UTAFITI: Dhana ya Mfumo Kristu Tanzania na Ukweli wake

[Elungata]

haha...mnavyojitahidi mpangia allah...inaelekea allah hata hijab mmemvalisha....mbona muhamad hakuw ana break..hadi Aisha aliuliza kwanini Mohamed ala anafuta amri zako kila tamaa yako anaitimiza haraka.

yesu ndo hakuwa subira,we unadhani kwanini alipenda sana kwenda pale bethania?.

Alikua akienda kwa kina martha,hao walikua mabinti ambao wakiishi na kaka yao lazaro.
Licha ya yesu kuwa karibu sana na lazaro baada ya kile kinachodaiwa kumfufua.
Pia yesu alikua karibu sana na mary kiasi cha martha kusikia wivu na kumlalamikia yesu ambae aliendelea kumtetea mary.
Ilifikia hatua yesu akienda pale kwao,mary alikua habanduki pembeni ya yesu kiasi cha kumwachia kazi zote za kuandaa chakula martha.
Huo ukaribu wa yesu na mary unaonyesha yesu hakua na subira hata kidogo.
Kama vile haitoshi yesu pia alimpenda sana mwanafunzi mmojawapo kiasi cha kupakatana kila wanapokua wamerelax,huyu ndie mwanafunzi aliekua akimwegemea yesu kifuani always.

 

[Elungata]

Ndio umechagua hilo kujiokoa?

siwezi kujibu issue ambayo sijawahi kuisikia labda nikuulize tena.

Siku warumi wanakuja kumkamata yesu,walimkurupusha akiwa na lazaro ambae alikua ndani ya kanga moko huku akiwa mtupu ndani.
Lazaro alikimbia wakajaribu kumkamata akawaponyoka na kutoka mbio akiwa uchi wa mnyama akiwaachia kanga mikononi.
Kilikua kinaendelea nini hapo.

 

[Elungata]

He Left the Linen Cloth And Ran Away Naked

 

[Nicholas]

Ritz na wengine hembue tuambien hapa:Huyu kweli tunaweza sema ni nabii w akumfuata?Mfano bora kabisa wawaislam?Leo hii waislam nao wanatokewa na hata mapepo:Jinn mahaba:


Narrated Aisha: Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660; see also Number 661)


Sasa km allaha hakuweza mlind ahuyu jamaa atamlinda nani ktk uislam?

 

[Nicholas]

Ritz sasa ni zamu yenu kujibu mungu muhamed hapa:Sijui mtauita uwili muovu au utatu muovu kwa kuongeza mmojawapo wa majinn Iblis km roho muovu?Kuran imejaa muhamad na mshirika wake allah..na mara zote kuran inasema SISI/TU

The fact that mention of the Prophet is directly connected to mention of Allah also shows that obedience to the Prophet is connected to obedience to Allah and his name to Allah's name. Allah says, "Obey Allah and His Messenger" (2:32) and "Believe in Allah and His Messenger." (4:136) Allah joins them together using the conjunction wa WHICH IS THE CONJUNCTION OF PARTNERSHIP. IT IS NOT PERMITTED TO USE THIS CONJUNCTION IN CONNECTION WITH ALLAH IN THE CASE OF ANYONE EXCEPT THE PROPHET.

… 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said, "Verily he has betrayed Allah, His Apostle, and the believers! Allow me to chop his neck off!" The Prophet said, "O 'Umar! What do you know? Perhaps Allah looked upon the Badr warriors and said, ‘Do whatever you like, for I have ordained that you will be in Paradise.'" On that 'Umar wept and said, "Allah AND His Apostle know best." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 74, Number 276, *)Finally:
Narrated Mu'adh bin Jabal:
The Prophet said, "O Mu'adh! Do you know what Allah's Right upon His slaves is?" I said, "Allah AND His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?" I replied, "Allah AND His Apostle know best." The Prophet said, "Not to punish them (if they do so)." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 93, Number 470, *)

Doesn't the use of the conjunction in all of the above narratives imply that Muhammad knows whatever Allah knows thereby making him a co-equal partner with Allah in knowledge? Yet wouldn't this clearly contradict the explicit testimony of the Quran that Muhammad doesn't know what Allah knows and is ignorant of the unseen?
Say (O Muhammad): "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe." S. 7:188 Hilali-Khan

If so, then doesn't this conclusively show that the so-called sound narratives are contradicting the Quran?

