Ndugu yangu gombesugu, sijui ulitaka kusema nini hapo nilipo weka red!Kama ulighadhibishwa na matusi ya Gwalihenzi na ukaomba jamii hapa JF iyakemee basi na upande wa pili yaani matusi ya Zali la Mentali yalipaswa kukemewa na wewe muungwana. Ajabu ulikaa kimya kana kwamba hukuyaona! hapo ndipo unaposhangaza!Maulaga,
Naomba uonyeshe hapa hadhwaran,pahala gani nilipompa LIKE huyo "mtukanaji". Au umechanganya yale majibizano ya kisiasa na hoja dhidi ya Nyerere na matusi!?
Tafadhali,mimi niko karibu mno na huyo Nyerere kuliko unavyofikiri na namtetea huku nje na kumlindia hishma yake kila kukicha kwa niyajuayo mema alofanza na nilikua nakubaliana nae. Kuna vitu mambo mengine/facts nijuazo sitaweza asilan kuyaweka hapa jamvini hata iweje. Kama vile asemavyo Sheikh Mohammed,yakuwa hawa ni Wazee wetu na wajibu wetu kuwastiri.
Kipata fursa kiduchu pitia bayana zangu za awali kwa Ihsan yako ndugu yangu Maulaga.
Kwa kifupi kwa hapa jamvini,zaidi ya huyo Jasusi labda na Andrew Nyerere ambae sijamuona kuchangia tangia nimefika hapa;basi hakuna mwengine ambae anaweza kunishinda kwa kumjua na ukaribu nilokua nae huyo Nyerere wako.
Hicho ni kwa kifupi tu ndugu yangu,na nimependa mno jinsi ulivyonikanya nami natumai utafurahia majibu yangu kwako.
Ahsanta na tuendelee nam mnakasha.
Ndugu yangu gombesugu, sijui ulitaka kusema nini hapo nilipo weka red!Kama ulighadhibishwa na matusi ya Gwalihenzi na ukaomba jamii hapa JF iyakemee basi na upande wa pili yaani matusi ya Zali la Mentali yalipaswa kukemewa na wewe muungwana. Ajabu ulikaa kimya kana kwamba hukuyaona! hapo ndipo unaposhangaza!
Ndugu yangu gombesugu, sijui ulitaka kusema nini hapo nilipo weka red!Kama ulighadhibishwa na matusi ya Gwalihenzi na ukaomba jamii hapa JF iyakemee basi na upande wa pili yaani matusi ya Zali la Mentali yalipaswa kukemewa na wewe muungwana. Ajabu ulikaa kimya kana kwamba hukuyaona! hapo ndipo unaposhangaza!
Matusi ni matusi tu, yanatakiwa kukemewa bila kujali anayetukanwa ni nani! sasa unapoona Mohamed anatukanwa ukaumia lakini Nyerere akitukanwa unapongeza hapo kuna hitilafu! Tuwe wakweli na kweli itatuweka huru.Nadhani hata wewe ni muungwana ulipaswa kukemea matusi aliyokuwa anatukwanwa Mohamed Said, na wanaukumbi wengine lakini ulikaa kimya bila kuonyesha chochote.
Au mwenye jukumu la kukemea matusi jamvini ni Sharrif gombesugu, tu.
Tuendelee kusemezana kwa lugha ya ushui Inshaaalah.
Yericko,
Huna moja ulijualo katika historia ya TANU.
Nakuwekea hapa mambo yalivyokuwa Lindi usiku wa kushusha bendera ya Waingereza na
kupandisha bendera ya Tanganyika huru 9 December 1961:
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[TD] [FONT=&]But the two most remarkable occasions in Nyereres second trip to the south were firstly the tawaswil performed on Nyerere by Sheikh Yusuf Badi himself with a few selected Muslims and sheikhs in attendance; [FONT=&][1][/FONT] the second was the karam (Muslim lunch) hosted by Mussa Athman Lukundu the head foreman of Dockworkers Union in Lindi in his honour.
This was a great honour shown to Nyerere; it is the highest expression of love and respect any Muslim can show to a non-Muslim.
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[TD="width: 601"] [FONT=&]The finest hour for Lindi was the Independence Day, 9 th December, 1961.
Sheikh Badi, the poet was asked by TANU to write the independence speech to be delivered by Yusuf Chembera before the colonial District Commissioner as the representative of the outgoing British administration.
The speech was dictated by Sheikh Badi and was written in Arabic script by Chembera.
