Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Bukyanagandi]

Usilete ngonjera mkuu...humu watu wanajua kwa nini hao jamaa wanatwangana.Hakuna asiyejua janjajanja ya USA....Hakuna asiyejua kuwa kikwazo kwa total control ya ulimwengu huu kwa USA ni Russia...Na hata uki-refer wanasiasa wa USA hata huyu Biden, alisema wazi changamoto zitakazotokea baada ya USA kujaribu kuwavuta Ukraine NATO
Hakuna asiyejua kuwa 2014 palikua na coup Ukraine..kupinduliwa kwa serikali iliyokuwa fruendly kwa Moscow na ikaingia serikali iliyo ant-Russia, mambo hayo ndo ya chanzo cha mzozo wa sasa...
Inajulikana tu pia kuwa coup ya Ukraine (2014) ilikuwa ni practice kwa ajili ya kitakachotokea Urusi...ikapelekea kuingizwa kwa sheria ya Foreign agent law ( Russia)...ambayo hata USA wanayo kwa miaka mingi...

Najua utaongea kwa ushabiki na kutumia mgongo wa kila nchi kuwa na haki ya kujiamulia mambo yake lkn ukweli ni kuwa hakuna nchi yoyote duniani itakubali nchi jirani yake ahatarishe usalama wake kisa kuna uhuru wa kujiamulia mambo yake....Wanasema haki yako inaishia pale, inapoanza kuwa kitisho au kikazwao kwa mwenzako...

Nyerere aliinyima Zanzibar kuwa nchi huru kwa sababu ya security reasons pia-Muungano ukalazimishwa..Karume akasaini..Zanzibar ikapigwa pin...na viongozi wa Zanzibar waliokuwa wanajifanya kuwa vocal kwenye masuala hayo ( hata wa CCM)...hawajawahi kuvumiliwa...

USA hawezi kukubali wapinzani wake wakae CUBA au Mexico pale, lazima pachimbike..

Haki inakuwa haki kama haihatarishi usalama wa mwenzako.....

Mkeo/Mmeo akianza tabia ya kulala na kisu chini ya mto- rationally lazima akili izunguke kujua sababu....kama haziekeweki lazima ujipange..

Kwa hali ya kawaida UKRAINE na URUSI wanakila sababu ya kuwa mataifa marafiki...
1.Wanampaka mkubwa sana
2.Ni slavic
3.Wanauhusiano mkubwa sana wa kitamaduni
4.Kuna watu wenye asili ya Urusi wengi sana Ukraine
5.Wanashare familia:Mtu yuko Urusi-babu yaje yuko Ukraine
6.Walikuwa na uchumi unaingiliana sana-viwanda-chain production inaanzia Ukraine inaishia Urusi

Zelensky mwenyewe...mpaka anakuwa Rais alikua anaongea Kirusi pekeee....Kiukraine kaanza kujifunza ofisini..

Zelensky kafanya kazi za commedy Moscow na huko ndiko alikochuma pesa zake za kwanza...

Hivyo hawa watu wanaukaribu mkubwa kuliko ilivyopaswa kuwa...hapo sasa na US kaingia kaanza kuwavuruga....Ukraine kaanza kupandikizwa chuki vurugu likaanza...

Na Urusi haiwezi kukubali Ukraine ikaenda West na kuwa tishio kwake....sababu

1.Ina-pride: Putin akishindwa:Atakayeingia lazima aanzishe vita tena....(Na Putin kasema kushindwa hakupo..labda WW3)

2.Inauwezo wa kuresist pressure za West

3.Inauwezo wa kijeshi kujitetea na kusababisha maumivu makubwa west..

