The military strengths of Kenya and Uganda


Mazee usinielewe vibaya, there is always another way of replying even if someone really annoys you ( especially for established members like you). My point is lets avoid taking this discussion to a personal level and start hurling insults at each other. Because if we continue going like this we will be setting a bad precedent for future posters.
 
Babuyao said:
Moshe dayan nimekukubali. Una ujuzi wa mbinu za medani kama jina lako linavojipambanua.
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Yaani usiumie kichwa kabisa..., kwanza mwaka huu sherehe za uhuru tutawaonjesha kiduchu tu our might arsenal na ufiti wa jeshi letu..,
Mkenya hana experince na kwny battle kamanda kama unaanza kutetemeka na kulia mama wee ukiskia heavy machine gun zinakulenga huwezi kutoa maamuzi ya busara(timely and effective decisions)...,
tz saivi anapiga joint war exercise rwanda..., jeshi lpo vibrant na linapata experience zaidi na zaidi
 

Well, it is not a secret that Kenya's military is well equipped, better funded, but probably most inexperienced of all. We have to remember that it is not only the hardware which wins the war. When we fought Nduli Idi Amin we were not better equipped than he was, but we kicked his ass anyway. I can sense that Kenya's military is not that much different from that of Kenya. It is real stupid sending tanks, airplanes and whatever they have and want to show poor Somalians, to fight Al-Shaabab guerrillas. It is very similar ti swatting a mosquito with a baseball bat. NI ujinga kabisa hata Smatta anajua hilo. If Kenya's real want to win, they have to fight not show off.
 
Kenya ranks 40 in military spending globally. However, the defense expenditure is warranted given the strategic position of Kenya in the region besides its strategic importance to Britain, Israel, and United States. The same scenario now applies to the Chinese. Massive infrastructure upgrades and construction in Kenya have been the responsibility of the Chinese since 2005 when President Kibaki began specific economic reforms in the country. Defense expenditure plans have been cushioned from publicity besides keeping the clandestine due to the sensitive nature of arms info that can prompt an arms race in the region. There is also the issue of Kenyan security pact with Ethiopia, which shields both from armed conflicts. Southern Sudan military, a rebel outfit without discipline is now being trained and equipped by the Kenya army. Kenya main fear lies within Khartoum, Uganda, and Somalia.
 
 
Mkuu Pezzonavante, there is no such a Soviet/Russian jet fighter goes by the name/designation of Sukhoi-20 mk2, the jet fighters you are referring to (6 units bought by UPDF) are known as SU-30MK2 (NATO call them Flankers). Also there is no such American jet fighter goes bythe name/designation of US 35-F-15, perhaps you were referring to either the F-35 JSF or the F-15 fighters...
 

Mkuu asante saana kwa kufafanua hata mimi hapa nilikuwa najiuliza hizi habari mwenzetu anazitoa wapi?
 
SHERRIF ARPAIO said:
Bora hao Kenya na Uganda at least fleet yao kwenye airforce inatia moyo kuliko sisi bongo ambao tuna outdated and old Mig fighters za mwaka 1973 kule Ngerengere tena zipo nne tu, na sijui hata kama zinaruka!
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Taliban hawana ndege hata moja na wanaenda sambamba na mwenye B-2 na F-15, 16.
 
Zawadi Ngoda said:
Taliban hawana ndege hata moja na wanaenda sambamba na mwenye B-2 na F-15, 16.
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talibani walikuwa na ndege-sema kwa sasa hawana
pili hawaendi sahani moja na hao wenye f-15/16-you can see the looser by ur naked eyes
 

The JWTZ orbat here is seriously outdated...most of the planes listed are not airworthy at all! Here's a manifest;


as you can see, most of these aircraft listed here were written off or withdrawn from use in the late 90's. JWTZ has been left with very limited air capabilities. What I don't understand is the fact that JWTZ acquired their buffaloes at around the same time as KAF...the KAF airframes are still in service but the JWTZ ones have all been written off over 10 years ago. I suspect it's a lack of proper maintainance.

I've got even more damning evidence in case anyone wants to dispute this...
 

