Go and read your bible carefully and slowly...its written in psalms:82:6 and even Jesus himself said we are gods. And the epistles of Paul inatuambia we are joint heirs with Jesus so why are you worried equating Ghadaffi to His brother Jesus who is the first born in the Kingdom of our dear God the father? All who are born in spirit are daughters and sons of God; Can God bear a child of different nature to him? This will be a new innovation in science for reproduction is possible in the same species and never to a different species. So unless you are sure Ghadafi is not born of the spirit of God by faith you have no right to judge him not to be a joint heir with christ in the kingdom of God. Acha mambo ya kushabikia dini utaingia dhambini bure mpendwa na kujitwalia laana. Imani bila matendo imekufa. Huwezi kusema unampenda Mungu huku kwa matendo na maneno una mchukia kiumbe wa Mungu. Chukia matendo ya watu lakini si watu. Kwahiyo matendo ya westerners ni maovu kama ambavyo tungesikia kwamba Ghadaffi anasaidia uislamu kwa selfishness yake basi tungemsema pia so far wanatuambia ni dictator kwani kuna shida gani kama watu wake wameamua iwe hivyo na pia kama anaona yeye kati ya raia wote hakuna anayeweza kulinda haki za raia wa Libya kama yeye na ndivyo tuonavyo kutokana na maendeleo walio ya fikia. Ndiyo maana hukunisikia nikiwasemea Tunisia na Egypt kwani matendo ya viongozi wao walikuwa yana athiri wanyonge.
The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi
The rise and fall of Colonel Muamar Gadaffi
Go and read your bible carefully and slowly...its written in psalms:82:6 and even Jesus himself said we are gods. And the epistles of Paul inatuambia we are joint heirs with Jesus so why are you worried equating Ghadaffi to His brother Jesus who is the first born in the Kingdom of our dear God the father? All who are born in spirit are daughters and sons of God; Can God bear a child of different nature to him? This will be a new innovation in science for reproduction is possible in the same species and never to a different species. So unless you are sure Ghadafi is not born of the spirit of God by faith you have no right to judge him not to be a joint heir with christ in the kingdom of God. Acha mambo ya kushabikia dini utaingia dhambini bure mpendwa na kujitwalia laana. Imani bila matendo imekufa. Huwezi kusema unampenda Mungu huku kwa matendo na maneno una mchukia kiumbe wa Mungu. Chukia matendo ya watu lakini si watu. Kwahiyo matendo ya westerners ni maovu kama ambavyo tungesikia kwamba Ghadaffi anasaidia uislamu kwa selfishness yake basi tungemsema pia so far wanatuambia ni dictator kwani kuna shida gani kama watu wake wameamua iwe hivyo na pia kama anaona yeye kati ya raia wote hakuna anayeweza kulinda haki za raia wa Libya kama yeye na ndivyo tuonavyo kutokana na maendeleo walio ya fikia. Ndiyo maana hukunisikia nikiwasemea Tunisia na Egypt kwani matendo ya viongozi wao walikuwa yana athiri wanyonge.
kwanini na wewe usione pia uhuru wanaouhitaji walibya unahatarisha sovereignity yao kama nchi? Hujui kipi kwamba wasipokuwa na system kama hiyo maadui zao watasababisha tu mitengano ili waweze kuwagawa na hatimaye waupoteze utaifa wao na resources zao kuibiwa na hao walafi wa dunia? Mbona unaangalia upande mmoja tu washilingi? Sasa hapo yupi yupo upande wa kuwapenda raia wa Libya Ghadaffi au hao wana demokrasia maslahi? Ghadaffi yuko caught up kwenye hiyo dillema ndiyo maana akabana uhuru kwa manufaa ya wananchi wa Libya na yake mwenyewe. Mbona China nao wako hivyo hivyo? Lakini unaona hao wanavyobabaika na maendeleo ya China?
Just one point-I do not hate Gadafi or anyone for that matter, and I am sure if you read me well, there is nowhere where I implied that I detest Gadaffi....I mainly said and I say, that we cannot equate a mortal being with the immortal, a finite with the infinite. Plus I made it clear Gadafi might have done good things just as anyone else, but that does not equate him with Jesus......hayo mengine si yangu ni yako na kama unataka kumwita Gadafi Mungu pia ni uchaguzi wako....but what you think about him does not necessarily make him what he ought to be
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Wengi wetu humu ni wafata mkumbo tu,yani mmegawanyika kutokana na dini zenu mostly.
Ghadafi ana bahati pia kuwa Obama ndiyo rais,angekuwa republican Gaddafi angekuwa out loong time.
