Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

MOTOCHINI · Dec 2, 2023

Walisha Jichokea hawa kutoa Msaada

Germany announced a new package of military aid to Ukraine

▪️4 8x8 HX81 tractors and semi-trailers for them;
▪️3 trucks;
▪️2 vehicles for the border service;
▪️5 drone detection systems;
▪️Mobile antenna-mast system;
▪️3840 artillery ammunition;
▪️25 laser rangefinders;
▪️15 HLR 338 sniper rifles and 60 thousand rounds of ammunition for them.

Nkuba25 · Dec 2, 2023

Wameanza kugeukana

Mayor wa Kiev amesema kwamba kwa sasa nchi ya Ukraine imeharibika na imekuwa ya hovyo na Institutions zinazotakiwa kuongoza nchi zimeshakufa.

Anasema kwamba kwa sasa mambo yanaenda kulingana na siku hiyo Zelensky atakuwa ameamka na mood ya namna gani.

Huyu Mayor mwanzoni SMO alikuwaga na mdomo sana.

Lwiva · Dec 2, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Urusi ni jeshi lisilokuwa organized kwa nchi serious. Hiyo Ukraine kabla ya vita ilikuwa inaizidiwa hata na jeshi la Misri. Sasa imagine Urusi inapigana na adui dhaifu namna hiyo.

Kitendo cha kuilinganisha Ukraine dhidi ya Urusi ni kuionyesha Urusi kama dhoofu. Hatuwezi kuwa tunazungumzia mpira alafu ukashangilia kwa nguvu jinsi Barcelona ilivyoifunga Swansea. Hapo unaonyesha Barcelona ni timu ndogo.

Marekani alipigwa Vietnam na magobore tu na mitego ya kunasia nguchiro maporini ...hoja yako hii imetosha kukutunuku tuzo ya (mtukufu mpumbavu) kazi aliyo fanya bwana putin hakuna nchi yoyote ingeweza hata china kwa sasa anamuogopa mrussi tofauti na kabla ya hii vita..maana mrussi kaonyesha uwezo mkubwa wa kijeshi na kisayansi ulio very active kuliko nchi yoyote duniani ...uwezo wa kubadili mbinu na tec na kutoa mifumo mipya ya kitec inayo tokana na aina ya silaha za adui na kuzidhibiti.

Jacob kalokola · Dec 2, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Urusi ni jeshi lisilokuwa organized kwa nchi serious. Hiyo Ukraine kabla ya vita ilikuwa inaizidiwa hata na jeshi la Misri. Sasa imagine Urusi inapigana na adui dhaifu namna hiyo.

Kitendo cha kuilinganisha Ukraine dhidi ya Urusi ni kuionyesha Urusi kama dhoofu. Hatuwezi kuwa tunazungumzia mpira alafu ukashangilia kwa nguvu jinsi Barcelona ilivyoifunga Swansea. Hapo unaonyesha Barcelona ni timu ndogo.

Kwani Urusi inapigana na Ukraine au na Mataifa 40 yanayotuma silaha na watumiaji wa hizo silaha, sababu Ukraine hawajuhi kuzitumia.
Hivyo basi ni Vita ya Urusi na NATO.

Jasmoni Tegga · Dec 2, 2023

Proved said:
Hizo habari za manazi wa Ukraine kuua watu ni upuuzi tu.

Weka ushahidi hapa

Ungekubali hiyo hoja ningestaajabu sana.

Hulka yako ni ya wale mashabiki zimwe wa NATO wanaokesha kutwa kucha wakidai eti Zelensky na Ukreni wanashinda vita.

If you cannot accept even the slightest, obvious fact, then no preponderance of sound judgment will ever convince you.

Proved · Dec 2, 2023

Jasmoni Tegga said:
Ungekubali hiyo hoja ningestaajabu sana.

Hulka yako ni ya wale mashabiki zimwe wa NATO wanaokesha kutwa kucha wakidai eti Zelensky na Ukreni wanashinda vita.

If you cannot accept even the slightest, obvious fact, then no amount of sound information will ever convince you.

Ushahidi upo wapi ?

Jacob kalokola · Dec 2, 2023

mohamedidrisa789 said:
Kwanza unatakiwa uwaeshimu sana Warusi kwa sababu tulikuwa kwenye uwongo wa muda mrefu sana.

Ukraine+Nato+Marekani+washirika wengine+Vikwazo vs Urusi

Bado mwanaume kaweza kutoboa.nitajie wewe nchi tofauti ambayo unaona inaweza kuingia kwenye vita kama hii na bado ikatoboa, kama ilivyofanya Urusi.

Nipo nasubiri jibu

Hawezi pata majibu sababu roho yake inamsuta.

