Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Uchochezi wa Mohamed Said na dhihaka kwa Wapigania Uhuru wa Tanganyika na Zanzibar

Yericko Nyerere said:
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Wanaukumbi tovuti ya Baba wa Taifa ndiyo hii hapa chini. Ikiwa Bwana Yericko Nyerere anaikana hilo haliwezi kuwa jambo la sisi kubishana.

Nimeiweka hapa ili muione tu.
Mimi sikuichukulia kuwa ni ya ''mitaani'' jinsi ilivyosheheni maelezo ya kuaminika na kuhusisha taasisi kubwa nchini.
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[TD] Nyerere Centre for Peace Research (NCPR) was launched on 13th July, 2007 as an institution of the East African Community. The Centre was founded on the ideals of Mwalimu Julius Nyerere for Peace and Unity. The vision of the Nyerere Centre is to become a global centre of excellence for peace and conflict research while its mission is to build capacity in Conflict Prevention, Mitigation and Resolution (CPMR) through research and training. Its operational objectives include among others; promotion of peace and security as a means of enhancing regional integration and development; collaboration with like-minded local, regional and international organizations. The Centre endeavours to conduct research in themes related to Refugee and Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs), Conflict Early Warning Systems, Traditional Dispute and Conflict Resolution methods, Resource-based conflicts, Terrorism, as well as Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW). The Centre aims to provide short training courses in conflict analysis; post conflict reconstruction; negotiation; mediation; conciliation; facilitation; Demobilization, Disarmament and Reintegration (DDR); disaster response and humanitarian assistance; data management; counselling and research methods. Its strategic importance to the Community derives from the fact that regional entities are credible, cost effective and more efficient than individual institutions. As such, NCPR seeks to complement the vision, mission and objectives of the EAC. NCPR strategic framework entails a sustained outreach, networking, training, research and an internationalization programme.Operational objectives for NCPR 1. Promotion of peace and security as a means of enhancing regional integration and development 2. Collaboration with like-minded local, regional and international organizations 3. Conduct research in themes related to: * Refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) * Conflict early warning systems * Traditional dispute and conflict resolution methods * Resource-based conflicts * Terrorism and piracy threats * Proliferation of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) NCPR: The PresentKey among the Nyerere Centre's goals is the development of a strategic framework which envisages a sustained outreach, networking, training and an internationalization of NCPR as a centre of excellence. Through an operational Memorandum of Understanding with Arcadia University in the US, the centre is engaged in International Peace and Conflict Resolution (IPCR) programme. IPCR is designed to be a mutually benefitting programme involving: * Project-based student research programmes between EAC and Arcadia students * Student exchange training and programmes * Development of relevant research themes In July 2008, 19 students graduated in a human rights course, while 15 were enrolled in September 2008 for training and research on the Stability Assessment Framework (SAF) tool kit. The Centre held its maiden training workshop -- on Conflict Management and Peace Building in East Africa -- from 13-16 October 2008 at the East African Community (EAC) Headquarters, Arusha, Tanzania. The workshop brought together 30 middle-level technical, subject area experts and Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) officers dealing with Conflict Management and Peace Building initiatives in EAC Partner States. NCPR: The FutureTraining activities and plansThe Centre will in future provide short training courses in conflict analysis, post conflict reconstruction, negotiation, mediation, conciliation, facilitation, DDR, disaster response and humanitarian assistance, data management, counselling and research methods. QUICK FACTS ON NCPRManagementCoordinator: Lt Col. Peter ChegePhysical locationPrincess Margaret House(EAC complex - southern end - next to the Customs and Trade offices) [/TD]
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Jasusi said:
Mohamed,
Unajua na sote tunajua kwamba Mwalimu amefariki bila kuanzisha tovuti yake popote pale. Kwa hiyo unaposema tovuti ya baba wa taifa unamhusisha Mwalimu Nyerere moja kwa moja na yaliyomo katika tovuti hiyo. Nilidhani wewe ni mwana historia makini lakini kumbe unaweza kuyumbishwa na majungu?
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Ndugu yangu J.
Dunia hii ina wajanja wengi.
Soma hapo chini:

