Uraia wa nchi mbili: Maendelo na Matokeo yake!

[Mbu]

...mchakato huu umeishia wapi?

Kuukana uraia wa Tanzania si dhambi - Serikali

2007-01-29 17:46:06
Na Emmanuel Lengwa, Jijini

Serikali imeanza mchakato wa kuwaruhusu Watanzania walioukana Utanzania wao kuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili.

Akihojiwa na Shirika la Utangazaji la Uingereza, BBC, hivi karibuni, Waziri wa Mambo ya Nje, Bw. Benard Membe, amesema serikali imeona upo umuhimu wa kutunga sheria itakayowaruhusu wananchi hao kuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili ili waweze kushiriki kuleta maendeleo nyumbani.

``Tayari Rais Jakaya Kikwete ameagiza tuanze mchakato wa kuwapatia wananchi wetu uraia wa nchi mbili... tumegundua kuwa tukifanya hivyo wenzetu hao wanaweza kusaidia sana kuleta maendeleo nchini,`` akasema Bw. Membe.

source; https://www.jamiiforums.com/jukwaa-la-siasa/1504-uraia-wa-nchi-mbili.html

...MoD wa jukwaa hili unaonaje ukaziunganisha thread hizi mbili, zitasaidia kukabana nao makoo hawa waheshimiwa wakija kuomba 'kula'!

 

[Sanctus Mtsimbe]

Wana JF na Wadau Wote;

Habari njema ni kuwa TPN ikishirikiana na Wadau wengine imeandaa Diaspora Summit December 2009 ikiwa ni pamoja na Serikali.

Moja ya maada muhimu itakayoongelewa itakuwa ni Dual Citizenship. Waziri wetu wa Mambo ya Nje amekubali mwaliko wa kuitoa maada hiyo.

Hata hivyo inatia moyo kuwa serikali hatimaye imelivalia njuga suala hili na wadau watashirikishwa ni namna gani bora ya kuwa na Dual Citizenship au Smart Citizenship.

Karibuni katika Summit.

 

[Gilly]

Shukrani Mwanakijiji,

Its a good reminder.

Ni juzi juzi, tu wakati kombe la dunia likiendelea, tulialikana familia za Kitanzania kuangalia kwa pamoja mechi kati ya Ghana na USA. Well, nilichoshuhudia, ikabidi nijiulize mara mbili mbili kuhusu hii Dual Citizenship watu tunayoipigania.
Anyway, ni vyema watu kusoma hiyo reminder uliyoipost.

Hoja ya uraia wa nchi mbili inazugwa tu na unaonekana waziwazi kuwa ni wizi mtupu! Hoja ya Nyerere kuhusu swala hili ilikuwa nzito na haikuweza kupingwa na manabii wa uraia wa nchi mbili wa wakati ule. Hawa wa sasa hawaanzi kwa kuitengua hoja ile na badala yake wanaleta sababu za urahisi wa kuwekeza bila kutueleza nani atafaidika na uwekezaji huo!

Usaliti wa raia wa nchi mbili unajitokeza pale uvamizi wa nchi utakapotokea. Yeye atuambie, atachukuwa msimamo upi? Na kama nchi zinazopigana ndizo yeye ana uraia atakwenda upande upi? Na kwa nini ajikanganye kinafiki? Kwa mtaji upi?

 

[Binti Maringo]

Kuna mkaka mmoja alikuwa katika kampeni ya nguvu sana ya hii issue ya dual citizenship akafungua mpaka na website anaitwa Arthur Chilipweli..sijui iliishia wapi hii agenda labda anaweza kuja na good answer.

 

[Bluray]

Usawa huu kama uko katika position ya kuchukua ganda la watu chukua tu, hapo kipawa minazi mirefu utarudi tu hata bila ganda kama unataka.

Ukisubiri subiri hao jamaa wa bongo watazuga (I don't believe watapitisha) na huku viwanja unaweza kukuta milango imefungwa.

