Uraia wa nchi mbili: Maendelo na Matokeo yake!

[Kubwajinga]

Kwanini Mbunge anaiuliza Serikali ni lini italeta muswada wa kubadili sheria wakati wao ndio kazi yao, kuleta miswada na kutunga sheria?

Wapo wabunge wengi wa aina hii wasiojua kazi zao na nguvu waliyonayo. Wengi wanafikiri kazi yao ni kupiga tu porojo na kuuliza maswali ya kuwafanya waonekane na wapiga kura wao kwenye luninga/radio wakati wa vikao na baadaye kupitisha kila serikali wanalotaka. Hawa ni wengi sana Bungeni.

 

[Kubwajinga]

litakamilika baada ya uchaguzi wa 2020....🙂

Nafikiri this time litaenda haraka zaidi maana sio ajabu hata waziri mhusika, Mh. Masha, na yeye anahitaji kupatiwa dual citizenship.

 

[Kuhani]

Yani kweli hawajui kwamba wao pia ndio waleta miswada?

 

[jmushi1]

Hili la dual citizenship linaweza kupita haraka haraka kwani hata mafisadi wanalipenda!

 

[Mwawado]

Mbona hili linapigwa danadana tu; Lilishaongelewa hapo mwanzo tokea kipindi cha ubeberu wa mzee Mkapa; akatoa ahadi kedekede kuwa atalifanyia kazi, wapi! Kumbe mkuu alikuwa bize na biashara zake pale Magogoni. Sasa na muungwana wetu huyu nae ndo kimya, yeye anapiga misele tu kama Vasco da Gama. Hivi hao wanaokutana nae huko nje, hawamuulizi au ndo anaulizwa pre-planned questions, ambayo anajua hayatomweka on the spot.
Tunajua muheshimiwa atasafiri tu sio muda mrefu, na atakuwa na ile publicity ya kutaka kuulizwa maswali na watanzania huko anakokwenda; tungeomba mmoja wenu amuulize kuhusu hili, na ashilikie kupewa jibu la maana, sio blaa blaa hadithi za alifu lela ulela, tuone limefikia wapi, tumsikie muheshimiwa anasemaje......Linawezekana atoe siku, kama haliwezekani basi na aseme SITAKI, then tujue moja.

Mwazange,Mheshimiwa Mkuu wa Kaya anakuja kwenye zone yako....(mid August)na kwenye Msafara wake Mawaziri wanaohusika na hayo mambo ya Dual Citizen wote wapo (Membe na Masha),kwa maana hiyo Tafuta muda uwatupie hilo swali,nafikiri watakupa jibu zuri...Suala hili limekuwa gumu serikalini kwani wasomi wetu recommendations zao hazikuwa nzuri sana.

 

[Kuhani]

... sio ajabu hata waziri mhusika, Mh. Masha, na yeye anahitaji kupatiwa dual citizenship.

Kwa nini...?

 

[Membe S K]

Suala hili limekuwa gumu serikalini kwani wasomi wetu recommendations zao hazikuwa nzuri sana.

100% correct, recommendations za wasomi wa UDSM ndio zilizika kabisa suala hili na kuwakosesha nguvu viongozi waliopenda kupitisha dual citizenship. Kilichobaki kwa viongozi kama akina Membe & Co ni kuendelea kuwapa moyo wananchi huku wakijuwa kwamba dual citizenship ni ndoto.

 

[Peasant]

Mbona hili linapigwa danadana tu; Lilishaongelewa hapo mwanzo tokea kipindi cha ubeberu wa mzee Mkapa; akatoa ahadi kedekede kuwa atalifanyia kazi, wapi! Kumbe mkuu alikuwa bize na biashara zake pale Magogoni. Sasa na muungwana wetu huyu nae ndo kimya, yeye anapiga misele tu kama Vasco da Gama. Hivi hao wanaokutana nae huko nje, hawamuulizi au ndo anaulizwa pre-planned questions, ambayo anajua hayatomweka on the spot.
Tunajua muheshimiwa atasafiri tu sio muda mrefu, na atakuwa na ile publicity ya kutaka kuulizwa maswali na watanzania huko anakokwenda; tungeomba mmoja wenu amuulize kuhusu hili, na ashilikie kupewa jibu la maana, sio blaa blaa hadithi za alifu lela ulela, tuone limefikia wapi, tumsikie muheshimiwa anasemaje......Linawezekana atoe siku, kama haliwezekani basi na aseme SITAKI, then tujue moja.

