Washawasha
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huu ni uonevu live,USA hawana mpango wala nn
The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi
The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi
MaxShimba
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You are stupid. Not Obama.
Qaddaff is a killer and must go. Furthermore, it seems you are in denial of the truth in re of Qaddaf. Read news about the him and stop kukurupuka kama mwehu
MaxShimba
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Can you support your nonsense?
Twisted bigot unconstructive biocidal insalubrious criticism.
m_kishuri
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"I call this first Obama stupidity." Mwanasheria, hongera kwa huo mtazamo wako kuhusu sakata la Libya, lakini nadhani haumfahamu vizuri Obama. Huyu bwana ni Realist wa nguvu, na anachoangalia kwa sasa ni maslahi ya nchi yake. Hivi kweli baada ya Iraq na Afghanistan, ulitegemea raisi wa U.S.A awe mstari wa mbele kwenye vita nyingine in the Islamic World? Kama alivyosema Mammamia, kwa nini European Union, ambao wapo pua na mdomo na Libya hawafungi vibwebwe kwenye hili sakata? Au the Arab League, ambayo inawakilisha zaidi ya watu millioni 300 kutoka nchi za kiarabu?
Na kama Obama akiamua kuingia kichwakichwa, halafu hii kasheshe ikawa ya miaka kadhaa kama ilivyo Afghanistan, na bila kuepusha mauwaji ya raia kama ilivyokuwa SERBIA (SEBRENICA)ni nani atakayebeba hilo jukumu?
Serikali ya Obama bado ipo katika hatihati ya kuchaguliwa endapo hataweza kuimarisha UCHUMI wa nchi yake, ambao pamoja na mambo mengine, vita vya Afghanistan na Iraq vilichangia. Sasa kwa nini ajiongezee vita ya tatu?
Leo tunaongelea Libya, je vipi hii vurugu ikitapakaa hadi kwenye nchi kama Saudi Arabia itakuwaje? Je itabidi Obama apeleke majeshi huko?
Ningekushauri ukazipitie upya zile principles za REALISM ili kumuelewa vizuri huyu ndugu yetu, na kuelewa mstakabali wake kwenye hili suala.
Na kama Obama akiamua kuingia kichwakichwa, halafu hii kasheshe ikawa ya miaka kadhaa kama ilivyo Afghanistan, na bila kuepusha mauwaji ya raia kama ilivyokuwa SERBIA (SEBRENICA)ni nani atakayebeba hilo jukumu?
Serikali ya Obama bado ipo katika hatihati ya kuchaguliwa endapo hataweza kuimarisha UCHUMI wa nchi yake, ambao pamoja na mambo mengine, vita vya Afghanistan na Iraq vilichangia. Sasa kwa nini ajiongezee vita ya tatu?
Leo tunaongelea Libya, je vipi hii vurugu ikitapakaa hadi kwenye nchi kama Saudi Arabia itakuwaje? Je itabidi Obama apeleke majeshi huko?
Ningekushauri ukazipitie upya zile principles za REALISM ili kumuelewa vizuri huyu ndugu yetu, na kuelewa mstakabali wake kwenye hili suala.
EMT
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- Jan 13, 2010
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There was a recurring rhythm to President Barack Obama's speech about the no-fly zone over Libya. But it wasn't a drum beat of war - it was a chorus about consensus, an insistence on internationalism. It's certainly noticeable that he didn't mention the killings in Yemen (although he earlier issued a statement condemning them) or the unrest in Bahrain, stiffer tests of American power and resolve.
But I think we are seeing something new. He is using a crisis thrust upon him to set out an Obama doctrine of sorts, to make a statement about America's relationship with the world. While he is in charge, he is saying, America will not go it alone, will set limits on what it does, and won't impose its will. Some will not like this, and the world will find it difficult to adapt to a president who almost seems determined to lead from behind.
The Obama doctrine is a tightrope walk: Acting, but within limits, leading only as a first among equals. It is fantastically well-balanced, a masterpiece from Obama and his team. Leaving nobody in any doubt whatsoever that the crude Bush binary doctrine of 'you're either with us or against us' has been consigned to the dustbin of history. And that now America only works in conjuction with a broad range of partners to achieve geopolitical objectives ... it is a subtle version of an iron fist in a velvet glove.
