Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Dear Friends, I am once again addressing Russian citizens.
Thank you for solidarity, for unity, for patriotism.
Any attempts at internal discord are fated to failure.
Everyone united against the insurrection.
The entire Russian society acted for the Fatherland.
From the beginning, everything was done to neutralize the threat.
In any event, the mutiny would have been put down.
They had to have understood this.
They understood everything.
They understood that they went against the state, which meant that Russia was threatened, which meant that this could affect the front.
They betrayed those whom they drew into their crime. They wanted to get them to shoot at Russians.
The West, the Ukraine, the "pseudo-patriots" in Russia—they all wanted Russians to shoot at each other.
But they failed and made a mistake.
I thank all the Russian soldiers, all those who maintained fealty to Russia.
Their heroism prevented Russia from falling apart.
At the same time, the main bulk of Wagner are patriots of Russia. They were drawn into this blind.
From the beginning, on my orders, we made this bloodless.
To allow those who made a mistake to change their minds.
So they would understand their mistake.
I thank those Wagner soldiers and commanders who did not make a mistake.
You have a chance to continue fighting for Russia. To go back to your loved ones. To go to Belarus.
My word will remain firm.
The choice is yours.
The consolidation of the nation made all the difference. It is that which allowed us to remain united and firm.
 
Proved said:
Denazification na demilitarization ilishafeli kitambo, Sasa ni Vita vya kuamua hatma ya Urusi na Putin.
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Kwenye denazification bado Mrusi hajafanikiwa kwasababu unazi bado upo, ila kwenye demilitarization kafanikiwa kwa zaidi ya 100%. Kwanza Ukraine hana zana za kijeshi kwasasa ni mpaka apewe. Viwanda vyake vya kijeshi havizalishi. Pili haina uwezo wa kutoa mafunzo kwa wanajeshi wake ni mpaka wapelekwe kwenye nchi za NATO.
 
ikisimama panda said:
Mkuu tupo team moja, point yangu kubwa ni kwanini Urusi na Putin walimuacha Prigozhin akawa mkubwa kiasi cha kutishia uhai na usalama wa Urusi kwa kujaribu kufanya coup? Nilitoa mfano wa Marekani anavyompa misaada ya kila aina Zelensky na Ukraine ila kila siku haachi kuwadukua ili isije kutokea siku akapigwa kwa silaha zake mwenyewe ama maslahi yake yakaharibiwa kwa kiburi kinachotokana na misaada yake mwenyewe.
Kujifunza hata kwa adui sio vibaya, na kumbuka tukio la jana halikuanza ghafla, hii shida imeanza nadhani wakati ule Wagner na Urusi wanaelekea kuichukua Soledar kwahiyo watu serious walitakiwa wawe wameshamuweka kwenye mstari tokea wakati ule.
Unawezaje kwanza ku critize wizara yako ya ulinzi katikati ya vita na ukabaki salama? Ni kwanini nyie wenzetu hamuoni tatizo kwenye namna Putin na Urusi walivyomu handle Prigozhin??

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Proved said:

Prigozhin claims Russian defense ministry wanted Wagner to "cease to exist" starting on July 1​

From Anna Chernova


Members of the Wagner Group sit atop a tank in Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on Saturday, June 24.
Members of the Wagner Group sit atop a tank in Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on Saturday, June 24. AP


The Russian Defense Ministry had planned for Wagner private military group to "cease to exist" starting on July 1, the group's founder Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed Monday in an audio message.

"No one agreed to sign a contract with the Defense Ministry, since everyone knows very well from the current situation and their experience during the special military operation that this will lead to a complete loss of combat capability," Prigozhin said in the audio message.

But then he proceeded to say that some fighters did sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense, but claimed that it was only a minimal number.

"Those fighters who decided that they were ready to move to the Ministry of Defense did so. But this is the minimum number, estimated at 1-2%. All the arguments to keep PMC Wagner were presented, but none were implemented," he said.


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Prigozhin says march toward Moscow was a demonstration of protest and not intended to overturn power​

From CNN's Mariya Knight, Anna Chernova and Katharina Krebs

Yevgeny Prigozhin leaves the headquarters of the Southern Military District amid the group's pullout from the city of Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on Saturday, June 24.'s pullout from the city of Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on Saturday, June 24.
Yevgeny Prigozhin leaves the headquarters of the Southern Military District amid the group's pullout from the city of Rostov-on-Don, Russia, on Saturday, June 24. Alexander Ermochenko/Reuters

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin released new audio Mondayexplaining his decision to turn around his march on Moscow.

