Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

umshana said:
Unajaribu kujiingiza katika majadiliano yanayoendelea na sasa unalialia wapi majibu kwa swali lako. Hata ukilia kama mtoto huna kazi ya kuingilia katika majadaliano kama huna cha kuchangia. Soma yale tuliyojadili halafu changia,
Menginevyo si shauri lako ninachojua au kutojua, sivyo? (hakika tu wewe huna "classified information" )
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Sasa mdogo wangu unashindwa hata swali rahisi hivyo utaweza kweli kujadiliana na mimi?
 
Ukraine wanaongoza kwa kulalamika, mrussia ameingiza mzigo mpya......
Unakula drones kuliko mambaaa

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MK254 said:
Jeshi la Urusi ndio limefyekwa 127,000 na kuishia kufuata wafungwa na mateja, wamesababisha msiba Tanzania.
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Victory is inevitable!Kalia takwimu za mchongo hu
umshana said:
Mkuu, ulipiga makele kuhusu NATO kuvunja makubaliano na Urusi. Ambayo si kweli. Nionyesha ni kipengele gani katika makubaliano nilyotaja kilichovunjwa na NATO. Usisema, taja kifungo, tukio, tarehe. Na imi nimekuonyesha sehemu ya Section One ya makubaliano Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security ni kuheshimu mipaka ya nchi zote za Ulaya. Imevunjwa na Urusi kwa kuvamia Georgia na Ukraine kinyume cha kanuni za Umoja wa Mataifa na OSCE.
Sasa onyeshe wewe. Kile unachoita upanuzi wa NATO ni kinyume cha mapatano gani???
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Pitia hapa kidogo:

One of Russia's consistent demands has been for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to stop expanding to the east and pledge never to include Kiev in the security alliance. But NATO has long insisted it has an open-door policy to any nation that meets its criteria for membership.

The United States and NATO dismissed Moscow’s security demands as nonstarters in a written response to the Kremlin delivered last week by the US ambassador to Russia.

While the current standoff between Russia and the West is based on many grievances, the narrative of Western betrayal has featured prominently in Moscow's rhetoric for decades.


In a speech at the Munich Security Conference in 2007, Vladimir Putin accused Western powers of violating a solemn pledge by considerably enlarging NATO – most notably with the Baltic countries joining the Alliance in 2004 – asking, "What happened to the assurances our Western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?"

NATO has not stopped expanding since the fall of the Soviet Union, growing from 17 countries in 1990 to 30 today, several of which were once part of the Soviet-led Warsaw pact.

The origin of the betrayal claim
To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.

Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.

"The Soviet Union still existed and the countries of Eastern Europe were still part of the Soviet structures – like the Warsaw Pact – which was not officially dissolved until July 1991," said Amélie Zima, doctor of political science at the Thucydide Centre (Panthéon-Assas) in Paris. "We cannot speak of betrayal, because a chain of events that would rearrange the security configuration in Europe was about to take place."

In short, at a time when Westerners were offering the "guarantees" spoken of by Vladimir Putin, no one could have predicted the collapse of the USSR and the historic upheavals that followed.
 
Muite said:
Ila humu jamvini kuna watu watatu wanastahili kupewa tuzo ya roho ngumu na kuukataa ukweli. 1. Proved 2. MK254, 3. Kp kipanya 44. Mijamaa ni vichwa ngumu japo wanauona ukweli wa hali halisi. Ninachoyasifu ni kwamba hayapo tayari kukiri hadharani. Yaani haya ni wafia Ukraine kuliko hata Zeleisky.
Yaani yakiamua kubisha kuwa mvua hainyeshi na ikatokea kunyesha kubwa yenyewe yatasema ni mvua lakini haina radi
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Watasema imenyesha lakini Haina "ngurumo". ..🤣🤣🤣
 
Bome-e said:
Victory is inevitable!Kalia takwimu za mchongo hu

Pitia hapa kidogo:

One of Russia's consistent demands has been for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to stop expanding to the east and pledge never to include Kiev in the security alliance. But NATO has long insisted it has an open-door policy to any nation that meets its criteria for membership.

The United States and NATO dismissed Moscow’s security demands as nonstarters in a written response to the Kremlin delivered last week by the US ambassador to Russia.

While the current standoff between Russia and the West is based on many grievances, the narrative of Western betrayal has featured prominently in Moscow's rhetoric for decades.


In a speech at the Munich Security Conference in 2007, Vladimir Putin accused Western powers of violating a solemn pledge by considerably enlarging NATO – most notably with the Baltic countries joining the Alliance in 2004 – asking, "What happened to the assurances our Western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?"

NATO has not stopped expanding since the fall of the Soviet Union, growing from 17 countries in 1990 to 30 today, several of which were once part of the Soviet-led Warsaw pact.

The origin of the betrayal claim
To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.

Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.

"The Soviet Union still existed and the countries of Eastern Europe were still part of the Soviet structures – like the Warsaw Pact – which was not officially dissolved until July 1991," said Amélie Zima, doctor of political science at the Thucydide Centre (Panthéon-Assas) in Paris. "We cannot speak of betrayal, because a chain of events that would rearrange the security configuration in Europe was about to take place."