Mimi nataka world citizenship, nilipozaliwa hawakuniuliza nataka uraia wa nchi gani, kwa nini nibambikwe uraia kwa sababu nimezaliwa nchi moja, nikisema nimezaliwa duniani je?

Sheeeesh!

 

[Mbu]

Usawa huu kama uko katika position ya kuchukua ganda la watu chukua tu, hapo kipawa minazi mirefu utarudi tu hata bila ganda kama unataka.

Ukisubiri subiri hao jamaa wa bongo watazuga (I don't believe watapitisha) na huku viwanja unaweza kukuta milango imefungwa.

Mimi nataka world citizenship, nilipozaliwa hawakuniuliza nataka uraia wa nchi gani, kwa nini nibambikwe uraia kwa sababu nimezaliwa nchi moja, nikisema nimezaliwa duniani je?

Sheeeesh!

nakweli mkuu,...

potelea mbali naliwalo na liwe! mambo yeshaanza kuwa magumu kwa mama Malkia kama ilivyo Australia, sijui ninyi kwa Obama mambo yakoje na huko kwa Hatoyama...

Tough new points system for earning citizenship

03 August 2009

Plans requiring would-be-citizens to earn enough points to stay permanently in the United Kingdom were revealed by the Government today.

 

[Materanus]

sisi tutasubiri tu mpaka hapo hao miungu watu watakapofurahi.

 

[Companero]

Mara ya mwisho Raia Nambari Wani wa Nchi hii anayeishi Kitalu Nambari Moja alimaliza mjadala huu kwa kusema hivi:

In his most recent official visit to the United States of America (USA), the President of the United Republic of Tanzania, Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete, met a group of Tanzanian citizens – as well as citizens of USA who have renounced their Tanzanian citizenship – residing in Los Angeles, California. One of the burning questions that they had for the President – as the buildup to the event indicated – was the question of dual citizenship. Prior to this presidential visit it was a common knowledge, as garnered from parliamentary debates and ensuing media reports such as The Citizen’s Preparations for dual citizenship law underway (15 July 2008) and The Daily News’ Bill on dual citizenship coming (15 July 2008), that the government was in the process of preparing a Bill for dual citizenship to be tabled in parliament in one of its 2009 sessions.

Thus the anticipation the Tanzanian diaspora had, despite the fact that their campaign to push for such a Bill goes back as early as 2004, was based on the hope that as the head of the government, the president could reveal how soon they should expect such a parliamentary motion. Surprisingly, flanked by the minister responsible for foreign affairs, Bernard Membe, the president told his audience in Los Angeles that the move has stalled as it has been a subject of opposition among a number of people including the highly regarded intellectuals at the university, some of whom he affirmed they know very well. He noted that the minister for foreign affairs has frequently talked in favour of it but has now stopped doing so, for every time he speaks about it they blast – as in criticise – him.

In his characteristically humouristic tone, President Kikwete grinningly said that these opponents of dual citizenship are saying that their fellows who are abroad want to ‘kula huku na huku’, which when literally translated means, they ‘want to eat here and there.’ It is obvious he was referring to certain ‘Intellectuals at the Hill’, that is, those at the University of Dar es Salaam (UDSM) which is still highly regarded as the leading higher learning institution in Tanzania. The president promised, however, that they will keep on educating, as in sensitising the people, about it, that is, presumably about its benefits.

 

[Mbu]

...In his characteristically humouristic tone, President Kikwete grinningly said that these opponents of dual citizenship are saying that their fellows who are abroad want to ‘kula huku na huku', which when literally translated means, they ‘want to eat here and there.' It is obvious he was referring to certain ‘Intellectuals at the Hill', that is, those at the University of Dar es Salaam (UDSM) which is still highly regarded as the leading higher learning institution in Tanzania. The president promised, however, that they will keep on educating, as in sensitising the people, about it, that is, presumably about its benefits.

...alaaa kumbee! kwahiyo wanaona bora mzawa mwenye uraia wa nje aje nyumbani kufanya kazi kama Expatriate sio?

