Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Mohamed Said,

..mimi sina tatizo unaposema hakuna Wakristo ktk jamii za Wangazija,Warufiji, Wamanyema, etc etc.

..lakini, unaposema "Alhamdulilah sijawahi kukutana na Mmanyema ambaye ni Mkristo" inaashiria kwamba una tendency za kibaguzi na chuki dhidi ya Wakristo.
 
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JK,

Alhamdulilah ni kushukuru.

Uislam unakataza ubaguzi na kuwabughudhi wasiokuwa
Waislam midam hawawadhuru Waislam.

Nikifanya kinyume ya hivyo itakuwa nimekwenda kinyume
cha mafunzo ya Allah na Mtume Wake SAW.

Jitahidi lau kwa uchache uujue Uislam utanielewa.
 
Mohamed Said,

..sasa unaposhukuru kwamba hujawahi kukutana na Mmanyema Mkristo, maana yake ni nini?

..unajua mnasema vitu vibaya, halafu tukiwahoji mnakimbilia kwenye kinga ya mafundisho ya Uislamu.

..mimi sihoji Uislamu, mimi nahoji hii kauli yako, "Alhamdulilah sijawahi kukutana na Mmanyema Mkristo."

..kwa tafsiri yangu ni kwamba wewe unadhani Mmanyema kuwa Mkristo ni kitu kibaya hivyo unamshukuru Mwenyezi Mungu kwa kuepusha jambo hilo.

..Uislamu, Ukristo, pamoja na imani nyingine nyingi zinasisitiza amani, lakini Waislamu, Wakristo, etc hawazingatii mafundisho hayo na ndiyo chanzo cha mifarakano.
 
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Mohamed Said said:
JK,

Ikiwa wewe unaona hilo ni tusi ni bahati mbaya.

Kwa hakika kama unavyoona Warufiji, Wangazija
huwezi kupata Mkristo katika Wamanyema.

Huu ni ukweli wala si kitu mimi nione aibu kukisema.
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To be a muslim is a big deal uh?!?!
And to be a christian is...
Alhamdullilah hakuna mmanyema mkristo.
Mohamed Said
kutokuwaona wamanyema wakristo dar es salaam haina maana kuwa hawapo. Pamoja na kwamba wewe ni mmanyema lakini mtazamo wako hauna tofauti na wanaofikiri kuwa waarabu wote ni waislam na wazungu wote ni wakristo.

Na mimi nasema alhamdullilah nimeiona familia nzima ya kimanyema imebadili dini na kuwa wakristo tena walokole. Na familia nzima ilibadilishwa na binti yao aliyeolewa na mlokole, wakaanza kubadilika mmoja mmoja.
Of course kwa vile Moh Said umesema hakuna mmanyema mkristo, inawezekana wakibadili dini na "ummanyema" unawatoka ili kuendeleza mtazamo wako "ulio sahihi" ?!?!
 
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JK,

Nimekueleza kuwa Alhamdulilah ni kushukuru.
Haina uhusiano wowote na chuki.

Chuki ni kinyume na mafunzo ya Uislam.
Narudia tena.

Jifunze Uislam lau kwa uchache upate kujua.
 
Mohamed Said said:
JK,

Ikiwa wewe unaona hilo ni tusi ni bahati mbaya.

Kwa hakika kama unavyoona Warufiji, Wangazija
huwezi kupata Mkristo katika Wamanyema.

Huu ni ukweli wala si kitu mimi nione aibu kukisema.
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duh! mkuu huu ni uongo uliotukuka, labda sema wewe hujawahi kuona lakini usiseme huwezi kupata, kwa taarifa yako warufiji wakristo wapo, wangazija ndo usiseme, tena wangazija wapo hadi Tanga (hapo simsemi willium mngazija wa ITV), wamanyema wamejaa tele wakristo, washirazi wapo tele, sasa kama wewe unaenda kuwatafutia huko msikitini sahau kuwaona.
 