If you read the post in question carefully you will find that most of the TPDF's new birds mentioned elsewhere are missing in that list, just like the 6 UPDF's SU-30MK2...😛oa
 
Bantugbro said:
If you read the post in question carefully you will find that most of the TPDF's new birds mentioned elsewhere are missing in that list, just like the 6 UPDF's SU-30MK2...😛oa
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yea, but still a lot of the birds listed on that JWTZ orbat are not serviceable at all, especially the transports and the rotaries. And reading through the orbats again, the Kenyan one is wrong also. KDF has 60 MD500's, not 5 as written on that list
 
Askari Kanzu said:
Yes I'll do, until you grow up (you look younger than my youngest son who has more sense than you)!
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You should be ashamed of yourself,arguing with your son's age-mates.no wonder i referred to you as a child
 
Let us be honest here! The reason Tanzania is not in Somalia despite the fact Somali pirates have been operating in your waters is because you simply can not afford a war. You have 27 000 active duty personnel and your military budget was $162 million for 2010 while Kenya with over 30,000 active duty troops spent over $700 million on its military the same year. And close to $400 million on the police who have a stand alone budget.

I do not mean to start a competition but I am only pointing the facts, you can not afford a war. Have an honest discussion for a change, you lack the equipment and logistical capability for any undertaking. You can not afford it!
 
The army, which makes up the majority of the TPDF, is currently in the throes of converting from a socialist style army structure into something approaching the Western model and is suffering considerable difficulties in the process, having major disciplinary problems and a large inventory of equipment, much of which is unserviceable.[SUP][2][/SUP] Still organised in infantry brigades, the army is in reality a battalion-based organisation. One informed observer previously described the current Tanzanian Army as being a force of about 15 lightly armed infantry battalions mounted in transport that sometimes works. While a very large slice of the equipment inventory remains in storage, great efforts have been made in improving the mechanical serviceability of the logistical vehicle fleet and infantry transport.
  • 5 × infantry brigade
  • 1 × tank brigade
  • 3 × artillery battalion
  • 2 × air defence artillery battalion
  • 1 × mortar battalion
  • 2 × anti-tank battalion
  • 1 × engineer battalion
  • 1 × central logistic/support group
Current senior officers include:
 
[h=2]Air Force[/h]The current Commander of Air Force Command: is Maj Gen Ulomi.
A few of the Tanzanian air wing's transport remain serviceable. However, its Shenyang F-5s, and Chengdu F-7s are reported to fly rarely because of airworthiness problems[SUP][3][/SUP]. Tanzania's long coastline means that transports are also used for patrol flights.
In Tanzania, early 1980s; Contrary to what is usually reported, Tanzania never purchased any J-7Is from China. Instead, the Jeshi La Wananchi La Tanzania (Tanzanian People's Defence Force Air Wing, TPDF/AW) was given 14 MiG-21MFs and two MiG-21Us by the USSR in 1974. Many of these were lost in different accidents due to the poor training, and two were said to have been lost when their pilots defected. Nevertheless, the few surviving examples took part in the war against Uganda, in 1978-1979, when they saw much action, even if one was shot down in a case of fratricide fire (it was lost to SA-7s fired by Tanzanian troops). The Tanzanian Army captured seven MiG-21MFs and one MiG-21U trainer from the Ugandan Air Force, as well as a considerable amount of spare parts. All of these were flown out to Mwanza AB, to enter service with the TPDF/AW. In 1998, Tanzania purchased four additional MiG-21MFs from the Ukraine, but these were reportedly in a very poor shape, and not used very often. Meanwhile, in 1980, an order for 10 F-7Bs and two TF-7s was issued to China, and in 1997 also two F-7Ns were purchased from Iran, together with four ex-Iraqi Air Force transports of an unknown type. Today, no Russian-supplied MiG-21s remain in service with the TPDF/AW, and only three or four F-7s remain operational. The TPDF/AW MiG-21MFs are now confirmed to have carried serials - in black or green - underneath the cockpit, but no details about these are known.
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Hii kitu niliisoma mahali,very confusing!! Cha kushangaza JWTZ hawajawahi kukanusha such propaganda!! Naamini makamanda wetu wanapita huku kama moja ya vyanzo vya habari kupata mtizamo wa jamii makini wanavyoliona jeshi lao.
 
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