Uraia wa nchi mbili: Maendelo na Matokeo yake!

[BAK]

mtu hazaliwi mzalendo bali huzaliwa mwananchi.
hivyo uraia wa nchi zaidi ya moja hauwezi kumfanya mwenye
kuwa nao awe mzalendo zaidi au akose uzalendo.

kwani wote waliosaini mikataba mibovu ya madini, waliohusika na unyanyasaji wa wananchi huko loliondo na kwingine, waliouwa mashirika ya umma, mafisadi wa epa nk walikuwa na dual citizenship?
[/QUOTE]

Ahsante sana Mkuu Kafara, umeongea point kubwa sana inayoonyesha kwamba muuza nchi si lazima awe na uraia wa nchi mbili ili kuingiza mkenge nchi yake. Na hivyo hili la kudai kwamba watakaokuwa na uraia wa nchi mbili watakosa Uzalendo halina nguvu wala mshiko maana hata wale ambao hawana uraia wa nchi mbili pia mara nyingi tu hawana uzalendo na kuna ushahidi wa kutosha kuthibitisha hilo.

 

[Nyambala]

Hivi kwani .. ni kwa nini unataka kuwa raia wa nchi mbili?

Wewe usietaka si ukae kimya, pilipili usiyoila yakuwashia nini????????????

 

[BAK]

Wewe usietaka si ukae kimya, pilipili usiyoila yakuwashia nini????????????

Ndiyo ntima nyongo yenyewe hii ndugu yangu...kama mimi siwezi kufaidika basi wote tusifaidike....tukose wote....maana hawa wanataka wafaidi huko waliko na wanataka wafaidi tena hapa Bongo.

 

[Eric Cartman]

Hivi wanajuaje kama mtu si mtanzania kwanza au kama kachukua uraia wa nchi nyingine. Kwa mfano mimi sijui nchi nyingine hila najua hapa UK watanzania wenye vibali vya indefinate leave to remain kupitia passport za kitanzania wakiamua kuchukua uraia wa hapa still 'home office' inatambua kama hawa watu ni raia wa nchi mbili hivyo umiliki passport mbili. Na wengi kwa kweli wakija bongo huwa wanatumia za ki-tanzania zenye indefinite visa tu ya huku. Sasa utamkataliaje si mtanzaia. haya mabo yetu ya fikra za umaskini sijui zitaisha lini. Watu wenyewe nao ndio wanasaidia mzigo wa serikali kujisomesha na kutumia hela watu huko kwao. Nchi yenyewe masikini alafu kujifanya babu kubwa Tanzania nyie inavisa.

 

[Nyambala]

Ndiyo ntima nyongo yenyewe hii ndugu yangu...kama mimi siwezi kufaidika basi wote tusifaidike....tukose wote....maana hawa wanataka wafaidi huko waliko na wanataka wafaidi tena hapa Bongo.

Kaazi kweli kweli!

 

[Maxence Melo]

Membe is Live on TBC, nashauri wana JF mkamsikilize vema kisha tutaweza kujenga hoja zaidi

 

[Companero]

Dual versus African Citizenship

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The Minister responsible for Foreign Affairs, Bernard Membe, has recently been quoted in the media as saying that the law to allow Tanzanian to hold Dual Citizenship should be enacted by the end of the year. In the wake of this turn of event we present an article that was written three years ago on the matter. The analysis therein is still relevant today.

Issa Shivji

In the just ended session of the Parliament, there were two questions asked. One related to dual citizenship, which has been in the air for some time now, and the Law Reform Commission apparently has worked on it and compiled a report. The other related to the debate on the formation of All Africa Government, which was discussed by the Heads of State at the last African Union (AU) Summit. Both these issues are very relevant and central to the question of African nationalism, political identity and the place of Africa in the world today. They are inseparably linked. Pan-Africanism and nationalism cannot be separated.

Yet, the issues have been hardly linked and virtually contradictory answers given to them. In his answer on dual citizenship, the Deputy Minister concerned answered that citizenship is a union matter and that there would be need of consultation between the two parts of the Union. That is true. In fact, dual citizenship raises some fundamental constitutional questions, which have not been raised, and discussed in the public debate. But today's palaver is not concerned with that. Today's palaver is interested in the rest of the answer of the minister.