 

[Companero]

...alaaa kumbee! kwahiyo wanaona bora mzawa mwenye uraia wa nje aje nyumbani kufanya kazi kama Expatriate sio?

Njooni. Karibuni sana. Angalau mtakuwa na kauzalendo kidogo ka asili moyoni na kuijali nchi yetu kuliko hawa expats wanaotuletea 'Dead Aid' na 'Loliondogate'!

 

[John10]

Nawashauri WTZ wanaoishi nje ya ni kwamba wasiwe na pressure hili tatizo ni dogo sana kwa wao wanaoishi nje ya nchi. Vitu vya kufanya ni kuchanga hela, kuanzisha kampeni ya kusapotiwa na Wananchi, kutoa misaada kwa maskini vijijini, mashuleni na kuchangia masuala ya ujenzi wa nchi kama biashara, nk. WTZ na Wabunge hawawezi kukataa msipewe raia wa nchi mbili. Muhimu ni kutoa misaada na Si kuzungumza tu.

 

[Malyamungu]

Naam wanajukwaa

Nafurahi kujiunga na JF, nachukulia jukwaa hili kama ni sehemu ya kujifunza.

Takwimu za tanzania zinaonyesha kuwa kuna watanzania zaidi ya 1.2m wanaoishi nje ya nchi [rejea ripoti ya Tanzania Law Review Commission]. Naam hii ni karibu 3% ya taifa zima.

Nadhani wakati umefika sasa serikali ikapitisha sheria kuruhusu raia hawa kuweza kufaidi matunda ya uraia wa nchi mbili kwani kwa sasa wengi wanakwazwa na kuwa wakiamua kuchukua uraia mwingine inabidi waamue kuachia uzalendo wao.

Swali hili niliwahi kumuuliza mheshimiwa Sumaye alipokuja hapa Uingereza mwaka jana akakiri kuwa ni muhimu kuruhusu lakini hakuweza kutoa sababu kwa nini hasa mpaka sasa Tanzania imeshindwa kuwa sheria ya kuruhusu uraia wa nchi mbili.

Sasa hivi watanzania wengi wanaoishi Uingereza na nchi nyinginezo za Magharibi wanaweza kupata misaada kadhaa ya kuwekeza nchini mwao lakini kwa vile wengi wameamua kuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili bila kuachia uraia wao wa TZ basi inakuwa hawawezi kuwekeza nyumbani na kama watawekeza wataweka katika mfumo usio rasmi kama vile kuwatumia ndugu na jamaa pesa ili waweze kuwekeza,matokeo yake ni kuwa kwa vile ndugu hana uwezo wa biashara au kutokuwa muaminifu inakuwa ndio hivyo tena hela zinakwenda na hakuna linalofanyika,hii ina athari zaidi kwani mtu huyu hutotegemea akamhimiza mwenzie wa tanzania kuwa kawekeze nyumbani.

Naam mniwie radhi wanajukwaa nadhani ngwe yangu hapa mtandaoni italelemea zaidi katika kuwawezesha na kuwajali raia wote wa tanzania na kwa vile tuna asilimia 3% ya hawa wapo nje basi nao inabidi waainishe hoja zao ikiwemo na matatizo wayapatao,mwishowe waweze kuwa nao ni washiriki wazuri wa shughuli za kiuchumi Tanzania.

Mfano wa China ututoshe:
Kuna wachina 48 milioni nje ya nchi yao.Kuna wizara ya kushughulikia wachina waliopo nje ambayo inakuwa ni kama kiambatanishi cha wizara ya mambo ya nje ambapo wana jukumu la kuhakikisha kila mchina mwenye uwezo wa kutoa mchango kwao anawezeshwa bila vikwazo na pia wachina waliopo nje waweze kuwa wanapata habari na taarifa sahihi kuhusu hali ya uchumi,siasa,jamii nk wakati wote.

