ni kesi nzito mno ambayo Russia anapaswa abane makalio aikimbie kwa nguvu zake zote.
 
Mrengwa wa kulia said:
ile midege ya F35 plus manowar znakaa bara jingine znashambulia sebule ya adui wa bara jingine sjazungumzia nyambizi na mabomber ya ajabu na mabomu ya kishetani walio nayo.

wee NATO khabar nyingine shekhe.
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Waingie basi hapo Ukraine waziwazi Kama Syria. Waanzishe na kambi Kama Al Tanfu Syria.
Tuone Russia atajibu vipi.
Natamani

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Kwa hisani ya Aljazeera.com
 
Bukyanagandi said:
Niliwahi kusema kwamba Uingereza inajihusisha sana na suala hili la Ukraine, nikaongezea kwa kusema kwamba niwajuavyo Waingereza wataleta maafisa wao wa kikosi chao cha makomandoo wa SAS kufundisha kikosi maalumu cha Ukraine katika masuala ya kufanya hujuma behind enemy lines ie partsians - Waingereza ni mabingwa sana kwenye nyanja hizo, lakini wakumbuke kwamba na Warusi si mchezo watawafatilia nyenendo zao na kuwashugulikia ipasavyo, juzi hapa makao makuu yao nchini Ukraine ilitiwa kiberiti na high precision missile ya Urusi sijui kama kuna mtu aliye nusurika.

Kama vipi na Warusi nao wafanye mpango wa kuwapatia silaha na mafunzo kwa mara nyingine tena wapigania uhuru wa I.R.A ili wafufue harakati zao za miaka ya 1970/80s, na ikiwezekana wawa instigate raia wa Scotland nao wajitenge na England kwa nguvu i.e kwa mtutu wa bunduki, tuonena hilo Serikali ya White Hall watalichukulia vipi?

Binafsi,kwa maoni yangu naona Urusi ikitaka kumaliza tatizo hili la Wamerikani na Waingereza kuitumia Ukraine kuihujumu Urusi, mchezo huu utaendelezwa indefinitly hivyo ili kumaliza tatizo hilo Warusi wafanye mpangowa kui-annex Ukraine kiujumla, hata kama itawalazimu kupigana na NATO/US moja kwa moja -hawana jinsi.
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Na siku Mrussi atakapojaribu kufanya kama ulivyobainisha katika maoni yako 👆 👆 binafsi para ya mwisho hapo juu ndio utakuwa ni mwisho wa uwepo wa nchi inayoitwa Russia katika ramani ya dunia. Kwa nini? Nchi hiyo itagawiwa kwa kunyofolewa vipande vipande kuunda nchi ndogo-ndogo kwa majina tofauti na jina la Russia.
 
Wakuu, naona wengi wetu wameshangaa kwa nini jeshi la Urusi lilionyesha udhaifu mkubwa vile jinsi tulivyoona katika miezi iliyopita. Maana kabla ya Februari hata wabingwa wa Marekani walidhani ni jeshi lenye nguvu angalau ya pili duniani. (Samahani sitaki kuudhi hisia za wenzetu wanaoamini bado nguvu ya jeshi hilo).

Katika uwanja nyingine nilikuta hoja ambalo -kama lina ukweli ndani yake- labda linatusaidia kuelewa sehemu ya yale tuliyoona:

Is Russia's military still corrupt?
Let’s put it this way. Russia has been mobilizing their youths for war in Ukraine lately.
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What they receive upon mobilization is … uneven. They get a uniform and a rifle pretty much everywhere, but from that point on things become complicated. They have to supply their own boots, body armor, sleeping bags, medical equipment, even food. However these don’t really capture the depth of Russian military corruption, the most extreme - but documented - case is the recruits having to buy their own bullets.
(tuelewane - hasemi askari wote wanapaswa kununua risasi zao! Lakini iko mifano na ushuhuda wake)
You’re sending untrained men off to war and you ask them to buy their own ammunition? This is not because the army doesn’t have ammunition for its AKs, it’s not like that’s for sale for civilians anyway and there isn’t a different source than Russian military production. This happens because a commanding officer needed a bit more dough and decided to shake the conscripts and their families down for money. No matter how you feel about fighting in Ukraine, you don’t want to go there with an empty rifle, so you’ll do what you can to procure bullets, enriching the CO in the process. I’d say yes, that’s pretty corrupt.
 
Black Sniper said:
Hujui kuwa 25% ya millionaires wa Russia ni Wayahudi?

Sasa watampigaje wakati wamewekeza sana huko miaka mingi tangu holocaust?
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Unawajua au unawasikia! Hao matajiri tu wenyewe wenye asili ya mrusi hawakubaliani na putin na wengine putin katumia ubabe kuwanyamazisha na wengine kuwa taka watoe support kwa nguvu kama nanihii alivyo kua anafanya sembuse hao wayahudi wageni!!!? Huyo wanaruka nae mapema tu kwanza ana hatarisha maslahi yao pasipo sababu za msingi pia anahatarisha dunia nzima kwa sababu za kijinga yeye ana ardhi kiasi gani mpaka atishie nyuklia dunia nzima kwa kipande cha ardhi ambacho hata mimi fukara nikipambana nakinunua
 
MakinikiA said:
Mbumbumbu wewe ,wayahudi wanamshukuru mrusi kwa kumtoa hitla
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Mmhh! Matusi na hoja ni vitu viwili tofauti kiongozi hata hao waliofikia kupigana na wanatoa roho za watu huko ukrain sizani kama umesikia wakitukanana lakini vita inaendelea sasa ww na matusi sijui umetokea wapi! Jiheshimu kiongozi mambo hayaendi hivyo
 
China haifurahi mchezo wa lugha kuhusu silaha za kinyuklia upande wa Urusi. Ona taarifa kuhusu ziara ya chansella wa Ujerumani huko Beijing:

Xi warns Putin nuclear weapons in Ukraine is a red line. So much for a ‘no limits’ friendship​


Chinese President Xi Jinping told German Chancellor Olaf Scholz he opposed the use of nuclear force in Europe, in his most direct remarks yet on the need to keep Russia’s war in Ukraine from escalating.
During the two leaders’ first in-person talks on Friday in Beijing, Xi called on the international community to “reject the threat of nuclear weapons” and advocate against a nuclear war to prevent a “crisis on the Eurasian continent,” according to the official Xinhua News Agency.
The Chinese leader also spoke of the joint need to ensure the stability of food and energy supply chains, which have both been disrupted by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Kremlin officials including former President Dmitry Medvedev have warned in recent months about the possible use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine as Moscow’s faltering war enters its tenth month.
Xi’s comments send a clear message to Putin that nuclear threats are a red line for China, giving Beijing some common ground with Brussels on a conflict that’s strained ties with the bloc. The Chinese leader’s declaration of a “no limits” friendship with Putin before the invasion prompted Europe to reexamine the security risks of expanding economic ties with Beijing.

Sababu ni dhahiri
1) Xi si mjinga (China si Zimbabwe!) anajua kuna hatari ya vita ya nyuklia kuenea mno.
2) Xi si mjinga (China si Urusi!) anajua hata kama "vita ndogo ya kinyuklia" ingeharibu sehemu za Ulaya pekee, angekosa wateja wake muhimu na mipango yake yote ya kujenga uchumi na nguvu ya China itabatilihshwa.
 
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