The military strengths of Kenya and Uganda

[Askari Kanzu]

ASKARI KANZU????!!!!! Continue with your childish ranting.

Yes I'll do, until you grow up (you look younger than my youngest son who has more sense than you)!

 

[Bantugbro]

I deserve a ban?!!!!!!! why and how?! ..ooh you can do better than this Bantgbro! too emotional...i am only using the language you people can understand..you hail all sort of abuses on Kenya and Kenyans here...do we complain!!?? my analysis are always fair ...you people should style up if you want to get objective analysis here-if u really know what that means- its you to watch your language and attitude towards us ..or else you should not complain when you are given a taste of your own medicine,read carefully the main post i answered and tell me if kajembe was objective! am not complaining.... but i feel you.
The the article above is just an opinion...and we cant depend on it because we had to act.. the cost of inaction outweighs that of action..to protect the integrity and the economy of our beloved great country.....and for your info...this exercise in Somalia is also meant to serve a message to whoever thinks that he can joke with our borders and sovereignty ,when we keep quite does not mean that we are cowards but wise and persevering.... we can handle any situation and challenge that comes our way.....Somalia is just a tip of the ice berg,our Army may be small in number...but we are mighty.Military strength ,might and experience comes as a result of proper training and equipment..eg Israel..they are small i number but they are military giants i the middle east.We know ourselves better.

Mazee usinielewe vibaya, there is always another way of replying even if someone really annoys you ( especially for established members like you). My point is lets avoid taking this discussion to a personal level and start hurling insults at each other. Because if we continue going like this we will be setting a bad precedent for future posters.

 

[Moshe Dayan]

Moshe dayan nimekukubali. Una ujuzi wa mbinu za medani kama jina lako linavojipambanua.

Yaani usiumie kichwa kabisa..., kwanza mwaka huu sherehe za uhuru tutawaonjesha kiduchu tu our might arsenal na ufiti wa jeshi letu..,
Mkenya hana experince na kwny battle kamanda kama unaanza kutetemeka na kulia mama wee ukiskia heavy machine gun zinakulenga huwezi kutoa maamuzi ya busara(timely and effective decisions)...,
tz saivi anapiga joint war exercise rwanda..., jeshi lpo vibrant na linapata experience zaidi na zaidi

 

[Bongolander]

Talking of Kenya's army that is a war virgin(please don't give me the peace keeping crap!).It took you six years inclusive to end up mashifta rebellion,mind you this was just a rebellion and you struggled for six years.In fact the PEV crudely exposed the unproffessionalism in your 'better funded' police force.It is more than two weeks now and yet you are stil far from Mogadishu,Ethiopian army took barely a week to reach Mogadishu...you don't what war is,while your soldiers were hiding in the barracks,ours were busy liberating Africa.

Well, it is not a secret that Kenya's military is well equipped, better funded, but probably most inexperienced of all. We have to remember that it is not only the hardware which wins the war. When we fought Nduli Idi Amin we were not better equipped than he was, but we kicked his ass anyway. I can sense that Kenya's military is not that much different from that of Kenya. It is real stupid sending tanks, airplanes and whatever they have and want to show poor Somalians, to fight Al-Shaabab guerrillas. It is very similar ti swatting a mosquito with a baseball bat. NI ujinga kabisa hata Smatta anajua hilo. If Kenya's real want to win, they have to fight not show off.

 

[Pezzonovante]

Kenya ranks 40 in military spending globally. However, the defense expenditure is warranted given the strategic position of Kenya in the region besides its strategic importance to Britain, Israel, and United States. The same scenario now applies to the Chinese. Massive infrastructure upgrades and construction in Kenya have been the responsibility of the Chinese since 2005 when President Kibaki began specific economic reforms in the country. Defense expenditure plans have been cushioned from publicity besides keeping the clandestine due to the sensitive nature of arms info that can prompt an arms race in the region. There is also the issue of Kenyan security pact with Ethiopia, which shields both from armed conflicts. Southern Sudan military, a rebel outfit without discipline is now being trained and equipped by the Kenya army. Kenya main fear lies within Khartoum, Uganda, and Somalia.

 

[moyo]

Mazee usinielewe vibaya, there is always another way of replying even if someone really annoys you ( especially for established members like you). My point is lets avoid taking this discussion to a personal level and start hurling insults at each other. Because if we continue going like this we will be setting a bad precedent for future posters.[/QU

I do agree with you.