Ramesses II · Dec 2, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Urusi ni jeshi lisilokuwa organized kwa nchi serious. Hiyo Ukraine kabla ya vita ilikuwa inaizidiwa hata na jeshi la Misri. Sasa imagine Urusi inapigana na adui dhaifu namna hiyo.

Kitendo cha kuilinganisha Ukraine dhidi ya Urusi ni kuionyesha Urusi kama dhoofu. Hatuwezi kuwa tunazungumzia mpira alafu ukashangilia kwa nguvu jinsi Barcelona ilivyoifunga Swansea. Hapo unaonyesha Barcelona ni timu ndogo.

Huyu uwongo wako umepata kiwango Cha lami kwamba Ukraine kijeshi ilikuwa inazidiwa na Misri

Jacob kalokola · Dec 2, 2023

Lwiva said:
Marekani alipigwa Vietnam na magobore tu na mitego ya kunasia nguchiro maporini ...hoja yako hii imetosha kukutunuku tuzo ya (mtukufu mpumbavu) kazi aliyo fanya bwana putin hakuna nchi yoyote ingeweza hata china kwa sasa anamuogopa mrussi tofauti na kabla ya hii vita..maana mrussi kaonyesha uwezo mkubwa wa kijeshi na kisayansi ulio very active kuliko nchi yoyote duniani ...uwezo wa kubadili mbinu na tec na kutoa mifumo mipya ya kitec inayo tokana na aina ya silaha za adui na kuzidhibiti.

Urusi ni habari nyingine!

D A E M U S H I N · Dec 2, 2023

Nkuba25 said:
Wameanza kugeukana

Mayor wa Kiev amesema kwamba kwa sasa nchi ya Ukraine imeharibika na imekuwa ya hovyo na Institutions zinazotakiwa kuongoza nchi zimeshakufa.

Huyu klitschko si ndiye yule aliyetwambia wametungua kinzhal missile na akatuonyesha mpaka kombora la kinzhal

D A E M U S H I N · Dec 2, 2023

Kuna mahojiano nimeyasikiliza ya mke wa zelensky,

Anasema asingelipenda kumuona mumewe anagombania tena uraisi kwa kipindi kijacho

Jasmoni Tegga · Dec 2, 2023

D A E M U S H I N said:
Kuna mahojiano nimeyasikiliza ya mke wa zelensky,

Anasema asingelipenda kumuona mumewe anagombania tena uraisi kwa kipindi kijacho

Sidhani kama kuna kipindi kijacho kwa Ukreni.

Uamuzi wao wa kumsikiliza Marekani, badala ya kujitegemea wenyewe na kuishi vizuri na jirani yao, umewagharimu sana.

^There won't be Ukraine after the SMO^

Jasmoni Tegga · Dec 2, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Sijawahi amini counteroffensive isiyo na 3:1 kwa attacking army versus defending army kama majeshi hayo yana nguvu sawa.
Sasa kwa Ukraine na Urusi bado Urusi ndio ina advantage kwa population, number of combatants na weaponry hivyo hakuna uwezekano Ukraine ishinde labda kuwepo na uzembe wa hali ya juu kwa Urusi.
Hapa ni attrition mpaka mmoja achoke.

Akaunti imedukuliwa

Proved said:
Na hapo kwenye attrition Urusi ndiye mnufaika mkubwa mno, maana ana man power ya kutosha na artillery zisizo na idadi.....hivyo mwishowe Ukraine atashindwa.

Nadhani pia Urusi walikuwa na muda mrefu sana wa kutengeneza defense lines imara kuzuia counter offensive,

Bado tena Ukraine hana airpower nzuri ya kutoa support kwa offensive yake.

Kiufupi Ukraine sioni kama atatoboa kwenye hii counter offensive na wafadhili wake ndio hao wamegeukia huko Gaza na uchaguzi wa Marekani huenda ukaharibu kabisa mambo.

Akaunti imedukuliwa

Jasmoni Tegga · Dec 2, 2023

Lwiva said:
Ukweli ni kwamba silaha za urusi zina tec kubwa kuliko za nato ...ugumu wa kulipua kifaru kimoja cha urusi kilicho na high tec ni sawa na kulipua vifaru 8 vya marekani vyenye high tec....vifaru vya marekani vilikuwa vina shindwa hata kumuona adui maana havikuweza kata kumsogerea mrusi umbali wa km 8 uso kwa uso vililipuliwa vikiwa mbali kabisa na adui vingine vili haribika vyenyewe bila hata ya kuguswa na adui

Kuna hivi vifaru supposedly bora kabisa vya Marekani, visipochekechwa injini kila 24 hours, ngoma zinakata moto zenyewe.