Obama kama politician,ana act kama anavyofanya,yani kuendana na sera za nchi yake,however kama si politics,sidhani kama ange act this way.
Inawezekana pia maneno ya Gaddafi yamemsaidia kidogo kuwepo madarakani hadi sasa.Hata kama Obama anamchukia Gaddafi,bado kuna elements zitakazosababisha asimle akakwisha,kwasababu kama alisympathise na falsafa za Wright,then jazieni.
Ghadafi ana bahati pia kuwa Obama ndiyo rais,angekuwa republican Gaddafi angekuwa out loong time.
Obama kama politician,ana act kama anavyofanya,yani kuendana na sera za nchi yake,however kama si politics,sidhani kama ange act this way.
Inawezekana pia maneno ya Gaddafi yamemsaidia kidogo kuwepo madarakani hadi sasa.Hata kama Obama anamchukia Gaddafi,bado kuna elements zitakazosababisha asimle akakwisha,kwasababu kama alisympathise na falsafa za Wright,then jazieni.
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Justify hapo kwenye red
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Msimamo wangu pia ni the same.Libya wanaonewa,the war is unnecessary,na lengo ni kuwarudisha nyuma tu.Wananchi wa Libya waliowasapoti wavamizi watajuta,kwasababu it will take long before they get what they have been getting under the current regime.
Na kwa wale washabiki especially ambao mmegawanyika kwa misingi ya kiimani ie dini,muelewe kwamba hao mnaowasapoti wako kibiashara zaidi ya kiimani kama mnavyodhani.
Piganieni maendeleo na utu badala ya mabwana.
Na kwa wale washabiki especially ambao mmegawanyika kwa misingi ya kiimani ie dini,muelewe kwamba hao mnaowasapoti wako kibiashara zaidi ya kiimani kama mnavyodhani.
Piganieni maendeleo na utu badala ya mabwana.
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Hamna mapinduzi na machafuko yaliyonitia simanzi kama ya Libya, it pains as if namimi ni raia wa hiyo nnchi. Hivi walibya wanajua hali tuliyonayo huku Tanzania?? we are free but ukiumwa, huna kazi, huna ada ya chuo au shule ya sekondari, umestaafu hujamaliza kusomesha watoto au huna mahali pa kukaa hamna serikali inatakayo kusaidia. Sasa kuna haja gani ya kuwa na democracy isiyo na faida??
Kweli mkataa pema pabaya panamwita, na tayari Libya wameshaharibu watajutia maisha yao yote.
Gadaffi u r our hero no matter what.
Kweli mkataa pema pabaya panamwita, na tayari Libya wameshaharibu watajutia maisha yao yote.
Gadaffi u r our hero no matter what.
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The Battle against Gadhafi
NATO Fears War without End in Libya
By Carsten Volkery
AP Rebel fighters in the town of Brega. Their leaders have demanded more air strikes from NATO.
The front in Libya is barely moving as the country remains split between rebels and Gadhafi's troops. The rebels are complaining of not receiving enough air support, but NATO is hardly in a position to ramp it up after the withdrawal of US fighter jets. The resulting stalemate underscores the lack of a clear strategy for the allies in Libya.
American warplanes had hardly left the skies over Libya when the remonstrations began. "NATO has let us down," said rebel military chief Abdul Fattah Younis. As the rebels retreated in the town of Brega in the face of a heavy onslaught by Gadhafi's troops, there were no NATO planes in sight.
The withdrawal of the American planes, which flew more than half of the sorties in the first two weeks of the air strikes, has weakened NATO's potential force. With the organization having taken control of the operation, American planes are now only in standby mode, leaving the much smaller air forces of France and the United Kingdom to take on most of the workload. Appeals from the NATO leadership to member countries to send more aircraft have so far been met with little success. Only the British have beefed up their presence, increasing the number of its Tornado contingent from eight to 12. The French, meanwhile, are having to split their military resouces between two fronts now, with the opening of the conflict in the Ivory Coast. But the Libyan rebels are not alone in their complaints: Within NATO, there is also increasing frustration at the slow progress on the ground. The seemingly rudderless attacking and fleeing of the untrained fighters in the face of government soldiers is causing the Western allies to despair, albeit not in public, because it looks more and more likely that the undeclared aim of the international intervention -- the removal of Moammar Gadhafi -- will probably never be achieved.