Angalia kwetu:
Balozi zetu zipo mbali na watanzania au tusema baadhi zimejitenga sana,ni kwa sababu kuwa karibu au mbali kunategemea na hulka ya balozi husika,kama ni mtu wa watu basi watu 'watajichanganya' kama sivyo basi watu hola! Nukta ni nini hapa? ni kuwa inabidi kuwe na ainisho maalum kwenye kazi za balozi katika kuwashughulikia watanzania.

Inatokea Rais anakuja kwenye nchi husika balozi anamkimbiza asionane na watanzania!
Natumai Ari mpya haitokuwa hivi na mabalozi nao watawajali watanzania hawa. Maoni yanakaribishwa, ''i stand to be corrected''[/Q

Angalia kwetu:
Balozi zetu zipo mbali na watanzania au tusema baadhi zimejitenga sana,ni kwa sababu kuwa karibu au mbali kunategemea na hulka ya balozi husika,kama ni mtu wa watu basi watu 'watajichanganya' kama sivyo basi watu hola! Nukta ni nini hapa? ni kuwa inabidi kuwe na ainisho maalum kwenye kazi za balozi katika kuwashughulikia watanzania

Niliandika email kwenda ubalozini kuhusu Ratiba ya kmwona balozi mwakilishi wake hapa Victoria, Aussie haikujibiwa mwanangu. Hii ina maana kama ulivyosema kuwa mabalozi siyo watu wa kuongea na Mtanzania hana nafasi hiyo.

 

[Malyamungu]

Njooni. Karibuni sana. Angalau mtakuwa na kauzalendo kidogo ka asili moyoni na kuijali nchi yetu kuliko hawa expats wanaotuletea 'Dead Aid' na 'Loliondogate'!

Unajua ktk kuwekeza huwa siyo kwamba mtu has cash doos on hand bali initials ndo zampa uaminifu na hata kuweza kuangalia wapi aweke hela apate hela. Kwa mfano, benki na benki zinaangalia what is political status quo and how are they supported in the investment program.

Kuna so many multinational agencies kama vile starbucks wanashindwa kuja kwani no status quo being in force and get politically supported, that wakija kuhitaji uraia ili waziangalie hela zao vyema huwa wanashindwa.

 

[M-Joka]

Law on dual citizenship coming

2008-07-15 10:16:03
By Bilal Abdul-Aziz, Dodoma


The government yesterday said it was in the process of drafting a new law that would allow Tanzanians to have dual citizenship.

Home Affairs deputy minister Khamis Kagasheki told the House that the Union and Zanzibar governments were jointly looking into the matter.

The deputy minister was responding to a question posed by Mwadini Jecha (Wete, CUF) who had wanted to know when the government would table a bill proposing the enacting of a new law on the matter.

``The Union government and that of Zanzibar are carefully looking into the matter. When the process has been completed, my ministry will bring the bill in the House for approval,`` said Kagasheki.

Earlier on, the deputy minister told Parliament that under the Union constitution, dual citizenship was illegal.

He said the law denied the people of Tanzania a chance to possess dual citizenship, and their Tanzanian citizenship ceased once they opted for other citizenship.

Kagasheki said the current laws particularly affected Tanzanian children born outside the country, who on reaching 18 years, were required to denounce the citizenship of one of their parents if they wanted to keep the Tanzanian citizenship.

``The system is not much known by our people. For that reason, at times, children encounter problems when they apply for passports or seek sponsorship for higher education,`` he said.

SOURCE: Guardian

Nichagueni mimi kuwa raisi wenu tu, muone. By decree "Mtanzania ni mTanzania, daima na milele, hata kama atanunua kwa manufaa yake na familia yake uraia wa nchi nyengine hata mia au elfu". Ata-denounce tu uTanzania wake pale atapo-denounce kwa hiari yake, kwa matamshi yake mwenyewe mbele ya mashahidi au kwa maandishi aliyoandika mwenyewe kwa hiari yake, not under duress". Aidha haya hayatohitajika pale tu atapoingia au kushiriki vita (militarily) kama mmoja wa Taifa jengine dhidi ya Tanzania, aidha awe amenunua uraia wa nchi ile ama la, hana uraia wa nchi ile. Hapo atakuwa ame-denounce uTanzania. Decree hii itaanza kutumika on the exact spot/time you elect me as your president, hata kabla mswada bungeni au sheria vitabuni/katibani havijafanyika. Nikimaliza hili tu na kuwashughulikia kitakatifu mafisadi, kazi ambayo sifikirii kama itanichukuwa hata miezi minne mpaka sita, najiuzulu, halafu mtaipeleka wenyewe nchi mtakako.