Siku anaingia mitini hataki kabisa habari ya kuzungumza na wabongo. Anatumia muda wake mwingi kwenye deal zake na watu kama kina Sinclair, hovyooo!!

 

[Peasant]

Kwanini Mbunge anaiuliza Serikali ni lini italeta muswada wa kubadili sheria wakati wao ndio kazi yao, kuleta miswada na kutunga sheria?

Halafu hii habari inaahidi kwamba sheria inakuja. Lakini ukisoma, ukweli ni kwamba, muswada utakuja. Na sio kila muswada wa huwa unapita. Tena ukiisoma kwa makini zaidi, inasema watakutana ku "look into the matter." Inamaana. hata muswada nao unaweza usije! Kwa hiyo, habari ni ya kipotoshaji, kwa msomaji aliyepasi mtihani wa darasa la nne, na kujua kusoma.

Hii sio mara ya kwanza kwa hiki kitu kujadiliwa bungeni na kwingineko. Tuliwahi kuambiwa na mkubwa mmoja wa polisi kwamba sheria ya uraia wa nchi mbili haitakuja kwa sababu, kwa fikra zake huyu mkubwa, siyo kitu kizuri kwa kuwa itakuwa ni vigumu kubadilishana wahalifu!

Sasa ile mijadala iliishia wapi? Nini kipya hapa? Hii habari, kama ni mtu unaefuatili mambo, haiku inform chochote. Imenipotozea dakika nne za maisha yangu.

Hakuna ka habari kaliko tulia kanako tundikwa hapa kutoka kwenye gazeti lolote la Kitanzania. Tunahitaji press.

Sasa mbona wahalifu ndio wanamiliki passport mbili au zaidi pale bongo. Na wakishafanya mambo yao wanatimua, yuko wapi Vithlaini (yule mhindi wa rada), na sasa tusubiri kama Rostam Aziz hajatimka hivi punde!

 

[Kang]

Hizo recommendations za UDSM zilikua zipi? Kuna mtu anazo karibu?

 

[Mwazange]

Mwazange,Mheshimiwa Mkuu wa Kaya anakuja kwenye zone yako

Na hata akienda huwezi kujua ratiba yake, nasikia watu wa balozi nao ni kichefuchefu tosha, wanadhibiti schedule ya muheshimiwa ili watu wasiseme uoza wao. Basi ni balaa juu ya shida. Na nilisikia ana kilongalonga unachoweza kumtwangia dairekti. naombeni namba; atapata habari tu.

 

[David Nkulu]

Sikubaliani na mawazo yako kuwa kuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili ni makosa! Kosa gani? Wanaopinga wazo hili nahisi wanakosa mtazamo huru. Mnakuwa "guided" na ufinyu wa fikra au woga wa vitu, watu au hali fulani mnazodhani zitaletwa na hao watakaokuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili! Kutanua hoja zaidi, napenda kuwafahamisha wapinzani wa hilo wazo kuwa zaidi ya uraia wa nchi mbili, kuna watu wana uraia wa nchi tatu, wengine hata nne. Kwa nchi zilizoendelea na zinazofuata sheria, hicho siyo kipingamizi! Uraia ni kama hati au taratibu ambazo mtu anatakiwa kuzifuata/kuzikamilisha ili aweze kuishi nchi/sehemu fulani kisheria bila ukorofu, na inamlazimu afuate sheria za hapo anapoishi. Kukurahisishia mjadala, ni sawa na mtu akitaka kuishi ktk nyumba mbili ktk miji miwili tofauti, tuseme Mwanza na Mtwara. Akiwa Mwanza inambidi afuate sheria za hapo, alipe kodi hapo, n.k. hiyo haina maana kuwa akifanya hivyo Mwanza basi haruhusiwi kufanya hayo hayo Mtwara.
Kumbuka kuwa Tanzania ni moja ya nchi chache sana duniani ambapo tunathamini na kuwapa heshima kubwa wageni kuliko watanzania wenyewe wazaliwa. Ikiwa hufahamu hili, jaribu kufika airport, utaona kuwa mtanzania anyerudi kwao, anazongwa na foleni kali na maswali yasiyokuwa na lazima, wakati foreigner ambaye anathubutu kupanda ndege bila hata ya kuwa na viza ya tanzania, anakuja kuiombea hapao hapo airport na kisha anawahi kupewa ruhusa kuingia kabla hata ya sisi wazaliwa kurusiwa!
Kuna kitu kinaitwa globalization ambacho kinakuja kwa nguvu kali sana na hakizuiliki kwani wanachokishikia bango ni wale ambao wana uwezo na wanatawala dunia hii kwa uwezo. Je, wewe mpingaji wa uraia wa nchi mbili unaljiweka wapi ktk suala hili?

