LIVE Special Thread: Yanayojiri Mgogoro wa Ukraine na Urusi. Nini chanzo na hatma ya mzozo?

[Lee Van free]

Nadhani Sasa Kwa wale mliokua mnafikiria kuishinda Urusi ni rahisi someni hapa.
Ila watakao elewa zaidi ni wale waliosome Cuba TU.
Hapa zelensky kapewa za uso na wafadhiri wake.
Huu mgogoro unaenda mwisho.


West tells Ukraine it can’t afford victory – WSJ


Kiev has reportedly been told it must abandon its hopes of defeating the Russian military
West tells Ukraine it can’t afford victory – WSJ

Ukraine’s Western backers have told Kiev that they can’t hand over enough money and weapons to defeat Russia, and that Vladimir Zelensky will need to “come up with a more realistic plan,” the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.

When US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and British Foreign Secretary David Lammy meet with Ukrainian officials in Kiev on Wednesday, they will “discuss how best to define a Ukrainian victory and what aid it will need to achieve that,” anonymous officials told the newspaper.

Behind the scenes, unnamed European diplomats claimed that Kiev is being forced to downgrade its expectations, as Western nations tire of funnelling endless taxpayer cash into the conflict. “Kiev has been told that a full Ukrainian victory would require the West to provide hundreds of billions of dollars worth of support, something neither Washington nor Europe can realistically do,” the WSJ stated.

The US and its European allies have provided Ukraine with more than $200 billion in military, economic, and humanitarian aid since the conflict began, with an additional $110 billion pending, according to figures from the Kiel Institute for the World Economy.

Despite the slim prospects of retaking Ukraine’s former territory, Zelensky said in August that he would present a “victory plan” to US President Joe Biden later this month. Zelsnsky suggested that this plan likely involves asking the US for more cash and weapons, saying that victory would depend on Washington giving Kiev “what is in this plan or not.”

However, Ukraine’s costly incursion into Russia’s Kursk Region has weakened its battlefield position. Instead of pulling troops from the Donbass frontline to repel the incursion, as generals in Kiev had hoped, Moscow went on the attack, and its forces have since captured multiple settlements en route to the key logistics hub of Pokrovsk.

Blinken and Lammy pledged nearly $1.5 billion in additional aid to Ukraine on Wednesday, with the former declaring that “we want Ukraine to win.” However, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmigal wrote on Telegram that talks with the two Western diplomats had been “intense.”

Back in Washington, White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby insisted that Blinken did not visit Kiev to push Zelensky into accepting a compromise with Russia. “Certainly a negotiated end is the most likely outcome here, but when that happens, and under what conditions and circumstances, that’s going to be up to President Zelensky,” he told reporters on Wednesday.

 

[Lee Van free]

11 SEP, 22:29
US’ Blinken admits Ukraine’s discussion of strikes at Russia may cause escalation

WASHINGTON, September 11. /TASS/. The United States take into consideration the factor of a potential escalation in Ukraine due to the ongoing discussion of strikes deep into Russian territory with Western weapons by the Ukrainian authorities, US Secretary of State said during the joint press conference with British Foreign Secretary David Lammy and Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrey Sibiga in Kiev.

"You referenced escalation. Of course, that's one of the factors that we always consider. But it's certainly not the only factor, and it's not necessarily a dispositive factor," he said.

The US diplomat also noted that he discussed strikes at Russia during the meeting with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and his British counterpart and plans to report on the outcome of his negotiations to US President Joe Biden.

"I'm going to take that discussion back to Washington to brief the President on what I heard, I know that David [Lammy] is doing the same, and both of our bosses, no doubt, will discuss this when they meet […] on Friday in Washington," he said.

Previously, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the West has apparently already authorized Kiev to carry out strikes at Russian territory with long-range missiles. According to the spokesman, this decision is being formalized in mass media.

 

[Bulelaa]

Naongea kwa kukusisitiza.
Kwanza unajua lengo la Ukraine kuvamia Russia!??
Malengo yalikua matatu;
-Kukamata nuclear plant iliopo Kursk ili iwe kama leverage kipindi cha majadiliano.
-Kupunguza kasi ya mashambulizi ya Russia ndani ya Ukraine.
-Kulipunguza jeshi la Russia ndani ya Ukraine na kulivuta Kursk.

