Tanzania yanunua "ITX Bullet Trains" kutoka Korea Kusini

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Kaka kama design speed ya SGR yetu ni 250Km/hr itakua ni jambo zuri sana, ila kabla ya kusherehekea tunaomba ututie nguvu kwa kutuwekea ushahidi ili tuweze kuwakoga vizuri majirani wetu

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Ndio hivyo, tatizo wataalam wetu wanaotoa maelezo wengi wanashindwa kuelezea vizuri concept ya HSR. At this day and age huwezi ukajenga reli ya kufikisha speed ya 160 pekee kwa kutumia gharama yote hio halafu 10 years down the line uingie gharama upya za kurekebisha ili iweze kufikisha walau speed ya 250 km/hr.

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[Geza Ulole]

Kwa Tender yetu tunataka EMU 5 zenye kubeba abiria 1800. Sasa kama ni za 6 coaches tunaweza tusifikishe hio tender requirement kwa sababu seating capacity ya EMU coaches nyingi ni kti ya 45 na 48. Zipo chache zenye kubeba abiria 64 kama hii mpya ya Turkey. Angalia kwa 8 cars inakuwa 45 x 8 x 5 = 1800. Hii ni sawa na Tender requirement.

But anyway anything can happen.



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Inaweza ikawa double decker EMUs? na pia double decker zina urefu tofauti tofauti! Na pia hiyo idadi ya 1800 si ya waliokaa it includes walisimama pia! Kumbuka hizi EMUs zitakuwa zinaondoka kila baada ya lisaa kujaza abiria 1800 si mchezo!

 

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Inaweza ikawa double decker EMUs? na pia double decker zina urefu tofauti tofauti! Na pia hiyo idadi si ya waliokaa it includes walisimama pia! Kumbuka hizi EMUs zitakuwa zinaondoka kila baada ya lisaa kujaza abiria 1800 si mchezo!

Nafikiri kutakuwa na EMU na na Mainline EMU (MEMU).

MEMU ndio zinaweza Kuwa double decker ndio maana ktk Tender yake wanataka First class na Economy class. Wakati EMU hakuna classes

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[Geza Ulole]

Nafikiri kutakuwa na EMU na na Mainline EMU (MEMU).

MEMU ndio zinaweza Kuwa double decker ndio maana ktk Tender yake wanataka First class na Economy class. Wakati EMU hakuna classes

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Hii maneno ni mabehewa ya MGR au SGR?



MY TAKE
Inakaa SGR...

 

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Hii maneno ni mabehewa ya MGR au SGR?

Hapa amechanganya/combine ununuzi wa treni za SGR na zile za MGR.

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[Geza Ulole]

Hapa amechanganya/combine ununuzi wa treni za SGR na zile za MGR.

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nachojua mimi kuna mabehewa yanakarabatiwa ya MGR na yalikuwa zaidi ya 600 na 340+ tayari yana-operate!

 

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nachojua mimi kuna mabehewa yanakarabatiwa ya MGR na yalikuwa zaidi ya 600 na 340+ tayari yanaoperate!

Sawa, asilimia kubwa ya vitu vipya vinavyonunuliwa sasa ni kwa ajili ya SGR.

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[Geza Ulole]

Sawa, asilimia kubwa ya vitu vipya vinavyonunuliwa sasa ni kwa ajili ya SGR.

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Mi ndo maana juzi nilikuwa namwambia jamaa The best 007 tunavyoenda tutakujaona SGR is not all that important maana kwa mfano Mtwara-Mbambabay route sioni sababu ya kujengwa SGR wakati majirani woote wa corridor ile ni CGR na usafiri wa reli unahitaji seamless operation! Pata picha reli ya MGR Katavi kwenda Karema port ikiisha na kuja kuungana na revamped continuos welded MGR toka Isaka kwenda Dar au ile MGR toka Uvinza kwenda Burundi ikikamilika.

Kwa maoni yangu itachukua muda sana kuja kujenga SGR kwenye route hizohizo! Baada ya line za Dar-Mwanza, Tabora-Kigoma na Isaka-Kigali itachukua muda sana kuja kuwa na line nyingine za SGR natabiri MGR na CGR zilizopo kuja kuwa electrified.