As a young boy Chembera was sent to Sheikh Yusuf Badi by his father to study Islamics and was under his tutorship until when he completed his studies.
Sheikh Badi did not find any speech written by a mortal worth the occasion.
Sheikh Badi dictated to his former student the dua kunut (prayer) which is recited by Muslims in every fajir (morning) prayer.
Midnight on the 9 th December, 1961 was a great moment for both teacher and student, as the people assembled at the golf course heard Chembera reciting the famous dua.
But soon after independence, the educated Christians began to undermine what they perceived as uneducated Muslim leadership in TANU.
Suleiman Masudi Mnonji was detained under the Preventive Detention Act of 1962 for mixing religion and politics, and other veterans were thrown out of leadership positions. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&][FONT=&][1][/FONT][/FONT][FONT=&] Tawaswil is a special prayer conducted privately in which Allah's mercy and help is sought
and invoked through references to good deeds of the prophets and walii (saints) in the Muslim
history.
Kutoka ''The Life and Times of Abdulwahid Sykes...''
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Matusi ni matusi tu, yanatakiwa kukemewa bila kujali anayetukanwa ni nani! sasa unapoona Mohamed anatukanwa ukaumia lakini Nyerere akitukanwa unapongeza hapo kuna hitilafu! Tuwe wakweli na kweli itatuweka huru.
Mag3,JokaKuu, huyo gombesugu ni mtu wa ajabu sana; katika posti yake ya kwanza alisema hivi, nanukuu;
Nilimstahi sana gombesugu nilipomezea upotoshaji mkubwa ailoufanya hapo juu; amechanganya ama kwa makusudi au kwa kutojua chaguzi mbili zilizofanyika Zanzibar...ule wa mwaka 1961 na ule wa 1963. Kama amefanya kwa kutojua namsamehe lakini kama kafanya kwa mtindo ule ule wa mwalimu wake wa darsa, simwachi ng'o...kama nilivyowahi kusema, uongo ukiachwa na kurudiwa rudiwa mwishowe huwanasa wasiofanya jitihada za kuhoji na hapo ndipo mimi huamua kuliita koleo kwa jina lake.
Hapa chini narudia matokeo ya chaguzi zote mbili...katika uchaguzi wa mwaka 1961 ZPPP na ZNP zilikubaliana kuachiana nafasi wakati huo Abdulrahman Babu akiwa bado ni mwanachama wa ZPPP. Matokeo ya uchaguzi huo ni kama inavyooneana hapa chini;
Uchaguzi wa mwaka 1961
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[TD="width: 78"][/TD]45,172
[TD="width: 84"][/TD]50.6%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]10
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[TD="width: 79"]ZPPP[/TD]ZNP
[TD="width: 78"]31,681[/TD]12,411
[TD="width: 84"]35.3%[/TD]13.9%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]13
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Kuhama kwa Abdulrahman Babu na kuanzisha chama cha UMMA Party kulileta athari kubwa kwa chama ZPPP kwani kwenye uchaguzi wa mwaka 1963, UMMA Party waliiunga mkono ASP ingawa nayo ZNP iliweza kufaidika japo kidogo kama inavyoonekana hapa chini; (to tell the truth ZNP wa arab-dominated)
Uchaguzi wa mwaka 1963
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[TD="width: 84"][/TD]54.21%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]13
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[TD="width: 78"][/TD]47,950
[TD="width: 84"][/TD]29.85%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]12
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[TD="width: 79"][/TD]ZPPP
[TD="width: 78"][/TD]25,609
[TD="width: 84"][/TD]15.84%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]6
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Sasa shuhudieni hivi viroja; inakuwaje ASP ipate kura 87,085 lakini iambulie viti 13 huku ZNP iliyopata kura 47,950 ikizoa viti 12? Hizi ndizo kura eti zilizompa Sultani uhalali wa kuendelea kuvikalia kimabavu visiwa vya Zanzibar! Hizi kura zina tofauti gani na zile za Kaburu Voster wa Afrika Kusini au mlowezi Ian Smith wa Rhodesia? Yaani kura moja ya mwarabu ni sawa na kura mbili za mwafrika!
JokaKuu, mwambie Al Akhiy gombesugu kwamba madhila waliyofanyiwa ndugu zake hayafikii yale waliyofanyiwa waafrika wa Zanzibar chini ya wakoloni kutoka Oman kwa karne nenda rudi. Wakati akitafakari la kufanya mpe pia info kwamba si wote wanaompinga Mohamed Said ni Wakristo ama wana Chadema, ni kwamba tu adui wa adui yako mwombee heri; kwangu hakuna adui wa hili taifa langu ninalolipenda zaidi ya CCM.