 

[David Nkulu]

"No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:24 - New King James Version).
Similarly one cannot belong to two countries, and serve these two countries equally. His or her loyalty will definitely be in question.

However, I believe Dual citizenship to be worse than serving two masters, worse than the promiscuity of a husband or wife who chooses not to have one lover but prefers a "nyumba ndogo" to satisfy his/her gluttonous, carnal and covetous needs, it is more so similar to homosexual tendencies whereby people born male (want to) behave as female and those born as female (want to) behave as male, choosing to belong to both and to neither all at the same time! Confusing society! What toilets should they use? How should they be addressed e.t.c.

If you have a gender identity crisis HAVE A SEX CHANGE AND LIVE WITH IT! Save society the confusion.

Equally dual citizenship will fuel rise of such characters who will confuse society, to whom I equally say HAVE YOUR CITZENSHIP CHANGED AND LIVE WITH IT! You will confuse society! Are you Tanzanian or American? If there is conflict of interest in business or political interactions are you with us or against us? Where will your vote be?

Advocates of dual citizenship use the possibility of Direct Foreign Investment (DFI) as an advantage of this idea. AN ADVANTAGE TO WHOM I ASK? The 90% of poor peasant farmers in rural Tanzania who are the ones we need to alleviate from the burden of poverty or the 0.5% elites and 9.5% middle class easing their way into laundering more wealth for themselves here in TZ while taking profits abroad to take advantage of high interest rates and non volatile economies? (Who wants to save millions in a volatile economy of any African country?)

Dual citizenship will further increase the already large gap between the have and the have nots in Tanzania, a recipe for certain disaster! There will come a time that the poor will say no more to the injustices perpetrated by others under the guise of accelerated development. Tanzania will become another Zimbabwe when the have nots who are a majority of the population will rise and rebel since they will not be profiting from a proclaimed "strong economy"!

Supporters of dual citizenship should realize that there is more that our country needs than their promises of possible investment. For money is the creation of men, here today gone tomorrow, setting our principles and country laws on such a volatile entity is very unwise, but patriotism is the true measure of character and a persons worth, to serve his or her country no matter what the situation. If you have money to invest in TZ, come and invest it and employ us to run it, won't dual citizenship give more jobs to "foreigners" as they undoubtedly have an advantage. There will be an influx of foreign workers and the poor Tanzanian as always will be left out!
It's a shame to see our brothers and sisters having been corrupted by the mighty dollar, and to think that they can come flash their money and lure us to a trap set to lock us in poverty and create extreme wealth to an elite few! I say keep your money and enjoy your western life!

I AM READY TO TAKE ARMS FOR THIS CAUSE AND FOR MY COUNTRY, THE QUESTION IS ARE YOU?(and which country will that be I wonder? Male or female I wonder?)

Dear Nyamgluu!
I must confess that you are totally wrong in your arguments! I suspect that you are motivated by a limited number of factors that are somehow embedded within your mind (like advantages of some investment incentives) and convince yourself that by opposing the dual citizenship you are actually fighting for your country!
Furthermore you confuse yourself and other members by comparing dual citizenship with serving two masters, wife - husband situation and sexuality. How come? Wel to confuse you further, I may be a transexual and a citizen of three countries! How about that!
History has taught us that it is very costly to learn from ones own mistakes. It is wise to learn from mistakes of others if and when conditions bear similarity. I do not know your location and history awareness, but must remind you a number of occurences: France was liberated from Hitler's occupation, amongst others by forces that resided outside france during world war II, Israel is being financed, its security assured, its problems solved mainly by a huge number of Israel citizens or descendants thjat are in the U.S.A. and western europe, and that even as we discuss, United Kingdom regards white Zimbabweans as the citizens of UK, and that is why they pay so much attention to their situation.
You do not slve the problems of "haves" and "have not" by discriminating those you think "haves" from coming back according to their wishes to live and or invest in Tanzania. You do solve this problem by "jobs" and "wealth creation". To do so you need investments, capital, flow of ideas etc. Mind you, your stance is far from being patriotic. You are actually being radical nationalistic. We do not need that in peaceful Tanzania. Wake up!
Denying Tanzanians dual and even tri-citizenship is denying them a nd their descendants a basic human right that they deserve. These people have a lot to payback to our social, economical and even political arenas that this country needs and deserve as well. If anyone is against exploitation of Tanzanians, take a closer look at some foreigners in the country who are employed as "expatriates" and being paid huge sums of money, allowances, allocated servants and drivers at 24 hrs disposal, while they have little or no knowledge of what they are doing! Personally I know a few, who were ice cream venders or did some odd jobs back home in europe before being given the "expatriate status". Fake foreign companies that are given rights to explore our natural resources almost for free, pay no taxes, and take all the profit outside the country! This is the real exploitation that you should be against and fighting! Examples are endless....
I hope that I have helped open and broaden the debate, setting he horizons further than the end of our noses.