JokaKuu;5781993]Barubaru,
..lakini Mohamed Said naye amerudia makosa ya "historia iliyoandikwa Kivukoni", na kuongeza mengine ya kwake
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Kwamba naye amegeuka upande wa pili na kuficha historia. Kama Sykes alisahaulika kwa kuonewa kwanini isiwe Cecil Matola
..kwa mtizamo wangu, kosa la kwanza la Mohamed ni kuandika historia as if harakati za uhuru zilianzia na kumalizikia na jamaa wa Gerezani
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Na kuumanisha umma kuwa bila wazee wa kidongo chekundu na Tandamti Tanganyika haikuwepo
..kosa la pili, ni juhudi zake za kudunisha michango wa wa-Tanganyika wengine, hususan, Baba wa Taifa Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere
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Tena kwa kumsingizia mambo mengi pasi na ushahidi wa kutosha. Kumdhalilisha kama vile kwenda sokoni bila kujua bidhaa zinauzwa, kusoma hotuba bila kujua kilichoandikwa n.k. Kumchonganisha na wazee wake ambao wengi walikuwa wema sana na walimuamini Nyerere kama kiongozi wao.
Kuficha ukweli kuhusu Nyerere kama vile kuingia katika siasa, safari yake kwenda UN, kuingia Dar es Salaam na kutokuwa rais wa kwanza wa TANU
..kuna kipindi wananchi wa Usukumani ndiyo walikuwa wachangiaji wakubwa wa chama cha Tanu. Sasa nani alikipeleka chama Usukumani? Nini kilisababisha Tanu ikawa maarufu Usukumani?
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Kwamba huko chama kilisambaa kwa simu kutoka makao makuu Dar es Salaam. Amesahau kuwa upinzani dhidi ya ukoloni ulianza mikoani siku nyingi bila uwepo wa wazee wetu. Nani alitoka Mchikichi kwenda kuendesha mapambano ya wapare wakati wa Mbiru Abdul Sykes kwa maneno yake alisema''Lengo lilikuwa kumkomboa Mwafrika''. Ndio maana walimchagua Nyerere kuongoza chama hata pale Sykes na wazee wengine walipokuwepo. Ndio maana waliikataa AMNUT ukiwa ushahidi wa kutosha kuwa ukombozi haukulenga dini bali Mtanganyika Nadhani ameficha ukweli. Leo tunajua walikuwepo Maryknoll, leo twajua alikuwepo Ali Ramadhani, Cecil Matola ambao role yao kwa makusudi imefanywa trivial ili kukidhi haja na kusudio la kitabu. Leo twajua David Kidaha Makwai ali ritadi habari ambazo Mohamed alizijua lakini akazifunika chini ya kapeti Bila shaka waandishi wametusoma vyakutosha, wameona hoja madhubuti, hoja rojo rojo, hoja za kupikwa na kukaanga.Wameona wapi hoja zinaposhindwa kusimama zenyewe na wapi zinaposimamishwa kwa milingoti.
 

JK,

Uislam ni nema na ndiyo maana nashukuru.

Wala siwezi kuona aibu kukwambia maneno
haya.

Mimi nakutamania na wewe nema hii uipate.

Hii ndiyo maana yangu ya kusema Alhamdulilah
kuwa watu wa kabila langu wanayo hii nema.
 

N,

Sina tatizo na jinsi ulivyokichukulia kitabu changu.

Kitabu ndiyo hicho kipo na kitakuwepo kwa miaka
mingi kikisomwa Insha Allah.

Sina cha kuongeza zaidi ya kusema azma yangu
ilikuwa kueleza yale yaliyofunikwa.
 

Z,

Kama umemuona Shamte Mbonde, Mdahoma Mkristo mimi
nani nikukatalie?
 

N,

Unaniuliza kuwa Muislam is a big deal...
Yes it is.

Hayo mengine sina haja ya kuyagusa.
 

Ritz,

Ona hii hapa chini:

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[TD="width: 601"] In the Lake Province in 1950s Mwanza was the most active TAA branch. Its leaders, a Manyema poet, Saadani Abdu Kandoro and Bhoke Munanka were in the black books of the colonial administration.

Kandoro and Munanka were trying to give support to Ali Migeyo who single handedly was trying to establish TAA branches around Bukoba. [1]
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[TD="width: 601"] In Bukoba Migeyo, a senior politician then fifty-three years old, was single-handedly trying to establish TAA branches in West Lake Province.

He was once attacked with three tear gas canisters by the police at Kamachumu while addressing a public meeting campaigning for TAA.

Migeyo was a fiery orator who could easily arose the passions of his audience.

On that fateful day he was in Kamachumu preparing the groundwork for TANU and addressing the people, when the police came to disperse the crowd.

Tear gas canisters were fired at the crowd and Migeyo was arrested.

The colonial government tactically opened charges against Migeyo as an individual, not jointly charging him with TAA. Iliffe has captured the mood in the Lake Province:

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[TD="width: 601"] ''The danger-at the height of Mau Mau-was that the unsophisticated militants of the Lake Province might provoke disorder and thereby either break TAA’s unity-carrying out a ‘green revolution’ against established political leaders such as happened in Kenya, Senegal, and Sierra Leone-or embroil TAA in open confrontation with government, thereby enormously complicating the nationalist task.'' [2]

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[TD="width: 601"] Dr Lugazia, hailing from Bukoba, had taken special interest to see that his home area was represented at the TANU founding conference.

Dr Lugazia therefore took the initiative to send the draft constitution to TAA Bukoba branch.

After the arrest of Migeyo, TAA in Bukoba was as good as dead.

Nothing could rekindle the fire left behind by him.

An important letter of invitation to Bukoba written by Dr Lugazia, enclosing the TANU constitution to be tabled at the forthcoming delegates conference in Dar es Salaam, did not receive any attention.

