Watanzania wapo kwenye njia panda baina ya Kiswahili na Kingereza

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Bongolala shindeni hapo. Hawa wachina wenyewe wanaelewa kingereza sana. Wanafunzi huko uchina siku hizi wanafunzwa kingereza kuanzia darasa la tatu.

Go to rural nyeri or rural ukambani and ask one of the locals to speak english 😀 Its an embarassement for kalejin atheletes who bearly speak any english. Its a fallacy that kenyans know english.
The only place in kenya that I know you will find fluent english speakers irrespective of their financial/academic background is Kisumu/siaya

 

[kennedy0000]

Halafu wakawaletea midude yao imeandikwa kichina teh haya nendeni pia mkasome kichina

Leta picha za hii midude ambazo zimeandikwa kichina pekee.
Imeandikwa kwa kichina na translation yake ya Kingereza/Kiswahili.
Hawa wachina ni kama wakenya tu, wanaongea lugha mbili.

Nyinyi hata hamuwezi pata kazi nje ya nchi.

 

[kennedy0000]

Go to rural nyeri or rural ukambani and ask one of the locals to speak english 😀 Its an embarassement for kalejin atheletes who bearly speak any english. Its a fallacy that kenyans know english.
The only place in kenya that I know you will find fluent english speakers irrespective of their financial/academic background is Kisumu/siaya

English is the medium of communication in Kenyan schools. We don't expect the old people who barely went to school to speak it.
But every child or young adult today speaks english in Kenya.
The levels of fluency vary depending on the school and the resources availed to them. Many kalenjin atheletes are usually from poor rural schools.

But the truth is, if those kalenjin athletes came to Tanzania, they would be among the best English speakers in the country.

All in all 90% of Kenya's working class can communicate in perfectly understandable English. Huko Tanzania the number is 0.1%.

 

[kennedy0000]

Go to rural nyeri or rural ukambani and ask one of the locals to speak english 😀 Its an embarassement for kalejin atheletes who bearly speak any english. Its a fallacy that kenyans know english.
The only place in kenya that I know you will find fluent english speakers irrespective of their financial/academic background is Kisumu/siaya

The only place you'll find Tanzanians speaking English ni hapa JF. Na bado kimeharibika.

 

[pingli-nywee]

Go to rural nyeri or rural ukambani and ask one of the locals to speak english 😀 Its an embarassement for kalejin atheletes who bearly speak any english. Its a fallacy that kenyans know english.
The only place in kenya that I know you will find fluent english speakers irrespective of their financial/academic background is Kisumu/siaya

You are talking about retirees and cofee farmers like you. Not this current upcoming generation. I wish there was more input and effort to improve swahili and how it is used. Personally, I prefer swahili!

 

[kennedy0000]

Hivi sisi (Tanzania) Kiingereza ni cha nini wakati Uingereza iko kilomita zaidi ya 10,764+ toka Tanzania. Hatuhitaji lugha za kikoloni ili tuendelee, tuboreshe elimu yetu tutafika tu. Kwani China, Japan, na nchi zingine huko Asia wamefikaje? Kiingereza si kila kitu, hatukihitaji hata kidogo.LAZIMA tuondokane na ujinga wa kubeza lugha za watu, waangalieni wapuuzi wacameroon jinsi wanavyouana kugombania lugha za watawala wao (Kifaransa na kiingereza). Ni ujinga sana huu.

Wajinga ndio waliwao. Hizo China na Japan unataja zina wengi sana wanaoongea kingereza.
Wewe ukiskia kingereza unaona tu England ambayo umesema iko 10,764 kilomita mbali. Huoni hizo nchi za karibu, kama Zimbabwe, Botswana, South Africa etc.

 

[Omary Ndama]

Kumekua na mjadala Tanzania unaoratibiwa na taasisi inayofahamika kama Hakielimu, ajenda kuu ni ipi lugha ambayo itumike kwenye kufanikisha elimu, baina ya Kiswahili na Kingereza. Baadhi ya waliotetea Kingereza waliwashutumu ambao wanakitetea Kiswahili kwamba wao ni wanafiki, maana watoto wao wanasoma kwenye shule za English medium na kuongea Kingereza halafu huku wale wa saint Kayumba wanaambiwa wakomae na Kiswahili.