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[TD] Nyerere Centre for Peace Research (NCPR) was launched on 13th July, 2007 as an institution of the East African Community. The Centre was founded on the ideals of Mwalimu Julius Nyerere for Peace and Unity. The vision of the Nyerere Centre is to become a global centre of excellence for peace and conflict research while its mission is to build capacity in Conflict Prevention, Mitigation and Resolution (CPMR) through research and training. Its operational objectives include among others; promotion of peace and security as a means of enhancing regional integration and development; collaboration with like-minded local, regional and international organizations. The Centre endeavours to conduct research in themes related to Refugee and Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs), Conflict Early Warning Systems, Traditional Dispute and Conflict Resolution methods, Resource-based conflicts, Terrorism, as well as Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW). The Centre aims to provide short training courses in conflict analysis; post conflict reconstruction; negotiation; mediation; conciliation; facilitation; Demobilization, Disarmament and Reintegration (DDR); disaster response and humanitarian assistance; data management; counselling and research methods. Its strategic importance to the Community derives from the fact that regional entities are credible, cost effective and more efficient than individual institutions. As such, NCPR seeks to complement the vision, mission and objectives of the EAC. NCPR strategic framework entails a sustained outreach, networking, training, research and an internationalization programme.Operational objectives for NCPR 1. Promotion of peace and security as a means of enhancing regional integration and development 2. Collaboration with like-minded local, regional and international organizations 3. Conduct research in themes related to: * Refugees and internally displaced persons (IDPs) * Conflict early warning systems * Traditional dispute and conflict resolution methods * Resource-based conflicts * Terrorism and piracy threats * Proliferation of Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) NCPR: The PresentKey among the Nyerere Centre’s goals is the development of a strategic framework which envisages a sustained outreach, networking, training and an internationalization of NCPR as a centre of excellence. Through an operational Memorandum of Understanding with Arcadia University in the US, the centre is engaged in International Peace and Conflict Resolution (IPCR) programme. IPCR is designed to be a mutually benefitting programme involving: * Project-based student research programmes between EAC and Arcadia students * Student exchange training and programmes * Development of relevant research themes In July 2008, 19 students graduated in a human rights course, while 15 were enrolled in September 2008 for training and research on the Stability Assessment Framework (SAF) tool kit. The Centre held its maiden training workshop -- on Conflict Management and Peace Building in East Africa -- from 13-16 October 2008 at the East African Community (EAC) Headquarters, Arusha, Tanzania. The workshop brought together 30 middle-level technical, subject area experts and Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) officers dealing with Conflict Management and Peace Building initiatives in EAC Partner States. NCPR: The FutureTraining activities and plansThe Centre will in future provide short training courses in conflict analysis, post conflict reconstruction, negotiation, mediation, conciliation, facilitation, DDR, disaster response and humanitarian assistance, data management, counselling and research methods. QUICK FACTS ON NCPRManagementCoordinator: Lt Col. Peter ChegePhysical locationPrincess Margaret House(EAC complex - southern end - next to the Customs and Trade offices) [/TD]
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Mohamed Said said:
Bwana Nyerere kuwa makini sana unapozungumza na mimi.
Nakuomba pia nifanyie heshima katika lugha yako.

Mimi naweka hapa mambo ambayo nimeandika katika miaka
mingi ya utafiti na kwa hakika katika somo hili la historia ya uhuru
wa Tanganyika najichukulia mimi kama ''authority.''

Ikiwa unamjua msomi yeyote ambae anaijua historia hii kunishinda
ufahamishe ukumbi na maandishi yake apate kunukuliwa.