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[TD="width: 601"] Felix Muganda reflecting the problem in Bukoba wrote to Nyerere to appraise him of the situation: ‘I have called the whole executive leadership of the Buhaya to raise their morale so that they don’t despair as a result of what has happened to Migeyo.’ [3]

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[TD="width: 601"] The TAA leadership at the headquarters saw Migeyo’s arrest as direct intimidation and harassment of its leaders, given the fact that the people had assembled peacefully for the meeting.

The incident was a clear message from Governor Twining that the government was not ready to accept mass mobilisation of the people against the state.

Abdulwahid got in touch with Seaton to represent Migeyo who was standing trial on criminal charges in Bukoba.

The TAA Meru Land Case Commitee which was touring the Lake Province at that time went to Bukoba to make on the spot assessment of the Kamachumu incident.

Soon after, Abdulwahid, Nyerere and Rupia visited Migeyo’s home village Bugandika in April, 1954.[4]

On 14 th April, 1954 Migeyo was imprisoned for three years for holding a meeting without permit from the District Officer.

When TANU was founded on 7 th July, 1954, Migeyo was at the notorious Butimba Prison in Mwanza serving his sentence. [5]
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[1] See G. Mutahaba, Portrait of a Nationalist: The Life of Ali Migeyo, East African Publishing House, 1969, p. 21.
[2] Iliffe, A Modern History...p. 510.

[3] Felix Muganda to Julius Nyerere, 18 th August, 1954, TANU 10 CCM Archives.
[4] Mutahaba, ibid. p. 21.

 

Mohamed Said,

They is no distance that has no end.
 
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Ritz said:
Mohamed Said,

Tupe habari za TAGSA.
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Ritz,

Katibu anazungumza katika ''Under the Shadow of British Colonialism.'':

Agitating for Change

Dar es Salaam, Tanganyika 1951

When I returned home in April 1948 the Labour Department employed me as an employment clerk the following month and I applied for member of Tanganyika African Government Servants Association (TAGSA) in December 1948.

I had been away from Dar es Salaam for six years.

When I left home in 1942 I was a mere kid.

But after my army experience in Burma and my stay in Nairobi I saw myself as a grown up and therefore capable of looking at my own affairs.

It was not difficult to get employment because as an ex-servicemen my absorption into the civil service was taken as continuation of service.

I was put under the supervision of a colonial officer, G.A. Bennet. I never got on well with Bennet for obvious reasons.

The labour office was at Magogoni and I was living with my father at Kipata Street.

It was while serving in the Labour Department that I was in 1951 elected General Secretary as well as TAGSA representative in the Government Establishment Committee.

TAGSA was formed in 1927.

Its objectives were to promote understanding between Her Majesty's Government and its African Servants in order to improve Her Majesty's Service and promotion of interest and welfare of the African Government employees.

Europeans and Asians had their own associations with similar objectives but being privileged their associations were not as active as ours.

The 1951 TAGSA election elected Thomas Marealle (later to become Paramount Chief of the Chagga) as President and Rashid Kawawa later to become Vice-President of Tanganyika, committee member.

The constitution of TAGSA provided for annual elections.

I was returned to office as secretary four times until October 1954 when I had to resign after being transferred to Korogwe.

This record was unprecedented.

I was the only secretary under TAGSA since its inception in 1927 to have been returned to the post in each election four times.

I would have been returned again and again if it were not for the transfer, which was my punishment for being among the 17 founder members of TANU.

My father had written in his memoirs that it was the government policy that as soon as a civil servant was elected into an office in African Association he would be immediately transferred up country.

For example in 1940 Njilima was elected President and was transferred to Tanga, while his secretary, Nicolas, was transferred to Moshi and Ndesario, the Assistant Secretary, was transferred to Lindi.

The presidency always changed hands.

Stephen Mhando and Dr. Wilbard Mwanjisi were at different times elected presidents.

Among active members of TAGSA were Dr. Michael Lugazia and Rashid Kawawa both of them came to play very significant roles in the struggle for independence.
 

Mohamed Said,

Pamoja na kukupinga lakini wanasoma na kujifunza kupitia kwako una vitu vingi sana endelea kushusha vitu.
 
Haya maneno ni ya Abdulwahid Sykes?

I would have been returned again and again if it were not for the transfer, which was my punishment for being among the 17 founder members of TANU.
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Kama ni ya kwake basi mjadala umekwisha kuhusu nani aliasisi TANU.
 
Ritz said:
Mohamed Said,

Pamoja na kukupinga lakini wanasoma na kujifunza kupitia kwako una vitu vingi sana endelea kushusha vitu.
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Ritz,

Hawa wazee walifanya kazi kubwa kuikomboa Tanganyika.
Hiyo hapo ni 1951.

Sasa ndugu zetu wao wameshikilia tu historia ianze na Nyerere
1954 na TANU hiyo TANU wenye TANU yao wasitajwe.

Itawezekana vipi?
 
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