Hili nimewahi kulisema humu, Watanzania matajiri au walio kwenye uongozi wao huhakikisha watoto wao wanasoma kwenye shule zinazofundishwa na aidha Wakenya, Waganda au za kimataifa na lugha ya kingereza inatumika pale, halafu walalahoi wengi wanaambiwa wawe wazalendo na kukomaa na Kiswahili.
Ukiangalia matangazo ya ajira Tanzania, hususan kwenye ngazi za uongozi au management utakuta humo wanachomekea kwamba wanakusudia muombaji lazima awe na uwezo wa kuzungumza Kingereza tena kwa ufasaha. Hii huwavunja moyo wale wa saint Kayumba maana wao na Kingereza hawaendani....

Mnafaa kuiga Wakenya, sisi tunaongea lugha zote, kwanza tunaenzi zetu za asili halafu pia tunakipenda Kiswahili lakini Kingereza huwa hatuchezi mbali nacho maana ndio lugha ya dunia, Mchina, Mrusi, Mjapani, Mwarabu, Mhindi n.k. wote wako mbioni kujiboresha kwenye lugha ya kingereza, wewe maskini Mswahili umejifungia ndani ya lugha moja halafu ukiulizwa unajitetea kwa kuwataja hao Wachina na Wajapani ilhali kwako huna hata kiwanda cha sindano.
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Dar es Salaam. Tanzania is apparently at the crossroads over which language between Kiswahili and English to use as the medium of instruction. This became more evident in Dar es Salaam yesterday when experts failed to reach a consensus on the topic during a debate, which was organised by Hakielimu, a non-governmental organisation, which specialises in education issues.

The pro-English group believes that their pro-Kiswahili counterparts were supporting the widely spoken language in the country for personal gains.
Swahili or English? Tanzania education experts differ on medium

Naunga mkono hoja mitaala yote ya elimu iandikwe kwa lugha ya kiswahili, kiingereza kibaki kuwa somo kama somo lingine tu,la sivyo Kama hawabadilishi watangaze Taifa letu liwe kiingereza ndo lugha ya Taifa,

 

[joto la jiwe]

English is the medium of communication in Kenyan schools. We don't expect the old people who barely went to school to speak it.
But every child or young adult today speaks english in Kenya.
The levels of fluency vary depending on the school and the resources availed to them. Many kalenjin atheletes are usually from poor rural schools.

But the truth is, if those kalenjin athletes came to Tanzania, they would be among the best English speakers in the country.

All in all 90% of Kenya's working class can communicate in perfectly understandable English. Huko Tanzania the number is 0.1%.

Actually debate inayoendelea hapa Tanzania ni kwamba hata university tutumie kiswahili badala ya English. Be informed that we have our own language, we don't need foreign language to dominate our lives. Kenya is a confused country, huku mnasema Kiswahili ndiyo lugha ya taifa lakini shughuli zote za kitaifa zinafanyika kwa kiingereza, nini maana ya lugha ya taifa?, ni sawa na kusema pesa ya Kenya ni KS lakini matumizi nchini Kenya yafanyike kwa kutumia USD, does it make sense?

 

[pingli-nywee]

Actually debate inayoendelea hapa Tanzania ni kwamba hata university tutumie kiswahili badala ya English. Be informed that we have our own language, we don't need foreign language to dominate our lives. Kenya is a confused country, huku mnasema Kiswahili ndiyo lugha ya taifa lakini shughuli zote za kitaifa zinafanyika kwa kiingereza, nini maana ya lugha ya taifa?, ni sawa na kusema pesa ya Kenya ni KS lakini matumizi nchini Kenya yafanyike kwa kutumia

Kuuliza sio ujinga jombaa. Kiswahili Kenya kinatumika bungeni, na ofisi zote za serikali. Kuna wabunge ambao hawajawahi wasilisha hoja kwa lugha nyingine isipokuwa kiswahili. Ni mara ngapi umemsikia rais Uhuru akisoma hotuba kwa kiswahili kwanza kwa alafu kiingereza baadaye?

 

[Roman Empire]

Mchina, Mrusi, Mjapani, Mwarabu, Mhindi n.k. wote wako mbioni kujiboresha kwenye lugha ya kingereza, wewe maskini Mswahili umejifungia ndani ya lugha moja halafu ukiulizwa unajitetea kwa kuwataja hao Wachina na Wajapani ilhali kwako huna hata kiwanda cha sindano.
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Hapa mkuu umenena tunanunua magari zile manual zipo kijapan tunabaki kushangaa Picha tu. Alafu atuna product tunayopeleka ili tuweze kutangaza swahili language...

