Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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Wagner uprising "was almost hiding in plain sight," US Sen. Mark Warner says​

From CNN's Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Kylie Atwood and Kevin Liptak


Democratic Sen. Mark Warner speaks during a Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee hearing in Washington, DC, on May 16.
Democratic Sen. Mark Warner speaks during a Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee hearing in Washington, DC, on May 16. Al Drago/Bloomberg/Getty Images/FILE

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin's uprising did not come out of nowhere. US officials had been tracking his ongoing growing feud with Russia's Ministry of Defense for months and took note when threats were traded back and forth between them.

There were also signs that Wagner was stockpiling weapons and ammunition leading up to the rebellion, CNN has reported.

Democratic Sen. Mark Warner, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and a member of the Gang of Eight, told CNN that Prigozhin's rebellion "was almost hiding in plain sight."

Still, it was surprising to US intelligence officials how little resistance Wagner faced.

"Putin of 10 years ago would have never allowed this to play out the way it did," Warner said, adding that Putin is "clearly weakened."

"The fact that you have a mercenary group, that I don't think had a full 25,000 troops the way Prigozhin claimed, but was able to literally march into Rostov, a city of a million people which was the command and control for the whole Ukrainian war and take it over with barely a shot fired — that is unprecedented, to say the least," Warner said.

Multiple sources told CNN that US and Western officials believe that Putin was simply caught off guard by Prigozhin's actions and did not have time to array his forces against the mercenaries before they managed to seize control of the military headquarters in Rostov. Putin also likely did not want to divert significant resources away from Ukraine, officials said.

Officials do believe, however, that had Prigozhin tried to seize Moscow or the Kremlin, he would have lost — decisively. That is likely why Prigozhin agreed to strike a deal with Belarus and ultimately turned his troops around, the officials said.

Once Prigozhin launched his rebellion, senior US officials began scrambling to connect with allies and partners and reiterate a key message: The West should remain silent and not give Putin any opening to lay the blame on the US or NATO for the insurrection.

Privately, US officials were reinforcing to the Russian government that the US had nothing to do with the uprising — and urging them to maintain the safety and security of their nuclear arsenal, officials said.


From CNN's Natasha Bertrand, Alex Marquardt, Kylie Atwood and Kevin Liptak​


US intelligence officials were able to gather an extremely detailed and accurate picture of Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin's plans leading up to his short-lived rebellion, including where and how Wagner was planning to advance, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

But the intelligence was so closely held that it was shared only with select allies, including senior British officials, and not at the broader NATO level, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

It was not clear exactly when Prigozhin would act, the sources said. But he appears to have decided to move forward with his plan following a June 10 declaration by Russia's Ministry of Defense that all private military companies, including Wagner, would be forced to sign contracts with Russia's military beginning in July and essentially be absorbed by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

The intelligence was so secret that within the US, it was briefed only to the most senior administration officials as well as the Gang of Eight members of Congress who have access to the most sensitive intelligence matters.

The secrecy surrounding the intelligence was why some senior European officials and even senior officials across the US government were caught off guard by Prigozhin's attack on Friday, and the speed with which Wagner forces marched into Rostov-on-Don and up toward Moscow into Saturday morning, the sources said.

Some NATO officials expressed frustration that the intelligence was not shared. But doing so would have risked compromising extremely sensitive sources and methods, sources explained.

Ukrainian officials were not told about the intelligence in advance, either, officials said, due primarily to fears that conversations between US and Ukrainian officials might be intercepted by adversaries.

Biden spent the days after the rebellion fizzled out speaking with allies, including ithe leaders of France, Germany, the United Kingdom and Canada, as well as Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky.

During those conversations, he shared what information the US had about the rebellion, according to officials, in order to ensure the leaders had a better understanding of what was known to US intelligence.
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Putin amekuwa dhaifu Sana, alishawahi kusema hasamehi wasaliti ila Wagner wamepata msamaha tena watachagua pa kwenda..........ingekuwa ni Putin wa kabla ya hivi Vita hawa jamaa wangepata tabu Sana.

Hivi Vita vimeiyumbisha sana Urusi na Putin, mpaka viishe hii nchi itakumbwa na anguko lingine kama lile la mwaka 1991.
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Ila wa YUES BANA 😁😁😁 eti wanasema

US gathered detailed intelligence on Wagner chief's rebellion plans but kept it secret, sources say​

Na wanaendelea eti Biden alitumia siku nzima kuongea na viongozi wa canada ujetumani na uk kuhusu taarifa walizokuwa nazo. Hawa jamaa hawajiachi nyuma😅😅😅
 

Putin says Wagner fighters can sign up with defense ministry, return to families or move to Belarus​

From CNN's Katharina Krebs in London and Anna Chernova


Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday thanked the Wagner Group fighters who made the "right decision" and halted their advance.

"I thank those soldiers and commanders of the Wagner Group who made the only right decision — they did not go for fratricidal bloodshed, they stopped at the last line," Putin said in an address to the nation.

He also said those fighters would have the "opportunity to continue serving Russia by entering into a contract with the Ministry of Defense or other law enforcement agencies, or to return to your family and friends. Whoever wants to can go to Belarus."
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During the address to the nation, Putin did not mention Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin by name.

Prigozhin broke his silence earlier Monday in an audio message — his first since allegedly agreeing to leave Russia for Belarus in a deal to end the insurrection. Belarusian officials said they cannot confirm if Prigozhin arrived in the country.

Putin's address on Monday lasted five minutes.