Tofauti na maoni ya wengi mimi napendekeza Dr. Slaa aongezewe mshahara; huo wa milioni saba kama ni kweli hautoshi kwani haulingani na kazi anayoifanya. Gharama ya elimu hata kama itadaiwa ni ghali haiwezi kufikia gharama ya ujinga! Elimu anayoitoa Dr. Slaa kwa Watanzania haina bei...hebu fikirieni siku Watanzania wote kwa ujumla wao baada ya elimu kuwaingia wanaamua kuipa likizo CCM, chama cha mafisadi, chama cha wezi, chama cha walafi, chama cha wauaji...fikirieni mali zitakazookelewa, tembo watakaookolewa, maisha yatakayookolewa, huduma mbalimbali zitakavyoboreshwa!...do I need to go on? really?
Mshahara anaolipwa Dr. Slaa hautoshi!
Hapa kama kawaida yako baada ya kuchakachuwa na kuficha source ya majedwali yako hili utimize lengo lako la kuwadanganya wanaukumbi wanaofutilia huu mnakasha basi mie kwa faida ya wanaukumbi nawawekea ulipoyatoa hayo majedwali kisha ukayachakachuwa haya hapa chini.Uchaguzi wa mwaka 1963
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[TD="width: 84"][/TD]54.21%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]13
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[TD="width: 78"][/TD]47,950
[TD="width: 84"][/TD]29.85%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]12
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[TD="width: 79"][/TD]ZPPP
[TD="width: 78"][/TD]25,609
[TD="width: 84"][/TD]15.84%
[TD="width: 54"][/TD]6
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Sasa shuhudieni hivi viroja; inakuwaje ASP ipate kura 87,085 lakini iambulie viti 13 huku ZNP iliyopata kura 47,950 ikizoa viti 12? Hizi ndizo kura eti zilizompa Sultani uhalali wa kuendelea kuvikalia kimabavu visiwa vya Zanzibar! Hizi kura zina tofauti gani na zile za Kaburu Voster wa Afrika Kusini au mlowezi Ian Smith wa Rhodesia? Yaani kura moja ya mwarabu ni sawa na kura mbili za mwafrika!
Kwa faida ya wanaukumbi tufahimishe uafrika ni nini? hapa chini huyu anayewapa cheki viongozi wa Chadema ni mwafrika au muhindi?madhila waliyofanyiwa ndugu zake hayafikii yale waliyofanyiwa waafrika wa Zanzibar chini ya wakoloni kutoka Oman kwa karne nenda rudi.
Mzee MS; Sina budi kuuliza. Haya hapa juu ni maelezo mazuri sana ya kilichotokea. Mimi nikisoma ni kuwa wazee hawa wa Lindi walimfanyia Nyerere mpaka ibada ya kiislamu kwa vile WAZEE hawa walikuwa ni waislamu. Naamini kama angealikwa na Makalasinga wanaounga mkono TANU pia wangeendesha masuala haya kama wenzao waislamu kule Lindi. Sasa nakusihi kuwa CREDIT pia mpe na mpokeaji (NYERERE)kwa ule uelewa na TOLERANCE YA DINI ZA WENZAKE KUWA HAIKUMPA SHIDA YEYE KAMA MKATOLIKI KUCHANGANYIKA NA WATANGANYIKA WENZIE WAISLAMU, WAKIRISTO, WAHINDU HATUJUI NA DINI ZIPI TENA KUFANYIWA KARAMU, KULA NAO, NA HATA DUA ZAO. Mimi naliona taifa lilikuwa na mwelekeo wa kuvumiliana tangu wakati huo. Au sijaelewa agenda???
Shekh Mohamed,
Nini mchango wa Abdurahmani Babu ktk uhuru wa Zanzibar? kwanini Babu alitupwa jela? historia ya Zanzibar ni ndefu naomba ukipata wasaa tujulishe!
Wickama,
Hilo ulisemalo la Nyerere wala halina ubishi hata kidogo.
Labda la kujiuliza.
Wakatoliki wa Peramiho walikuwa wapi wakati akina Sheikh
Badi wanapambana na Mwingereza?
Nadhani agenda sasa iko hadhir.
Wickama,
Hilo ulisemalo la Nyerere wala halina ubishi hata kidogo.