Jacob kalokola said:
Ukraine imekiri kabisa kuwa vifaru vya Marekani vinahitaji Service walau ya air cleaner Mara 1 kwa masaa 12 na ni vizito vinazama.

Shuhuda wa Ukreni:

👉^I think these American military equipments are not better suited for combat against the Russians.^

ikisimama panda · Dec 2, 2023

Proved said:
Dah!...noma sana...

Why Ukraine’s Counteroffensive is Bound to Fail by John J. Mearsheimer

It is now clear that Ukraine’s eagerly anticipated counteroffensive has been a colossal failure. After three months, the Ukrainian army has made little progress pushing back the Russians. Indeed, it has yet to get beyond the so-called “grey zone”, the heavily contested strip of land that lies in...

www.google.com

T14 Armata

Kwa wale ambao hamjasoma hii, it's a must-read!

Najisikia kuwahurumia Ukraine, Zelensky kwakweli amejitahidi sana kuharibu nchi yake kwa mikono yake mwenyewe.

Kilichoandikwa kwenye hiyo article watu wote wanajeshi ama wenye background ya mambo ya ulinzi walionya mwanzo kabisa kabla hata counteroffensive haijaanza kuwa hakuna namna inaweza kufanikiwa sasa ndio kilichotokea.

Hata rais wa Czech, Petr Pavel ambae ni mwanajeshi mstaafu aliwasihi sana wasifanye counteroffensive kwakua tu wanashinikizwa na West, aliwambia hasara watakayopata in men na vifaa hawatakuja ku recover kamwe.

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Intuition · Dec 2, 2023

Proved said:
Na hapo kwenye attrition Urusi ndiye mnufaika mkubwa mno, maana ana man power ya kutosha na artillery zisizo na idadi.....hivyo mwishowe Ukraine atashindwa.

Nadhani pia Urusi walikuwa na muda mrefu sana wa kutengeneza defense lines imara kuzuia counter offensive,

Bado tena Ukraine hana airpower nzuri ya kutoa support kwa offensive yake.

Kiufupi Ukraine sioni kama atatoboa kwenye hii counter offensive na wafadhili wake ndio hao wamegeukia huko Gaza na uchaguzi wa Marekani huenda ukaharibu kabisa mambo.

Haya mambo mlipaswa kujua mapema, na mlikua mnajua sema ubishi...Leo hii ndo unajua kwamba Ukraine asingetoboa kweli??

T14 Armata · Dec 2, 2023

Jacob kalokola said:
Kwani Urusi inapigana na Ukraine au na Mataifa 40 yanayotuma silaha na watumiaji wa hizo silaha, sababu Ukraine hawajuhi kuzitumia.
Hivyo basi ni Vita ya Urusi na NATO.

Urusi haina ubavu wa kupigana na Marekani, achana na NATO nzima. Hata China haiwezi pigwa na Urusi hii.
Na hivi kwani hujui maana ya msaada?

Kwahiyo kwakuwa Marekani inasaidia bajeti ya Tanzania kupitia USAID, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, World Vision na mashirika mengine basi tunasema na Marekani ni maskini. Sababu Tanzania inasaidiwa na Marekani ila bado ni maskini.
Hapa utakuja kusema kwakuwa Tanzania imeshindwa kuondokana na umaskini kwa misaada ya Marekani basi na Marekani nayo ni maskini.

Huwezi kutaja vita ya NATO bila air dominance, hapo ni kujadili uchumi wa Tanzania bila kuitaja Dar es Salaam.

Hapo Ukraine hamna Navy, NATO gani haitumii Navy vitani?
NATO gani haitumii aircraft carriers za Nimitz class, Ford class, Queen Elizabeth class, hakuna Charles de Gaulle, hakuna Cavour. Na bado hakuna amphibious ships kama Juan Carlos na Mistral.

NATO gani iko Ukraine wakati hamna submarines kama Virginia class, Los Angeles class, hakuna Barracuda class, Le Triomphat class, hakuna Astute wala Trafalgar.

NATO haina stealth fighters, haina bombers, tankers, airlifters. NATO nzima haina paratroopers?

Hayo yote nimetaja Ukraine haina na bado Russia anasuasua. Sasa imagine Russia hii ingekutana na hata Uturuki si hali ingekuwa mbaya zaidi.

Urusi ni jeshi la mtu na mtu, kila vita wanayoenda duniani huwa wanapoteza wanajeshi wengi. Kusema Urusi inapigana na NATO ni vichekesho. NATO hawawezi pigana na jeshi halijui hata kufanya SEAD na halijui kumiliki anga alafu likasalimika.

Yani msaada wa vigari 20 vya HIMARS vinavyowaliza ndio vinafanya mdai NATO iko Ukraine. Sasa Marekani ikileta HIMARS zake zaidi ya 420 zilizokuwepo kabla ya vita si mtasema mwisho wa dunia umefika. Silaha zote pale Ukraine sio hata 5% ya silaha za NATO.

