Uthibitisho wa uwepo wa Mungu kisayansi

[hateeb10]

I understand your point of view but if the universe is perfectly engineered(which I don't think is true), then the one who perfectly engineered it must be the work of a more advanced engineer right?

As I answered Yesterday, I repeat again....... Almighty God is The Creator/Designer who brought all things into Existence, HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL ENGINEERS (Hence your question becomes Invalid)

Regarding whether the Universe is perfectly engineered or not., We may differ in perception but I'll give you some scientific evidence on how it's perfectly engineered to support our life:- 👇🏽

1. The Fundamental Constants: The universe has several fundamental constants, such as the speed of light, the gravitational constant, and the electromagnetic force. If these constants were even slightly different, the universe may not have been able to support life. For example, if the strong nuclear force that binds atoms together were weaker, atoms would not be stable enough to form complex molecules.
2. Fine-Tuning of Physical Parameters: The universe's physical parameters are finely tuned to allow for the formation of stars and planets, which are essential for life as we know it. For instance, the gravitational constant is just strong enough to form stars but not too strong to prevent planets from forming. Additionally, the size and age of the universe are also important factors in supporting life.
3. The Existence of Water: Water is essential for life as we know it, and the universe is rich in water. The presence of water on Earth is not a coincidence,
4. The Presence of Organic Molecules: Organic molecules, such as amino acids, are the building blocks of life. These molecules are found throughout the universe, including in comets, meteorites, and interstellar clouds.

etc.



So brother hypothalamus We need a strong faith to believe that all the conditions that supports life, from the sky to earth Was just happened accidentally.

Ahsante.

 

[hateeb10]

Kama kitu gan hakikutokea by chance in nature?
Kila kitu kimetokea by chance... milima, maziwa, mito, misitu etc... ukiangalia visiwa vile vinavotokana na volcanic eruptions utaona baadae life inaanza by chance tu. Ndege analeta mbegu mmea unaanza... mwisho wa siku inakua msitu. Wanyama wengine wanaanza kuja. Mwewe anadondosha nyoka aliekua anataga... ivoivo mpaka life inatokea, BY CHANCE

Daah Mkuu una Imani kubwa sana.... Yani hiyo kusema vitu vinatokea tu by chance ni Imani kubwa kuliko hata kumuamini Mungu

 

[hateeb10]

Kwahio dunia na viumbe vyake viliumbwa ndani ya wiki tu, kama kitabu cha mwanzo kinavosema?

Ndiyo,.. kama umeweza kuamini kwamba Dunia na viumbe wake wametokea tu by chance,.... Then unashindwa vipi kuamini kwamba Dunia na viumbe viliumbwa ndani ya siku sita tu?

 

[safuher]

Je, una wasiwasi na usahihi wa hoja za kisayansi?

Sitakiwi kujibu kwa jumla bali naweza kusema zipo hoja naona ni sahihi na zipo hoja ambazo sio sahihi.

Kwa sabbau wanasaysni nao ni watu hivyo kukosea katika hoja zao ni jambo linalowezekana.

 

[safuher]

Kama kitu gan hakikutokea by chance in nature?

Hauwezi kutumia hoja yenye mzozo kuondoa mzozo mkuu wangu,mzozo wetu hapa ni hizi nature tulizozikuta je zimetokea by chance au kuna ambaye kafanya haya (Mungu) ?

Sasa wewe unatumia hoja yenye mzozo(nature zimetokea by chance) alafu unataka hoja hiyo iondoe mzozo wa "nature zimetokea by chance au laa ?

Sote tunakubalia kwamba mambo haya ambayo sio nature kama magari,simu barabara yooote yamefanywa na binadamu,hapa sote tunakubaliana.

Ambapo hatukubaliani ni je hizi natural things zimetokea by chance ama ?

Sasa wewe hii ni hoja ya mzozo kimantiki hauwezi kuitumia kutatua mzozo wakati huo ndio mzozo wenyewe.

Kwa msingi huo hiyo yako sio hoja bali ni madai ambayo yanahitaji tafakuri nje ya hapo ili kupata msingi wa majibu sahihi.

 

[Mehmed II_The Conqueror]

If God created the universe, then who created God and who created the Creator of God?

These questions are often asked as a way to challenge the concept of a Devine being. but

What if I told you that the questions themselves are based on a flawed assumption, that assumption being that everything must have a beginning and an end.

We assume that God must have a beginning because everything we know of in this universe has a beginning but what if God exist outside of time and space.
What if God is the very fabric of existence itself.

The infinite source from which everything arises asking who created God is like asking what is North of the North Pole.