In this specific case, Obama instantly switched his approach once the Arab League had made its move, that really was the crucial piece of the jigsaw that bestowed genuine legitimacy on America's participation in the Libyan crisis. Also, the EU members, Britain and especially France, clearly took the lead on this.
Something good is happening, members nations of the UN are beginning to mandate some of the UN's ideals on those member countries who have only really paid lip service to its principles. Broadly, if you want to stay in the club, you must obey the rules.
BBC - Mark Mardell's America: The Obama doctrine: The limits to American power
Elungata
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As i write USS INTEPRISE meli la kubebea madege ya kivita la marekani is distacing itself from medditerania water to gulf of eden.removing that aircraft carrier from libya ater ambayo ilitakia kuinforce non flying zone suggest.
-Wamerikani wamegundua kuwa wale wapigania uhuru are not freedomfighter at all na wako kibiashara zaidi na waeza kua algaida kweli.
-marekani imeshindwa kupata ushirikiano wa kijeshi toka misri mpaka sasa ni gatar na united arab emirate ndo wamekubali kutoa ushirikiano na wakati huo saudi inapinga mpango huo.
Kuonyesha hawakua wamejiandaa kuimpose non flying zone hakuna ndege iwe ya marekani,uk,france ama mataifa ya kiarabu iliyoruka leo juu ya anga la libya inasemekana itachukua hata wiki.yaonekana bado kuna ubishi kwani marekani hawataki kucommit askari wao wao wanataka kuproduce logistic support huku,uk,waarabu na france wakiongoza operatiön.
Wakati hayo yakiendelea obama amtaka gadaf awaondoe askari wake toka maeneo aliyoyateka na bi clinton akisema mwisho ya yote lazima ghadaf aondoke madarakani.
Kwa ufupi obama maneno kibao action zero
-Wamerikani wamegundua kuwa wale wapigania uhuru are not freedomfighter at all na wako kibiashara zaidi na waeza kua algaida kweli.
-marekani imeshindwa kupata ushirikiano wa kijeshi toka misri mpaka sasa ni gatar na united arab emirate ndo wamekubali kutoa ushirikiano na wakati huo saudi inapinga mpango huo.
Kuonyesha hawakua wamejiandaa kuimpose non flying zone hakuna ndege iwe ya marekani,uk,france ama mataifa ya kiarabu iliyoruka leo juu ya anga la libya inasemekana itachukua hata wiki.yaonekana bado kuna ubishi kwani marekani hawataki kucommit askari wao wao wanataka kuproduce logistic support huku,uk,waarabu na france wakiongoza operatiön.
Wakati hayo yakiendelea obama amtaka gadaf awaondoe askari wake toka maeneo aliyoyateka na bi clinton akisema mwisho ya yote lazima ghadaf aondoke madarakani.
Kwa ufupi obama maneno kibao action zero
VUVUZELA
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You are the one who is the stupidiest of the stupids!
You should direct your anger to the AU and The Arab League.
engmtolera
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http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/lots-of-military-options-in-libya-24577583;_ylt=AvEbhgzMOkyU4jRDEC0UXhGz174F;_ylu=X3oDMTEwZjdnZnBlBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNjbGlwcwRzbGsDbG90c29mbWlsaXRhWASHINGTON – After weeks of hesitation and divisions among his advisers, President Barack Obama on Friday endorsed military action against Libya's Moammar Gadhafi, saying U.S. values and credibility are at stake to stop "the potential for mass murder" of innocents.
The U.S. military, which is already stretched thin by two wars and an expanding effort to assist disaster victims in Japan, would take a supporting role, Obama said, with European and Arab partners in the lead. He explicitly ruled out sending American ground forces into the North African nation.
A wide range of U.S. firepower stood ready, including Navy ships and submarines capable of launching Tomahawk cruise missiles with high-explosive warheads that could destroy air defense sites and other potential targets in the earliest stages of any allied military action.