Je kuna kilichofanikiwa!??
Pia nimekuuliza Russia kwa kukiwekea ulinzi kinu cha Kursk na kuweka vizuizi mji wa Sumy ambao Ukraine ndio hutumia kupitisha misaada,unavyodhani wewe anamaanisha nini??

Nakuona kamanda mkuu wa Ukraine namna mlivyokuwa mkipanga huko Kiev kuvamia Russia!

Nyinyi wabongo ni watu wa hovyo na wajuaji sana

 

[permanides]

Dah ndugu yangu,hivi wewe na Urusi nani anajua maan ya SMO?
Wao wenyewe waniita SMO,wewe unakuja kupinga.
Hebu kuwa serious basi.
Hebu tuwaachie warusi wenyewe wanaoiona hii smo kua ni smo.
wewe mwafrika mwenzangu pamoja na ujuajibwako wote huu wa masuala ya vita,ujuaji huo wewe ama walimu wako walisomea kwa warusi wachina au wengine.
Urusi ni moja ya nchi yenye vyuo vingi sana vya kijeshi na hao hao ndio sisi tunapeleka raia wetu kwenda kusoma lkn hakuna hata Mrusi mmoja utakae mkuta kwenye vyuo vyetu hutaki acha lkn huo ndio ukweli wenyewe.
Labda kwetu chuo Cha Sanaa Bagamoyo ndio unaweza ukawakuta Warusi wanajifunza Sanaa zetu.
Kwa hiyo kama Urusi wao bado wanaoiona hii smo kua ni smo tuwaachie wao.

Story za SMO zilishaisha siku nyingi, hata Kremlin hawatumii tena hili neno.

 

[permanides]

Hivi Putin akiamua kila ATCMS moja inayotua Moscow,kutakua na Long range bomb 1 inayotua New York shida ingekua wapi?

Wewe akili zitakuwa bado hazijakomaa.

 

[Kosugi]

Nakuona kamanda mkuu wa Ukraine namna mlivyokuwa mkipanga huko Kiev kuvamia Russia!

Nyinyi wabongo ni watu wa hovyo na wajuaji sana

Mie nimezungumza kwa mujibu wa Wazungu wenyewe,tena ngojea nikultee na ushahidi.

 

[Kosugi]

Nakuona kamanda mkuu wa Ukraine namna mlivyokuwa mkipanga huko Kiev kuvamia Russia!

Nyinyi wabongo ni watu wa hovyo na wajuaji sana

Mimi huwa naongea kuelimishana sio kubishana.
Ndio maana hunioni nikichangia kila mara humu ndani hadi niwe na ushahidi.
Aya bishana na mzungu mwenzao.
Usipotosheka sema nikuletee analysis nyingine.

 

[Muite]

Mkuu kwa komenti hii naomba nimtetee mdau uliekua unamjibu kwa hoja yake ya uwezo wa Urusi kuifuta UK katika uso wa Dunia.
Naamini hata yeye sio maneno yake,nadhani ni kutokana na kusoma kutoka makala mbalimbali ambazo zinaelezea uwezo huo wa makombora ya Urusi yawezayo kuzifuta nchi Kam UK France na mji kama Texas.
Sasa kama wao walitudangaya sisi sio kosa letu.
Tumesoma maandiko Yao.

Kama kombora moja TU la Satan 2 linaweza kuifuta ufaransa na sehemu ya jiji la Texas,je UK inahitaji kupigwa kwa makombora mangapi?
Tunahisi Urusi anayo zaidi ya 100


The Economic Times

Satan 2: Russia unveils deadly nuclear missile that can wipe out an area the size of Texas and France


The missile has been designed with stealth technology, means that it can be fired at a target without being detected by enemy radars.
By Shaurya Karanbir Gurung, ET Online
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Last Updated: Oct 26, 2016, 07:02:00 PM IST34
NEW DELHI: Russia has unveiled the first image of its beast of a nuclear missile called the RS-28 Sarmat, also known as Satan-2.

It is Russia’s new super-heavy thermonuclear-armed intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which can wipe out parts of the earth the size of Texas and France, according to Russia’s Zvezda TV channel. The missile is capable of targeting major cities of the UK and other European nations. It has an estimated range of 10,000 kilometres.