Tuendelee kuangalia huu mchuano...lkn kwa maoni yangu Ukraine kayakoroga na hatoboi
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What a splendid analysis - BRAVO indeed, swali ni niwangapi wanajua undani wa mzozo huu wa kuchongwa na USA - ni wachache wengi wao ni kumsema vibaya na kumzodoa Putin 24X7,haeana hata habari kwamba Putin ndiye atakuwa mkombozi wa kweli wa Dunia dhidi ya mabrbrru haea walio kubuhu kwa kujifanya wao nfio wana kubali cha Mungu kutawala Dunia karibu kwenye nyanja zote - sasa Urusi,Uchina Korea Kasikazini na Iran wanasema enough is enough let what comes may -lakini hawa takubali kuendelea kuendeshwa na foreign policy za Merikani na vassals wake hata kama nikupigana WW3 ilu Dunia iondokane na ukiritiba wa Merikani kujiona ni bora na yenye nguvu zaidi za kijeshi kuliko Mataifa mengine - wiki mbili tatu. zulizopita ndio Dunia ilishuhudia kwamba most US Military hardware zinaweza kuteketezwa kirahisi na kiufanisi na silaha za Urusi - hizo ni conventional wrapons, je zikija za Nuclear si ndio zitaluwa balaa zaidi. Biden ajitafakari tena, haya mambo ya kutaka kumu-provoke Putin 24X7 hayatamfikisha mbali - yatamtokea Puani , juzi hapa se NATO troops wakishirikiana na Ukraine na USA wamepoteza wanajeshi 2,000 ndani ya 24 hours - what does that tell you??

 

[Bukyanagandi]

Kiev ‘facing tough resistance’ from Russian troops – Zelensky​

The Ukrainian president claimed that Moscow believes the current fighting will be decisive

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky gestures as he speaks during a joint press conference with his Estonian counterpart Alar Karis, on June 2, 2023. © Sergei SUPINSKY / AFP
Russian troops are responding fiercely to Ukrainian attempts to break through their defenses amid Kiev’s long-anticipated counteroffensive, President Vladimir Zelensky admitted in an interview aired on Thursday.
Speaking to NBC News, the leader said Ukrainian troops “are facing very tough resistance” and claimed that “for Russia to lose this campaign to Ukraine… actually means losing the war.”
Despite the apparent difficulties, Zelensky attempted to put an optimistic spin on the battlefield situation, describing the news from the front line as “generally positive, but it’s very difficult.”
The Ukrainian president also reiterated calls for supplies of F-16 fighter jets to Kiev, arguing that deliveries are being hindered by bureaucracy.
“We are losing time, we are losing people, and, the most important thing, we are losing our advantage,” Zelensky said, insisting that without Ukraine being given modern Western aircraft, “Russia is controlling the air.”
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Unalo mwaka huu!!!

Stop the war if you really care about you people and your Nation - if you think you can defeat a Super power like Russian I suggest you should have your head EXAMINED!

 

[Kalicho]

What a splendid analysis - BRAVO indeed, swali ni niwangapi wanajua undani wa mzozo huu wa kuchongwa na USA - ni wachache wengi wao ni kumsema vibaya na kumzodoa Putin 24X7,haeana hata habari kwamba Putin ndiye atakuwa mkombozi wa kweli wa Dunia dhidi ya mabrbrru haea walio kubuhu kwa kujifanya wao nfio wana kubali cha Mungu kutawala Dunia karibu kwenye nyanja zote - sasa Urusi,Uchina Korea Kasikazini na Iran wanasema enough is enough let what comes may -lakini hawa takubali kuendelea kuendeshwa na foreign policy za Merikani na vassals wake hata kama nikupigana WW3 ilu Dunia iondokane na ukiritiba wa Merikani kujiona ni bora na yenye nguvu zaidi za kijeshi kuliko Mataifa mengine - wiki mbili tatu. zulizopita ndio Dunia ilishuhudia kwamba most US Military hardware zinaweza kuteketezwa kirahisi na kiufanisi na silaha za Urusi - hizo ni conventional wrapons, je zikija za Nuclear si ndio zitaluwa balaa zaidi. Biden ajitafakari tena, haya mambo ya kutaka kumu-provoke Putin 24X7 hayatamfikisha mbali - yatamtokea Puani , juzi hapa se NATO troops wakishirikiana na Ukraine na USA wamepoteza wanajeshi 2,000 ndani ya 24 hours - what does that tell you??

Hata hawa Pro NATO humu ndani tulionao inawezekana pia hawajui the motive of USA kwenye hii Vita,pesa anazotoa USA na NATO kuisaidia Ukraine haijawahi tiles kwenye Vita yoyote ukitoa first & second world war ambayo USA alishiriki indirect

 

[Sigonella Island]

[emoji845][emoji2579][emoji631][emoji1099] More talk than action: “#NATO’s European members are ramping up spending, but defense companies want contracts before committing to expensive expansions”, - Politico claims, writing about "#Europe's strategic impotence".