In solemn remarks at the White House, Obama never used the word "war," but that is what U.S. forces could face if Gadhafi refuses to comply with United Nations demands. It is widely anticipated that a first step in imposing a no-fly zone over Libya - a tactic aimed at keeping Gadhafi's planes from attacking - would be assaults on the country's coastal air defenses.
Obama offered a string of reasons for committing to military action.
"Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Gadhafi would commit atrocities against his people," he said. "Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners. The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun."
That marked a major shift from the public caution expressed until recent days by Obama's top national security advisers, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen. All had said that a no-fly zone or other military action would be a difficult undertaking tantamount to war, or that it could have unintended consequences.
European leaders have been keen to show support for the Libyan rebels, but the United States had hung back until this week.
The administration was divided for weeks over how to address the situation in Libya, which differed from other Arab revolts when it moved from a political uprising to an armed insurrection against a strongman.
Military leaders were most cautious, arguing that a rush to show solidarity with the rebels might be shortsighted. Clinton and some other top diplomats were in the middle, with some White House advisers and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice apparently most ready to back the use of force.
In remarks to Congress earlier this month, Gates spoke skeptically of the wisdom of military intervention in Libya. He argued that because imposition of a no-fly zone would require attacks first on Libyan air defenses, the operation would be tantamount to going to war.
The Gates view seemed to resonate in the administration until the Arab League last weekend called for U.S. authorization of a no-fly zone. At that point the prevailing U.S. sentiment seemed to shift in favor of pressing for a U.N. Security Council resolution and subsequently giving Gadhafi an ultimatum.
Obama said he was dispatching Clinton to Paris for a meeting Saturday to discuss with British, French and other partner countries the next steps in Libya. The president said he directed Gates to coordinate military planning, which has been in the works for weeks while the administration pondered the ramifications of getting involved militarily while also fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The president made no reference to a Libya's declaration of an immediate cease-fire on Friday - a statement that a rebel spokesman said was fiction.
Instead, Obama listed a series of demands for Gadhafi, including the halting of all attacks against civilians, a stop to military action against the rebel-controlled city of Benghazi and other cities and permission for international humanitarian supplies to reach civilians displaced by the violence.
"Let me be clear, these terms are not negotiable," he said.
The president was equally clear that the U.S. would not act alone.
"American leadership is essential, but that does not mean acting alone -- it means shaping the conditions for the international community to act together," he said.
Even more explicitly: "We will provide the unique capabilities that we can bring to bear to stop the violence against civilians, including enabling our European allies and Arab partners to effectively enforce a no-fly zone." He seemed to verbally underline the word "enabling," to emphasize the U.S. support role.
Analysts say Libya's air force and air defense systems, while not negligible, are decrepit by Western standards and unlikely to stand up to assault.
Defense analysts said Libya's military has been weakened by years of neglect, armed with outdated aircraft and weapons, and directed by a radar and communications system that may have limited capabilities.
They cautioned, however, that it is difficult to give an exact assessment of Libya's military abilities, particularly in the wake of the recent uprising that saw some troops defecting and taking their weapons and aircraft with them.
An assessment prepared by the Congressional Research Service this week said greater worries could come after a no-fly-zone was in effect and the U.S. and its allies had to deal with a heavily armed populace in disarray.
"The apparent proliferation of small arms, man-portable air defense missile systems, and some heavy weaponry among fighters on both sides also is leading some outside counterterrorism and arms trafficking experts to express concern about the conflict's longer term implications for regional security," the new report said.
The uprising against Gadhafi is only one of many struggles being played out in the region as long-time autocratic regimes come under pressure. Protests in Tunisia and Egypt have led to the ouster of long-time rulers, and there have been demonstrations in Yemen, Jordan and Bahrain. Protests erupted in at least three parts of Syria during the day Friday, according to state television and other source
Before his public announcement that U.S. forces would join in military action against Libya, Obama met at the White House with congressional leaders of both parties to discuss his thinking.
"The U.S. military will be playing a supportive role in this action. We will not have troops on the ground; instead we are providing strategic support where we have unique capabilities to the Arab and European nations that are taking the lead," said Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee. He took part in the Obama session by telephone.