 

[Bantugbro]

Uganda, based on current threat matrix analysis poses a significant military threat based on two pronged factors. Its recent military upgrades including the acquisition of six sukhoi-20 mk2 fighter aircraft that are rated as top of the range fighters and the discovery of oil in the country is disturbing. I According to a series of defense, meetings between Kenyan air force officials, and agreed to seek which among US 35- F-15 fighter aircrafts should be delivered to cushion Kenyan against the increasing threat from her neighbors.

Mkuu Pezzonavante, there is no such a Soviet/Russian jet fighter goes by the name/designation of Sukhoi-20 mk2, the jet fighters you are referring to (6 units bought by UPDF) are known as SU-30MK2 (NATO call them Flankers). Also there is no such American jet fighter goes bythe name/designation of US 35-F-15, perhaps you were referring to either the F-35 JSF or the F-15 fighters...

 

[Yombayomba]

Mkuu Pezzonavante, there is no such a Soviet/Russian jet fighter goes by the name/designation of Sukhoi-20 mk2, the jet fighters you are referring to (6 units bought by UPDF) are known as SU-30MK2 (NATO call them Flankers). Also there is no such American jet fighter goes bythe name/designation of US 35-F-15, perhaps you were referring to either the F-35 JSF or the F-15 fighters...

Mkuu asante saana kwa kufafanua hata mimi hapa nilikuwa najiuliza hizi habari mwenzetu anazitoa wapi?

 

[Zawadi Ngoda]

Bora hao Kenya na Uganda at least fleet yao kwenye airforce inatia moyo kuliko sisi bongo ambao tuna outdated and old Mig fighters za mwaka 1973 kule Ngerengere tena zipo nne tu, na sijui hata kama zinaruka!

Taliban hawana ndege hata moja na wanaenda sambamba na mwenye B-2 na F-15, 16.

 

[NICK2275]

Taliban hawana ndege hata moja na wanaenda sambamba na mwenye B-2 na F-15, 16.

talibani walikuwa na ndege-sema kwa sasa hawana
pili hawaendi sahani moja na hao wenye f-15/16-you can see the looser by ur naked eyes

 

[Prof Griff]

Taliban hawana ndege hata moja na wanaenda sambamba na mwenye B-2 na F-15, 16.

Hapa chini ndiyo ukweli wa Taliban "wakienda sambamba" na wenye B-2[sic] na F-15, 16 [sic].

 

[kshaka]

Mkuu punguza wasi, hakuna wa kukunyima usingizi hapa EAC hapa chini ni baadhi tu ya vifaa vya jeshi la anga la JWTZ

Order of Battle - Tanzania


The list below provides an overview of military aircraft types operated by Tanzanian armed forces and the (primary) roles they fulfil.


Tanzania is a country in Africa sharing borders with Burundi, Congo, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Rwanda, Uganda and Zambia.


Tanzania People's Defence Force
1x AB205 utility
2x AB206 utility
2x An-28 Cash light transport
1x Beech 100 King Air light transport & maritime patrol
2x Bell 412EP utility
4x DHC-5D Buffalo maritime patrol & tactical transport
8x F-5 Fresco air defence
11x F-6A/B Farmer air defence
11x F-7A Airguard air defence
..x FT-5 Fresco operational conversion
2x FT-6 Farmer operational conversion
6x K-8 Karakorum advanced flying training
8x PT-6 basic flying training
2x Y-8F-200 Cub tactical transport
2x Y-12 tactical transport

Kuna undisclosed number ya new F-7 TG jet fighters haziko kwenye list soma hapa chini...

A PAF F-7PG was photographed with a load of fuel tanks and an AIM-9L AAM. Based on the F-7MG electronic technology demonstrator, it features various upgrades to meet PAF's requirements, including a one-piece windshield, Italian Grifo-7PG PD radar (search 55km, track 37km, single target track), new color CRT displays (EFIS), HUD, HOTAS control, new air data computer, TACAN, PL-9C IR-guided AAM, WP-13F(B) turbojet (13,200lb w/ afterburning) plus two 30mm cannons (compared to one on J-7E/G). Its maximum climb rate is 38,300ft/min (195m/s), combat radius is 850km (hi-hi-hi air-superiority role) and maximum load is 1,800kg. The new double-delta wing suggests the same design on J-7E has proven successful. However, since its basic design of Mig-21F has been more than 40 years old, this approach did not fundamentally change the overall performance. Pakistan ordered 57 F-7PGs in early 2000. These F-7PGs have replaced J-6/Mig-19 and will counter India's Mig-21bis/Bison fleet. 48 were delivered to Pakistan by the end of 2002. However, F-7PG might be fitted with the indigenous SY-80 radar (search 30km, track 26km) replacing the Grifo-7PG radar. Besides Pakistani AF, Namibian AF ordered 12 F-7NMs in August 2005. All were delivered in 2006. These are equipped with Italian Grifo-7MG radar. Bangladesh AF also ordered 12 F-7BGs in 2005. All were delivered 2006. In addition, Nigerian AF ordered 12 F-7NIs in a $251m deal and the first batch was expected to have been delivered in spring 2009. Sri Lanka AF also received around 6 F-7GS in late 2007/early 2008. The latest images (March 2011) indicated that Tanzania acquired an unknown number of F-7TGs.
Source:
Chinese Military Aviation | China Air Force

Pia kuna six K-8 fighter jets ambazo haziko kwenye hiyo list soma hii habari chini...

