Yesu si Mungu, Paulo ana kesi ya kujibu

Yesu si Mungu, Paulo ana kesi ya kujibu

Status
Not open for further replies.
Kitabu hicho ulichonukuu nani alikiandika ??? Mnaandika vitabu baadaye mnavipenyeza kwa waislamu kuupotoa uislamu,



"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law."
– Galatians 4.4.


In the verse that follows the writer explains that the son was born as a Jew in order that he might "redeem" others who were also Jews.

Nowhere in this, or any other epistle for that matter, is there any reference to a virgin, called Mary or by any other name, bringing forth a child.

In the one passage where Paul does discuss virgins (1 Corinthians 7) the writer says virgins serve the Lord better than wives because they are not distracted by the needs of their husbands!

The only other occasion where the Pauline writers are at all concerned with the birthing of Jesus is Romans 1.1-3. and here the reference is to "human seed", not the agency of divine spirit:

"I Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle and separated onto the gospel of God ...concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh."


The Pauline position is unequivocal. The authors know nothing of a supernatural conception and in fact say the very opposite – the birth was normal and Jewish, albeit of "kingly seed".

The author of Mark is another who has no story of a holy virgin or divine impregnation. Mark's Jesus makes his first appearance as an adult, not a child, and there is no later referral to any supernatural, or even natural, birth. Mark sketches in the barest detail regarding his hero's origin. His Jesus came "out of Galilee", emerging from the city of Nazareth for his baptism by John. But that is all Mark has to say on the matter.

Perhaps more telling is the treatment of Jesus' origin in the gospel of John. Here, the author, though he almost certainly knew the earlier fables dreamed up Matthew and Luke, like Mark, has no interest in any human genesis of his "Word of God made flesh".

John states very clearly that Jesus was "the son of Joseph" (John 1.45; 6.42.) – which could hardly have left Mary a virgin.

Again, like Mark, he prefaces his story of Jesus with a preamble about John the Baptist and when the "Light" and the "lamb" first appears it is as an adult.

Later in his gospel, John's Pharisees discuss the Christ and they are clearly under the impression that Jesus had no connection with Bethlehem (John 7), a belief shared earlier in his tale by the soon-to-be disciple Nathanael.

Not even the evangelist John is sold on the fantastical "virgin birth" yarn!

Huyo uliko okota hiyo kadi ya kliniki na wewe uliye iokota kwa mujibu wa BibliaTakatifu nyinyi ni makafir, wapinga Kristo, na makazi yenu jehannam...hhhhhhhh...sikupi pole¡!
 
Kwa nini mnapenda ku-edit kauli ya allah? Ref hapo ulipochomekea eti allah kapuliza tumbo la mariam...!? allah mwenyewe kasema kapuliza kum#@ ya (farjaha)ibnata al imran ref q.66:12 wewe unasema kapuliza tumbo...karudia tena ktk q.21:91 anasema waallatee ahsanat 'f a r j a h a.....feeha min roohina...... wewe badala ya kusema kapuliz k%&@ma unasema tumbo...hiyo aya 4:171 inaeleza wazi kwamba Hakika Masihi ni Neno na Roho ya M'Mungu na sema labda sio ya allah hapo tutakubaliana...nasema hivi waAllah huna ubavu wa kumtetea allah wala muhammad kwa uzwazwa waliofanyia dunia...tukiwaelimisha na kunukuu kauli za allah na muhammad mnasema ni matusi na kashfa why? mf; fundisho hili unafundishaje family > sababu za kuoga no ukimuingilia maiti, mnyama, kuntha, mtoto tundu yeyote iwayo ya nyuma au mbele au ukiingiliwa wewe...View attachment 412620View attachment 412620 Utafundishaje wanao na mameko au utaona ni matusi na kashfu..huu ni msiba dogo...



Firstly this verse:


O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]



Contains no errors, the verse is telling Christians to not say three, which is what they always say, three as in trinity. As we see it is wrong according to the Quran.


They also like to quote this verse as well:


PICKTHAL: They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.


They like to claim that the three being mentioned here are Mary, Jesus, and Allah; they then argue this is a wrong picture of the trinity therefore the prophet Muhammad got it wrong.