"Armed rebellion would have been suppressed anyway," Putin says​

From CNN's Lauren Kent


Vladimir Putin addresses the nation in Moscow, on Monday.
Vladimir Putin addresses the nation in Moscow, on Monday. Gavriil Grigorov/Sputnik/AFP/Getty Images

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in an address to the nation Monday night, said the "armed rebellion would have been suppressed anyway," a reference to the insurrection launched by the Wagner Group.

"Civil solidarity showed that any blackmail and attempts to organize an internal mutiny will end in defeat," he said.
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Putin was speaking from inside the Kremlin in Moscow, according to Russian state media TASS.

The Russian president appeared to be speaking in a pre-recorded address.

Putin's last address to the nation was on Saturday morning while Yevgeny Prigozhin and Wagner forces launched their march toward Moscow.
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Putin na Urusi kuiruhusu Wagner kupata nguvu hadi kuwa kama jeshi kamili la nchi ni makosa makubwa sana.........huenda wakalivunja kabisa hili kundi kwa usalama wao huko mbeleni.

Kama Prigozhin atabakia kuwa na ushawishi alionao, litakuwa tatizo jingine.
 
Muuza Viat said:
Kwa mujibu wa Putin yey ndio alitoa amr jeshi lilipaswa kutowashambulia Wagner na ndio maana waliichukua kambi fasta tu tena bila mapambano na hata msafara wao kuelekea Moscow haukupata vigingi vyovyote vile lengo ni kudhibit mzozo usiwe mkubwa


Lkn Braza Prigozhin alipewa ofa gani kutoka kwa Putin mpaka kuamua kusitisha uas
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Mtajidanganya mpaka mkunye tikitiki

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Russian professional army of 'seven million' required to avoid repeat of Wagner rebellion​

A senior Russian lawmaker has called for a professional army of around seven million men to ensure the country does not have an over-reliance on mercenary groups.

"The country does not need any PMCs (private military companies) and their likes," Leonid Slutsky, head of the Liberal Democratic Party, said on Telegram.

"There are problems in the regular army, but PMCs cannot solve them."

Vladimir Putin increased the size of the Russian army from 1.15 million to 1.5 million at the end of last year.
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Liz Truss urges government 'to have a plan' in case Russia implodes​

Earlier today, former prime minister Liz Truss spoke in the House of Commons, urging the current government to have a plan in the case of a Russian implosion.

She said: "We, and our allies - including the Ukrainians, including the Poles, including the Baltic states - need to make sure that we have a plan in the case of the implosion of Russia."

While Foreign Secretary James Cleverly did not respond to Ms Truss's point initially, he later said that "the leadership of Russia is for the Russian people".

"We do not speculate or attempt to predict - what we do is plan and put in place contingency arrangements," he added.

"And so therefore, whatever the outcome of this conflict is, we shall be prepared."
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Liz Truss calls for UK to have plan if Russia collapses after Wagner mutiny​

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Anguko jingine la nchi kubwa ya Ulaya mashariki linanukia kama lile la mwaka 1991.
 
Victoire said:
Siyo igizo.Sababu Wagner walikuwa wanapambania maslahi yao. Na Putin hawataki tena Wagner hapo Ukraine,sababu anaogopa wakikua zaidi ni hatari sana kwake.Ndo maana anataka wawe waajiriwa wa jeshi la ulinzi serikalini. Prigo alikasirika maana hakutakuwa na hela tena.
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Wagner wana recruit new fighters au huna habari? . Labda nikupe usiyoyajua Wagner ni ya Putin, Prigo alipewa kazi ya kusimamia tu.
 
NiggaPac said:
Wagner wana recruit new fighters au huna habari? . Labda nikupe usiyoyajua Wagner ni ya Putin, Prigo alipewa kazi ya kusimamia tu.
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Hilo ninalijua,na Wagner wapo Africa ,hivyo lazima waajiri watu.Sasa msimamizi kumpindua mkuu ni kitu kinawezekana kabisa. Refer Sudani,lile jeshi aliunda Bashir ili kupambana Darfour ,Dogolo alikuwa nani na sasa Sudan kuna nini?Hivyo Putin ana haki ya kumuogopa Prigo. Wanaangalia mbali zaidi.
 
Ni kweli,Kwa sababu,nchi zote MARAFIKI WA urusi viongizi wa kisiasa,na kidini walisimama upande wa Putin,pia baadhi ya wapiganaji wa Wagner PMC walikataa kufanya uasi, Wanajeshi wa Chechenya walikuwa njiani kupigana na Wagner PMC,yaani Prighozin angeshindwa tu!
DAEMUSHIN said:
An armed rebellion would still be suppressed”l
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Victoire said:
Hilo ninalijua,na Wagner wapo Africa ,hivyo lazima waajiri watu.Sasa msimamizi kumpindua mkuu ni kitu kinawezekana kabisa. Refer Sudani,lile jeshi aliunda Bashir ili kupambana Darfour ,Dogolo alikuwa nani na sasa Sudan kuna nini?Hivyo Putin ana haki ya kumuogopa Prigo. Wanaangalia mbali zaidi.
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Mpaka saiv haipaswi kuweka hitimisho.Pamoja na hotuba ya putin na wachambuzi mbalimbali bado hakutoi hitimisho what is going on.Nadhani ngoja tuupe mda nafasi.

Kuna mambo mengi yanayofikirisha sana. Na kuna maswali magumu yasio na majibu kuhusiana na rusia V.S wagner.


Afu scenario ya sudani huwezi ifananisha na taifa kama urusi. Hata hapo sudani inasemekana mgogoro unachochewa na merekani na urusi.
 
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