Venezuela reduces number of Chinese K-8 fighter jets to 18
No reason is given for the reduction from 24

K-8 Fighter jet.

By Latin American Herald Tribune Staff
Venezuela has announced that it will purchase only 18 Chinese- made K-8 fighter jets, not 24 as previously announced, according to General Luis Berroterán Acosta, the commander of Venezuela's Bolivarian Air Force.


"The contract has been signed and the jet trainers are on the production line in China. In a short time, I will be able to disclose the exact arrival date of the first K-8 shipment," said Berroterán at a press conference celebrating the 88th anniversary of military aviation.


Each K-8 fighter jet is capable of carrying 4 bombs and rockets, as well as firing a 23mm machine gun.


They carry two pilots in tandem seating and have a maximum speed of just under 500 miles per hour.


The K-8 was developed in the 1980s in a joint project between China and Pakistan. It's maiden flight took place in 1990.


Because of their relative inexpensive cost, they are used by the air forces of China (200), Egypt (80), Ghana (4), Myanmar (12), Namibia (4), Pakistan (100), Sri Lanka (6), Sudan (12), Tanzania (6), Zambia (8), and Zimbabwe (12).
Source:
Latin American Herald Tribune - Venezuela reduces number of Chinese K-8 fighter jets to 18

I also believe the newly acquired 6 Mig 29 again not in the above list again re already hidden somewhere. Soma sehemu ya report hapa chini...

Russia faces tough Chinese competition in the African arms market: report

..."Finally, MiG Corporation was unable to expand into the African market beyond the initial advances it made in the late 1990s. As mentioned above, MiG was able to sell from excess stock a relatively large batch of MiG-29 to Sudan and Eritrea for low prices. By early 2000 it was negotiating the sale of MiG-29 to Chad (four units), Uganda (six) and Tanzania (six fighters)...
Source:
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=513&Itemid=234

MILITARY COOPERATION. MIG FIGHTERS FLY TO AFRICA
RUSSIA CONTINUES FORCING CHINA OUT FROM AFRICAN WEAPONS MARKETS

Vedomosti reports that the MiG aircraft corporation will sell six MiG-29 fighters to Tanzania for around $50 million. Thus far the Tanzanian Air Force has been using China-made MiG fighters.


A high-ranking Russian diplomat said that the MiG corporation and the Tanzanian Defense Ministry reached an agreement to sell six MiG-29 fighters after the Tanzanian foreign minister's visit to Moscow in July......
Source:
EVXpress - MILITARY COOPERATION. MIG FIGHTERS FLY TO AFRICA*-*Defense & Security,*2003,*No. 91

Pia kumbuka JWTZ has the largest surfaces to air missile system (SAM) and artillery in the region (EAC). SAM-3, SAM-6, supported by 350 Anti-Aircraft Guns and several Multi Rocket launch Systems (BM-21 the famed Saba Saba) backed by 300 artillery pieces many more (undisclosed)....:shock:
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Haya ndege za wakenya ni hizi hapa chini:
Order of Battle - Kenya


The list below provides an overview of military aircraft types operated by Kenyan armed forces and the (primary) roles they fulfil.


Kenya is a country in Africa sharing borders with Ethiopia, Somalia, South Sudan, Tanzania and Uganda.

Kenya Air Force
12x Bulldog 103/127 basic flying training
3x Dash 8 light transport
7x DHC-5D Buffalo tactical transport
11x Emb312 Tucano basic flying training
18x F-5E Tiger air defence
4x F-5F Tiger operational conversion
1x Fokker 70 VIP transport
5x Hughes 500 light attack & utility
9x IAR-330 Puma medium-lift transport
2x Mi-171E Hip medium-lift transport
12x SA330G Puma medium-lift transport
12x Y-12 light transport
4x Z-9 utility
2x Z-9WE anti-armour attack
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Na za Uganda ni hizi hapa chini:

Order of Battle - Uganda


The list below provides an overview of military aircraft types operated by Ugandan armed forces and the (primary) roles they fulfil.