 

[David Nkulu]

Mimi napinga wazo la kuwa na Uraia wa Nchi mbili si la msingi na hakuna faida .Vijana waamue ama Tanzania ama huko wanako kuona kuna faida .Ni uhalifu kuwa na Uraia wa Nchi mbili na si busara kabisa kuwa na uraia wa Nchi mbili .Nini faida zake? Tanzania JK na Serikali tunasema mawazo ya Ujana wa kuwa na Uraia wa Nchi 2 si mema.

Sikubaliani na mawazo yako kuwa kuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili ni makosa! Kosa gani? Wanaopinga wazo hili nahisi wanakosa mtazamo huru. Mnakuwa "guided" na ufinyu wa fikra au woga wa vitu, watu au hali fulani mnazodhani zitaletwa na hao watakaokuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili! Kutanua hoja zaidi, napenda kuwafahamisha wapinzani wa hilo wazo kuwa zaidi ya uraia wa nchi mbili, kuna watu wana uraia wa nchi tatu, wengine hata nne. Kwa nchi zilizoendelea na zinazofuata sheria, hicho siyo kipingamizi! Uraia ni kama hati au taratibu ambazo mtu anatakiwa kuzifuata/kuzikamilisha ili aweze kuishi nchi/sehemu fulani kisheria bila ukorofu, na inamlazimu afuate sheria za hapo anapoishi. Kukurahisishia mjadala, ni sawa na mtu akitaka kuishi ktk nyumba mbili ktk miji miwili tofauti, tuseme Mwanza na Mtwara. Akiwa Mwanza inambidi afuate sheria za hapo, alipe kodi hapo, n.k. hiyo haina maana kuwa akifanya hivyo Mwanza basi haruhusiwi kufanya hayo hayo Mtwara.
Kumbuka kuwa Tanzania ni moja ya nchi chache sana duniani ambapo tunathamini na kuwapa heshima kubwa wageni kuliko watanzania wenyewe wazaliwa. Ikiwa hufahamu hili, jaribu kufika airport, utaona kuwa mtanzania anyerudi kwao, anazongwa na foleni kali na maswali yasiyokuwa na lazima, wakati foreigner ambaye anathubutu kupanda ndege bila hata ya kuwa na viza ya tanzania, anakuja kuiombea hapao hapo airport na kisha anawahi kupewa ruhusa kuingia kabla hata ya sisi wazaliwa kurusiwa!
Kuna kitu kinaitwa globalization ambacho kinakuja kwa nguvu kali sana na hakizuiliki kwani wanachokishikia bango ni wale ambao wana uwezo na wanatawala dunia hii kwa uwezo. Je, wewe mpingaji wa uraia wa nchi mbili unaljiweka wapi ktk suala hili?

 

[popo]

Tunakataa uraia wa nchi mbili lakini wahindi wote wanaotuibia wana uraia wa nchi mbili Jituuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Patel amekwiba na amekimbia lakini kama tungeruhusu tungejua hilo mapema na tungeweza kujiepusha kwa kuzuia pasiport zake zote mbili, kilichotekea ni kwamba amepeleka pasiport ya Tanzania na akaficha ya Uk na ndipo alipoweza kukimbia.