As we shall shortly see, the Quran is not in error at all regarding Mary:


CATHOLICCONCERNS.COM


As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I was devoted to Mary. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by sincere people. I prayed the rosary, including rosary novenas. I wore a Brown Scapular and a Miraculous Medal. (You can read about these things in the Glossary, which is Appendix C.) I visited shrines that honor Mary. I had beautiful statues of Mary. I attended special services where we prayed to Mary and recited a litany of titles honoring her. I read books about apparitions of Mary, and dreamed of visiting Lourdes and Fatima. I participated in processions honoring Mary. A statue of Mary was put on a platform that was decorated with flowers. There were poles on the platform, so that men could carry it. The men walked through the streets, carrying the statue on the platform. We walked behind the statue, singing songs in Mary’s honor.



When Pope John Paul II was shot, while the ambulance was rushing him to the hospital, the Pope was not praying to God or calling on the name of Jesus. He kept saying, over and over: "Mary, my mother!" Polish pilgrims placed a picture of Our Lady of Czestochowa on the throne where the Pope normally sat. People gathered around the picture. Vatican loudspeakers broadcasted the prayers of the rosary. When the Pope recovered, he gave Mary all the glory for saving his life, and he made a pilgrimage to Fatima to publicly thank her. (Note 4)


One popular prayer in Mary’s honor is the "Hail Holy Queen," which is known in Latin as the "Salve Regina". It is traditionally included as part of praying the rosary.


"Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary."



Alfonsus de Liguori (1696-1787) was a principal proponent of the Marianist Movement, which glorifies Mary. He wrote a book entitled "The Glories of Mary" which is famous, influential and widely read. In this book, de Liguori says that Mary was given rulership over one half of the kingdom of God; Mary rules over the kingdom of mercy and Jesus rules over the kingdom of justice. De Liguori said that people should pray to Mary as a mediator and look to her as an object of trust for answered prayer. The book even says that there is no salvation outside of Mary. Some people suggest that these views are extreme and not representative of Catholic Church teaching. However, instead of silencing de Liguori as a heretic, the Catholic Church canonized him as a saint and declared him to be a "doctor of the Church" (a person whose teachings carry weight and authority). Furthermore, his book is openly and officially promoted by the Catholic Church, and his teachings have influenced popes. (Note 9)


Pope Benedict XV said of Mary that "[O]ne can justly say that with Christ, she herself redeemed mankind." (Note 10) Pope Pius IX said: "Our salvation is based upon the holy Virgin... so that if there is any hope and spiritual healing for us we receive it solely and uniquely from her." (Note 11)




So note how this person explains how Catholics WORSHIP Mary, and look to her as a God, I mean they put their salvation in Mary!


Now Christians may be saying well this is wrong, and that Catholics are committing blasphemy, EXACTLY! The Quran makes sure it condemns all forms of blasphemy, just because this is not the trinity everyone is familiar with does not mean the Quran cannot condemn it. Secondly, there are lots of Catholics and there have been a lot of Mary worshippers throughout history so to say this is just a minor issue is an under-statement, this is something widely practiced.


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Virgin Mary


Mary's Divine motherhood


Mary's Divine motherhood is based on the teaching of the Gospels, on the writings of the Fathers, and on the express definition of the Church. St. Matthew (1:25) testifies that Mary "brought forth her first-born son" and that He was called Jesus. According to St. John (1:15) Jesus is the Word made flesh, the Word Who assumed human nature in the womb of Mary. As Mary was truly the mother of Jesus, and as Jesus was truly God from the first moment of His conception, Mary is truly the mother of God. Even the earliest Fathers did not hesitate to draw this conclusion as may be seen in the writings of St. Ignatius [72], St. Irenaeus [73], and Tertullian [74]. The contention of Nestorius denying to Mary the title "Mother of God" [75] was followed by the teaching of the Council of Ephesus proclaiming Mary to be Theotokos in the true sense of the word. [76]


Early writings


For the attitude of the Churches of Asia Minor and of Lyons we may appeal to the words of St. Irenaeus, a pupil of St. John's disciple Polycarp [145]; he calls Mary our most eminent advocate. St. Ignatius of Antioch, part of whose life reached back into apostolic times, wrote to the Ephesians (c. 18-19) in such a way as to connect the mysteries of Our Lord's life more closely with those of the Virgin Mary. For instance, the virginity of Mary, and her childbirth, are enumerated with Christ's death, as forming three mysteries unknown to the devil. The sub-apostolic author of the Epistle to Diognetus, writing to a pagan inquirer concerning the Christian mysteries, describes Mary as the great antithesis of Eve, and this idea of Our Lady occurs repeatedly in other writers even before the Council of Ephesus. We have repeatedly appealed to the words of St. Justin and Tertullian, both of whom wrote before the end of the second century.