And this mutual disillusionment suggests that the second phase of the civil war is now beginning. The situation which critics had feared from the start has now seemingly occurred: a stalemate. The rebels are strong enough, with the support of NATO, to maintain their control of Benghazi, but are too weak to drive on in the direction of Tripoli. The front is moving a few miles back and forth, but the split between the Gadhafi-controlled west of the country and the rebel zone in the east seems to be solidifying.
"Sliding into a Prolonged Conflict"
"Libya appears to be sliding into a prolonged conflict with no light at the end of the tunnel," Fawaz Gerges, a Middle East expert at the London School of Economics (LSE), wrote in a commentary posted on CNN's website. The tenacious resistance of the Gadhafi regime is not surprising, he added, "given the tribal structure of Libyan society and Gadhafi's manipulation and co-opting of tribal divisions and allies."
-Spiegel Online
NATO Fears War without End in Libya
By Carsten Volkery
AP Rebel fighters in the town of Brega. Their leaders have demanded more air strikes from NATO.
The front in Libya is barely moving as the country remains split between rebels and Gadhafi's troops. The rebels are complaining of not receiving enough air support, but NATO is hardly in a position to ramp it up after the withdrawal of US fighter jets. The resulting stalemate underscores the lack of a clear strategy for the allies in Libya.
American warplanes had hardly left the skies over Libya when the remonstrations began. "NATO has let us down," said rebel military chief Abdul Fattah Younis. As the rebels retreated in the town of Brega in the face of a heavy onslaught by Gadhafi's troops, there were no NATO planes in sight.
The withdrawal of the American planes, which flew more than half of the sorties in the first two weeks of the air strikes, has weakened NATO's potential force. With the organization having taken control of the operation, American planes are now only in standby mode, leaving the much smaller air forces of France and the United Kingdom to take on most of the workload. Appeals from the NATO leadership to member countries to send more aircraft have so far been met with little success. Only the British have beefed up their presence, increasing the number of its Tornado contingent from eight to 12. The French, meanwhile, are having to split their military resouces between two fronts now, with the opening of the conflict in the Ivory Coast. But the Libyan rebels are not alone in their complaints: Within NATO, there is also increasing frustration at the slow progress on the ground. The seemingly rudderless attacking and fleeing of the untrained fighters in the face of government soldiers is causing the Western allies to despair, albeit not in public, because it looks more and more likely that the undeclared aim of the international intervention -- the removal of Moammar Gadhafi -- will probably never be achieved.
And this mutual disillusionment suggests that the second phase of the civil war is now beginning. The situation which critics had feared from the start has now seemingly occurred: a stalemate. The rebels are strong enough, with the support of NATO, to maintain their control of Benghazi, but are too weak to drive on in the direction of Tripoli. The front is moving a few miles back and forth, but the split between the Gadhafi-controlled west of the country and the rebel zone in the east seems to be solidifying.
"Sliding into a Prolonged Conflict"
"Libya appears to be sliding into a prolonged conflict with no light at the end of the tunnel," Fawaz Gerges, a Middle East expert at the London School of Economics (LSE), wrote in a commentary posted on CNN's website. The tenacious resistance of the Gadhafi regime is not surprising, he added, "given the tribal structure of Libyan society and Gadhafi's manipulation and co-opting of tribal divisions and allies."
-Spiegel Online
jmushi1
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Exactly!Watajuta....Wale waliokuwa wakishabikia tu ndo watajuta zaidi maana itakuwa ule usemi wa "Got till its gone" utakuwa una wa hunt.Pia wale ambao wananufaika directly,watajuta again kwasababu historia ya nchi hiyo inajulikana.Hata kama Gaddafi akishindwa,there will be another revolution because the current revolution is not the revolution of Libyan People,ni wahuni wa baadhi ya sehemu kama Benghazi nk wanaopewa sapoti kubwa na west pamoja na maadui wengine wa Libya wa ndani na nje ya nchi hiyo....Wale wa ndani ni ambao pengine wameasi wakitegemea kufaidika zaidi pamoja na more power,ambao wanataka kutake advantage of what has been going on in the neighboring countries like Egypt and Tunisia...True revolution of Libyan People iliongozwa na Gaddafi.Hii ya sasa ni revolution ya maslahi ya west na si maslahi ya the people of Libya.
Pia ni wazi kuna ambao familia zao zina connect ama maybe kabila moja na hao rebels.
Upuuzi wa tamaa,sasa wanataka hayo mafuta yanufaishe familia kadhaa tu na maybe koo kadhaa,it will be cheaper for the invaders to split it up,and benefit from it....ofcourse plus cost minimization.
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Mkuu wewe si mgeni any more humu JF.