The minister implied in his answer that ‘many' Tanzanians are in favour of dual citizenship. Previously newspapers have reported that vocal Tanzanians, particularly those residing outside the country, have clamoured for dual citizenship. It seems that even people in authority are in favour of dual citizenship. Perhaps it is a matter of time before dual citizenship is legalised.

The question to ask is which Tanzanians want dual citizenship and how many are ‘many Tanzanians' who want dual citizenship. It is clear, without taking a head count, that the ‘many' Tanzanians in this case can only be members of the minute elite. It cannot be the majority Tanzanians, who live in their villages, and may have never travelled outside the country, perhaps not even to Dar es Salaam. Dual citizenship is squarely the demand of the elite. It matters little to the large majority of Tanzanians.

The next question is what does dual citizenship imply and who stands to benefit from it. At the time of their independence, many African countries maintained single citizenship. It was primarily a question of building nationalism and national loyalty. Immigrant minorities, for example, had to make up their minds where they belonged. Adopting the citizenship of their country of residence was seen as a test of their loyalty. Keeping two passports was not only a crime in law but attracted a moral and political stigma; it showed lack of loyalty to one's country and nation.

Ironically, over forty years later, the whole debate on citizenship is conducted without reference to nationalism, African identity and political loyalty to the nation-state. Ironically, too, the issue of nationalism is not linked to the issue of pan-Africanism, which was so prominent in the nationalist debates of the 1950s and early 1960s. That brings me to the second question raised in Parliament.

In an answer to a question on Tanzania joining the African federation, the Deputy Minister concerned assured the House that there would be full consultation of the people as it was done on the proposal to fast track the East African federation. In the further elaboration of his answer, the minister seemed to repeat the position taken by Tanzania at the AU summit to form African federation step-by-step beginning with regional economic groupings and first resolve internal problems of poverty and conflicts.

In effect, the answers to the two questions demonstrate great readiness and enthusiasm for dual citizenship but lukewarm attitude and skepticism towards African citizenship.

At the time of independence, the first generation of African nationalists passionately discussed and believed in pan-Africanism. They realized that some fifty or so countries on their continent were an artificial creation of colonial powers. Nyerere said: ‘Since we were humiliated as Africans we had to be liberated as Africans.' They affirmed their Africanness, rather than glorify their Ghanaian-ness or Tanganyikan-ness. They foresaw that as individual African states they would become pawns on the imperialist chessboard. That singly they would not be able to develop nor withstand the exploitative outside forces. Indeed, they would not even be able to defend their independence and freedom.

History, unfortunately, has proved them right. Forty years later Africa is more divided than ever before. Mother Africa is bleeding with civil strife while its resources are looted under the name of globalization. Africans are fighting Africans.

Mwalimu Nyerere and Kwame Nkrumah were the two leading proponents of pan-Africanism. Both agreed on the goal, African unity, but they differed on how to achieve it. Nkrumah argued for political unity ‘now' - Africa Must Unite, Nkrumah roared. Nyerere argued pragmatically for step-by-step approach. Whereas for Nkrumah political unity was the only way of achieving African unity, for Nyerere any type of unity was a step towards African unity. Mwalimu had logic and pragmatism behind him; Nkrumah had history and political economy to back him up.

Forty years later, we can say that history has proved Nkrumah right. At the fortieth independence anniversary of Ghana in 1997, Nyerere admitted that the first generation of nationalist leaders had failed to achieve African Unity and African elites/rulers had become surrogates of imperialism. Nyerere confessed that the project of building nation-states, that is nationalism based on each individual country, failed. In his own words:

I reject the glorification of the nation-state which we have inherited from colonialism, and the artificial nations we are trying to forge from that inheritance. We are all Africans trying very hard to be Ghanaians or Tanzanians. Fortunately for Africa we have not been completely successful.