Mahala azaliwapo mtu ni uchaguzi wa Mwenyezi Mungu, si wa yeyote hata si yeye mwenyewe. Wazazi anaozaliwa nao mtu ni uchaguzi wa Mwenyezi Mungu(SW), si wa yeyote, hata si wake mwenyewe. Hakuna demokrasia za wanasiasa katika hili, sio previlege hii, it is birth right, it is birth right. Ni haramu inayonuka, dhuluma iliyokithiri na matusi kuliko ya nguoni kumnyanganya mtu uwananchi/uTanzania wake kwa sababu tu amenunua kwa manufaa yake na familia yake, kwa muda ama milele, uraia wa nchi nyengine. Binafsi nalichukulia hilo ni sawa na kumwambia mtu kwamba yeye ni mtoto wa haramu, akivubuka na kukupasua kichwa basi anayo haki na unastahili adhabu hiyo. Bunge, Raisi, Cabinet, Mahakama wamempa lini mtu uTanzania aliyekuwa mTanzania tayari?. Hawampi yeyote uTanzania aliyepewa tayari na Mwenyezi Mungu (SW) uTanzania. Labda kama kumbukumbu zimenipotea kidogo. Haki ya kumnyang'anya wameipata wapi????Wanampa tu, kwa mamlaka tuliyowaamini na kuwakabidhi, uTanzania, yule ASIYEKUWA mTanzania kama tunamkubali, ambapo akileta ufisadi, hiyana, au maovu ambayo hata sisi wenyewe hatufanyi, tunamuadhibu, tunamyang'anya na halafu tunamfukuza. Tunayo haki hiyo.

Nikiwa raisi wenu mimi, "kipengele" kile katika sheria ile nakipiga marufuku, mara moja, marufuku. Maana yake ni kuwa, kuhusiana na "kipengele" kile itabakia vacuum, wakati ambapo ni makosa ya jinai kumuambia mtu hana uraia Tz baada ya kununua uraia wa nchi nyengine, labda yale pale juu yatokee. Nitawapa miezi sita(6) mawaziri husika kuja na kipengele kipya kuondoa haramu hii, dhuluma hii, na matusi haya. Kama hawawezi hili, basi ni mafisadi wakubwa hao, njeeeeee. How comes, watu wanaweza ku-construct na ku-execute fasada/ufisadi, hata washindwe kuja na mswada utakaokuwa sheria perfect katika jambo rahisi kama hili???

I will never regard a Tanzanian a non-Tanzanian because of him/her purchasing for himself/herself and his/her family another country's citizenship. I will encourage it. When di he/she denounce it? How did he/she denounce it?. Instead, I regard "mafisadi" with either single citizenship (Tanzania), dual or multiple citizenships as filthy, worthless of living.

Natoa hoja.

 

[Wandugu Masanja]

Hii mijitu inafikiri kula wao tu, sasa leo tuulize Watanzania wangapi ni viongozi katika nchii hii na kama wamefikia 15% ya watanzania basi walipwe mishahara kama hawakufika amount hiyo bora wafanye kazi kwa kujitolea hakuna malipo, mbona viongozi wanalipwa hela kibao ya walipa kodi halafu akienda kwenye kikao analipwa marupurupu, Kwani hawalipwi mishahara? yeye ni kiongozi kwanini alipwe tena na mshahara wake hauna kodi analipiwa maji, umeme, gari ya watoto kupeleka shule, gari ya mama kwenda saloon. hivi sisi wajinga kiasi gani?

 

[Bluray]

I am giving the Tanzanian Government until March 1, 2010 to come up with something solid about dual citizenship.