Prigozhin said he wanted to avoid Russian bloodshed and also said the march was a demonstration of protest and not intended to overturn power in the country.

This is Prigozhin's first audio message since announcing on Saturday night that his column was turning back "to avoid bloodshed."

"Overnight, we have walked 780 kilometers (about 484 miles). Two hundred-something kilometers (about 125 miles) were left to Moscow," Prigozhin claimed in the latest audio message, despite no evidence that his Wagner forces made it that close to the Russian capital. “Not a single soldier on the ground was killed."

“We regret that we were forced to strikes on aircraft," he said. "...but these aircraft dropped bombs and launched missile strikes."

The Wagner boss also claimed in the audio message that about 30 of his fighters died in the Russian military's attack on the mercenary group on Friday.

Prigozhin said the attack came days before Wagner was due to leave its positions on June 30 hand over equipment to the Southern Military District in Rostov, Russia.

The purpose of his forces' march toward Moscow, the Wagner boss said, was to prevent the "destruction" of Wagner private military company, and "to bring to justice those who, through their unprofessional actions, made a huge number of mistakes during the special military operation."

Prigozhin said the march stopped when the detachment "made a reconnaissance of the area, and it was obvious that at that moment a lot of blood would be shed. We felt that demonstrating what we were going to do was sufficient."

"At this time, Alexander Lukashenko extended his hand and offered to find solutions for the further work of Wagner PMC in legal jurisdiction," he added.
More background: Prigozhin had agreed to leave Russia for Belarus on Saturday following a deal apparently brokered by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko which ended the armed rebellion.

According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Lukashenko had suggested the deal to Russian President Vladimir Putin to help resolve the brief mutiny, during a telephone conversation on Saturday morning in order to "avoid the great bloodshed that would inevitably occur if the rebel detachments continued to move towards Moscow. This proposal was supported by President Putin."
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Huu mzimu wa 'Wagner' utaitesa mno Urusi kwa siku za mbeleni, kinyago alichokichonga Putin sasa kinamtisha.

Urusi itazidi kudhoofika kutokana na hii Vita na Ukraine na mzozo wa ndani.
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Kuna uasi mkali kama wa Chechnia?
Unajua wachechen walifanywa Nini na Putin baada ya kumsumbuabsana Chapombe Yelstin?
Unamjua vizuri Aslan Mashkadov?
Je unamkumbuka Shamir Basayev?
Hawa watu wako wapi kwa Sasa?
 
Proved said:
Kama Supa-pawa Urusi amefikia hatua hiyo ya askari wake kushindwa kuwasimamisha Wagner, basi huyu Supa-pawa amedhoofika sana sababu ya hivi Vita.
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Kama ameshindwa kuwasimamisha Wagner lkn kaweza kuwasimamisha NATO huo ni ushindi mkubwa.
NATO wanafanya mazoezi Kila siku wanatawanyikq,wanakaa vikao wanatawanyika,mbona Yugoslavia na Iraq hawakuwaza sana?
 
lee van cliff said:
Kuna uasi mkali kama wa Chechnia?
Unajua wachechen walifanywa Nini na Putin baada ya kumsumbuabsana Chapombe Yelstin?
Unamjua vizuri Aslan Mashkadov?
Je unamkumbuka Shamir Basayev?
Hawa watu wako wapi kwa Sasa?
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Bwana bwana. Asalalee! Putin wachechnya hawatokuja msahau. Aliwaambia 'nitawafuata hadi kwenye shimo la maji machafu ya chooni'. Nilisoma kitabu kimoja kuhusu chechnya, Putin inapokuja maslahi na usalama wa Urusi, ni mkatili sana.
 
Wildlifer said:
Bwana bwana. Asalalee! Putin wachechnya hawatokuja msahau. Aliwaambia 'nitawafuata hadi kwenye shimo la maji machafu ya chooni'. Nilisoma kitabu kimoja kuhusu chechnya, Putin inapokuja maslahi na usalama wa Urusi, ni mkatili sana.
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Asante kama Kuna watu bado mnakumbuka walichofanyiwa wachechen,lkn kizuri ni ameweza kuwatuliza na Sasa wekua watii kwake,Leo wake watu wasio na hata ardhi,yaani mamluki TU,ndio wasumbue mwamba Putin na res army?.
Kama Adolf mbabe wa NATO alikalishwa chini Leo waje KK security waisumbue Red Army,kweli?
 
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