Indeed, not only we have failed to become fully Tanzanians, but are gleefully giving up the effort as our elites wallow in the desire to become citizens of Europe and America to get petty privileges. It is the same Europe and America under the Sarkozys and Bushes of this world, which is building racist immigration walls

Consider for a moment the irony that Africans from Togo in Ivory Coast are hounded out sparking off a civil war because they are not Ivorians; Africans from Nigeria are turned back at African airports; Africans from Somalia are turned over to fascist forces at Kenyan borders because they are not Kenyans – in fact they are not Somalis either; they are "terrorists"! So while we fight and kill each other because of our artificial identities within colonial borders and ‘petty' nationalisms, we embrace dual citizenship, making nonsense of both our African-ness and nationalism. Truly, as Mwalimu said, African nationalism outside pan-Africanism is anachronistic, it is tribalism on world scale. In his 1997 speech Mwalimu made a clarion call:

A new generation of self-respecting Africans should spit in the face of anybody who suggests that our continent should remain divided and fossilized in the shame of colonialism in order to satisfy the national pride of our former colonial masters.

Africa must unite! This was the title of one of Kwame Nkrumah's books. That call is more urgent today than ever before. Together, we the peoples of Africa will be incomparably stronger internationally than we are now with our multiplicity of unviable states. The needs of our separate countries can be, and are being, ignored by the rich and powerful. The result is that Africa is marginalized when international decisions affecting our vital interests are made.

Unity will not make us automatically rich, but it can make it difficult for Africa and the African peoples to be disregarded and humiliated.

My generation led Africa to political freedom. The current generation of leaders and peoples of Africa must pick up the flickering torch of African freedom, refuel it with their enthusiasm and determination, and carry it forward.

Is the current leadership in Africa, including Mwalimu's Tanzania, worthy of picking up the flickering torch of African freedom and African citizenship, engrossed as it is in a petty debate on dual citizenship to access petty privileges?

Saturday Palaver
24.11.2007
The Citizen

 

[manglous]

You may have a point but your need to improve on presenting your view in writing. The use of capital letters in report, spelling, punctuations, and no even a paragraph. It is tiring to read and boring.

 

[hali]

Welcome Crooks back to Bongoland!

 

[Dark City]

Membe is Live on TBC, nashauri wana JF mkamsikilize vema kisha tutaweza kujenga hoja zaidi

Nimemsikiliza sana ila ameshindwa kujibu hoja za wanzake na badala yake anatumia nguvu kufikisha ujumbe.

Binafsi siona kama kuna sababu kung'ang'ania mambo na sheria za mwaka 47. Watu wapewe uhuru wa kuwa watoto wa bibi (UK citizens) au BO (US) etc bila kulazimishwa kupoteza uraia wao wa kuzaliwa. Wale wazee waliokuwa wanapinga suala hili hawajatoa pointi za kunishawishi ingawa na Membe amekuwa mchangiaji wa hovyo hovyo!

 

[Mkereme]

Nimemsikiliza sana ila ameshindwa kujibu hoja za wanzake na badala yake anatumia nguvu kufikisha ujumbe.

Binafsi siona kama kuna sababu kung'ang'ania mambo na sheria za mwaka 47. Watu wapewe uhuru wa kuwa watoto wa bibi (UK citizens) au BO (US) etc bila kulazimishwa kupoteza uraia wao wa kuzaliwa. Wale wazee waliokuwa wanapinga suala hili hawajatoa pointi za kunishawishi ingawa na Membe amekuwa mchangiaji wa hovyo hovyo!

Dark City na wenzako!

Acheni upuuzi kupigania haki ya kuwa raia wa nchi mbili kwa wakati mmoja haina tofauti na kuandamana kuhalalisha ndoa za jinsia moja. Tatizo lenu ni kukumbatia sera za kihindi na kila mdharau chake hukweza cha mwenziwe. Always kutakuwepo na conflict of interest. Suppose wewe ni raia wa Tanzania ukatamani kuwa raia wa Kenya; ikatokea vita au ugomvi kati yenu and we start pushing Kenyans out can you for a while imagine what will happen? And don't rule out tukio kama hilo. Mwaka juzi tunajua kilichotokea kati ya Russia na Georgia unless hamsomi historia plus current affairs.

Let us simply draw the line sharti uwe na uraia mmoja only at a time. If you go further ni sawa na mwnamke kuolewa na wanaume wawili at the same time it is not functional hata wakiwa ndugu ! So don't waste this precious column kutetea kitu ambacho kwa hakika sio endelevu. Thesa things come and go pronto!