Else, I will be forced by circumstances to apply for American Citizenship.

I will keep you updated.

 

[mzanganyika]

I will not seek the citizenship of another nation for my loyalty remains and will forever be to Tanzania and Tanzania only.

http://www.blog.co.tz/mapambazuko

Samahani lakini hii hoja mimi naiona ni ya kifisadi kwa sababu mafisadi will always side with whoever they are loyal to.

Mimi binafsi sina loyalty na nchi yoyote, my loyalty is with justice. Nikiona Tanzania imeonea nchi nyingine nitakemea na Tanzania ikionewa pia nitapinga kwa nguvu.


Hoja ya loyalty ndio hoja ya 'with us or against us' , principle hii ya unconditional loyalty imeigharimu Merakani gharama kubwa kwa sababu ya kuwa loyal na mataifa dhulumati.

Mwanakijiji, hoja yako imenishangaza. Nilitegemea utakuwa loyal to principles.

 

[mzanganyika]

I am giving the Tanzanian Government until March 1, 2010 to come up with something solid about dual citizenship.

Else, I will be forced by circumstances to apply for American Citizenship.

I will keep you updated.

Is this a threat?

 

[Rufiji]

Ndani ya EAC watanzania wenye uraia wa nje , wana haki ndogo sana kufananisha na wakenya, wanyarwanda, waganda katika nchi yao . Ifikapo mwezi wa saba mkenya au mganda atahitaji viza kuingia Tanzania; lakini, mtanzania mwenye uraia wa Marekani n.k will need a visa.

 

[Yegomasika]

Post yako haina ukweli wowote. Tunaonyesha kuwa kuna watu mbalimbali wa mataifa mengine ambao wangepata
uraia wa Tanzania bila kukana uraia wa nchi walizozaliwa wangeweza kufanya biashara za kulijenga taifa.

Hivyo suala la uraia una pande mbili. Una pande za watanzania (Diaspora) wanaotaka kuchukua uraia wa
nchi nyingine bila kuukana uraia wao wa Tanzania. Na kuna raia wa nchi zingine wanaotaka kuishi Tanzania
kama watanzania bila kuukana uraia wa nchi zao.

Kuhusu faida unazoonyesha haina ukweli wowote. Hoja ni lazima ijengwe na data na sio maneno matamu. Idadi ya watanzania
waliopo nje haionyeshi kuwa watatumia uraia wa nchi mbili kufanya vitendo vya uharifu kwa nchi wanazokaa au kwa nchi waliyozaliwa.
Na vilevile Tanzania ni mwanachama wa mashirika mbalimbali na ina mikataba ya kurudisha waarifu na nchi mbalimbali. Hivyo point yako
haina nguvu.

Kuhusu kujiunga na majeshi. Tanzania ina professional army. Na lile jeshi la lazima lilikuwa kwa wanafunzi
wanaomaliza vyuo. Na miaka ya 90 ni wanafunzi 10,000 tu kwa mwaka. Hii ni idadi ndogo sana kulinganisha na population ya Tanzania.

Kuhusu ada ya visa kutumika kama chanzo cha mapato ya uchumi, hapo umechemsha sana. Hakuna hata nchi moja duniani inayotegemea
ada ya visa kama chanzo cha mapato yake. Ada ya Visa ni kama kodi ya ushuru. Unapoongeza ushuru, watu wanapunguza matumizi ya vitu.
Ada ya visa inapokuwa kubwa, watu wanaacha kutembelea nchi yako. Na wakitembelea watabadana matumizi.

Mtu mwenye familia ya watu wanne akitaka kutembelea Tanzania itabidi alipe dollar 400 kwa ajili ya visa. Kama akipata visa bure atatumia
pesa hizo kwa matumizi akiwa Tanzania. Matumizi yana direct and indirect positive impacts katika uchumi wa nchi kuliko ushuru wa Visa.

Hii gharama ya visa imepanda lini tena, the last time nilikuwepo ilikuwa $50 per person.