And obey Allah AND the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy. S. 3:132

The response of the believers, when they are invited to Allah AND His Messenger that he may judge between them, is only to say: We hear and we obey; and these it is that are the successful. S. 24:51


In fact, one's entire salvation is determined by one's obedience and devotion to Muhammad:
Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. S. 3:31 Pickthall


CXLII: "O you who believe! Respond to Allah, AND to the Messenger, when He calls you to what will bring you to life! Know that Allah intervenes between a man and his heart and that you will be gathered to Him." (8:24)
4370. It is related that Sa'id b. al-Mu'alla said, "I was praying and the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, passed by called me, but I did not answer until I had finished praying. Then I went to him and he said, 'What kept you from coming to me? Does not Allah say, "Respond to Allah, AND to the Messenger, when He calls you to what will bring you to life!" (8:24)?' Then he said to me, 'I will teach you a sura which is the greatest of the suras in the Qur'an before you leave.' The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was about to leave, so I reminded him."


Lest Muslims accuse of us distorting the meaning of this specific citation here is how some of Islam's renowned commentators interpreted this reference:
But no, (fa-la, the la is extra) by your Lord! They will not believe until they make you judge over what has broken out, has become mixed up, between them and find in themselves no inhibition, [no] constraint or doubt, regarding what you decide, but submit, [but] comply with your ruling, in full submission, without objection. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn; bold and underline emphasis ours)

And:
(But nay, by your lord) Allah swore by Himself and by the age of Muhammad, (they will not believe) in secret nor deserve to be called believers when alone (until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them and find within themselves) in their hearts (no dislike) no doubt (of that which thou decidest) between them, (and submit with full submission) totally submit to you. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; bold and underline emphasis ours)



Naomba majibu hapa:

 

[Nicholas]

Ritz tumemaliza maswali ya Yesu naomba mtuambie yaleyale mlioyomhukumu nayo Yesu sasa tumhukumu nayo muhamad:

One Does not Become a Believer Unless He Refers to the Messenger for Judgment AND SUBMITS TO HIS DECISIONS
Allah said…
<But no, by your Lord, they can have no faith, until they make you judge in all disputes between them,> Allah swears by His Glorious, Most Honorable Self, that no one shall attain faith until he refers to the Messenger for judgment IN ALL MATTERS. Thereafter, whatever the Messenger commands, is the plain truth that must be submitted to inwardly and outwardly. Allah said&#8230;

Mbaya hakuwa na kinga na mapepo wachawi walimpiga majinn mahaba...halafu ndi ohuyu mnayempaisha hapa..Tunaomba majibu halafu turudi ktk thread ya Yericko Nyerere. otherwise naomba mhusika achukue jukumu la moderation.. na kuanza warudisha watu ktk thread ..kwani imeshafunguka sana..sasa ni kuanza ibana kwenye fikra specific

 

[Nicholas]

yesu ndo hakuwa subira,we unadhani kwanini alipenda sana kwenda pale bethania?.

Alikua akienda kwa kina martha,hao walikua mabinti ambao wakiishi na kaka yao lazaro.
Licha ya yesu kuwa karibu sana na lazaro baada ya kile kinachodaiwa kumfufua.
Pia yesu alikua karibu sana na mary kiasi cha martha kusikia wivu na kumlalamikia yesu ambae aliendelea kumtetea mary.
Ilifikia hatua yesu akienda pale kwao,mary alikua habanduki pembeni ya yesu kiasi cha kumwachia kazi zote za kuandaa chakula martha.
Huo ukaribu wa yesu na mary unaonyesha yesu hakua na subira hata kidogo.
Kama vile haitoshi yesu pia alimpenda sana mwanafunzi mmojawapo kiasi cha kupakatana kila wanapokua wamerelax,huyu ndie mwanafunzi aliekua akimwegemea yesu kifuani always.

Haha..by the way Hata km Yesu angehitaji kuoa bado isngekuwa shida ktk Ukristu...na sioni wapi roho inakuuma wakati mohamed alikuwa 11+ yeti bado alikuwa na vimada na Majinn mahaba kibao..nini kipo embarassing zaidi..?Mbona upo obsessed sana Yesu?Ulitaka mohamed aongezee ili pate 30 kufikia speed limit yake?Au uliambiwa Martha alikuwa mzuri sana hukutaka Yesu achukue akipenda?