Uganda is a country in Africa sharing borders with Democratic Republic of Congo, Kenya, Rwanda, South Sudan and Tanzania.


Uganda People's Defence Force
5x AB206 Jet Ranger utility
3x L-39ZA Albatros advanced flying training
5x Mi-24 Hind anti-armour attack
6x MiG-21 Fishbed air defence
5x MiG-23 Flogger multi-role
1x SF-260 Marchetti basic flying training
4x Su-30MK2 Flanker multi-role
" " +4 on order
2x Y-12IV light transport
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Za Rwanda ni hizi hapa chini:

Order of Battle - Rwanda


The list below provides an overview of military aircraft types operated by Rwandan armed forces and the (primary) roles they fulfil.


Rwanda is a country in Africa sharing borders with Burundi, Democratic Republic of Congo, Tanzania and Uganda.


Rwandan Defence Forces
1x AS355F Ecureuil utility
3x Mi-8 Hip medium-lift transport
5x Mi-17 Hip medium-lift transport & VIP transport
2x Mi-24 Hind anti-armour attack
1x SA365 Dauphin utility
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Za Burundi ni hizi hapa chini:

Order of Battle - Burundi


The list below provides an overview of military aircraft types operated by Burundian armed forces and the (primary) roles they fulfil.


Burundi is a country in Africa sharing borders with Congo, Rwanda and Tanzania.


Burundi Army
3x Ce-150 light transport
1x Do27Q light transport
1x Falcon 50 VIP transport
2x Mi-24 Hind anti-armour attack
3x SA316B Alouette III utility
2x SA342L Gazelle utility
2x SF260 Marchetti basic flying training

Source:
MilAvia Press.com: Military Aviation Publications

The JWTZ orbat here is seriously outdated...most of the planes listed are not airworthy at all! Here's a manifest;


as you can see, most of these aircraft listed here were written off or withdrawn from use in the late 90's. JWTZ has been left with very limited air capabilities. What I don't understand is the fact that JWTZ acquired their buffaloes at around the same time as KAF...the KAF airframes are still in service but the JWTZ ones have all been written off over 10 years ago. I suspect it's a lack of proper maintainance.

I've got even more damning evidence in case anyone wants to dispute this...

 

[Bantugbro]

The JWTZ orbat here is seriously outdated...most of the planes listed are not airworthy at all! Here's a manifest;
View attachment 40644

as you can see, most of these aircraft listed here were written off or withdrawn from use in the late 90's. JWTZ has been left with very limited air capabilities. What I don't understand is the fact that JWTZ acquired their buffaloes at around the same time as KAF...the KAF airframes are still in service but the JWTZ ones have all been written off over 10 years ago. I suspect it's a lack of proper maintainance.

I've got even more damning evidence in case anyone wants to dispute this...

If you read the post in question carefully you will find that most of the TPDF's new birds mentioned elsewhere are missing in that list, just like the 6 UPDF's SU-30MK2...😛oa

 

[kshaka]

If you read the post in question carefully you will find that most of the TPDF's new birds mentioned elsewhere are missing in that list, just like the 6 UPDF's SU-30MK2...😛oa

yea, but still a lot of the birds listed on that JWTZ orbat are not serviceable at all, especially the transports and the rotaries. And reading through the orbats again, the Kenyan one is wrong also. KDF has 60 MD500's, not 5 as written on that list

 

[Codezilla]

Yes I'll do, until you grow up (you look younger than my youngest son who has more sense than you)!

You should be ashamed of yourself,arguing with your son's age-mates.no wonder i referred to you as a child

 

[Askari Kanzu]

You should be ashamed of yourself,arguing with your son's age-mates.no wonder i referred to you as a child

Ha ha ha. It does not help, and you know it!

 

[Mekatilili]

Let us be honest here! The reason Tanzania is not in Somalia despite the fact Somali pirates have been operating in your waters is because you simply can not afford a war. You have 27 000 active duty personnel and your military budget was $162 million for 2010 while Kenya with over 30,000 active duty troops spent over $700 million on its military the same year. And close to $400 million on the police who have a stand alone budget.

I do not mean to start a competition but I am only pointing the facts, you can not afford a war. Have an honest discussion for a change, you lack the equipment and logistical capability for any undertaking. You can not afford it!

 

[Mekatilili]

The army, which makes up the majority of the TPDF, is currently in the throes of converting from a socialist style army structure into something approaching the Western model and is suffering considerable difficulties in the process, having major disciplinary problems and a large inventory of equipment, much of which is unserviceable.[SUP][2][/SUP] Still organised in infantry brigades, the army is in reality a battalion-based organisation. One informed observer previously described the current Tanzanian Army as being a force of about 15 lightly armed infantry battalions mounted in transport that sometimes works. While a very large slice of the equipment inventory remains in storage, great efforts have been made in improving the mechanical serviceability of the logistical vehicle fleet and infantry transport.