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

You are talking about retirees and cofee farmers like you. Not this current upcoming generation. I wish there was more input and effort to improve swahili and how it is used. Personally, I prefer swahili!

Are atheletes Retirees? Have you seen them speak "english" with international media? Its an embarassment 😀

 

[eliakeem]

Uswahili na Mswahili vilianzia Pwani, wengine wote mlidakia tu, unakuta mtu hujui kuongea lugha yako ya asili hata salamu kisa unaona ushamba, eti kuongea Kiswahili pekee yake ndio unajiona mjanja, kwa uzembe hutaki kujifunza lugha yoyote nyingine, ukisikia mtu anaongea kingereza unamuita mtumwa, akiongea lugha ya asili unamuita mshamba, halafu hata uandishi wenu wa Kiswahili huwa majanga.
Hamna kitu cha ovyo kwamba uwe una uandishi wa ovyo kwenye Kiswahili, halafu kingereza hukijui, lugha ya asili huijui, huna lugha hata moja uliyoimudu, unakua kama zombi.

Jenga hoja acha hisia.
Haya twende taratiibu. Nini maana ya lugha? Lingine umesema waTanzania hakuna lugha tunayoijua (Katika zile lugha tatu). Najua hapo huna ushahidi. Nakushauri kasome kitabu cha Martha Qorro "the Myth of English vs education".
Also "the language of instruction in Tanzania and South Africa".
Hususan hicho cha Kwanza, Vinaonesha jinsi Tanzania ilivyokikuza kiswahili nchi mzima. Hivi kwamba watu wa nchi hii wanajifaidi (natumia neno la kiswahili cha Kenya, lkn kiswahili standard ni kufaidika) na lugha hii kwa kuleta umoja licha ya kuwa na makabila mengi na ukubwa wa nchi. Inaendelea kusema kiswahili kimekua na kukita mizizi, hivi KWAMBA karibu WANANCHI wote wanaongea kiswahili kwa ufasaha. Hivi kwa mkazi wa eneo lolote la nchi anaweza akaishi popote katika NCHI hii. Hata kipindi cha uchaguzi wanasiasa wanapiga kampeni kwa uhuru mkubwa bila KUWA NA mipaka ya lugha. Tofauti na nchi zingine kama Msumbiji, Uganda na hata Kenya WANANCHI hawajafunganishwa na lugha moja. Mfano katika NCHI hizo nilizozisema wanasiasa wanahitaji kuwa na mkalimani kipindi cha kampeni wakienda maeneo AMBAYO hawajui lugha ya mkoloni au lugha nyingine inayoongewa na watu wengi. Mfano mwaka jana rais Uhuru Kenyatta alivyoenda kwenye kampeni kajiado, ILIBIDI amtumie Edward Lowassa amsaidie kampeni, maana alitumia lugha ambayo inagusa mioyo ya wapiga kura ili awashawishi. Vivyo hivyo rais Nyusi naye alitumia wakalimani maeneo AMBAYO walikuwa hawaongei kireno. Hilo linakufanya kuwa mgeni ndani ya NCHI yako.
Hitimisho, kwa hatua ilivyofikia sasa, JINSI kiswahili kilivyokita mizizi. Ni dhahili shahili kiswahili kitumike kwa masomo yote na ngazi zote.
Pia nimefurahi pia kusikia kamisheni ya kiswahili ya Afrika Mashariki, AMBAYO makao makuu yake yapo ZANZIBAR, iko kwenye mkakati wa kuhakikisha kiswahili kinapewa UZITO unaostahili. Muitikio ni mzuri sana. Sudan ya Kusini inafikiria kuanzisha mitaala ya kufundishia kiswahili katika shule za msingi. Kiswahili kinasonga MBELE.

 

[pingli-nywee]

Are atheletes Retirees? Have you seen them speak "english" with international media? Its an embarassment 😀

Embarrassment? So now you think english is the sh#t? After bashing Kenyans for speaking about Tanzanians and their english? I have this feeling that you are a very confused fellow. Free advice, just be yourself, there are no socialites on Jf. F.Y.I. I likened you to coffee farmers because your english is always in the I.C.U.