Nimesema "wengi wetu humu" wamegawanyika kidini pale inapokuja kwenye mjadala unaohusiana na uvamizi wa Libya.
Na kwasababu wewe si mgeni sana,basi nilitegemea una experience ya kufuatilia mijadala na kuwasoma wachangiaji wa mijadala hiyo.
Kama kwenye jamii yetu bongo watu waislam wanaandamana for Libya,kuna tofauti gani na jamii yetu hapa?Ni wazi pro Gaddafi "Wengi wao" ni waislam,na wasiompenda ni wakristo,again "wengi wao"
Sikujua kama nilihitaji kuexplain all of this.
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Turkey proposes roadmap for peace in Libya
AP A Libyan rebel, left, looks through his binoculars as his fellow
By SELCAN HACAOGLU, Associated Press Selcan Hacaoglu, Associated Press
ANKARA, Turkey Turkey's prime minister proposed a roadmap for peace in Libya on Thursday, urging forces aligned with Moammar Gadhafi to withdraw from besieged cities, the establishment of humanitarian aid corridors and comprehensive democratic change.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the measures would be discussed at a meeting by a group set up to guide the international intervention in Libya in Qatar next week. "Firstly, a real cease-fire must immediately be declared and Gadhafi's forces must lift the siege of some cities and withdraw," Erdogan told a televised news conference. "Secondly, humanitarian aid corridors must be set up to provide aid to all Libyans and thirdly, a comprehensive democratic change process should be started." Erdogan said "solid steps must immediately be taken toward a constitutional political change process," following a real cease-fire.
Turkey initially balked at the idea of military action in Libya, but is now taking part in the enforcement of a no-fly zone to shield civilians and has volunteered to lead humanitarian aid efforts.
Erdogan urged the Libyan administration to "shoulder a historical responsibility and open the way for democratic process." He said "an end to the bloodshed" and preserving Libya's territorial integrity "particularly depends on the attitude of the Libyan administration."
-Associated Press
AP A Libyan rebel, left, looks through his binoculars as his fellow
By SELCAN HACAOGLU, Associated Press Selcan Hacaoglu, Associated Press
ANKARA, Turkey Turkey's prime minister proposed a roadmap for peace in Libya on Thursday, urging forces aligned with Moammar Gadhafi to withdraw from besieged cities, the establishment of humanitarian aid corridors and comprehensive democratic change.
Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the measures would be discussed at a meeting by a group set up to guide the international intervention in Libya in Qatar next week. "Firstly, a real cease-fire must immediately be declared and Gadhafi's forces must lift the siege of some cities and withdraw," Erdogan told a televised news conference. "Secondly, humanitarian aid corridors must be set up to provide aid to all Libyans and thirdly, a comprehensive democratic change process should be started." Erdogan said "solid steps must immediately be taken toward a constitutional political change process," following a real cease-fire.
Turkey initially balked at the idea of military action in Libya, but is now taking part in the enforcement of a no-fly zone to shield civilians and has volunteered to lead humanitarian aid efforts.
Erdogan urged the Libyan administration to "shoulder a historical responsibility and open the way for democratic process." He said "an end to the bloodshed" and preserving Libya's territorial integrity "particularly depends on the attitude of the Libyan administration."
-Associated Press
jmushi1
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Bado wanajuta,na ni kwasababu tu hawatangazi,ila huko mambo pia ni mbaya sana,yani wale Sunni alikotoka Saddam ni kama wamekusanya nguvu upya,hawatakubali kushindwa,na hivi marekani wanaondoka,basi ni balaa tu,hata hivyo ndiyo situation wanayoitaka,wakati wakiuwana,wao wananyonya tu wese.
Na pia ni kwasababu hawatangazi,Mmarekani hawezi ku afford vita ya libya kwasababu vita alizonazo tayari zinawalemea.Obama alisema wazi kuwa they dont want another Iraki.Watu hawasikilizi hotuba kwa makini na kuread btn the lines.Obama alisema "To be blunt" We can not afford another Iraqi.
Kwa hiyo wale waliodhani kuwa US watashusha troops ili wa occupy Libya,walitakiwa wajue mapema.Halafu mmarekani pia anategewa sana na hao wa Europe ili wajiingize kicha kichwa tena na kutake all responsibilites za vita hii kama alivyofanya Iraki na Afghanistan....Mmarekani amegundua janja yao kina Sarkozy na amewaachia wa europe nao waingine gharama,maana vita kama usiposhinda basi inaweza kuuangusha uchumi wako.