Katika enzi zetu going to UK then Great Britain from Tanzania you needn't have to apply for a viza just show your Passport at the customs na wanakugongea a stay of three months hata kama huna ndururu and the indians black and white/africans flocked Earls Court ;na vitongoji vyote vya London wakila fufu na maharagwe pamoja na ndizi kule Tottenham!! thubutu leo with the islamization of TZ KUPATA VISA YA UK its almost like trying to go to the moon !!! Tena siku hizi lazima uende Nairobi na bado you fools envy going to UK where its no safer than Darfur or Iraq.

Siku hizi its not a deal kwenda kubaguliwa you ask those chaps who are suffering in the USA with their Green cards Citizenship simply wanaona noma kurudi ati tutawacheka just come back home guys huko you won't get any glory!!!

 

[Dark City]

Dark City na wenzako!

Acheni upuuzi kupigania haki ya kuwa raia wa nchi mbili kwa wakati mmoja haina tofauti na kuandamana kuhalalisha ndoa za jinsia moja. Tatizo lenu ni kukumbatia sera za kihindi na kila mdharau chake hukweza cha mwenziwe. Always kutakuwepo na conflict of interest. Suppose wewe ni raia wa Tanzania ukatamani kuwa raia wa Kenya; ikatokea vita au ugomvi kati yenu and we start pushing Kenyans out can you for a while imagine what will happen? And don't rule out tukio kama hilo. Mwaka juzi tunajua kilichotokea kati ya Russia na Georgia unless hamsomi historia plus current affairs.

Let us simply draw the line sharti uwe na uraia mmoja only at a time. If you go further ni sawa na mwnamke kuolewa na wanaume wawili at the same time it is not functional hata wakiwa ndugu ! So don't waste this precious column kutetea kitu ambacho kwa hakika sio endelevu. Thesa things come and go pronto!

Katika enzi zetu going to UK then Great Britain from Tanzania you needn't have to apply for a viza just show your Passport at the customs na wanakugongea a stay of three months hata kama huna ndururu and the indians black and white/africans flocked Earls Court ;na vitongoji vyote vya London wakila fufu na maharagwe pamoja na ndizi kule Tottenham!! thubutu leo with the islamization of TZ KUPATA VISA YA UK its almost like trying to go to the moon !!! Tena siku hizi lazima uende Nairobi na bado you fools envy going to UK where its no safer than Darfur or Iraq.

Siku hizi its not a deal kwenda kubaguliwa you ask those chaps who are suffering in the USA with their Green cards Citizenship simply wanaona noma kurudi ati tutawacheka just come back home guys huko you won't get any glory!!!

Mkuu hata sasa hivi Watanzania tumegawanyika na tunatakiwa kuchagua upande hata bila kuingiza suala la uraia wa nchi mbili.

Hapo kwenye BLUE: Nakushukuru sana (hata thanks nimekugongea) kwa kunitukana. Nimerudia post yangu ili nijiridhishe kama nimetukana mtu lakini sijaona mahali popote nilipofuka moshi! Ubarikiwe sana mpendwa. Mimi na wenzangu wenye mawazo tofauti na wewe siyo wazalendo wa nchi hii. Ahsante sana.

 

[Godwine]

mimi nadhani itakuja kuleta mchanganyiko mkubwa tukifikiri kwa hatua mbili uraia wa nchi mbili hauna madhara lakini twende kwa undani na tuone kama huyu mwenye uraia wa nchi mbili atakuwa rais au mkuu wa majeshi hatuoni kutaleta mkanganyiko mkubwa zaidi, tutakuwa na rais wa tanzania pia ni raia wa nchi nyingine, akifanya makosa uku anakimbia kwingine

THINK BIG

 

[Nyambala]

kuwa raia wa nchi mbili kwa wakati mmoja haina tofauti na kuandamana kuhalalisha ndoa za jinsia moja.

Du! hizi arguments zingine!!!!!! How do the above relate?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hata kama ni uhuru wa mawazo this is too much!

 

[S. S. Phares]

Dark City na wenzako!