"As companies ramp up production of weapons, they’re grappling with issues like inflation and access to raw materials, microchips and workers that also plague their civilian counterparts — but with the complication that military factories produce on a much smaller scale so have a tougher time getting their hands on scarce resources".

But doomers and Ukraine supporters claim that the Western industry is vastly superior to the Russian industry, and there are no issues..?

 

[Sigonella Island]

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[Sigonella Island]

[emoji845][emoji635][emoji3544] Since the beginning of the special military operation, over 10,000 servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have received special payments for destroying or seizing enemy hardware.

[emoji829]️In 2022, 7,064 servicemen received payments for destruction of 11,586 pieces of Ukrainian hardware and weaponry.

[emoji843]From 1 January to 31 May 2023, 3,193 servicemen received payments for destruction of 4,415 pieces of Ukrainian and Western hardware.

[emoji404]The payments are transferred to servicemen personal bank accounts under unit commanders’ orders.

[emoji829]️There are no restrictions on payments to servicemen depending on the number of enemy equipment they have already destroyed.

[emoji843]For instance, in 2023 pilots and air defence crews have received 300,000 rubles per each of destroyed 45 Ukrainian Air Force helicopters and aircraft.

[emoji829]️In 2023, units of Land Forces and Airborne Troops, as well as Russian Marines and artillery units received 100,000 rubles per each of each of the many hundreds of AFU armoured vehicles.

[emoji843]In 2023, Russian servicemen received 50,000 rubles for each of destroyed 1,501 armored personnel carriers, 203 self-propelled artillery systems, and 85 MLRSs.

[emoji829]️At the same time, servicemen who distinguished themselves during the special military operation received 300,000 rubles for each of destroyed 15 Tochka-U high-precision tactical ballistic missile system and HIMARS MLRSs.

[emoji843]In addition, Russian servicemen received 50,000 rubles each for the successful interception by air defence of 941 missiles fired by the AFU from Tochka-U tactical systems, Olkha, Smerch, Uragan and HIMARS multiple launch rocket systems, as well as for the destruction of each of the 1,211 Ukrainian medium-range unmanned aerial vehicles.

[emoji829]️Members of the Russian Navy, whose competent and prompt actions destroyed six Ukrainian speedboats that had attacked #Russian ships and civilian infrastructure in Crimea, have been paid 200,000 rubles each.

[emoji829]️Payments are currently being processed on the basis of reports from unit commanders in Zaporozhye and South Donetsk directions to Russian military personnel who have destroyed #Leopard tanks and armoured fighting vehicles produced by the #USA and other #NATO countries during combat operations.

 

[Labani og]

Ujerumani yaanza kulia ....... kuishiwa pesa ..... budget haisomi[emoji23][emoji23]


German Finance Minister Christian Lindner has put his foot down on the possibility of additional funding support for the EU's budget, saying the country has had to resort to penny pinching of its own.

 

[Sigonella Island]

[emoji845][emoji635][emoji316][emoji335] #Russian hacker group #Killnet, together with Revil and Anonymous Sudan, promised to destroy [emoji1099][emoji763] European banks within 48 hours

Task number one is to paralyze the work of SWIFT. Targets include European and US banks, Swift and the US Federal Reserve.

"This is not a DDoS attack, the games are over. No money – no weapons – no Kiev regime – this formula will work," the Killnet representative promised.

 

[Somoche]

Israel has finally done what was expected,it has confirmed that it will give Ukraine 200 Merkerva Tanks.​

15 JUNE 2023

Israel has confirmed that it will give Ukraine 200 Merkerva Tanks

Merkava - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It is surprising why Israel is doing it now,because this was expected a long time ago,because the war between Russia and Ukraine has been formented by the Khazarian Mafia for a wider Khazarian World control agenda and Israel is controlled by the Khazarian Mafia just as America is!! The offer could however be due to the fact that Ukraine is loosing the war and Israel believes the offer will help Ukraine in it's proxy war against Russia.To me however this will only lead to more slaughter of Ukranian soldiers and ill-adviced.President Putin however has made it clear,he said,"The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain,he continued,
"Any intervention by NATO's European armies will not change the outcome of the War."