Labda la kujiuliza.
Wakatoliki wa Peramiho walikuwa wapi wakati akina Sheikh
Badi wanapambana na Mwingereza?
Nadhani agenda sasa iko hadhir.
Ok I get your point. Will you blame catholics for the defeat that Abdulwahid Sykes suffered at the hands of Nyerere at Arnatoglu Hall as well?
Gombesugu nami nakuamkua huko ughaibuni ulipo. Je, kulikoni?Muheshimiwa Mag3,
Tatizo ni yakuwa tuna mitazamo tafauti,ambalo pia ni jambo jema sana khasa kitaaluma.
Lakini tatizo jingine linipalo dhiki na madhila mengi,ni yakuwa nakuhisi wewe ndugu yangu Mag3 ni Mbaguzi wa rangi. Jambo ambalo ni hatari na khasara kwa Taifa letu changa.
Hayo majedwali yako hapo juu mimi binafsi na wewe ndugu yangu twajua yakuwa hizo informations/statistics ni fake na ni upotoshwaji wa Historia mkubwa mno!
Lakini napenda fursa kwa leo nirejee kiduchu kwenye huo ubaguzi wako wa rangi. Hivi Mag3 na wenzio woote hapa jamvini tangia lini mmeanza kuwa na Imani,huruma,majonzi,empathy,sympathy,sikitiko na labda pia kufikia kilio cha "ndugu zenu WaZanzibary Weusi"!? Halafu hizi definitions zenu za "Arabs","Africans","Bantu","Comorians" na mengineyo mengi,ndio mwanzo wa machochezi na kuhatarisha amani ya nchi.
Kuna baadhi ya Thread humu ndani nimeona ati huyo Mwanakijiji,amefikia hadi ya kujipa dhamana na authority ati ya kujua ni kiwango gani cha senti,hao WaZanzibary walipwe ili watolewe kwenye muungano!? Yaani imefikia huyo Mwanakijiji anajifanya yeye ni Fiscal Activist na kupangia Taifa/WaZanzibary kiasi gani cha senti wapewe ili waondoshe "gubu lao" kwa WaTanganyika!? Ama kweli hapa JF pana viroja vingi mno!
Ndo maana mimi binafsi,huwa nakuoneni yakuwa wengi wenu ni Wazandik tu. Yaani mnakuwa upande wa WaZanzibary pale tu inapo-suit matakwa na vigezo vyenu vya kibaguzi!? Sisi watu wa Madrassa hiyo tunaita Fitnatil Al Maaarifa.
Haya si ndo mambo mlokua mkimfanyia kebehi Sheikh Mohammed hapa jamvini,alipokua akitaja baadhi ya Makabila ya wenye mji/Wazee wetu hapo Mzizizma!?
Kama nilivywahi kunena hapo awali,haya majambo ya Race Issue ni very complex subject. Inalazim muwe waangalifu japo kiduchu,khasa mnapokua kwenye Public Forum kama hapa.
Mimi nina personal experience kutokana na family background yangu,kwa hiyo nazungumza kitu ninachokifahamu kwa undani na khatari zake kwenye Family au Taifa letu.
Kwa kumalizia napenda kama kipata fursa japo kiduchu,rejea baadhi ya bayana zangu za awali khasa ile niliyokua nikijadiliana na ndugu yangu Nyambala,na nilijaribu kuweka tahadhari kwa Taifa letu WaTanzania,kwa kutumia kigezo/mfano wa nchi ya Sudan.
Lazim leo ninene hapa barazani;yaani kuna wakti nafikira kama siku tukijaaliwa kukutana popote pale basi hata mimi pia waweza kuniona au kuniita yakuwa sio MTanzania/MTanganyika, khasa kutokana na hizo definitions zenu za urangi na Makabila. Jana nilikua nawasomea wanangu/wajukuu zako ambao ni viduchu mno khadith za kulalia/bed time reading. Basi ghafla nikakukumbuka wewe Babu yao Mag3,je utakubali kuwa wao nao pia ni WaAfrika/WaTanzania siku ukiwaona/wakija kukuamkua!?
Kaa chini kwa utuvu ufikirie haya majambo kwa kina...huna haja ya kujilazimisha kujibu kwa pupa na zogo. Tumia busara nyingi ulonazo kwa utaratibu na madhubuti.Insha Allah tuendelee na mnakasha,na nakutakia w'end njema.
Ahsnata.Cc;Ritz