AU NDIO UNATAKA KIRI KUWA YESU ALIKUWA MUNGU NA HIVYO HAKUHITAJI NGONO KM MLIVYOTAFSIRI..NILIONA UKALIW ENU MLIPOAMBIWA KUWA YESU NI MWANA WA MUNGU.NI KWA VILE MNAHUSISHA KILA KITU NA NGONO.

nadhani wewe ni mhuni uliyejifunza mambo kijuu juu au ndio unafungua unafiki wa waislam ktk habari za Yesu...ni km CCM kusema issue za CDM ....Yaani uislam umeweka Yesu wa version yao ili kuwapromote ila si Yesu si wa Spirit yenu.Ndio maana Mnamtukama kuliko hata ambao hawamtambui..

 

[Nicholas]

siwezi kujibu issue ambayo sijawahi kuisikia labda nikuulize tena.

Siku warumi wanakuja kumkamata yesu,walimkurupusha akiwa na lazaro ambae alikua ndani ya kanga moko huku akiwa mtupu ndani.
Lazaro alikimbia wakajaribu kumkamata akawaponyoka na kutoka mbio akiwa uchi wa mnyama akiwaachia kanga mikononi.
Kilikua kinaendelea nini hapo.

Then hukustahili jiingiza ktk huu mjadala..rudi shule...km unataka rudia rudi juu ukajisomee..Km huelewe ni wazi umekuja ti anajisi tuu hapa.

 

[Nicholas]

Naomba majibu hapa: Kati ya allah na mohamed nani ni Mtumwa wa mwezie?Km haya yalifanyika.
-Aya zilishushwa pale mohamed anataka,kitu kw amaslahi yake.Km pale alipotaka Ziad amwache mke.Na baadaye ikashuka aya kuwa amwoe huyo mke wa mwanae wa kufikia.Pia aya kumchukua Aisha pamoja na kuwa babake alijitetea...

-Aya za kuhalalisha matendo ya muhamad.kumuoa mke wa Ziad, kutumia mawe kuchamba, kuchukua al kaabar

-Aya za kuwanyima wengine...km aya ya kuzia waislam wasiwaoe wake zake km atakufa.

Km allah amekuwa busy kukat akiu ya tamaa za muhamed nani ni master na nani ni slave?



Kati ya waislam na muhamad nani mtume wa mwingine:Hadith ya binadamu kubeba punda,badla ya kupanda punda.

-waislam wanatakiwa kufa kulinda heshima ya muhamad na si muhamad kufa kulinda heshima yake ambayo imeharibika sana kwa hadith zake.

-waislam wanapotakiwa mswalia mtume na si mtume kuwaswalia wao...

 

[Nicholas]

Yericko Nyerere tuendelee mkuu..kuangalia nini serikali inaweza fanya ili kutofanya political correctness ktk issue ambayo tayari ni volatile.Na wahusika ndio hawa tunaojadili nao huku wakichechemea..

 

[Nonda]

Sasa unabishana nini....Kristu ndio mwl...na Ukristu ni Ufuasi wake na Wakristu ni wafuasi wake.

Ufuasi na kuabudu ni maana sawa? moja? Wakristo wanamwabudu Yesu kama Mungu. link https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...-refugees-god-bless-israel-3.html#post7201317 Yesu mwenyewe aliabudu Mungu ambaye alimwita, the only true God. they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"John 20:17
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.1 Corinthians 8:6 Zingatia maneno, from na through. Abraham alikuwa na wafuasi ambao walimwabudu Mungu wa Abraham. Moses alikuwa na wafuasi ambao hawakumwabudu Moses lakini walimwabudu Mungu wa Moses. Je wafuasi wa Yesu wanamwabudu nani?

 

[Nicholas]

Ufuasi na kuabudu ni maana sawa? moja? Wakristo wanamwabudu Yesu kama Mungu. link https://www.jamiiforums.com/interna...-refugees-god-bless-israel-3.html#post7201317 Yesu mwenyewe aliabudu Mungu ambaye alimwita, the only true God. they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.John 17:3 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"John 20:17
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.1 Corinthians 8:6 Zingatia maneno, from na through. Abraham alikuwa na wafuasi ambao walimwabudu Mungu wa Abraham. Moses alikuwa na wafuasi ambao hawakumwabudu Moses lakini walimwabudu Mungu wa Moses. Je wafuasi wa Yesu wanamwabudu nani?

But Yesu is more than Moses....Moses hakuitwa NENO...wala hakuwa NENO..Tafuta maana ya NENO ktk BIBLIA.Yesu mwenyewe alikiri...kwa kusema Sifa ambazo zilianza inua kichaa cha wayahudi ambao sifa fulani fulani zilikuwa kwa Mungu tuu ,mwingine akijipa ni kuufuru na mziki wake wanaujua.Yesu alionja hiyo ingawa aliwazidi kwa hoja.Na baadaye kupita ktk mtaa salama kwa vile walikuwabilina naye.