As it is admitted that the praises of Mary grow with the growth of the Christian community, we may conclude in brief that the veneration of and devotion to Mary began even in the time of the Apostles.




Let us now examine the dates of those Church Fathers who held Mary in such a high honorable position, as a Goddess you could say:


St. Ignatius of Antioch


Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117.






St. Irenaeus


Information as to his life is scarce, and in some measure inexact. He was born in Proconsular Asia, or at least in some province bordering thereon, in the first half of the second century; the exact date is controverted, between the years 115 and 125, according to some, or, according to others, between 130 and 142







Tertullian


His conversion was not later than the year 197, and may have been earlier. He embraced the Faith with all the ardour of his impetuous nature. He became a priest, no doubt of the Church of Carthage. Monceaux, followed by d'Ales, considers that his earlier writings were composed while he was yet a layman, and if this be so, then his ordination was about 200. His extant writings range in date from the apologetics of 197 to the attack on a bishop who is probably Pope Callistus (after 218). It was after the year 206 that he joined the Montanist sect, and he seems to have definitively separated from the Church about 211 (Harnack) or 213 (Monceaux). After writing more virulently against the Church than even against heathen and persecutors, he separated from the Montanists and founded a sect of his own. The remnant of the Tertullianists was reconciled to the Church by St. Augustine. A number of the works of Tertullian are on special points of belief or discipline. According to St. Jerome he lived to extreme old age.




Council of Ephesus


The third ecumenical council, held in 431.




So all these Church Fathers and Council which did see Mary as divine, all took place before Islam came and was revealed. Hence the Quran was merely exposing this wrong blasphemous belief of the worship of Mary, and making her into a divine being something she was not!
 
Huyo uliko okota hiyo kadi ya kliniki na wewe uliye iokota kwa mujibu wa Bibli Takatifu nyinyi ni makafir, wapinga Kristo, na makazi yenu jehannam...hhhhhhhh...sikupi pole¡!


Hawa walioichakachua biblia makazi yao ni wapi ??? ROMA ?????

VITABU VYENU HIVI


M
ost shocking of all, the Roman Catholic Church herself admits to the forgery of the Holy Scriptures. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 6, page 136, gives us this admission.

"Substitution of false documents and tampering with genuine ones was quite a trade in the Middle Ages. Innocent III (1198) points out nine species of forgery [of ecclesiastical records] which had come under his notice.

But such frauds of the Church were not confined to the Middle Ages; they begin even with the beginning of the Church and infest every period of its history for fifteen hundred years and defile nearly every document, both of "Scriptures" and of Church aggrandizement.

As truly said by Collins, in his celebrated Discourse of Free Thinking:

"In Short, these frauds are very common in all books which are published by priests or priestly men... For it is certain they may plead the authority of the Fathers for Forgery, Corruption and mangling of Authors, with more reason than for any of their Articles of Faith.."(p.96.)

So by forging, altering, and changing the Holy Scriptures, including the inspired record of Jesus's teachings, Christianity has brought forth a pagan God-savior and a way of life in complete opposition to God's Laws.
 
Hawa walioichakachua biblia makazi yao ni wapi ??? ROMA ?????

VITABU VYENU HIVI


M
ost shocking of all, the Roman Catholic Church herself admits to the forgery of the Holy Scriptures. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 6, page 136, gives us this admission.

"Substitution of false documents and tampering with genuine ones was quite a trade in the Middle Ages. Innocent III (1198) points out nine species of forgery [of ecclesiastical records] which had come under his notice.

But such frauds of the Church were not confined to the Middle Ages; they begin even with the beginning of the Church and infest every period of its history for fifteen hundred years and defile nearly every document, both of "Scriptures" and of Church aggrandizement.