Mfano tunajuwa wazi kabisa Mrusi aliangushwa na kina Bin Laden na Afghanistan.
A prolonged and a costly war has its own consequences, kama historia inavyodhihirisha,and it can take a big nation down,US wanajua kabisa hao wa europe nao sasa wako kwenye a prolonged war huko Libya,wanataka iwe hivyo ndio maana wamewaacha huko...Sasa wanategeana hao maana some in Europe wanataka marekani iendelee ku strech thin na marekani nao wanataka the same for Europe....Hao kina Sarkozy siyo watu wazuri hao,ngoja tuone watafanyaje sasa hapo Libya.
Ndiyo maana naamini kuwa democracy is not a panacea to governance problems in this world. Alafu huwezi ukawa na equation moja kwenye varied society ya dunia hii eti kuleta results zinazofanana bila kuangalia context. Although democracy is necessary its not sufficient to bring about welfare. Kama democracy haitakiwi kuwa guided UN kusingekuwa na kura ya veto; maadam ipo then tuelewe democracy ina limits zake and one amongst ni kwa context ya Libya. Umeeleza kwa ufasaha kabisa ubinafsi wa hao rebel wa libya kwa taifa lao hakika hao ni waovu wasiopaswa kuungwa mkono na binadamu yeyote aliye na morals. Mfano wa democracy ya uovu ni kama hii ya nchi yetu ya kubadilisha watu/labels huku mfumo unaotawala ni waki dictator. Huu ulifaa wakati wa Nyerere ili kuleta unit amongst us sasa wasaliti wengine hata baada ya unit kupatikana wana utumia kuleta division at their selfish motives. Binadamu tofauti na mnyama ana personality pale anaposhindwa ku learn mazingira yanayomtawala na kuishi kwakukariri ujue ameutoa utu wake na kubakia hana tofauti na mnyama.
Mkuu.
Tuombe NATO na US waje kwetu pia watuletee demokrasia...au wewe hujaichoka CCM, miaka mingapi ipo madarakani sasa?
Well, tuano uhuru wa kuropoka kwenye net na magazetini lakini sio hadharani.si unaona Mtikila kwa kuropoka kwake kila leo anafunguliwa kesi za uchochezi?
Si unasikia wengine wanaposema ukweli wanaambiwa wanahatarisha amani ya nchi ?
Una ushauri gani? tuwaite au tuwaache tu CCM waendelee kutuletea "maisha bora" kwa kila mtanzania?
Libya war reaching stalemate, Washington says
AJDABIYAH, Libya (Reuters) - Libya's civil war is reaching stalemate, a senior U.S. general said on Thursday, and rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi said a NATO air strike killed five of their fighters.
Wounded rebels being brought to a hospital in Ajdabiyah in rebel-held east Libya said they were hit by a NATO strike on their trucks and tanks outside the contested port of Brega.
NATO said it was investigating an attack by its aircraft on a tank column in the area on Thursday.
General Carter Ham, head of U.S. Africa command, told a Senate hearing Washington should not provide arms to the rebels without a better idea of who they were.
Asked if there was an emerging stalemate, he replied: "I would agree with that at present, on the ground."
Libya war reaching stalemate, Washington says | Top News | Reuters
AJDABIYAH, Libya (Reuters) - Libya's civil war is reaching stalemate, a senior U.S. general said on Thursday, and rebels fighting to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi said a NATO air strike killed five of their fighters.
Wounded rebels being brought to a hospital in Ajdabiyah in rebel-held east Libya said they were hit by a NATO strike on their trucks and tanks outside the contested port of Brega.
NATO said it was investigating an attack by its aircraft on a tank column in the area on Thursday.
General Carter Ham, head of U.S. Africa command, told a Senate hearing Washington should not provide arms to the rebels without a better idea of who they were.
Asked if there was an emerging stalemate, he replied: "I would agree with that at present, on the ground."
Libya war reaching stalemate, Washington says | Top News | Reuters
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Mkuu nashangaa kwanini hao walibya hawajiulizi?Ni revolution gani hiyo inayowapa nguvu wakoloni mliowaondoa on the first revolution?Mtaliani si walimfukuza?Wananchi wa Libya hata kama walikuwa hawampendi Gaddafi lakini ni wasaliti na they did himi wrong.Jamaa siyo perferct lakini si sapoti huu upuuzi.
Mimi nashangazwa ni wananchi gani hao wamefanya huu ujinga.Mostly naamini ni wahuni tu kama Gaddafi alivyosema,kama ingekuwa ni wananchi Gaddafi asingekuwa in power this time.