The question itself is meaningless, the answer lies not in our human understanding but in the acceptance of the mystery of existence.

 

[safuher]

Imani ya sayansi huwez linganisha na imani ya dini.

HOja yangu SIO kulinganisha imani ya sayansi na imani ya dini,BILA SHAKA hazilingani.

Ingekuwa zinafanana basi dini na sayansi ingekuwa kitu kimoja.

Hoja yangu ni kuonesha kwamba hizi zote ni imani na hata wewe unakubali hivyo pale uliposema "imsni ya sayansi na imani ya dini haziendani" kwa maana zote ni Imani.

Dini haina logic yyte

Kauli yako ni ya jumla sana,dini inayo logic labda wewe uwe specific katika mambo gani dini haina logic.

 

[crome20]

NIKO AMBAYE NIKO

 

[Kentsuhcy Wrudate]

Ndiyo,.. kama umeweza kuamini kwamba Dunia na viumbe wake wametokea tu by chance,.... Then unashindwa vipi kuamini kwamba Dunia na viumbe viliumbwa ndani ya siku sita tu?

Available data. Huwez kusema binadamu alico-exist na dinosaur.

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

1. Mkuu, kuhusu Mitochondria kuwa kwenye mwili wa viumbe hai concept yake ni kama viumbe hai wengine kama bacteria na kadhalika.
Najua ushawahi kujiuliza mfano funza Ndani ya Embe lililooza uhai ameutolea wapi lakini ukweli ni kwamba Mungu mwenyewe anasema amejaalia Kutokana na maji kila kitu kuwa hai.
Creator/Designer anasema hivi:-👇🏽
"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran 21:30)


SO, Hiyo ishu ya Mitochondria na tiny creatures wengine zinafanana kama tulivyo sisi binadamu uhai wetu designer ameufanya utokane na maji.

2. Kuhusu kuzuka wewe ndiyo ulisema viumbe wanazuka tu, sasa hivi umebadilisha kwamba Wana evolve.....japo kwa akili ya kawaida kama una support Evolution Theory kiumbe inabidi kizuke kwanza ili Evolution into another living being itokee( Au nasema uongo?)


3. Kama unajua brain ni mfumo, tena umekiri kwamba ni mfumo mgumu..... How come unasema mfumo kama huo wa ubongo umejizukia tu from nowhere?

Hivi unaelewa uhusiano wa Mitochondria na Uhai?

Creator/Designer anasema hivi:-👇🏽
"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran 21:30)

Hivi unatambua kule mwanzo kwenye Origin ya maisha ilikotokea?
sasa kama kila kiumbe kimeanza kwenye maji ile ya kusema akatamka na ikawa imetokea wapi?
pawe na wanyama wakawa chanzo chake ni kipi?
Huoni mnajicontradict wenyewe?

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

1. Mkuu, kuhusu Mitochondria kuwa kwenye mwili wa viumbe hai concept yake ni kama viumbe hai wengine kama bacteria na kadhalika.
Najua ushawahi kujiuliza mfano funza Ndani ya Embe lililooza uhai ameutolea wapi lakini ukweli ni kwamba Mungu mwenyewe anasema amejaalia Kutokana na maji kila kitu kuwa hai.
Creator/Designer anasema hivi:-👇🏽
"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran 21:30)


SO, Hiyo ishu ya Mitochondria na tiny creatures wengine zinafanana kama tulivyo sisi binadamu uhai wetu designer ameufanya utokane na maji.

2. Kuhusu kuzuka wewe ndiyo ulisema viumbe wanazuka tu, sasa hivi umebadilisha kwamba Wana evolve.....japo kwa akili ya kawaida kama una support Evolution Theory kiumbe inabidi kizuke kwanza ili Evolution into another living being itokee( Au nasema uongo?)


3. Kama unajua brain ni mfumo, tena umekiri kwamba ni mfumo mgumu..... How come unasema mfumo kama huo wa ubongo umejizukia tu from nowhere?

Kwa sababu brain sio mfumo ila sehemu ya mfumo wa fahamu.
kwa sababu ni muungano wa organi mbalimbali ndiozilizotengeza huo mfumoi na haiitaji kuwepo kwa designer.
kama yupo thibitisha?

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

Mkuu, Science ndiyo inasema Anga Inaendelea kutanuka.... Kama unabishana mpaka na Sayansi sawa..... But read it on your own siwezi kukulazimisha.

Kumbuka, wanaposema Ulimwengu unatanuka huwezi uka exclude Anga.....

ANGA kwa tafsiri yako ni nini?