As truly said by Collins, in his celebrated Discourse of Free Thinking:

"In Short, these frauds are very common in all books which are published by priests or priestly men... For it is certain they may plead the authority of the Fathers for Forgery, Corruption and mangling of Authors, with more reason than for any of their Articles of Faith.."(p.96.)

So by forging, altering, and changing the Holy Scriptures, including the inspired record of Jesus's teachings, Christianity has brought forth a pagan God-savior and a way of life in complete opposition to God's Laws.
Aliye edit Biblia Takatifu na kushindwa no Muhammad...had I tunavyo ongea yupo barzak angoja kuingsa jehena...unauliza kitu iko wazi...hhhhhhhh...
 
Aliye edit Biblia Takatifu na kushindwa no Muhammad...had I tunavyo ongea yupo barzak angoja kuingsa jehena...unauliza kitu iko wazi...hhhhhhhh...



Today, the Gospel of Luke is the longest of the canonical Gospels because it now includes "The Great Insertion", an extraordinary 15th-century addition totalling around 8,500 words (Luke 9:51-18:14).

The insertion of these forgeries into that Gospel bewilders modern Christian analysts, and of them the Church said: "The character of these passages makes it dangerous to draw inferences" (Catholic Encyclopedia, Pecci ed., vol. ii, p. 407).

Just as remarkable, the oldest Gospels of Luke omit all verses from 6:45 to 8:26, known in priesthood circles as "The Great Omission", a total of 1,547 words.

In today's versions, that hole has been "plugged up" with passages plagiarised from other Gospels.

Dr Tischendorf found that three paragraphs in newer versions of the Gospel of Luke's version of the Last Supper appeared in the 15th century, but the Church still passes its Gospels off as the unadulterated "word of God" ("Are Our Gospels Genuine or Not?", op. cit.)
 
Aliye edit Biblia Takatifu na kushindwa no Muhammad...had I tunavyo ongea yupo barzak angoja kuingsa jehena...unauliza kitu iko wazi...hhhhhhhh...



Fulfilled Prophecy? No, just cut and paste

All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.
" – Matthew 1.22-23.


No one in the New Testament actually calls Jesus "Emmanuel". The prophet who supposedly made this prophecy was Isaiah, although "Isaiah" is at least three writers, composing material over a period of two hundred years. First or "proto" Isaiah, sometime in the 8th-7th century BC, wrote:

"Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel." – Isaiah 7.14. (Young's Literal Translation)


Such a "literal" translation of Isaiah's words still retains a Christian spin. Note, however, that the present tense is used.

The context for this supposed "messianic prophecy" is a a world away from Herodian or Roman Judea. "The Lord" (through Isaiah) is speaking to King Ahaz, the ruler in Judah around 734-728 BC. The young woman in question is probably a wife or concubine of Ahaz himself, present among the courtiers addressed by the prophet. She is pregnant (clearly so, hence the "Behold!"), and, despite the insistence of Ahaz that he won't "test the Lord", Isaiah is determined to present the woman's imminent birthing as a "sign" from Yahweh. The "sign" is not the miracle of a virgin pregnancy – or even a miracle at all. The "sign" is that the soon-to-be-born son will quickly learn righteousness, will enjoy the favour of the Lord, and that the House of David will prevail.

A more accurate rendering of the text would be:

"Therefore Yahweh himself gives you a sign. Look! The young woman who is pregnant will give birth to a son and she should call his name Immanu'El (Yahweh is with us)."


But the "sign" that Isaiah has identified in the pregnant maiden is incomplete without the verses that follow:

"Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings." – Isaiah 7.15-16.


In other words, before the child eats "butter and honey" and learns to choose good over evil (surely a choice quite unnecessary for Jesus to learn?) Judah's current enemies will be rendered low.

The time frame is not centuries but very short. The political/military crisis caused by the then occurring assault on Judah from Ephraim (the northern kingdom, Israel) and Damascus (Syria) will – says Isaiah – result in their mutual defeat.
 
Firstly this verse:


O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Three": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur'an 4:171]



Contains no errors, the verse is telling Christians to not say three, which is what they always say, three as in trinity. As we see it is wrong according to the Quran.


They also like to quote this verse as well:


PICKTHAL: They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.