The Sarmat is set to replace the RS-36, a family of ICBMs and space launch vehicles that entered service in the 1970s, according to Sputnik. The replacement will happen by 2020, according to Russia Today. The multi warhead missile is expected to carry up to 10 heavy warheads or 16 lighter ones or a combination of both. It will also have counter-measures to overpower enemy missile defences

Kwa hiyo na wewe ukaamini hayo maandiko kwenye makala. Yaani unaamini kabisa kuwa kuna kombora la kuifuta Ufaransa. Nadhani Urusi angekuwa na hayo makombora nchi zote za ulaya zisingesubutu hata kubishana naye, na zisingesubutu kumpa Zelensky silaha za kupigana na Urusi. Tatizo huwa hamjui kutofautisha Propaganda na Uhalisia. Unakumbuka Putin alivyoahidi manzoni kuwa nchi yoyote itakayomsaidia Zelensky silaha basi bazo atazishambulia hukohuko. JE AMEFANYA HIVYO!!!!?
Hata Marekani amejijengea ukubwa duniani na kuogopwa sana sababu ya Propaganda za uongo na kujikweza japo ni kweli ana nguvu kubwa lakini sio hiyo inayozungumzwa

 

[Somoche]

NYIE MNAPENDA SANA COMMENT ZA KUWAFURAHISHA MNAYOYAPENDA. MKIONA MTU ANATOA MAONI YANAYOBEBA UPANDE USIOUPENDA MNAKASIRIKA.

HAYA TUFANYE RUSSIA ANAZO HIZO NUCLEAR ZA KUIZAMISHA UK YOTE

Wewe kwa akili timamu unadhani mtu anaemsaidia mtu akuue au amfundishe mbinu na kumpa silaha akuue ni ndugu yako??? Hivi ile ukraine unajua ni nchi imeisha???? Imebomolewa sanaa inatumika tu kama uwanja ila uhalisia wanajeshi wanaoitwa washauri wa kijeshi toka NATO wako pale wanauwawa kila siku...

Hakuna watu waongo dunia hii kama BBC..CNN..SKY...FRANCE NEWS...DW...Media zote hizi zikisaidiana na vigazeti vyao zinatumika kusambaza uongo na propoganda mbaya kwa rushwa wanazopewa wamiliki ili waandike hivyo...

Urusi inatusaidia kuweka New World Order kama unahisi haina Nuclear kama mlivyojipa matumaini kwamba ina matui ya nazi basi tupieni bomu lipige kambi ya jeshi ndani ya Urusi kwa kutumia silaha zetu tutaona reaction yao mm nshasema bora watu wa sasa tufutwe wajinga ni wengi mnoo waje wengine wajipange...

 

[ruhi]

Ukrainian attempt to capture Black Sea rig foiled – MOD
Russian troops repelled Kiev’s special forces and sank eight US-made Willard Sea Force boats, according to Moscow

Moscow’s forces repelled a Ukrainian attempt to seize a Russian jack-up drilling rig in the Black Sea overnight Tuesday into Wednesday, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Wednesday.

According to the ministry, Kiev’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) sent 14 American-made Willard Sea Force boats with Ukrainian Navy special ops onboard to capture the ‘Krym-2’ rig. Media reports suggest the rig is located between the Crimean peninsula and the Ukrainian city of Odessa.

In its report, the ministry stated that the Russian military and the Black Sea Fleet sank eight of the boats and killed up to 80 Ukrainian servicemen. The remaining boats managed to escape and did not even make an attempt to return for their wounded soldiers who were left in the water, Moscow claimed.

“Another ‘media operation’ of the Kiev regime in the Black Sea, timed to coincide with the arrival of high-ranking US and EU representatives in Ukraine on September 11, was downed in blood and took the lives of many dozens of Ukrainian servicemen,” the Russian Defense Ministry wrote in its daily update.

The attack comes after Kiev’s forces had previously made similar attempts to capture other Russian drilling rigs in the Black Sea in September of last year and in June 2022. The structures, including the Krym-2, belong to the company Chernomorneftegaz, which was previously part of the Ukrainian energy company Naftogaz, before being nationalized by Russia and registered as a enterprise in Crimea in 2014 when the peninsula ceded from Ukraine and became part of Russia.