Speaking earlier, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he believes Obama has authority to commit U.S. forces to participate in imposing a no-fly zone without congressional approval, but he expressed hope that Congress would bless the move.
If the U.S. military is ordered to establish a no-fly zone, a wide variety of high-tech weapons and aircraft would be sent from bases in Europe and the United States to shut down or disrupt Libya's Soviet-era air defense systems and its communications networks, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told Congress Thursday.
He said it would take about a week to establish the no-fly zone. If such a mission is ordered, he said, he expected the supersonic F-22 Raptor - a jet fighter yet to be used in combat - to play a prominent role in the initial wave. With its stealth design, the F-22 can evade radar and has advanced engines that allow it to fly at faster-than-sound speeds without using gas-guzzling afterburners.
Other fighters, such as the F-15 and F-16, would also be used, as would bombers, airlifters, refueling tankers and highly specialized aircraft such as the RC-135 Rivet Joint and the EC-130H Compass Call. The Rivet Joint is loaded with sophisticated intelligence gathering gear that allows the U.S. to spy on the enemy from the air. The Compass Call is an electronic warfare plane that disrupts an adversary's communications
The U.S. military, which is already stretched thin by two wars and an expanding effort to assist disaster victims in Japan, would take a supporting role, Obama said, with European and Arab partners in the lead. He explicitly ruled out sending American ground forces into the North African nation.
A wide range of U.S. firepower stood ready, including Navy ships and submarines capable of launching Tomahawk cruise missiles with high-explosive warheads that could destroy air defense sites and other potential targets in the earliest stages of any allied military action.
In solemn remarks at the White House, Obama never used the word "war," but that is what U.S. forces could face if Gadhafi refuses to comply with United Nations demands. It is widely anticipated that a first step in imposing a no-fly zone over Libya - a tactic aimed at keeping Gadhafi's planes from attacking - would be assaults on the country's coastal air defenses.
Obama offered a string of reasons for committing to military action.
"Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Gadhafi would commit atrocities against his people," he said. "Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners. The calls of the Libyan people for help would go unanswered. The democratic values that we stand for would be overrun."
That marked a major shift from the public caution expressed until recent days by Obama's top national security advisers, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen. All had said that a no-fly zone or other military action would be a difficult undertaking tantamount to war, or that it could have unintended consequences.
European leaders have been keen to show support for the Libyan rebels, but the United States had hung back until this week.
The administration was divided for weeks over how to address the situation in Libya, which differed from other Arab revolts when it moved from a political uprising to an armed insurrection against a strongman.
Military leaders were most cautious, arguing that a rush to show solidarity with the rebels might be shortsighted. Clinton and some other top diplomats were in the middle, with some White House advisers and U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice apparently most ready to back the use of force.
In remarks to Congress earlier this month, Gates spoke skeptically of the wisdom of military intervention in Libya. He argued that because imposition of a no-fly zone would require attacks first on Libyan air defenses, the operation would be tantamount to going to war.
The Gates view seemed to resonate in the administration until the Arab League last weekend called for U.S. authorization of a no-fly zone. At that point the prevailing U.S. sentiment seemed to shift in favor of pressing for a U.N. Security Council resolution and subsequently giving Gadhafi an ultimatum.
Obama said he was dispatching Clinton to Paris for a meeting Saturday to discuss with British, French and other partner countries the next steps in Libya. The president said he directed Gates to coordinate military planning, which has been in the works for weeks while the administration pondered the ramifications of getting involved militarily while also fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The president made no reference to a Libya's declaration of an immediate cease-fire on Friday - a statement that a rebel spokesman said was fiction.
Instead, Obama listed a series of demands for Gadhafi, including the halting of all attacks against civilians, a stop to military action against the rebel-controlled city of Benghazi and other cities and permission for international humanitarian supplies to reach civilians displaced by the violence.
"Let me be clear, these terms are not negotiable," he said.
The president was equally clear that the U.S. would not act alone.
"American leadership is essential, but that does not mean acting alone -- it means shaping the conditions for the international community to act together," he said.