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

Just imagin if light could have mass.
Hebu toka nje uangalie mwanga. Fikiria huo mwanga upo na mass.
Je vipi kuhusu photosynthesis?
Hebu fikiria kuhusu gravitation force kwamba mwange could be affected by gravity.

Fikiria sasa hiyo mass ya huo mwanga. Kumbuka tu ukinyesehwa mvua unaona matokeo yake because ndani ya maji kuna mass.

Just imagin mwanga tungeweza kuubeba.

Oh! Ni mambo mengi tu ya kuwaza kuhusu photons.

But uhalisia they don't have mass but they have momentum.

Tulishakubaliana kwamba mass and energy ni kitu kimoja in a different form.
LEGEND formula E=mc^2
E=hV
Ambayo uliconclude kuwa E=C .
Sasa tupo kwenye photons ambapo tumekubaliana it is Massless lakini inagain momentum yake kutoka kwenye frequency E=hc/f.

sasa tuendelee mkuu

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

Ili kitu kiwe na conscious inabidi kiwe vipi mkuu,?
ukishanijibu nitaweka vizuri hoja yangu

unajuaje kama energy yenyewe haina kumbukumbu mkuu ?

Kumbuka energy hatuongei nayo,so kama huongei nayo huwezi kujua kama ina kumbukumbu au laa.

So kusema tu kwamba energy haina kumbukumbu ama self awareness sio kweli kwa sababu hakuna evidence.

Mambo yote unayodhani yana kumbukumbu kama vile binadamu basi wanategemea energy katika kuweka kumbukumbu hizo.

So kama tunategemea energy kuwa na kumbukumbu basi bila shaka energy yenyewe ina kumbukumbu ya kujua nini inatakiwa ifanye ili kuipa neurons uwezo wa kukumbuka,

Unapozungumza kuna misuli ya uso ambayo inakumbukumbu ya kwamba ijivute vipi ili wewe upate kusema MAMA na usiseme MIMI.

so inahitaji hoja za kupinga kwamba energy haina consciousness au awareness ila unachofanya wewe mkuu unaweka KANUSHO bila kuweka hoja.

Embu acha vihoja kama jambo hulijui ni kheri ukubali ndio uungwana, miisuli ya uso kumbukumbu inatoa wapi?
Sasa mnataka kusema energy ni being?

Kwenye computer system inayotunza kumbukumbu ni energy au Cpu? Nenda kasome vizuri nini maana ya nishati?

 

[hateeb10]

Hivi unaelewa uhusiano wa Mitochondria na Uhai?

Creator/Designer anasema hivi:-👇🏽
"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Quran 21:30)

Hivi unatambua kule mwanzo kwenye Origin ya maisha ilikotokea?
sasa kama kila kiumbe kimeanza kwenye maji ile ya kusema akatamka na ikawa imetokea wapi?
pawe na wanyama wakawa chanzo chake ni kipi?
Huoni mnajicontradict wenyewe?

Kwa nnavyofahamu, Mitochondria ni miongoni mwa components muhimu zinazounda seli ya viumbe hai.

Kuhusu ishu ya Origin ya viumbe hai kwenye kuumbwa na jinsi Uumbaji unavyoendelea Kutokana na maji..., Sio kwamba Kuna contradiction yoyote, labda useme hujaelewa..

Ipo hivi huenda Mungu alivyoumba kwa kutamka tuchukulie mfano ameumba Kinyonga jike na dume... Hapo Kinyonga jike na dume Ili waendeleze Uhai itabidi maji yahusike kwenye maisha Yao kuanzia kunywa maji yenyewe, kula vyakula ambavyo vinatoka kwenye ardhi ambayo inarutubishwa na maji, na pia hata kwenye reproduction ya hivyo viumbe vinapo jamiana zile mbegu zinakua kwenye hali ya maji.


So, nimejaribu kufikiria hiyo concept ya Mungu kujaalia maji kama chanzo muhimu cha uhai wa viumbe.

Nadhani, tatizo kubwa ni kuamua kupinga.... Lakini ukiruhusu akili yako ifikirie bila negativity yoyote utaona inaingia akilini.

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

Mkuu Venus Star for your IQ na uwezo uliouonyesha kwenye hii nyuzi, najua Mungu/mungu wanaojaribu kumuelezea na mainstream religion unaona anakosa sifa hivyo kutaka kumlinganisha na nishati.

 

[MWANAHARAMU]

Kwa nnavyofahamu, Mitochondria ni miongoni mwa components muhimu zinazounda seli ya viumbe hai.