Ukitaka kufaya mabadiliko auangalii Historia kwani hata mfumo wa chama kimoja sasa haupo na mwasisi mwenyewe ndio alikuwa wa kwanza kuuvunja ( JK Nyerere), sasa kwanini kusiwe na mabadiliko ya uraia wa nchi mbili.Watanzania tusiogope challenge,cha kufanya ni kuwekwe utaratibu mzuri wa kuhakikisha watu hawapati lopphole za kufanya ujanjaujanja.

 

[Kaa la Moto]

Tunakataa uraia wa nchi mbili lakini wahindi wote wanaotuibia wana uraia wa nchi mbili Jituuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Patel amekwiba na amekimbia lakini kama tungeruhusu tungejua hilo mapema na tungeweza kujiepusha kwa kuzuia pasiport zake zote mbili, kilichotekea ni kwamba amepeleka pasiport ya Tanzania na akaficha ya Uk na ndipo alipoweza kukimbia.

Ukitaka kufaya mabadiliko auangalii Historia kwani hata mfumo wa chama kimoja sasa haupo na mwasisi mwenyewe ndio alikuwa wa kwanza kuuvunja ( JK Nyerere), sasa kwanini kusiwe na mabadiliko ya uraia wa nchi mbili.Watanzania tusiogope challenge,cha kufanya ni kuwekwe utaratibu mzuri wa kuhakikisha watu hawapati lopphole za kufanya ujanjaujanja.

Ninaamini hata sasa wapo wahindi wengi tu wenye uraia wa hapa Tz na kwingine wanakojua hasa India, UK, Canada, na US.
Na si kwamba haijulikani. Inajulikana bwana. Kwani kazi ya Immigration officers ni kukaa mipakani kungoja kugonga mihuri kwenye passport?
Bwana weeeeeee wanajua kabisa kuwa hawa wahindi wanajidai kuwa na uraia wa hapa lakini wengi wanao wa nje pia.
Wapo na ngozi nyeusi pia wana uraia wa nchi nyingi na wengine nahisi watakuwa hata katika government.
Shida kubwa ni kwamba wengi wanafanya hivi for climinal reasons.
Je sasa tukiwaruhusu si tumekwisha?
Nia ya uraia wa nchi bili ni nzuri lakini hasara yake tutalia sana.

 

[BAK]

Uraia wa nchi mbili siyo ticket ya kufanyia ufisadi katika nchi yeyote ile duaniani. Tukumbuke kwamba Balozi wa Marekani nchi Tanzania alimwambia JK kama sikosei mwezi wa pili au wa tatu mwaka huu kama serikali ya Tanzania ingehitaji msaada wa kumrudisha Ballali nchini kutoka Marekani ambako inadaiwa alikuwa ana uraia basi serikali yake ilikuwa tayari kusaidia, lakini JK hakuomba msaada huo. Wa kulaumiwa hapa si uraia wa nchi mbili bali ni JK kukosa ujasiri wa kupambana na mafisadi.

Huyo Jitu Patel kama yuko UK na JK akimuomba Brown amrudishe Tanzania kwa sababu anahusika na kashda mbali mbali za wizi wa mabilioni, basi Primi Minister Brown hatashindwa kufanya kuisadia Tanzania, lakini ukweli ni kwamba JK hana ujasiri na angekuwa na uwezo angelinyamazisha hili la mafisadi ili lipotee tu, lakini Watanzania wa 2008 siyo wale wa mwaka 47!!!

Kwa hiyo ni makosa kwa baadhi yenu kudai na kudhani kwamba uraia wa nchi mbili ni ruhusa ya kufanya uharamia/ufisadi na kisha kukimbilia nchi nyingine, hizo ni alinacha zisizo na kichwa wala miguu.

 

[Koba]

Tunataka uraia wa nchi mbili..hatutaki kubanwa tafadhari!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Tunataka uraia wa nchi mbili..hatutaki kubanwa tafadhari!

Hakuna cha uraia wa inchi mbili wala nini.....McCain akishinda wewe ni deportation tu....kwa jiandae kuisalimia Kipawa.....

 

[Koba]

Hakuna cha uraia wa inchi mbili wala nini.....McCain akishinda wewe ni deportation tu....kwa jiandae kuisalimia Kipawa.....

...Wow...look this moron still linaongelea deportation...wajanja wote humu walio states tulimaliza hizo game za kitoto za papers tangu tupo college mpuuzi wewe,nasikitika sana kama huna paper bado!