Mkuu hivi kuna namna unaweza unatupatia na losses upande wa Russia kama unavyotupatia upande wa Ukraine? au wewe umejikita upande wa Ukraine tu. Au upande wa Russia huwa hawapati loses huko vitani.

 

[HERY HERNHO]

Thubutuu..,atagombaniwa kama Mpira wa kona

uwezo huo wa kumgombania wanao? ama tunaleta ushabiki na ukolo

 

[Kosugi]

Kwa hiyo na wewe ukaamini hayo maandiko kwenye makala. Yaani unaamini kabisa kuwa kuna kombora la kuifuta Ufaransa. Nadhani Urusi angekuwa na hayo makombora nchi zote za ulaya zisingesubutu hata kubishana naye, na zisingesubutu kumpa Zelensky silaha za kupigana na Urusi. Tatizo huwa hamjui kutofautisha Propaganda na Uhalisia. Unakumbuka Putin alivyoahidi manzoni kuwa nchi yoyote itakayomsaidia Zelensky silaha basi bazo atazishambulia hukohuko. JE AMEFANYA HIVYO!!!!?
Hata Marekani amejijengea ukubwa duniani na kuogopwa sana sababu ya Propaganda za uongo na kujikweza japo ni kweli ana nguvu kubwa lakini sio hiyo inayozungumzwa

Ukiona mtu anahangaika na wewe jua anakuhofia.
USA na washirika wake WANAMUOGOPA SANA RUSSIA.
Ndio maana kila leo wanaunda sekeseke za kumpunguza nguvu.
Uvunjwaji wa USSR ulifadhiliwa na USA.
Na sasa vita ya Ukraine ilichochewa na hao USA na washirika wake.
Wakamuongezea na vikwazo vya kiuchumi wakitarajia uchumi ukidumaa atashindwa kuendesha vita,China akampa sapoti ya kiuchumi.
Hayo ya hilo bomu sijui ila kuhusu kuogopwa,Russia anaogopwa sana na hao jamaa.
Hata hiyo NATO iliundwa kwasababu yake Russia,licha ya Warsaw kuvunjwa ila NATO ikabaki.
Na kama upande wa nukes,Russia ndio nchi inayoongoza kuwa na silaha za nuke nyingi na zenye ufanisi.
Hata USA analijua hilo.

 

[Kosugi]

Thubutuu..,atagombaniwa kama Mpira wa kona

Russia akiamua vita na USA hakuna rangi USA ataacha kuiona.
Usitake kutujaza hapa.

 

[HERY HERNHO]

Thubutuu..,atagombaniwa kama Mpira wa kona

nikajua marekani ndiyo atakwenda kumpiga urusi kumbe mpaka waungane ndipo wamgombanie duuh basi urusi niijidude likubwa sana .. bongo bwana...ingekuwa rahusi hivyo kama unavyotamka wangeungana kitambo kumgombania lakini kwakuwa urusi siyo libya basi watulize mishono waendelee kujiandaa

Watu wanadhani Russia ni sawa na Libya! unapoizungumzia Russia katika sekta ya kijeshi na mashine nzito hana mpinzania nduyo maana vikomba vya wanawake vimundwa viitwavyo Nato kwa lengo la kumsuta Russia ila ukiwaambia piga hawezi wamekatangauliza kavulana kalikotatuliwa malinda kupima ukubwa wa mashine ya russka leo hii Ukraine ni Gaza ya Ulaya kabakwa bila kupewa maji...kamejitutumua kushika pumbu huko kursk mwenzake russia anaona raha kukunwa pumbu huku anachomeka ndani zaidi mashine donbas..matajiri wa urusi wanaanza kugawana dimbas siku si nyingi kila mmoja na ki plot chake ..huku nyie mnaleta ushabiki wa kushiba mihogo...Urusi siyo Libya waanze kumng'oa pale syria kwa asad ndipo turudi huku

 

[Kosugi]

nikajua marekani ndiyo atakwenda kumpiga urusi kumbe mpaka waungane ndipo wamgombanie duuh basi urusi niijidude likubwa sana .. bongo bwana...ingekuwa rahusi hivyo kama unavyotamka wangeungana kitambo kumgombania lakini kwakuwa urusi siyo libya basi watulize mishono waendelee kujiandaa