Kuhusu ishu ya Origin ya viumbe hai kwenye kuumbwa na jinsi Uumbaji unavyoendelea Kutokana na maji..., Sio kwamba Kuna contradiction yoyote, labda useme hujaelewa..

Ipo hivi huenda Mungu alivyoumba kwa kutamka tuchukulie mfano ameumba Kinyonga jike na dume... Hapo Kinyonga jike na dume Ili waendeleze Uhai itabidi maji yahusike kwenye maisha Yao kuanzia kunywa maji yenyewe, kula vyakula ambavyo vinatoka kwenye ardhi ambayo inarutubishwa na maji, na pia hata kwenye reproduction ya hivyo viumbe vinapo jamiana zile mbegu zinakua kwenye hali ya maji.


So, nimejaribu kufikiria hiyo concept ya Mungu kujaalia maji kama chanzo muhimu cha uhai wa viumbe.

Nadhani, tatizo kubwa ni kuamua kupinga.... Lakini ukiruhusu akili yako ifikirie bila negativity yoyote utaona inaingia akilini.

Then your out of point
Maisha yalianzia kwenye maji na fisrt unicellular kabla ya sisi Complex Multicellular kuivolve.
Maisha hayakuumbwa ila kuna mwamba alishawaeleza vizuri mkuu Wrudet.
Jike na dume imekuja kwenye cell specialization na division hakuna wala kiumbve kilichohusika kuumbe kingine

 

[hypothalamus]

As I answered Yesterday, I repeat again....... Almighty God is The Creator/Designer who brought all things into Existence, HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL ENGINEERS (Hence your question becomes Invalid)

Regarding whether the Universe is perfectly engineered or not., We may differ in perception but I'll give you some scientific evidence on how it's perfectly engineered to support our life:- 👇🏽

1. The Fundamental Constants: The universe has several fundamental constants, such as the speed of light, the gravitational constant, and the electromagnetic force. If these constants were even slightly different, the universe may not have been able to support life. For example, if the strong nuclear force that binds atoms together were weaker, atoms would not be stable enough to form complex molecules.
2. Fine-Tuning of Physical Parameters: The universe's physical parameters are finely tuned to allow for the formation of stars and planets, which are essential for life as we know it. For instance, the gravitational constant is just strong enough to form stars but not too strong to prevent planets from forming. Additionally, the size and age of the universe are also important factors in supporting life.
3. The Existence of Water: Water is essential for life as we know it, and the universe is rich in water. The presence of water on Earth is not a coincidence,
4. The Presence of Organic Molecules: Organic molecules, such as amino acids, are the building blocks of life. These molecules are found throughout the universe, including in comets, meteorites, and interstellar clouds.

etc.



So brother hypothalamus We need a strong faith to believe that all the conditions that supports life, from the sky to earth Was just happened accidentally.

Ahsante.

hizi hoja zilishapingwa na anthropic principle

 

[Venus Star]

Mkuu Venus Star for your IQ na uwezo uliouonyesha kwenye hii nyuzi, najua Mungu/mungu wanaojaribu kumuelezea na mainstream religion unaona anakosa sifa hivyo kutaka kumlinganisha na nishati.

Mimi sijaongelea sifa na Mungu anayetamkwa.
Mimi ninaongelea concept ya Powerful existence. Whatever the name they call it.

 

[hateeb10]

Then your out of point
Maisha yalianzia kwenye maji na fisrt unicellular kabla ya sisi Complex Multicellular kuivolve.
Maisha hayakuumbwa ila kuna mwamba alishawaeleza vizuri mkuu Wrudet.
Jike na dume imekuja kwenye cell specialization na division hakuna wala kiumbve kilichohusika kuumbe kingine

Mkuu, unajua Nini hizo unazosema wewe ni nadharia pia ni Imani,..lakini ukiambiwa uthibitishe ilivyokua hutoweza,

Aliyeumba ndiyo anajua aliumba vipi, na hata kama aliumba kutokana na maji yeye ndiyo anafahamu...,

Hata alivyosema kwamba aliumba kwa kauli tu, tukiambiwa tuelezee hiyo kauli ilikuaje ikaleta viumbe pia hatutoweza.
Lakini pia kama alivyosema kwamba amejaalia Kutokana na maji kila kiumbe kinakua hai.. tukiambiwa tuelezee kiundani zaidi hatutoweza.

Jiulize tu, How can you explain in details something which happened Millions of years ago?


Hitimisho ni kwamba Aliyeumba ndiyo anajua alifanyaje mpaka viumbe tuka exist. Mimi, Wewe, Wanasayansi, Masheikh, Mapadri, Monks, Na wengine wote tutabaki na maswali tu yasiyo na majibu.