Kwanza Hii Vita Imekua nzuri sana kwa Urusi wao wamejisimamia wenyewe kiume kupigana na Nchi 50 zinzojiita zina uchumi Mkubwa. Wanaume wamesimama imara sana...Ni jambo zuri wamejua nguvu yao na uhalisi wa nguvu ya NATO ambayo ni bla bla tu...

Shida Yenu kubwa hamjui haya mambo hasa Team LGBTQ nyie hamjiulizi kwann Urusi anapigana kule mnadhani anapenda?? ila bila kukapiga hako ka Nchi na kupeleka msg wangevamia Urusi pale...Wacha Ukraine ipigwe heshima iwepo...
Walitegemea Urusi itaanguka Chini na kusambaratika kwasababu ya vikwazo vyao...Niwambieni Ile Nchi ya Urusi ni imara sana inatuwakilisha sisi sote tulioumizwa sana na magaidi hao wa NATO...

KILA MWANAJESHI WA URUSI ANAEKUFA damu yake inatuhusu sote maana wanavunja mnyororo wa shetani ataetulazimisha tuolewe wote bila kujali jinsia....Asante Warusi

 

[Mathanzua]

Kwanza Hii Vita Imekua nzuri sana kwa Urusi wao wamejisimamia wenyewe kiume kupigana na Nchi 50 zinzojiita zina uchumi Mkubwa. Wanaume wamesimama imara sana...Ni jambo zuri wamejua nguvu yao na uhalisi wa nguvu ya NATO ambayo ni bla bla tu...

Shida Yenu kubwa hamjui haya mambo hasa Team LGBTQ nyie hamjiulizi kwann Urusi anapigana kule mnadhani anapenda?? ila bila kukapiga hako ka Nchi na kupeleka msg wangevamia Urusi pale...Wacha Ukraine ipigwe heshima iwepo...

Mkuu agenda ni kubwa zaidi ya unavyofikiri,ulichoweka hapa ni cha mtoto.

 

[umshana]

Baada ya Vita baridi kuisha na hatimae USSR kuvunjika ,kulikuwa na makubaliano kadhaa kati ya nato na Russia na moja ya makubaliano ni NATO kutojitanua kuizunguuka Russia or kutoweka millitary base kuizunguuka Russia !!!

Sasa ebu angalia kwasasa NATO imeizunguka Russia kila kona,ulitaka Russia afanyaje ndugu kama sio kujitetea?

Rafiki wa adui yako ni adui yako pia,na ukiangalia kwa kinachoendelea kwa Sasa pale Ukraine ni NATO vs Russia Confrontation indirect

Mkuu najua kwamba wengi wanaamini unachosema - ila hakuna msingi. tafadhali nionyeshe mapatano au mkataba unaodai ulikuwepo. hakuna.
Unachoweza kuonyesha ni mawazo ya wanasiasa kadhaa walioona NATO isipokee nchi ambazo zilikuwa nusu koloni za Urusi kama vile Poland, Baltiki na kadhalika.
Lakini hakuna mapatano wala mkataba.
Kinyume kuna mkataba rasmi wa Helsiniki ambako USSR ilikubali kila nchi ya Ulaya ina haki ya kushirikiana na nchi nyingine.
Kuna pia mkataba wa Minsk ambako Urusi ilitambua mipaka ya Ukraine (pamoja na Donbass na Krimea) na kuahidi itatetea mipaka hiyo.
Ni nani sasa aliyevunja mkataba?

Halafu unaamini kuna sababu gani kwamba nchi za Ulaya zimeacha kushirikiana na Urusi kiuchumi tangu uvamizi za 2014 na 2022???? Ingawa Urusi ilikuwa chanzo cha nishati nafuu na soko kwa makampuni yao??

Kwa nini nchi za Baltiki, Poland, Chek na Slovakia waliombaomba wapokelewe NATO baada ya kuwa chini ya Urusi kwa miaka mingi?? (na hakuna aliyewalazimisha hata kidogo kuleta maombi ya kujiunga na NATO!)