Kama nisemavyo wakati wote.
Mimi nimeingia humu si kwa nia ya kubishana ila kueleza yale yasiyofahamika
na wengi.

Hiyo tovuti si ya mtaani.
Tafadhali ipitie kisha ndiyo useme.

Ikiwa unaikana kuwa si ya Baba wa Taifa na haimuwakilishi tafadhali
ufahamishe ukumbi.
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Mzee Mohamed Said, unapenda sana na unalazimisha sana heshima japo heshima haikupendi.


Wapi nimekuondolea heshima yako mkuu?

Unaposema ni utafiti wako wa siku nyingi mimi sipingani na wewe hata kidogo,

Kupinga kwangu kunasimama kwenye matokeo ya utafiti wako huo wa miaka mingi.

Ikiwa tafiti zote zinazochukua miaka mingi zitakuja na matokeo kama haya, na kisha mtafiti atulazimishe tuamini bila kujibu hoja stahiki hii ni hatari kwa mstakabali wa utangamano wetu kama taifa moja.
 
Mohamed Said said:
Mimi sikufahamu kuwa hiyo tovuti haina baraka na wahusika wakuu nikiamini kabisa kuwa imewekwa pale kwa niaba ya Baba wa Taifa.

Zaidi nimepata hata kuwaandikia kuhusu historia ya awali ya Nyerere kuwaambia kuwa hiyo walioweka si ya kweli na nikawaandikia historia kama ilivyokuwa.

Hawakunijibu.
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Mpaka hapo bado tu hukupata kutabua kuwa haina mafungamano ya moja kwa moja na Mwalimu Nyerere?
 
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Hiyo hapo juu ni picha ya Baraza la Kwanza la Mawaziri wa Jamhuri ya Tanzania lililoundwa na Mkristo mwenye chuki na Waislaam, Raisi Mwalimu Julius Nyerere. Kwenye hii picha idadi ya mawaziri Waislaam ni kumi wakati Wakristo ni tisa! Mwalimu mwenyewe kazungukwa na Waislaam tupu kulia na kushoto...linalosikitisha ni kwamba huyu mchochezi hakuwahi kuwahoji wahusika hadi wengine wao wanatangulia mbele ya haki.

Nawaomba wote jamvini wakati mnasoma hayo maandiko ninayoyaita ya kufikirika, kuna mtu anatajwa sana na Mohamed Saidi...huyo ni mzee marehemu Hamza Mwapachu aliyefariki Septemba 17 mwaka 1962, hebu pia pitieni na kumbukumbu hii iliyoandikwa na Andrew Bomani mwaka jana;

 
Bwana Nyerere,

Lugha.

Chunga lugha yako.

Usizungumze nami kihuni.
Angalia mimi ninavyoandika.

Jifunze wewe bado mtoto.
 
Jasusi said:
Mohamed,
Unajua na sote tunajua kwamba Mwalimu amefariki bila kuanzisha tovuti yake popote pale. Kwa hiyo unaposema tovuti ya baba wa taifa unamhusisha Mwalimu Nyerere moja kwa moja na yaliyomo katika tovuti hiyo. Nilidhani wewe ni mwana historia makini lakini kumbe unaweza kuyumbishwa na majungu?
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Jasusi, soma bandiko la Mohamed namba 1247.
Kwakweli nimecheka sana maana yeye kaweka bandiko, sijui ni kwa bahati mbaya au kwa makusudi kwasababu ndani ya bandiko hilo amejichanganya na maelezo yake na ya kitabu chake.

mfano mdogo tu nimechukua kipande hiki
:....... Abdulwahid, Nyerere, Ally, Dossa Aziz, Mhando, Rupia, Dunstan Omar na wengine walikuwa wakikutana kila Jumapili nyumbani kwa Dossa Aziz Congo Street au nyumbani kwa Abdulwahid, Stanley Street. Hizi ndizo zilikuwa baraza mbili ambazo wazalendo walikuwa wakikutana kujadili mustakabali wa Tanganyika.
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Mohamed Said said:
Lugha.
Chunga lugha yako.