Acheni upuuzi kupigania haki ya kuwa raia wa nchi mbili kwa wakati mmoja haina tofauti na kuandamana kuhalalisha ndoa za jinsia moja. Tatizo lenu ni kukumbatia sera za kihindi na kila mdharau chake hukweza cha mwenziwe. Always kutakuwepo na conflict of interest. Suppose wewe ni raia wa Tanzania ukatamani kuwa raia wa Kenya; ikatokea vita au ugomvi kati yenu and we start pushing Kenyans out can you for a while imagine what will happen? And don't rule out tukio kama hilo. Mwaka juzi tunajua kilichotokea kati ya Russia na Georgia unless hamsomi historia plus current affairs.

Let us simply draw the line sharti uwe na uraia mmoja only at a time. If you go further ni sawa na mwnamke kuolewa na wanaume wawili at the same time it is not functional hata wakiwa ndugu ! So don't waste this precious column kutetea kitu ambacho kwa hakika sio endelevu. Thesa things come and go pronto!

Katika enzi zetu going to UK then Great Britain from Tanzania you needn't have to apply for a viza just show your Passport at the customs na wanakugongea a stay of three months hata kama huna ndururu and the indians black and white/africans flocked Earls Court ;na vitongoji vyote vya London wakila fufu na maharagwe pamoja na ndizi kule Tottenham!! thubutu leo with the islamization of TZ KUPATA VISA YA UK its almost like trying to go to the moon !!! Tena siku hizi lazima uende Nairobi na bado you fools envy going to UK where its no safer than Darfur or Iraq.

Siku hizi its not a deal kwenda kubaguliwa you ask those chaps who are suffering in the USA with their Green cards Citizenship simply wanaona noma kurudi ati tutawacheka just come back home guys huko you won't get any glory!!!

Mkuu,

Kwa heshima kabisa ningependa kukufahamisha kuwa huna hoja kabisa kwenye hii issue..!!

 

[bona]

inabidi tujiulize kwa nini uu mswada unashikiwa bango? nadhan serikali ina priority ktk kuletea wananchi wake maendeleo, je, muswada wa dual citizenship utaleta faida gani hadi upewe kipaumbele hadi membe akipita kila kona kuuhubiri kama jesus enzi zake!
je hao wageni(waliokua watanzania wakaukana utanzania ili wawe raia wa nchi zingine) sisi tunawajali kwa lipi maana walitukimbia ili wakaenjoy raha za majuu sasa leo wamesahau nini? kama ni kuja kuwekeza si kweli mpaka uwe na urai wa tanzania ili uwekeze, makaburu wa kule tanzanite one(mererani), barrick kule kanda ya ziwa, tbl, nmb etc ni watanzania?
watanzania siri ya dual citizenship ni kwamba wawekezaji wanataka waenjoy benefit za utanzania kununua ardhi, kuchimba madini na kutolipa kodi na mwisho wa siku maliasili zikiisha na umasikini ukiongezeka violences are inevitable kwa iyo ndio waweze kurudi makwao kwenye nchi zao za kweli, na ndio haohao atakua anaweka pesa zake nchi za ulaya, imagine tajiri awe na uraia wa uk na tz, pesa atakua anaweka ktk benki za nchi ipi? matunda yote atayopata kutoka tz ataenda kuyaenjoy wapi? tusidanganyike uu mswada unapigiwa debe na wb,imf na donors na utapita tu kwani serikali ishalazimishwa no turning back!
au serikali itueleze ni wageni wangapi waluiokua watanzania leo wanataka kuwa watanzania tena, na kwa sababu zipi?

 

[Mtu B]

Nimemwona Bernad Membe jana kwenye TV akiwa anaishupalia hiyo hoja, hadi anawavuta watu mashati wanyamaze aongee mwenyewe! Mpaka nikawaza pengine na yeye tayari ana uraia wa nchi mbili, anahitaji sana huo uhalalisho.

Na ile story aliyokuwa anatoa ya marehemu Amir Jamal na Mwalimu Nyerere, nina mashaka sana na ukweli wake ukizingatia kuwa wote sasa ni marehemu.

Uraia wa nchi mbili naona kama opportunism yenye gharama flani ambazo tunataka kuzifumbia macho kwa makusudi. Imagine mtu ni raia wa Tz na Zambia at the same time, na anaishi Tunduma kwa mfano. Anapiga kura nchi mbili. Ana haki ya kugombea uongozi nchi mbili. Anakuwa mbunge Tz au hata waziri, kisha anarudi nchi ingine anakuwa kwenye system yao pia. Kuna usalama gani hapo?