-"Before Abraham was, I AMBefore Abraham was, I Am. In John 8:58,
-John 11:25.Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

-I AM the light of the world,","I AM the only way to God,",or, "I AM the "truth.,These and several other of his claims were preceded by the sacred words for God, "I AM" (ego eimi)..



Yesu ni Mwana wa Mungu..(Mtoto wa binadamu ni binadamu, kwa hivyo ni wa asili ya babake..naye alisema katumwa na babake)


[SUP]27 [/SUP]"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.


Yesu anayo mamlaka:


[SUP]28 [/SUP]"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy and my burden is light

Unadhani ni kwanini Yesu alisema ukimwona Yeye umemwona babake?Kabla ya kuwakumbusha kuwa pia kuabudu ni hiari ya mtu kuabudi hata binadamu mwenzio ni hiari ya mtu na Mungu wake.....km hujamwingilia mwingine..na hayo yote utaamua mwenyewe km yatakupekaje ktk next life km unaamini ipo.

 

[Nonda]

But Yesu is more than Moses....Moses hakuitwa NENO...wala hakuwa NENO..Tafuta maana ya NENO ktk BIBLIA.....

Ndugu Nicholas, wewe ni mfuasi wa Yesu?
Je unamwabudu Yesu?
Au unamwabudu Mungu wa Yesu?
Umezunguka sana na kusema Yesu is more than Moses. Unataka kusema kuwa "more than" maana yake ni Mungu?

Je wewe ni katika wanaoamini utatu mtakatifu?

Pata shule hapa:

 

[Nonda]

But Yesu is more than Moses....Moses hakuitwa NENO...wala hakuwa NENO..Tafuta maana ya NENO ktk BIBLIA......
Yesu anayo mamlaka:
.......
Unadhani ni kwanini Yesu alisema ukimwona Yeye umemwona babake?.......

 

[mjasiria]

hawa jamaa dini yao ipo vey trick na kuna vitu imeweka impossible kwa waislma kubreak km hawana rehema ya Mungu iwaitayo....

Hawa jamaa wanapinga misingi mikuu ya Yesu kwa stori za ajabu sana....wanaanza sifia mapenzi ya Mungu kwa Yesu ili watie uzito uongo kuwa Mungu asingeweza kubaki Yesu afe kwa hiyo akawapiga changa la macho wayahudi.N ahivyo wadai kuwa Yesu hakufa na Hivyo Ukristu unakuwa umebomolea...Km Shetani alivyomjaribu Yesu kw akumtaka ajirushe Ili Mungu atume malaika mwokoa Prince wake.Kwanza hapo shetani tuu alikiri.

Hata kwa wayahudi uislam unaanza kumtambua Abrahamu ili wapate surpport ya kumbadilisha Isack mtoto wa ahadi na halali ktk ndoa yenye baraka za Mungu na mtoto Haramu Ismail.Kitu cha kwanza ktk uislam ..Huu ni unafiki na kutoaminika kwa uislam.

-Mtoto haranu Ismail anapewa urithi ....kitu ambcho si uislam, wengine wanakwenda mbali saidia Quran kudanganya na kujivunja yenyewe, kuwa ndoa yake ilifungwa na Mke mkubwa.....halfu pia Kwa Yesu tena wanampa baba mwanamke.....That is islam ambayo ipo ktk vita na kila kitu incuding itself.

Kwa hiyo wewe unakubali na kuwa na baba wa imani mzinzi???!! Kwa mujibu wa maelezo yako Ismaili ni mtoto wa haramu..........Hii akili au tope, yaani mtu unamuita baba wa imani halafu mzinzi???!!!!!

 

[mjasiria]

Yohan alikuwa gerezani by the time Yesu anaanza Ministries yake.Ingawa alimbatiza n akuon amaajabu hakuona kazi yake hata moja baadaye.Yohana alibatiza mamia ya watu kwa siku..ingawa alishtuka kumfikia Yesu ila hakujua alielekea wapi baada ya hapo..na siku alipoanza sikia habari alitak ajua kuwa ni yule aliyetumwa na yeye kumbatiza au ?

Ila nyie jamaa kiboko, kwa hiyo Yohana alimbatiza Mungu.......seriously???!!!! Aisee ni bora hata muendelee kutambika tu.