Usizungumze nami kihuni.
Angalia mimi ninavyoandika.

Jifunze wewe bado mtoto.
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Asalaam aleykum mzee wangu nakumbuka nilishamwabia huyu kijana awe na heshima anapojadiliana na ww lakini haelewi mzee mohamed huyu kijana unayefanya nae munakash ana majibu ya kisiasa za ccm na chadema kwavile ww si mtu wa kupitia thread zake nyingine lakini ungefanya utafiti juu ya thread zake wala asingekusumbua akili yako
 
Eti wapo wazee wa Gerezani, tena viongozi wa TAA, ambao hawakuwahi kumsikia Julius Kambarage Nyerere hadi alipokanyaga Dar es Salaam...believe this and you will believe anything!
 
Boko haram said:
Asalaam aleykum mzee wangu nakumbuka nilishamwabia huyu kijana awe na heshima anapojadiliana na ww lakini haelewi mzee mohamed huyu kijana unayefanya nae munakash ana majibu ya kisiasa za ccm na chadema kwavile ww si mtu wa kupitia thread zake nyingine lakini ungefanya utafiti juu ya thread zake wala asingekusumbua akili yako
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Unamaanisha mimi au mwingine?
 
Mag3 said:
Eti wapo wazee wa Gerezani, tena viongozi wa TAA, ambao hawakuwahi kumsikia Julius Kambarage Nyerere hadi alipokanyaga Dar es Salaam...believe this and you will believe anything!
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Chakujiuliza hapa ni waliwezaje kumchagua?
 
Yericko Nyerere said:
Chakujiuliza hapa ni waliwezaje kumchagua?
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Mohamed Said anadai Raisi wa TAA mwaka 1952 alikuwa ni mtu mwenye akili nyingi, kipaji cha juu cha uongozi, mwenye haiba na mpenzi wa watu, Abdulwahid Sykes...sasa hapa swali linajitokeza, kwa nini uchaguzi ufanyike mwaka 1953 halafu mshamba moja wa bara asiyejua hata kuvaa suruali achaguliwe kuiongoza TAA? Mathalani hilo tuliache, kwa nini walioendesha harakati za kuanzisha TANU mwaka uliofuatia 1954 wampe uongozi huyo mtu?

Ikumbukwe kuwa baada ya Dr. Kyaruzi kupewa uhamisho, Abdulwahid Sykes hakuchaguliwa kuwa Raisi wa TAA, alikaimu tu...je yawezekana hakuwa na uwezo, sifa wala ushawishi kama Mohamed Said anavyojaribu kuchombeza? Itakuwaje vyombo vyote anavyodaiwa kuviasisi, anashindwa kuviongoza?
 
Mohamed Said said:
Bwana Nyerere kuwa makini sana unapozungumza na mimi.
Nakuomba pia nifanyie heshima katika lugha yako.

Mimi naweka hapa mambo ambayo nimeandika katika miaka
mingi ya utafiti na kwa hakika katika somo hili la historia ya uhuru
wa Tanganyika najichukulia mimi kama ''authority.''

Ikiwa unamjua msomi yeyote ambae anaijua historia hii kunishinda
ufahamishe ukumbi na maandishi yake apate kunukuliwa.

Kama nisemavyo wakati wote.
Mimi nimeingia humu si kwa nia ya kubishana ila kueleza yale yasiyofahamika
na wengi.

Hiyo tovuti si ya mtaani.
Tafadhali ipitie kisha ndiyo useme.