• 5 × infantry brigade
• 1 × tank brigade
• 3 × artillery battalion
• 2 × air defence artillery battalion
• 1 × mortar battalion
• 2 × anti-tank battalion
• 1 × engineer battalion
• 1 × central logistic/support group

Current senior officers include:

• Chief of Staff: Lt. General Abdulrahman Amir Shimbo
• Commander of Land Forces Maj Gen Wilcjones Kisamba
• Chief of National Service: Maj Gen SN Kitundu

 

[Mekatilili]

[h=2]Air Force[/h]The current Commander of Air Force Command: is Maj Gen Ulomi.
A few of the Tanzanian air wing's transport remain serviceable. However, its Shenyang F-5s, and Chengdu F-7s are reported to fly rarely because of airworthiness problems[SUP][3][/SUP]. Tanzania's long coastline means that transports are also used for patrol flights.
In Tanzania, early 1980s; Contrary to what is usually reported, Tanzania never purchased any J-7Is from China. Instead, the Jeshi La Wananchi La Tanzania (Tanzanian People's Defence Force Air Wing, TPDF/AW) was given 14 MiG-21MFs and two MiG-21Us by the USSR in 1974. Many of these were lost in different accidents due to the poor training, and two were said to have been lost when their pilots defected. Nevertheless, the few surviving examples took part in the war against Uganda, in 1978-1979, when they saw much action, even if one was shot down in a case of fratricide fire (it was lost to SA-7s fired by Tanzanian troops). The Tanzanian Army captured seven MiG-21MFs and one MiG-21U trainer from the Ugandan Air Force, as well as a considerable amount of spare parts. All of these were flown out to Mwanza AB, to enter service with the TPDF/AW. In 1998, Tanzania purchased four additional MiG-21MFs from the Ukraine, but these were reportedly in a very poor shape, and not used very often. Meanwhile, in 1980, an order for 10 F-7Bs and two TF-7s was issued to China, and in 1997 also two F-7Ns were purchased from Iran, together with four ex-Iraqi Air Force transports of an unknown type. Today, no Russian-supplied MiG-21s remain in service with the TPDF/AW, and only three or four F-7s remain operational. The TPDF/AW MiG-21MFs are now confirmed to have carried serials - in black or green - underneath the cockpit, but no details about these are known.
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[MTAZAMO]

[h=2]Air Force[/h]The current Commander of Air Force Command: is Maj Gen Ulomi.
A few of the Tanzanian air wing's transport remain serviceable. However, its Shenyang F-5s, and Chengdu F-7s are reported to fly rarely because of airworthiness problems[SUP][3][/SUP]. Tanzania's long coastline means that transports are also used for patrol flights.
In Tanzania, early 1980s; Contrary to what is usually reported, Tanzania never purchased any J-7Is from China. Instead, the Jeshi La Wananchi La Tanzania (Tanzanian People's Defence Force Air Wing, TPDF/AW) was given 14 MiG-21MFs and two MiG-21Us by the USSR in 1974. Many of these were lost in different accidents due to the poor training, and two were said to have been lost when their pilots defected. Nevertheless, the few surviving examples took part in the war against Uganda, in 1978-1979, when they saw much action, even if one was shot down in a case of fratricide fire (it was lost to SA-7s fired by Tanzanian troops). The Tanzanian Army captured seven MiG-21MFs and one MiG-21U trainer from the Ugandan Air Force, as well as a considerable amount of spare parts. All of these were flown out to Mwanza AB, to enter service with the TPDF/AW. In 1998, Tanzania purchased four additional MiG-21MFs from the Ukraine, but these were reportedly in a very poor shape, and not used very often. Meanwhile, in 1980, an order for 10 F-7Bs and two TF-7s was issued to China, and in 1997 also two F-7Ns were purchased from Iran, together with four ex-Iraqi Air Force transports of an unknown type. Today, no Russian-supplied MiG-21s remain in service with the TPDF/AW, and only three or four F-7s remain operational. The TPDF/AW MiG-21MFs are now confirmed to have carried serials - in black or green - underneath the cockpit, but no details about these are known.
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Hii kitu niliisoma mahali,very confusing!! Cha kushangaza JWTZ hawajawahi kukanusha such propaganda!! Naamini makamanda wetu wanapita huku kama moja ya vyanzo vya habari kupata mtizamo wa jamii makini wanavyoliona jeshi lao.