 

[kennedy0000]

Actually debate inayoendelea hapa Tanzania ni kwamba hata university tutumie kiswahili badala ya English. Be informed that we have our own language, we don't need foreign language to dominate our lives. Kenya is a confused country, huku mnasema Kiswahili ndiyo lugha ya taifa lakini shughuli zote za kitaifa zinafanyika kwa kiingereza, nini maana ya lugha ya taifa?, ni sawa na kusema pesa ya Kenya ni KS lakini matumizi nchini Kenya yafanyike kwa kutumia USD, does it make sense?

Hapa Kenya, Kiswahili ni lugha ya taifa. 99% ya biashara zote reja reja, pamoja na day to day conversation huwa kiswahili.
Kingereza ni lugha ya ofisi.
Jifunze kutofautisha.

Kama vile USD ni pesa ya kimataifa. Kenya tunatumia shilingi yetu, lakini biashara ikilazimisha, tunatumia dola.

Nyinyi bongolala mtaishi tu hivo. Lakini ukweli ni kwamba waliojiweza kati yenu wameleta watoto wao wasomee Kenya, ama kuwapeleka shule za kimataifa huko Tanzania.

 

[kennedy0000]

Are atheletes Retirees? Have you seen them speak "english" with international media? Its an embarassment 😀

Toa ujinga. These athletes you're talking about are interviewed and later quoted by international media.
Meaning what they said was understood. That's the point of communication.

And there is only one video of a Kenyan athlete who was completely unable to express himself in English. This is the one which went viral.
All the others actually speak very good and comprehensible English. Their interviews are all over Youtube you can go check.

 

[MK254]

Jenga hoja acha hisia.
Haya twende taratiibu. Nini maana ya lugha? Lingine umesema waTanzania hakuna lugha tunayoijua (Katika zile lugha tatu). Najua hapo ushahidi. Nakushauri kasome kitabu cha Martha Qorro "the Myth of English vs education".
Also "the language of instruction in Tanzania and South Africa".
Hususan hicho cha Kwanza, Vinaonesha jinsi Tanzania ilivyokikuza kiswahili nchi mzima. Hivi kwamba watu wa nchi hii wanajifaidi (natumia neno la kiswahili cha Kenya, lkn kiswahili standard ni kufaidika) na lugha hii kwa kuleta umoja licha ya kuwa na makabila mengi na ukubwa wa nchi. Inaendelea kusema kiswahili kimekua na kukita mizizi, hivi KWAMBA karibu WANANCHI wote wanaongea kiswahili kwa ufasaha. Hivi kwa mkazi wa eneo lolote la nchi anaweza akaishi popote katika NCHI hii. Hata kipindi cha uchaguzi wanasiasa wanapiga kampeni kwa uhuru mkubwa bila KUWA NA mipaka ya lugha. Tofauti na nchi zingine kama Msumbiji, Uganda na hata Kenya WANANCHI hawajafunganishwa na lugha moja. Mfano katika NCHI hizo nilizozisema wanasiasa wanahitaji kuwa na mkalimani kipindi cha kampeni wakienda maeneo AMBAYO hawajui lugha ya mkoloni au lugha nyingine inayoongewa na watu wengi. Mfano mwaka jana rais Uhuru Kenyatta alivyoenda kwenye kampeni kajiado, ILIBIDI amtumie Edward Lowassa amsaidie kampeni, maana alitumia lugha ambayo inagusa mioyo ya wapiga kura ili awashawishi. Vivyo hivyo rais Nyusi naye alitumia wakalimani maeneo AMBAYO walikuwa hawaongei kireno. Hilo linakufanya kuwa mgeni ndani ya NCHI yako.
Hitimisho, kwa hatua ilivyofikia sasa, JINSI kiswahili kilivyokita mizizi. Ni dhahili shahili kiswahili kitumike kwa masomo yote na ngazi zote.
Pia nimefurahi pia kusikia kamisheni ya kiswahili ya Afrika Mashariki, AMBAYO makao makuu yake yapo ZANZIBAR, iko kwenye mkakati wa kuhakikisha kiswahili kinapewa UZITO unaostahili. Muitikio ni mzuri sana. Sudan ya Kusini inafikiria kuanzisha mitaala ya kufundishia kiswahili katika shule za msingi. Kiswahili kinasonga MBELE.