Even more explicitly: "We will provide the unique capabilities that we can bring to bear to stop the violence against civilians, including enabling our European allies and Arab partners to effectively enforce a no-fly zone." He seemed to verbally underline the word "enabling," to emphasize the U.S. support role.
Analysts say Libya's air force and air defense systems, while not negligible, are decrepit by Western standards and unlikely to stand up to assault.
Defense analysts said Libya's military has been weakened by years of neglect, armed with outdated aircraft and weapons, and directed by a radar and communications system that may have limited capabilities.
They cautioned, however, that it is difficult to give an exact assessment of Libya's military abilities, particularly in the wake of the recent uprising that saw some troops defecting and taking their weapons and aircraft with them.
An assessment prepared by the Congressional Research Service this week said greater worries could come after a no-fly-zone was in effect and the U.S. and its allies had to deal with a heavily armed populace in disarray.
"The apparent proliferation of small arms, man-portable air defense missile systems, and some heavy weaponry among fighters on both sides also is leading some outside counterterrorism and arms trafficking experts to express concern about the conflict's longer term implications for regional security," the new report said.
The uprising against Gadhafi is only one of many struggles being played out in the region as long-time autocratic regimes come under pressure. Protests in Tunisia and Egypt have led to the ouster of long-time rulers, and there have been demonstrations in Yemen, Jordan and Bahrain. Protests erupted in at least three parts of Syria during the day Friday, according to state television and other source
Before his public announcement that U.S. forces would join in military action against Libya, Obama met at the White House with congressional leaders of both parties to discuss his thinking.
"The U.S. military will be playing a supportive role in this action. We will not have troops on the ground; instead we are providing strategic support where we have unique capabilities to the Arab and European nations that are taking the lead," said Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., the top Democrat on the Foreign Affairs Committee. He took part in the Obama session by telephone.
Speaking earlier, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he believes Obama has authority to commit U.S. forces to participate in imposing a no-fly zone without congressional approval, but he expressed hope that Congress would bless the move.
If the U.S. military is ordered to establish a no-fly zone, a wide variety of high-tech weapons and aircraft would be sent from bases in Europe and the United States to shut down or disrupt Libya's Soviet-era air defense systems and its communications networks, Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told Congress Thursday.
He said it would take about a week to establish the no-fly zone. If such a mission is ordered, he said, he expected the supersonic F-22 Raptor - a jet fighter yet to be used in combat - to play a prominent role in the initial wave. With its stealth design, the F-22 can evade radar and has advanced engines that allow it to fly at faster-than-sound speeds without using gas-guzzling afterburners.
Other fighters, such as the F-15 and F-16, would also be used, as would bombers, airlifters, refueling tankers and highly specialized aircraft such as the RC-135 Rivet Joint and the EC-130H Compass Call. The Rivet Joint is loaded with sophisticated intelligence gathering gear that allows the U.S. to spy on the enemy from the air. The Compass Call is an electronic warfare plane that disrupts an adversary's communications
Viper
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Those calling for a military rather than diplomatic solution to the situation in Libya have placed a heavy reliance on the Arab League to demonstrate a need for military intervention in Libya and the organisation has delivered a positive verdict – although Germany and Russia have queried not only the premise for the decision but also asked for details on its objectives. There's more to yes than three letters.
Nevertheless, it's been of no relevance to Britain, France and now the US, that the mandate for the regional criterion has come from an organisation harbouring the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Oman and Bahrain or that the quest for democracy is being quelled in these countries in a heavy-handed manner: for instance, soldiers from the Emirates and Saudi Arabia have been drafted into Bahrain to help in cracking the skulls of protesters. This is the blind spot approach that forms the bedrock of the view that the Arab League is the regional organisation whose support is most critical if there is to be a military intervention in Libya. This, however, is not the case. The most legitimate of all organisations that could lay claim not only to the whole of the African continent but also to a regional connection with Libya is the African Union (the ''AU''). This view becomes more poignant, particularly if the history of Libya and the Arab league is contrasted with that of the AU and this may be the significant reason why the West (significantly, Britain, France and the US) move away from engaging or including the AU in its discussion of the Libya crisis. The Arab League and Gaddafi have never truly sat jaw-to-jaw, for many reasons but significantly because of Gaddafi's quest to annex the territories of others around him and because of a different factor, the Sunni-Shiite persistent division (significant outside the north of Africa) in the Arabian peninsula and the need to keep Iran in check, have never been issues that seriously troubled Gaddafi.