They like to claim that the three being mentioned here are Mary, Jesus, and Allah; they then argue this is a wrong picture of the trinity therefore the prophet Muhammad got it wrong.


As we shall shortly see, the Quran is not in error at all regarding Mary:


CATHOLICCONCERNS.COM


As a faithful Catholic, and later as a nun, I was devoted to Mary. The prayers and practices were so familiar. They were taught to me by sincere people. I prayed the rosary, including rosary novenas. I wore a Brown Scapular and a Miraculous Medal. (You can read about these things in the Glossary, which is Appendix C.) I visited shrines that honor Mary. I had beautiful statues of Mary. I attended special services where we prayed to Mary and recited a litany of titles honoring her. I read books about apparitions of Mary, and dreamed of visiting Lourdes and Fatima. I participated in processions honoring Mary. A statue of Mary was put on a platform that was decorated with flowers. There were poles on the platform, so that men could carry it. The men walked through the streets, carrying the statue on the platform. We walked behind the statue, singing songs in Mary’s honor.



When Pope John Paul II was shot, while the ambulance was rushing him to the hospital, the Pope was not praying to God or calling on the name of Jesus. He kept saying, over and over: "Mary, my mother!" Polish pilgrims placed a picture of Our Lady of Czestochowa on the throne where the Pope normally sat. People gathered around the picture. Vatican loudspeakers broadcasted the prayers of the rosary. When the Pope recovered, he gave Mary all the glory for saving his life, and he made a pilgrimage to Fatima to publicly thank her. (Note 4)


One popular prayer in Mary’s honor is the "Hail Holy Queen," which is known in Latin as the "Salve Regina". It is traditionally included as part of praying the rosary.


"Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy! Our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping, in this valley of tears. Turn, then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary."



Alfonsus de Liguori (1696-1787) was a principal proponent of the Marianist Movement, which glorifies Mary. He wrote a book entitled "The Glories of Mary" which is famous, influential and widely read. In this book, de Liguori says that Mary was given rulership over one half of the kingdom of God; Mary rules over the kingdom of mercy and Jesus rules over the kingdom of justice. De Liguori said that people should pray to Mary as a mediator and look to her as an object of trust for answered prayer. The book even says that there is no salvation outside of Mary. Some people suggest that these views are extreme and not representative of Catholic Church teaching. However, instead of silencing de Liguori as a heretic, the Catholic Church canonized him as a saint and declared him to be a "doctor of the Church" (a person whose teachings carry weight and authority). Furthermore, his book is openly and officially promoted by the Catholic Church, and his teachings have influenced popes. (Note 9)


Pope Benedict XV said of Mary that "[O]ne can justly say that with Christ, she herself redeemed mankind." (Note 10) Pope Pius IX said: "Our salvation is based upon the holy Virgin... so that if there is any hope and spiritual healing for us we receive it solely and uniquely from her." (Note 11)




So note how this person explains how Catholics WORSHIP Mary, and look to her as a God, I mean they put their salvation in Mary!


Now Christians may be saying well this is wrong, and that Catholics are committing blasphemy, EXACTLY! The Quran makes sure it condemns all forms of blasphemy, just because this is not the trinity everyone is familiar with does not mean the Quran cannot condemn it. Secondly, there are lots of Catholics and there have been a lot of Mary worshippers throughout history so to say this is just a minor issue is an under-statement, this is something widely practiced.


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Virgin Mary


Mary's Divine motherhood


Mary's Divine motherhood is based on the teaching of the Gospels, on the writings of the Fathers, and on the express definition of the Church. St. Matthew (1:25) testifies that Mary "brought forth her first-born son" and that He was called Jesus. According to St. John (1:15) Jesus is the Word made flesh, the Word Who assumed human nature in the womb of Mary. As Mary was truly the mother of Jesus, and as Jesus was truly God from the first moment of His conception, Mary is truly the mother of God. Even the earliest Fathers did not hesitate to draw this conclusion as may be seen in the writings of St. Ignatius [72], St. Irenaeus [73], and Tertullian [74]. The contention of Nestorius denying to Mary the title "Mother of God" [75] was followed by the teaching of the Council of Ephesus proclaiming Mary to be Theotokos in the true sense of the word. [76]