Nmesema uandishi wenu wa Kiswahili huwa majanga, soma mada nyingi humu jinsi wengi huwa mnaandika, halafu zingatia kwamba huyo mwandishi ni Mtanzania wa kawaida ambaye sote tunafahamu hajui kuongea lugha yake ya asili na pia Kingereza hakijui. Ni jambo la maana na muhimu kuhakikisha upo vizuri kwa walau lugha mbili, sio uwe mbumbumbu uliyefungiwa ndani ya lugha moja.

Halafu hapo umesema Kenya, nafikiri ulidanganywa, labda ukute mzee wa zamani sana kijijini ndiye hajui Kiswahili, lakini wengi wanakijua ila pia wanaenzi lugha zao za asili. Ukiona rais amekwenda sehemu na kumtumia mtu wa pale kuzungumza nao, sio kwamba hawatamuelewa akiongea Kiswahili, lakini utakuta huyo anayetumiwa anayo umaarufu fulani kwa watu wa pale, na pia akiongea nao kwa lugha yao ya asili wanapata ushawishi mkubwa.

Lugha ni muhimu katika kuunganisha watu, na ndio maana kingereza kimesaidia pakubwa duniani katika mawasiliano ya kibiashara baina ya watu wa kutokea asilia tofauti. Kipindi fulani nilikua na mradi hapo Tanzania ambapo timu yetu ilikua na wahandisi Wachina, Wamarekani, Mnigeria, Watanzania na Wahindi lakini tuliwasiliana kikazi kwa kutumia Kingereza, kilituleta pamoja.
Sasa leo mkijifanya wajuaji eti mnaogopa Kingereza kisa kinawashinda, hadi viongozi wenu wanaogopa kutoka na kusingizia matumizi, mtaendelea kubaki nyuma kwenye umaskini licha ya nchi yenu kuwa na kila kitu, mnajikuta madini kama Tanzanite hayahusishwi na Tanzania hata mkiweka ukuta unaofika binguni.

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Embarrassment? So now you think english is the sh#t? After bashing Kenyans for speaking about Tanzanians and their english? I have this feeling that you are a very confused fellow. Free advice, just be yourself, there are no socialites on Jf. F.Y.I. I likened you to coffee farmers because your english is always in the I.C.U.

I told you am a mathematician not an english teacher. This is JF where 90% of my audience understand my "every broken" english I write. They have not complained so am pretty much ok.
PS: The only Coffee farmers left in kenya are wealthy ranch owners with hectares of land. The small scale farmers uprooted their coffee along time ago,But thanks for the observation 😀

 

[pingli-nywee]

I told you am a mathematician not an english teacher. This is JF where 90% of my audience understand my "every broken" english I write. They have not complained so am pretty much ok.
PS: The only Coffee farmers left in kenya are wealthy ranch owners with hectares of land. The small scale farmers uprooted their coffee along time ago,But thanks for the observation 😀

Your audience. Ooookey psycho. Maybe they uprooted coffee in the village in your head. Small scale coffee farms and co-operatives are still the biggest producers of coffee in Kenya. Try pulling another better 'fact' out of your ass. How comes your Swahili is even worse than your english. Are you from Bunjumbura?

 

[Mkikuyu- Akili timamu]

Your audience. Ooookey psycho. Maybe they uprooted coffee in the village in your head. Small scale coffee farms and co-operatives are still the biggest producers of coffee in Kenya. Try pulling another better 'fact' out of your ass. How comes your Swahili is even worse than your english. Are you from Bunjumbura?

You are angry I busted your fake theory that kenyans know english while their star athletes blubber broken "kale english" Not withstanding the fact that these athletes are the cream of their villages with access to education and wealthy learned friends as companions. What of the less privillaged villagers? how is their english 😀
Kula aibu yako. Stop bending away from the topic

 

[pingli-nywee]

You are angry I busted your fake theory that kenyans know english while their star athletes blubber broken "kale english" Not withstanding the fact that these athletes are the cream of their villages with access to education and wealthy learned friends as companions. What of the less privillaged villagers? how is their english 😀
Kula aibu yako. Stop bending away from the topic

I am not the one who said Kenyans speak better English than everyone else. Neither did I mention athletes anywhere. Take a deep breath, arrange your thoughts in a coherent manner, search for whoever you want to quote and come back afresh. Cool?