The AU, on the hand, in its present format was founded in Sirte, Gaddafi's hometown in 1999 and has been well-funded with Libya's petrodollars. The AU has declared its opposition to military intervention in Libya. While such a move may direct a presumption of partiality against the AU; equally the West can be said to be driven by other motives particularly if the response to the Arab uprisings in Oman, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia is compared to those of North Africa. The AU's initial silence of the uprising in North Africa was hugely and deservedly criticised by many in Africa including a critical public statement by Gambia's Yahya Jammeh. Two factors however can be attributed for the cautious approach: the first, the AU like many regional and international organisations, including the Arab League, has a set of objectives which include respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of its member states (this includes respect for human rights and observation of the UN Charter on human rights) and, the second, the AU at the beginning of the Libyan crisis was heavily involved with the situation in Cote d' Ivoire – a country with an internal strife but of no apparent relevance in importance to the West. It is this latter approach which arguably gives the AU a greater semblance of credibility and can exonerate it from any claims of partiality in dealing with the crisis in Libya.
An approach that moved the AU to declare Ouattara the winner of the election in Cote d' Ivoire has now been modified to cater for the situation in Libya. Through its Peace and Security Council the AU has put in place a coalition of Heads of States panel (which includes the political leaders of South Africa, Uganda, Mauritania, Congo and Mali) to look into the situation in Libya on a fact-finding mission and forward possible recommendations, for a solution. This position of the AU is one arrived at by all the countries within the organisation as opposed to it being an agenda driven by a particular country. Unsurprisingly, Gaddafi has welcomed the AU's approach and confirmed Libya would facilitate the discussion through all means possible. The delegation should be in Libya after the UN Security Council meeting on Thursday.
The AU's approach deserves commendation and needs to be supported and given a chance to take place before any military intervention. Whichever way this challenge is resolved; the AU will be needed as a partner. It has recently developed a peacekeeping standby force and since the 1990s has managed, sometimes with the assistance of the EU, NATO and UN, to operate peacekeeping activity in many countries including Sudan (a North African country and member of both the AU and the Arab League), Somalia, Liberia and Burundi. For the West (particularly, Britain) to ignore the AU for the Arab League or to pretend as if the latter is the only organisation with a claim to regional connection to Libya is not only a fallacy but also a position which may come back to haunt it when all is said and done in Libya.
Eqlypz
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Dah!! Aliyepush hiyo resolution ya no-fly zone ni Lebanon, anayekazania kuienforce ni Uingereza na France sasa haya ya US/Obama kutaka kuinade Libya yanatokea wapi? Tuwe tunaandika kama watu wenye uelewa sio tunaosukumwa na ushabiki na chuki. kha!!
Eqlypz
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Hizo silaha ziliibiwa kwenye maghala ya jeshi la Libya baada ya baadhi ya wanajeshi na polisi kuhasi, isitoshe maandamano yalianza kama ya amani ila serikali ya Libya ikaanza kuwashambulia (reference incidents za Green Square, Ajdabiya na kwingineko).
YouTube - Libya Live Ammo Fired At Protesters --- PEOPLE WORLDWIDE UNITE ! ---
Selwa
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Ndugu Vita Hii Haihusu Wamerkani wala EU.. Vita hii ilibidi Viongozi was Africa n Viongozi wa Uarabuni wa-solve lakini Africa tumeonesha ujinga wetu kwa kunyamaza kimya
Mtu wa Pwani
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hapana kwa hili la Gaddafi obama ni mpuuzi tu, hivi anataka USA wakitokea watu wakaasi na kufanya kama wanavyofanya libya atachekelea?
mbona Yemen na yeye anawau kwa risasi waandamanaji na sio waasi hatusikiii kitu.
ukiangalia kwa ndani hii pich UTAELEWA KINACHOENDELEA
mbona Yemen na yeye anawau kwa risasi waandamanaji na sio waasi hatusikiii kitu.