Watu wanadhani Russia ni sawa na Libya! unapoizungumzia Russia katika sekta ya kijeshi na mashine nzito hana mpinzania nduyo maana vikomba vya wanawake vimundwa viitwavyo Nato kwa lengo la kumsuta Russia ila ukiwaambia piga hawezi wamekatangauliza kavulana kalikotatuliwa malinda kupima ukubwa wa mashine ya russka leo hii Ukraine ni Gaza ya Ulaya kabakwa bila kupewa maji...kamejitutumua kushika pumbu huko kursk mwenzake russia anaona raha kukunwa pumbu huku anachomeka ndani zaidi mashine donbas..matajiri wa urusi wanaanza kugawana dimbas siku si nyingi kila mmoja na ki plot chake ..huku nyie mnaleta ushabiki wa kushiba mihogo...Urusi siyo Libya waanze kumng'oa pale syria kwa asad ndipo turudi huku

Huko Russia ni mbali,kuna mataifa mkuu yakisema tunaingia vitani hao NATO wachumba tuu.
Sema ndio hivyo propaganda za West zimetuaminisha kuwa NATO ndio wenye nguvu duniani.
Ila kiuhalisia ukiiondoa Russia na China kuna mataifa yanaweza kusimama na mataifa ya NATO.

 

[HERY HERNHO]

Russia ana nuklea zenye uajabu wake ikktokea umerusha nuklea russia basi nuklea za russia zinajiwasha auto na kufuata ilikitokea nuklea hata bila kuongozwa ni mfumo imara ndiyo maana wanamfunzi maalum huko mashuleni kuhusu nuklea

kumbuka hakuna nchi yoyote yenye huo mfumo wa auto...ingekuwa rahisi kuivamiq russia basi nato zamani sana wangeingia ila kama tunataka kuleta ushabiki basi usa ni bora ila uhalisia russia ni mwanaume usa ni mwanamke

 

[Mathanzua]

Waturuki wana uchungu wa kupigwa na kufurumushwa kutoka Crimea na Urusi.

Walipigwa maeneo mengi ya Eastern Europe na kuondolewa na Urusi.

Hivyo kinyongo Chao Cha kale bado kipo na wanatamani wapate nafasi ya kulipa kisasi

Kumbe Warusi Wana uadui na Turkiyê
,hili sikulijua.Kwa hiyo ni kama wanavyolipiza kisasi Wakazaria kwa Urusi leo.Sijui visasi hivi mpaka lini.

 

[Kosugi]

Waturuki wana uchungu wa kupigwa na kufurumushwa kutoka Crimea na Urusi.

Walipigwa maeneo mengi ya Eastern Europe na kuondolewa na Urusi.

Hivyo kinyongo Chao Cha kale bado kipo na wanatamani wapate nafasi ya kulipa kisasi

Uturuki kama taifa au kama watu wenye asili ya Uturuki?

 

[kp kipanya44]

Russia ana nuklea zenye uajabu wake ikktokea umerusha nuklea russia basi nuklea za russia zinajiwasha auto na kufuata ilikitokea nuklea hata bila kuongozwa ni mfumo imara ndiyo maana wanamfunzi maalum huko mashuleni kuhusu nuklea

kumbuka hakuna nchi yoyote yenye huo mfumo wa auto...ingekuwa rahisi kuivamiq russia basi nato zamani sana wangeingia ila kama tunataka kuleta ushabiki basi usa ni bora ila uhalisia russia ni mwanaume usa ni mwanamke

Duh! Hapa Kuna Hadith za kufurahisha kweli,hasa kwa wale hawabanwi sana na majukum 🤩😍😎🏃🏃

 

[kp kipanya44]

russia Loses Another Supersonic Fighter Jet

Ukrainian media, citing sources in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (#AFU), report that a russian Su-30SM fighter jet went missing last night near #Sevastopol.

According to reports, the Su-30SM, along with a Su-35, had been launching Kh-31P missiles towards mainland Ukraine while flying over the sea north of Sevastopol.

Mi-8 and Ka-27 helicopters from the Black Sea Fleet airfield in Kacha were deployed for a search operation.

An oil slick approximately 3 km in diameter, along with wreckage of the aircraft, including part of the wing, was found in the search area indicated on

the map.