Proved · Dec 2, 2023

Intuition said:
Haya mambo mlipaswa kujua mapema, na mlikua mnajua sema ubishi...Leo hii ndo unajua kwamba Ukraine asingetoboa kweli??

Urusi alijiandaa vizuri sana kuzuia hii offensive.

T14 Armata · Dec 2, 2023

Proved said:
Na hapo kwenye attrition Urusi ndiye mnufaika mkubwa mno, maana ana man power ya kutosha na artillery zisizo na idadi.....hivyo mwishowe Ukraine atashindwa.

Nadhani pia Urusi walikuwa na muda mrefu sana wa kutengeneza defense lines imara kuzuia counter offensive,

Bado tena Ukraine hana airpower nzuri ya kutoa support kwa offensive yake.

Kiufupi Ukraine sioni kama atatoboa kwenye hii counter offensive na wafadhili wake ndio hao wamegeukia huko Gaza na uchaguzi wa Marekani huenda ukaharibu kabisa mambo.

Kwani mkuu ni lini Ukraine alikuwa na nafasi ya kushinda. Tangu February 2022 mpaka sasa hivi November 2023 taja ni mwezi gani Ukraine alikuwa na chance ya kushinda vita.

Kinachotokea hapa sio ajabu, kilichotokea nyuma ndio ajabu Urusi nchi ya pili kwa uwezo wa kijeshi kushindwa kupigana na jirani unayevuka kwa miguu. Jirani ambaye jeshi lake ni dhaifu kuliko hata majirani zake Finland na Poland.

Kitu gani kwenye mlinganyo ni favourable kwa Ukraine tangu vita haijaanza? Si population size, sio idadi ya wanajeshi, sio uchumi, sio ukubwa wa jeshi.
Hakuna miujiza vitani, ni courage kwa Ukraine na uzembe kwa Urusi vita inaendelea mpaka sasa. Hii sio vita ya insurgents au magaidi, ilitakiwa Urusi iwe imeshinda muda mrefu kulingana na mlinganyo wao ulivyo.

Proved · Dec 2, 2023

T14 Armata said:
Urusi haina ubavu wa kupigana na Marekani, achana na NATO nzima. Hata China haiwezi pigwa na Urusi hii.
Na hivi kwani hujui maana ya msaada?

Kwahiyo kwakuwa Marekani inasaidia bajeti ya Tanzania kupitia USAID, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, World Vision na mashirika mengine basi tunasema na Marekani ni maskini. Sababu Tanzania inasaidiwa na Marekani ila bado ni maskini.
Hapa utakuja kusema kwakuwa Tanzania imeshindwa kuondokana na umaskini kwa misaada ya Marekani basi na Marekani nayo ni maskini.

Huwezi kutaja vita ya NATO bila air dominance, hapo ni kujadili uchumi wa Tanzania bila kuitaja Dar es Salaam.

Hapo Ukraine hamna Navy, NATO gani haitumii Navy vitani?
NATO gani haitumii aircraft carriers za Nimitz class, Ford class, Queen Elizabeth class, hakuna Charles de Gaulle, hakuna Cavour. Na bado hakuna amphibious ships kama Juan Carlos na Mistral.

NATO gani iko Ukraine wakati hamna submarines kama Virginia class, Los Angeles class, hakuna Barracuda class, Le Triomphat class, hakuna Astute wala Trafalgar.

NATO haina stealth fighters, haina bombers, tankers, airlifters. NATO nzima haina paratroopers?

Hayo yote nimetaja Ukraine haina na bado Russia anasuasua. Sasa imagine Russia hii ingekutana na hata Uturuki si hali ingekuwa mbaya zaidi.

Urusi ni jeshi la mtu na mtu, kila vita wanayoenda duniani huwa wanapoteza wanajeshi wengi. Kusema Urusi inapigana na NATO ni vichekesho. NATO hawawezi pigana na jeshi halijui hata kufanya SEAD na halijui kumiliki anga alafu likasalimika.

Yani msaada wa vigari 20 vya HIMARS vinavyowaliza ndio vinafanya mdai NATO iko Ukraine. Sasa Marekani ikileta HIMARS zake zaidi ya 420 zilizokuwepo kabla ya vita si mtasema mwisho wa dunia umefika. Silaha zote pale Ukraine sio hata 5% ya silaha za NATO.

Hii Vita pia imeilemaza sana Urusi na jeshi lake, itachukua muda kwa jeshi la Urusi kurudia hali yake ya kabla ya Vita.

Japo bado wana man power ya kutosha ila pia wamepoteza sana vifaa vingi na askari wazoefu.

Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

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