 

[mjasiria]

Hapo kwenye red ni unafiki haikuvunjwa na sio EAG ni EAGT na ilikuwa ni uchaguzi Moses Kolola alishindwa
kwenye uchaguzi na Lazaro hakukubaliana na matokeo ndio akaanzisha kanisa lake la EAGT.

Wacha uongo bwana mdogo mbona huzungumzii yaliyotokea Meru wakigombea dayosisi au walikuwa ni
waislamu wanagombana watu walivyokuwa na roho mbaya wali kata mpaka migomba na kuua ng'ombe
dah kweli nyani haoni .........!

Mkuu hawa vilaza akili zao wameshikiwa na CNN unafikiri hata wanaona na kufikiri vizuri. Kule Ireland ya kaskazini nako sijui kuna waislamu???!!!

 

[mjasiria]

Mkuu elungata hapa utakesha!
Huyu mparokia wa mwanza sasa hivi ataanza kukuita sijui kilaza. Mbulula. Huna akili. Una majini!
Yaani adabu yake ktk mahojiano ni ndogo sana!
Halafu unapojaribu kumregebisha anajifanya kukwepa!
Mi zamani nilikuwa namuona ana maana! Lkn nilifanya makosa kudhani hivyo!

Mkuu kuna kipindi mimi pia nilidhani Eiyer ni mtu ambaye anaweza kuangalia mambo objectively, kumbe wapi mule mule tu. Sasa mtu anapewa link hata kabla ya kusoma anatoa lugha za ajabu. Well hata kama link ni za hovyo jibu hoja basi waaaaapi povu tu.

Mkuu Eiyer nilikuwa nakuona wa maana sana lakini nimeanza kugundua kwa nini kuna watu wanaamini dini zinafunga akili za watu, obviously ni kwa sababu ya watu kama wewe.

 

[kahtaan]

But Yesu is more than Moses....Moses hakuitwa NENO...wala hakuwa NENO..Tafuta maana ya NENO ktk BIBLIA.Yesu mwenyewe alikiri...kwa kusema Sifa ambazo zilianza inua kichaa cha wayahudi ambao sifa fulani fulani zilikuwa kwa Mungu tuu ,mwingine akijipa ni kuufuru na mziki wake wanaujua.Yesu alionja hiyo ingawa aliwazidi kwa hoja.Na baadaye kupita ktk mtaa salama kwa vile walikuwabilina naye.

-“Before Abraham was, I AMBefore Abraham was, I Am. In John 8:58,
-John 11:25.Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

-I AM the light of the world,”,“I AM the only way to God,”,or, “I AM the “truth.,These and several other of his claims were preceded by the sacred words for God, “I AM” (ego eimi)..



Yesu ni Mwana wa Mungu..(Mtoto wa binadamu ni binadamu, kwa hivyo ni wa asili ya babake..naye alisema katumwa na babake)


[SUP]27 [/SUP]“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.


Yesu anayo mamlaka:


[SUP]28 [/SUP]“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy and my burden is light

Unadhani ni kwanini Yesu alisema ukimwona Yeye umemwona babake?Kabla ya kuwakumbusha kuwa pia kuabudu ni hiari ya mtu kuabudi hata binadamu mwenzio ni hiari ya mtu na Mungu wake.....km hujamwingilia mwingine..na hayo yote utaamua mwenyewe km yatakupekaje ktk next life km unaamini ipo.

Ngoja nikwambie mchawi wenu nyie wagalatia!
Anaitwa PAULO!!
Huyu nabii wa uongo aliyejipa unabii mwenyewe BILA HATA YA KUKUTANA NA YESU! NDIE ALIYEANZA KUMUITA YESU MUNGU!! NA MWANA WA MUNGU , NA UTATU MTAKATIFU UMEANZIA HAPA!!

Sasa nyie hamjaulizi kuwa maandiko yoote kabla ya huyu PAULO HAYA YESU KUITWA MUNGU HATA KIDOGO!
Baada ya kuja kwake tu.! Yesu katolewa kwenye utume na unabii! Akapewa cheo cha Uungu!
Na kama hamkuliona hilo basi tunawapa pole sana!
Manake mnaabudu mtu! Ambae yeye mwenyewe amesema ametumwa na Mungu!
Mnapoteza muda wenu mwiingi kuabudu kisicho Mungu!

 

[Ritz]

Yericko Nyerere tuendelee mkuu..kuangalia nini serikali inaweza fanya ili kutofanya political correctness ktk issue ambayo tayari ni volatile.Na wahusika ndio hawa tunaojadili nao huku wakichechemea..

Vipi ubongo wa tembo umechoka tayari, umetupa tauro...teh teh teh!