Political promiscuity?

 

[Hebrew]

Dark City na wenzako!

Acheni upuuzi kupigania haki ya kuwa raia wa nchi mbili kwa wakati mmoja haina tofauti na kuandamana kuhalalisha ndoa za jinsia moja. Tatizo lenu ni kukumbatia sera za kihindi na kila mdharau chake hukweza cha mwenziwe. Always kutakuwepo na conflict of interest. Suppose wewe ni raia wa Tanzania ukatamani kuwa raia wa Kenya; ikatokea vita au ugomvi kati yenu and we start pushing Kenyans out can you for a while imagine what will happen? And don't rule out tukio kama hilo. Mwaka juzi tunajua kilichotokea kati ya Russia na Georgia unless hamsomi historia plus current affairs.

Let us simply draw the line sharti uwe na uraia mmoja only at a time. If you go further ni sawa na mwnamke kuolewa na wanaume wawili at the same time it is not functional hata wakiwa ndugu ! So don't waste this precious column kutetea kitu ambacho kwa hakika sio endelevu. Thesa things come and go pronto!

Katika enzi zetu going to UK then Great Britain from Tanzania you needn't have to apply for a viza just show your Passport at the customs na wanakugongea a stay of three months hata kama huna ndururu and the indians black and white/africans flocked Earls Court ;na vitongoji vyote vya London wakila fufu na maharagwe pamoja na ndizi kule Tottenham!! thubutu leo with the islamization of TZ KUPATA VISA YA UK its almost like trying to go to the moon !!! Tena siku hizi lazima uende Nairobi na bado you fools envy going to UK where its no safer than Darfur or Iraq.

Siku hizi its not a deal kwenda kubaguliwa you ask those chaps who are suffering in the USA with their Green cards Citizenship simply wanaona noma kurudi ati tutawacheka just come back home guys huko you won't get any glory!!!

Mkuu hapa penye NYEKUNDU naona haupo sawa. Kuna waTZ wengi tu either wameoa au kuolewa na wakenya (au toka nchi nyingine) na wana familia-hivyo kama anaona kutakuwa na tatizo baadae..mbona usilione sasa!!

Halafu suala la visa halihusiani kabisa na MADA hii. Masuala ya Visa yalikuwepo na yataendelea kuwepo regardless!!

 

[Raia Fulani]

kuwekeza ndugu sio lazima uwe na uraia wa nchi mbili. tatizo kwa wale walio ughaibuni wanaogopa kuachia kile walicho nacho na wakati huohuo wanaogopa kuwepo katika asili zao. wakati mwingine ni uoga wa bure na vile vile ni udhaifu kudhani kuwa kama ukiachia maslahi unayoyapata huko uliko utasota. nadhani wengi walio huko wameshaukana uraia wa tanzania na wanatafuta mwanya wa kuwepo tena nchini ila inakuwa tabu kwa vile watakuja kama wageni. pia wanaona jamii walioiacha itawachukulia vibaya na ndio maana wanaomba kuharakishwa kwa hili suala. kuna jamaa yetu mmoja alielekea kanada mwaka 1997 na kufikia kwenye kambi ya wakimbizi ambapo kaka yake wa kuzaliwa alienda kumchukua na kusema atamudu kuishi nae. jamaa baada ya muda aliukana uraia wa tanzania na kuchukua wa kanada. ndio hawa wanaotaka kuwepo na uraia wa nchi mbili kwani maisha ya ugenini yameshawawia mzigo. suala la uwekezaji si kigezo. tumia muda wako vizuri ukiwa huko kwa kuchuma na kuvituma nyumbani kama wafanyavyo w. africa na muda ukifika urudi nyumbani utapokelewa kama shujaa.

 

[Choveki]

Nimemwona Bernad Membe jana kwenye TV akiwa anaishupalia hiyo hoja, hadi anawavuta watu mashati wanyamaze aongee mwenyewe! "Mpaka nikawaza pengine na yeye tayari ana uraia wa nchi mbili, anahitaji sana huo uhalalisho".
Political promiscuity?

Mmhhhhh? Yaani eshakiuka miiko ya uTz na ya uongozi?