 

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Mi ndo maana juzi nilikuwa namwambia jamaa The best 007 tunavyoenda tutakujaona SGR is not all that important maana kwa mfano Mtwara-Mbambabay route sioni sababu ya kujengwa SGR wakati majirani woote wa corridor ile ni CGR na usafiri wa reli unahitaji seamless operation! Pata picha reli ya MGR Katavi kwenda Karema port ikiisha na kuja kuungana na revamped continuos welded MGR toka Isaka kwenda Dar au ile MGR toka Uvinza kwenda Burundi ikikamilika. Kwa maoni yangu itachukua muda sana kuja kujenga SGR kwenye route hiyohiyo! Baada ya line za Dar-Mwanza, Tabora-Kigoma na Isaka-Kigali itachukua muda sana kuja kuwa na line nyingine za SGR natabiri MGR na CGR zilizopo kuja kuwa electrified.

TAZARA is soon to be electrified na investors, I will not disclose them now.

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TAZARA is soon to be electrified na investors, I will not disclose them now.

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Sasa kama kuna TAZARA inaenda kuwa electrified, tunayotaka kujenga ya Mtwara-Mbambabay kwanini iwe SGR wakati reli zinazoizunguka ni ya CRG? Where will the rail derive her benefits? Nina imani itakuwa electrified Cape Gauge Railway!

 

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Sasa kama kuna TAZARA inaenda kuwa electrified, tunayotaka kujenga ya Mtwara-Mbambabay kwanini iwe SGR wakati reli zinazoizunguka ni ya CRG? Where will the rail derive her benefits? Nina imani itakuwa electrified Cape Gauge Railway!

Sijasema kuwa TAZARA itakuwa SGR, watai-electrify kama ilivyo, I. e., Cape Gauge.

Ile ya Mtwara - Mbamba Bay hata ikiwa SGR hakutakuwa na tatizo kwa sababu itaishia kwenye bandari ya Ziwa Nyasa. Tokea hapo Wa-Malawi watabeba kwa meli then MA-lori, it doesn't matter much for us.

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[Geza Ulole]

Sijasema kuwa TAZARA itakuwa SGR, watai-electrify kama ilivyo, I. e., Cape Gauge.

Ile ya Mtwara - Mbamba Bay hata ikiwa SGR hakutakuwa na tatizo kwa sababu itaishia kwenye bandari ya Ziwa Nyasa. Tokea hapo Wa-Malawi watabeba kwa meli then MA-lori, it doesn't matter much for us.

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Exactly, Chakwera kasema atafanya maneno kuunganisha reli yetu na yake kupitia Lake Nyasa kama tukijenga Mtwara-Mbababay, hii ina maana kutakuwa na wagon ferries! Kujenga SGR Mtwara-Mbambabay will be wastage of opportunity to cede the landlocked SADC cargo na i am talking out of synergies btn our rail and SADC network!

Mtwara Mbambabay inapaswa itumike na Zambia na DRC pia na wao wana CGR sioni mantiki ya SGR halafu ikifika Mbambabay lazma container zipakiwe kwenye wagon cars za CGR that will add up cost. The best solution will be electrified CGR track ije iungane na TAZARA na to an extension to Walvis Bay and Lobito! Na kama TAZARA wataweza kujenga shortcut within Zambia kuunga moja kwa moja na Angola rail via Katanga will be lovely!

Naongea hili out of economics n btw even at CGR train can move fast too! I don't JPM ataacha ku-trap opportunities za SADC na kujenga reli isioendana na za SADC afterall Mtwara Development Corridor project is NEPAD initiative under SADC block! isitoshe Wizara ya Ujenzi imeepa kusema kama reli itakuwa SGR!

 

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[joto la jiwe]

Ndio hivyo, tatizo wataalam wetu wanaotoa maelezo wengi wanashindwa kuelezea vizuri concept ya HSR. At this day and age huwezi ukajenga reli ya kufikisha speed ya 160 pekee kwa kutumia gharama yote hio halafu 10 years down the line uingie gharama upya za kurekebisha ili iweze kufikisha walau speed ya 250 km/hr.

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Kaka umenivunja nguvu sana kwa kukosa kuweka ushahidi, hicho unachozungumza ni wishful yako, inapendeza kuwa na mawazo chanya kama bwana malisa.