Ikiwa unaikana kuwa si ya Baba wa Taifa na haimuwakilishi tafadhali
ufahamishe ukumbi.
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mzee wangu maandishi yako sio ya historia ya Tanganyika bali ni wazee wako tena (wakiislamu) wa Gerezani Kariakoo, katika kutafuta uhuru
 
Yericho Nyerere. Naona unatumia kila hali kutaka kuonyesha unaedai kuwa ni baba yako alikuwa sahihi lakin alikuwa na mapungufu mengi sana na mara nyingi alipenda sana kujiweka mbele katika kila kitu. Nimebainisha kuwa unayedai Baba yako Nyerere, kwa sababu nilipokuwa RDD Mwanza mara kwa mara nilikuwa nampokea Nyerere alipokuwa akitoka Dar kwenda Butiama na hata familia yake yote. Kwani walikuwa wanatumia ndege mara nyingi za jeshi la anga na kutua Mwanza kisha wanatumia usafiri wa gari kwenda butiama. Nimebainisha kuwa Historia yoyote ni kama pembe la ng'ombe huwezi kuificha na ndio hiyo siri sasa zimefichuka. Na kwa jinsi ninavyojua mimi kama historia hiyo ya Mohamed said angeitoa miaka ya 70's au mwanzoni mwa 80's basi wakti wa utawala wa Nyerere saa hizi nafikiri Mohamed Said Said saa hizi tungekuwa tunamzungumzia mengine. Kwani enzi za Nyerere hakukubali kabisa kufanya kazi na watu wenye akili na wenye kujiamini katika maamuzi yao. alipendelea sana kufanya kazi na waoga. na hilo ni tatizo kubwa linalowasibu wengi huko na kuwa wenye kulalama kila wakti wote. Kifupi alipenda kutukuzwa mithili ya Mungu mtu.
 
Hilo nikuambialo ni kweli kabisa sitanii. Mathalan Abdu Sykes kabla Nyerere hajaletwa kwake na Kasella
Bantu hakupatapo hata kumsikia.

Abdu kenda hadi Nairobi mwaka wa 1950 kukutana na Jomo Kenyatta hana habari za Nyerere. Baba yangu
ananambia wao wamekuja kumjua Nyerere kupitia kwa Abdu Sykes.

Kwani kipi cha ajabu? Mbona hilo jambo la kawaida? Umaarufu wa mtu huja baada ya yeye kufanya mambo
fulani katika jamii na hapo ndipo anapotambulika.

Lakini kama nyie mnaona sisemi kweli sawa. Tujaalie tu kuwa alikuwa maarufu na watu wa Gerezani na Kariakoo
wakimjua kabla ya 1950.

Ukitaka kuchukua mkondo huo na uchukue kisha anza kuifuatilia historia yake ukipita zile sehemu alizokuwa anakwenda.
Anza nyumbani kwa Abdu Aggrey, kisha Kipata kwa Ally ukimaliza hapo nenda Mtaa wa Mbaruku kwa Dossa halafu sokoni
Kariakoo ofisini kwa Abdu.

Jaribu zoezi hilo uone shida yake. Sikwambii aliposimama Arnatouglo Hall kwenye uchaguzi wa rais wa TAA 1953.
 
Umesema kweli hiyo ni historia ya wazee wangu.

Hilo kuwa ni historia ya uhuru wa Tanganyika sikulazimishi
kuichukulia hivyo unaweza kuipa anuani yoyote uitakayo.
 
Hapana labda wewe unaona hivyo.
Nimeweka nikiwa hadhir kabisa.

Huo ndiyo ukweli. Kama nisemavyo.
Simo humu kufanya ubishi.

Nipo hapa kueleza ile historia iliyokuwa
haifahamiki.
 
Bwana Nyerere,

Mbona unaingiza maneno yasiyopendeza?
Hilo la "ushamba" linakujaje humu?

Ikiwa lugha ndiyo hizi unadhani hawa watu 13,000+
watabakia kwenye uzi huu kutusikiza?

Si watatuona hatuna maana.
Wahuni.

Jitulize na andika kwa adabu tuendelee na mjadala.
 
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