In short, at a time when Westerners were offering the "guarantees" spoken of by Vladimir Putin, no one could have predicted the collapse of the USSR and the historic upheavals that followed.
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mkuu naona unakimbia majdiliano yetu. Nilisema Urusi inavunja mapatano na mikataba wewe uliuliza na NATO je? Nikasema NATO haivunji mikataba na Urusi. Sasa unaleta malalamiko kuhusu mambo ambayo hayakujadiliwa katika mikataba na mapatano.
Urusi ilikubali tayari kwenye miaka ya 1970s kwenye mikataba ya Helsinki kwamba kila nchi ya Ulaya ina uhuru kushirikiana na nchi nyingine kwa hiari yake. Baada ya anguko la ukomunisti NATO haikutafuta nchi nyingine za Ualya ya MAshariki.
Ila nchi hizo ziliona Urusi kama hatari (si ajabu! Zote ziliwahi kuvamiwa na Urusi katika historia na kulazimishwa kwa nguvu ya kijeshi). Hivyo nchi hzo ziliomba na kusihi kupokelewa katika NATO. polepole NATO ilizikubali.
Ukraine haikupokelewa ingawa waliomba sana.
Ila swali la nchi kujiunga au kutojiunga katika NATO - hakuna mapatano au mkataba. Ukiona tofauti, onyesha! Hapa sitaki kuona maoni ya wanasiasa. kuna maoni na kuna mikataba.
 
MK254 said:
Mpaka sasa kwa Ukraine wanfurahia victory maana Urusi tuliyokua tunaijua tulitegemea ichukue Ukraine kwa wiki moja, imeishia kugombea kamji ka chumvi na kupoteza wanajeshi mara nne ya JWTZ.
hao mateja walioswagwa kwenda kupigana hawana jipya.
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Hebu nioneshe hao Ukraine wanasherehekea victory!
Watu wamekimbia nchi Kwa mamilioni,waliobaki wanaishi kwenye mahandaki halafu unaletq porojo hapa eti wanasherehekea victory😃😃😃!
Wewe inaonekana siku Ukraine ikipinduliwa kabisa basi utasema ni victory kwao maana wamepambana muda mrefu😃😃😃😃!
Wewe una definition ya peke Yako ya victory!!!
 
Bome-e said:
Victory is inevitable!Kalia takwimu za mchongo hu

Pitia hapa kidogo:

One of Russia's consistent demands has been for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization to stop expanding to the east and pledge never to include Kiev in the security alliance. But NATO has long insisted it has an open-door policy to any nation that meets its criteria for membership.

The United States and NATO dismissed Moscow’s security demands as nonstarters in a written response to the Kremlin delivered last week by the US ambassador to Russia.

While the current standoff between Russia and the West is based on many grievances, the narrative of Western betrayal has featured prominently in Moscow's rhetoric for decades.


In a speech at the Munich Security Conference in 2007, Vladimir Putin accused Western powers of violating a solemn pledge by considerably enlarging NATO – most notably with the Baltic countries joining the Alliance in 2004 – asking, "What happened to the assurances our Western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?"

NATO has not stopped expanding since the fall of the Soviet Union, growing from 17 countries in 1990 to 30 today, several of which were once part of the Soviet-led Warsaw pact.

The origin of the betrayal claim
To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.

Russia and the West finally struck an agreement in September that would allow NATO to station its troops beyond the Iron Curtain. However, the deal only concerned a reunified Germany, with further eastward expansion being inconceivable at the time.

"The Soviet Union still existed and the countries of Eastern Europe were still part of the Soviet structures – like the Warsaw Pact – which was not officially dissolved until July 1991," said Amélie Zima, doctor of political science at the Thucydide Centre (Panthéon-Assas) in Paris. "We cannot speak of betrayal, because a chain of events that would rearrange the security configuration in Europe was about to take place."

In short, at a time when Westerners were offering the "guarantees" spoken of by Vladimir Putin, no one could have predicted the collapse of the USSR and the historic upheavals that followed.
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Hizi nadharia mzisome nyie maana ndicho mlichosalia nacho baada ya supapawa wenu kuangukia pua...
 
Bome-e said:
Hebu nioneshe hao Ukraine wanasherehekea victory!
Watu wamekimbia nchi Kwa mamilioni,waliobaki wanaishi kwenye mahandaki halafu unaletq porojo hapa eti wanasherehekea victory😃😃😃!
Wewe inaonekana siku Ukraine ikipinduliwa kabisa basi utasema ni victory kwao maana wamepambana muda mrefu😃😃😃😃!
Wewe una definition ya peke Yako ya victory!!!
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Aibu aliyopata pale Mrusi ni total victory kwa Ukraine, bado nakumbuka hofu niliyokua nayo siku ya kwanza, huyu Mrusi nilidhani ni balaa, na alitegemewa sana na waarabu wenu, kumbe bladi useless tu...hehehe
 
Bome-e said:
Hebu nioneshe hao Ukraine wanasherehekea victory!
Watu wamekimbia nchi Kwa mamilioni,waliobaki wanaishi kwenye mahandaki halafu unaletq porojo hapa eti wanasherehekea victory😃😃😃!
Wewe inaonekana siku Ukraine ikipinduliwa kabisa basi utasema ni victory kwao maana wamepambana muda mrefu😃😃😃😃!
Wewe una definition ya peke Yako ya victory!!!
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Mkuu hata kama Wahuni waliharibu sehemu za Urusi - wapi unapata porojo Waukranine wanaishi katika handaki??
Ona webcam Kyiv. Hali ya hewa - basi jinsi ilivyo Februari. menginevyo mimi naona maisha yanaendelea , ila handaki sioni.
 
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