Lakini ukweli ni kwamba, reli yetu inajengwa kwa design ya 160Km/hr, sio kweli unayosema kwamba ni 250km/hr. Kaka huwezi kujenga reli yenye kuruhusu kasi kubwa kiasi hicho kwa ajili ya natumizi ya 160km/hr, huo utakua ni ujinga na matumizi ya hovyo kabisa ya pesa za nchi.

Ujenzi wa reli ni gharama sana, kadri design ya reli inavyoruhusu mwendo mkali zaidi, ndivyo gharama inavyoongezeka kutokana na ukweli kwamba, reli lazima iwe imenyooka isiwe na kona nyingi wa miporomoko au panda shuka nyingi.

Ili kufikia hayo matakwa ya reli kunyooka bila kuwepo na pandashuka nyingi, katika nchi zetu hizi zenye milima na mabonde mengi, tutalazimika kutoboa milima kutengeneza "tunnels" nyingi sana, kujenga madaraja mengi na marefu sana, kuvunja nyumba na vijiji vingi sana, hivyo kuifanya ujenzi uwe ghali na very "inconvinience".



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Nimewambia tulieni February sio mbali... Kwa nini tu speculate mambo ya kitaalamu

Wewe ndiye unaye soeculate, unazungumza vitu bila ushahidi wowote. Reli yetu design ni mwendokasi wa 160km/hr, sio zaidi ya hapo. Trains tutakazo nunua ni zenye ni ITX kutoka South Korea ambazo maximum speed yake ni 165km/hr, ukiacha hizo South Korea wanatengeneza KTX ambazo kasi yake ni 305km/hr, na huwa zina 18 coaches per Train, hizi ni ghali sana kuzinunua na kuziendesha, sio tu kwa nchi masikini, lakini pia uwezekano wa kusababisha ajali ni mkubwa sana.

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Nimekwambia ni 8 coaches....Hiyo ITX mnayo onyesha ni model ya zamani na sio 6500HP walizo kuwa wameweka kwenye tender...

Hiyo 8 coaches umeshindwa kututhibitishia chanzo chake, haipo popote pale ilupoandikwa hata katika hilo tangazo la tender la manunuzi haipo, inawezekana uliota usingizini, kama huna ushahidi wacha kulazimisha.

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Wewe ndiye unaye soeculate, unazungumza vitu bila ushahidi wowote. Reli yetu design ni mwendokasi wa 160km/hr, sio zaidi ya hapo. Trains tutakazo nunua ni zenye ni ITX kutoka South Korea ambazo maximum speed yake ni 165km/hr, ukiacha hizo South Korea wanatengeneza KTX ambazo kasi yake ni 305km/hr, na huwa zina 18 coaches per Train, hizi ni ghali sana kuzinunua na kuziendesha, sio tu kwa nchi masikini, lakini pia uwezekano wa kusababisha ajali ni mkubwa sana.

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Wakileta ilo li ITX nahama JF....Hakuna kitu Kama hicho kiufupi haina 6500 HP iliyo kuwa imeandikwa kwenye tender.. .Tatizo lako hutaki kufundishika...Hiyo ni asili yako..

 

[mulisaaa]

Hiyo 8 coaches umeshindwa kututhibitishia chanzo chake, haipo popote pale ilupoandikwa hata katika hilo tangazo la tender la manunuzi haipo, inawezekana uliota usingizini, kama huna ushahidi wacha kulazimisha.

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8 coaches ipo kwenye video YouTube za Waziri mkuu na Kamwele....Sipo hapa kuwa spoon feed....Do your research..

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Hili likithibitika ni kweli itakuwa tiketi ya kuniamsha mapema saa 12 oktoba 28 kwenda kumpigia kura Magufuli!

Hakika ni jambo kubwa sana kwangu, ila kama itakuwa mitreni michakavu ile ya 1970's basi siamki kabisa siku hio.

Ni porojo za maccm tu, amka tarehe 28 kura kwa Tundu Lisu tuwang'owe hawa wakoloni weusi maccm, hawa ni mabeberu kwa hakika.

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

8 coaches ipo kwenye video YouTube za Waziri mkuu na Kamwele....Sipo hapa kuwa spoon feed....Do your research..

Nyinyi maccm dawa yenu inachemka, tarehe 28 itakuwa imeiva.