ukiangalia kwa ndani hii pich UTAELEWA KINACHOENDELEA
Elungata
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Uk na france hawako katika hali nzuri saana,aircraft carrier ya uk ilikua maintenence na haiwezi kutia timu hapo meddeterania,de gaule ile ya france ilikua persian gulf kusaidiana na ile USS NIMTZ ya usa kwenze standoff na iran hata kama itaamua kugeuza kurudi mediterani itachukua zaidi ya wiki kufika hapo na kumshambulia ghadaf tokea kwenye base huko france ni distance itahitaji airbornerefueling,so ni costly.
The only aircraft carrier arround ni USS ENTEPRISE ya marekani ikiwa na ndege zaidi ya sitini za kijeshi lakini usiku wa kuamkia leo ilianza kuondoka pwani ya libya kuelekea ghuba ya eden.wakati marekani anakwepa kutumia askari wake kwa kuhofia kunasa hapo kama huko irag,france na UK wanaupungufu wa logistic.
Waarabu nao wako busy kuzima maandamano ndo kisa hadi saa ni kimya.
The only aircraft carrier arround ni USS ENTEPRISE ya marekani ikiwa na ndege zaidi ya sitini za kijeshi lakini usiku wa kuamkia leo ilianza kuondoka pwani ya libya kuelekea ghuba ya eden.wakati marekani anakwepa kutumia askari wake kwa kuhofia kunasa hapo kama huko irag,france na UK wanaupungufu wa logistic.
Waarabu nao wako busy kuzima maandamano ndo kisa hadi saa ni kimya.
Mallaba
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Hapo ndio utagundua kuwa wandika mada amekurupuka sana bila hata ya kujua ni nini anachokiandika.
Kwa kipindi cha kwanza katika historia USA imekuwa kimya sana wala haikutaka kumvamia Ghadafi kwa nguvu.
Kama hujui UK,France and EU kwa ujumla ndio walio push kwa nguvu sana ili hiyo resolution ipitishwe.
Basi kwa kuwa swala limeshakubaliwa na UN sioni ajabu kwa Obama kutolea maamuzi na muelekeo wake akaiwa kama Rais.
Lakini kwa kifupi tu USA wamejitahidi sana kuwa wavumilivu, hata hayo maneno makali aliyoyatoa akifuatiwa na Clinton imebidi tu afanye hivyo baada ya kuona viongozi wenzake kuoka UK,France,Spain ,German etc wakionyesha wako tayari kupeleka majeshi yao.
sometime hili ni swala la kisiasa zaidi,
Kwa kipindi cha kwanza katika historia USA imekuwa kimya sana wala haikutaka kumvamia Ghadafi kwa nguvu.
Kama hujui UK,France and EU kwa ujumla ndio walio push kwa nguvu sana ili hiyo resolution ipitishwe.
Basi kwa kuwa swala limeshakubaliwa na UN sioni ajabu kwa Obama kutolea maamuzi na muelekeo wake akaiwa kama Rais.
Lakini kwa kifupi tu USA wamejitahidi sana kuwa wavumilivu, hata hayo maneno makali aliyoyatoa akifuatiwa na Clinton imebidi tu afanye hivyo baada ya kuona viongozi wenzake kuoka UK,France,Spain ,German etc wakionyesha wako tayari kupeleka majeshi yao.
sometime hili ni swala la kisiasa zaidi,
Kapo Jr
JF-Expert Member
- Jan 31, 2011
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There is profit which USA(obama)and other western countries in Libya uprisings.1 why libyans react against Gadaffi's rule although they gets good social services? 2.Always USA stay frontline at any conflicts,why? And UN is it an US's institution? any uprisings US enter in so the sources of it is USA even in libya,misri
Mtu wa Mungu
JF-Expert Member
- Nov 9, 2010
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MwanaJF Mwanasheria inaonekana hili la Gadafi limekuuma mpaka ndani ya mifupa yako! Pole sana!! Hebu nikuulize swali-are you a patriot??? If so, between Kikwete and Obama who is more stupid in the standards you have based your perception??????????