 

[mohamedidrisa789]

Majeshi ya Ukraine yaonyesha maeneo waliokuwepo wanajeshi wa Urusi kabla ya kutimuliwa.Waliishi kwenye majalala[emoji23]
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[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Vunjo mambo vipi

 

[enzo1988]

Huyu mzee kwa mikwara tu, hajambo!!!!!!! Au kuna jambo linaendelea na hatafahamu?????

Ukraine will soon run out of its own military equipment, says Putin​

Ukraine will soon run out of its own military equipment, Vladimir Putin has said.

Speaking earlier at the International Economic Forum in St Petersburg, the Russian president said Volodymyr Zelenskyy will soon be totally reliant on hardware supplied by the West.

He added that Ukraine has failed to make progress in its counteroffensive and said its army had "no chance" against Russia's.


Source: Sky news : 16/06/2023

 

[Kalicho]

Mkuu najua kwamba wengi wanaamini unachosema - ila hakuna msingi. tafadhali nionyeshe mapatano au mkataba unaodai ulikuwepo. hakuna.
Unachoweza kuonyesha ni mawazo ya wanasiasa kadhaa walioona NATO isipokee nchi ambazo zilikuwa nusu koloni za Urusi kama vile Poland, Baltiki na kadhalika.
Lakini hakuna mapatano wala mkataba.
Kinyume kuna mkataba rasmi wa Helsiniki ambako USSR ilikubali kila nchi ya Ulaya ina haki ya kushirikiana na nchi nyingine.
Kuna pia mkataba wa Minsk ambako Urusi ilitambua mipaka ya Ukraine (pamoja na Donbass na Krimea) na kuahidi itatetea mipaka hiyo.
Ni nani sasa aliyevunja mkataba?

Halafu unaamini kuna sababu gani kwamba nchi za Ulaya zimeacha kushirikiana na Urusi kiuchumi tangu uvamizi za 2014 na 2022???? Ingawa Urusi ilikuwa chanzo cha nishati nafuu na soko kwa makampuni yao??

Kwa nini nchi za Baltiki, Poland, Chek na Slovakia waliombaomba wapokelewe NATO baada ya kuwa chini ya Urusi kwa miaka mingi?? (na hakuna aliyewalazimisha hata kidogo kuleta maombi ya kujiunga na NATO!)

Umeshawahi kujiuliza kwanini after cold war,over 50% ya wanachama wapya wengi ni from Eastern Europe??

USA na NATO wanaweka nguvu kubwa kupata wanachama kutoka hilo eneo??
USA ni nchi kutoka Bara la America ,do you think why kwenye Bara la America hakuna mwanachama wa NATO isipokuwa USA?

 

[Jackal]

Jeshi la anga la Ukraine ladungua makombora 12;makombora 6 chapa khizhals na mengine 6 chapa kalibr ya Kirusi!
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Missile strike on 16 June: air defence shot down 6 Kinzhals and 6 Kalibr missiles

According to preliminary information, Ukraine's air defence destroyed 12 missiles during the Russian attack in Ukraine on 16 June.

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Kwanza Hii Vita Imekua nzuri sana kwa Urusi wao wamejisimamia wenyewe kiume kupigana na Nchi 50 zinzojiita zina uchumi Mkubwa. Wanaume wamesimama imara sana...Ni jambo zuri wamejua nguvu yao na uhalisi wa nguvu ya NATO ambayo ni bla bla tu...

Shida Yenu kubwa hamjui haya mambo hasa Team LGBTQ nyie hamjiulizi kwann Urusi anapigana kule mnadhani anapenda?? ila bila kukapiga hako ka Nchi na kupeleka msg wangevamia Urusi pale...Wacha Ukraine ipigwe heshima iwepo...

Mzee kashasema Ukraine yote itakuwa liberated ni suala la muda tu.

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

"Russia has more powerful nuclear weapons than the NATO countries combined, and they want us to reduce them - screw them," Putin said. [emoji23][emoji41]

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Putin about the drone attack on Russia:

"This is all an attempt to provoke a response. That we should destroy any building in the center of Kiev? We don't do this for a number of reasons."

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

TASS: Putin responded to Western attempts to persuade Russia to negotiate nuclear arms reductions with the phrase "f*** them*

 

[Cash Generating Unit]

Zelensky is the shame of the Jewish people - Putin