Early writings


For the attitude of the Churches of Asia Minor and of Lyons we may appeal to the words of St. Irenaeus, a pupil of St. John's disciple Polycarp [145]; he calls Mary our most eminent advocate. St. Ignatius of Antioch, part of whose life reached back into apostolic times, wrote to the Ephesians (c. 18-19) in such a way as to connect the mysteries of Our Lord's life more closely with those of the Virgin Mary. For instance, the virginity of Mary, and her childbirth, are enumerated with Christ's death, as forming three mysteries unknown to the devil. The sub-apostolic author of the Epistle to Diognetus, writing to a pagan inquirer concerning the Christian mysteries, describes Mary as the great antithesis of Eve, and this idea of Our Lady occurs repeatedly in other writers even before the Council of Ephesus. We have repeatedly appealed to the words of St. Justin and Tertullian, both of whom wrote before the end of the second century.


As it is admitted that the praises of Mary grow with the growth of the Christian community, we may conclude in brief that the veneration of and devotion to Mary began even in the time of the Apostles.




Let us now examine the dates of those Church Fathers who held Mary in such a high honorable position, as a Goddess you could say:


St. Ignatius of Antioch


Also called Theophorus (ho Theophoros); born in Syria, around the year 50; died at Rome between 98 and 117.






St. Irenaeus


Information as to his life is scarce, and in some measure inexact. He was born in Proconsular Asia, or at least in some province bordering thereon, in the first half of the second century; the exact date is controverted, between the years 115 and 125, according to some, or, according to others, between 130 and 142







Tertullian


His conversion was not later than the year 197, and may have been earlier. He embraced the Faith with all the ardour of his impetuous nature. He became a priest, no doubt of the Church of Carthage. Monceaux, followed by d'Ales, considers that his earlier writings were composed while he was yet a layman, and if this be so, then his ordination was about 200. His extant writings range in date from the apologetics of 197 to the attack on a bishop who is probably Pope Callistus (after 218). It was after the year 206 that he joined the Montanist sect, and he seems to have definitively separated from the Church about 211 (Harnack) or 213 (Monceaux). After writing more virulently against the Church than even against heathen and persecutors, he separated from the Montanists and founded a sect of his own. The remnant of the Tertullianists was reconciled to the Church by St. Augustine. A number of the works of Tertullian are on special points of belief or discipline. According to St. Jerome he lived to extreme old age.




Council of Ephesus


The third ecumenical council, held in 431.




So all these Church Fathers and Council which did see Mary as divine, all took place before Islam came and was revealed. Hence the Quran was merely exposing this wrong blasphemous belief of the worship of Mary, and making her into a divine being something she was not!

Allah anasema Masihi ni Neno na kauli ya Nani?¿ unaweka kadi ya kliniki kama alkaba...hhhhhhhhh...
 
Fulfilled Prophecy? No, just cut and paste

All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.
" – Matthew 1.22-23.


No one in the New Testament actually calls Jesus "Emmanuel". The prophet who supposedly made this prophecy was Isaiah, although "Isaiah" is at least three writers, composing material over a period of two hundred years. First or "proto" Isaiah, sometime in the 8th-7th century BC, wrote:

"Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel." – Isaiah 7.14. (Young's Literal Translation)


Such a "literal" translation of Isaiah's words still retains a Christian spin. Note, however, that the present tense is used.

The context for this supposed "messianic prophecy" is a a world away from Herodian or Roman Judea. "The Lord" (through Isaiah) is speaking to King Ahaz, the ruler in Judah around 734-728 BC. The young woman in question is probably a wife or concubine of Ahaz himself, present among the courtiers addressed by the prophet. She is pregnant (clearly so, hence the "Behold!"), and, despite the insistence of Ahaz that he won't "test the Lord", Isaiah is determined to present the woman's imminent birthing as a "sign" from Yahweh. The "sign" is not the miracle of a virgin pregnancy – or even a miracle at all. The "sign" is that the soon-to-be-born son will quickly learn righteousness, will enjoy the favour of the Lord, and that the House of David will prevail.

A more accurate rendering of the text would be:

"Therefore Yahweh himself gives you a sign. Look! The young woman who is pregnant will give birth to a son and she should call his name Immanu'El (Yahweh is with us)."


But the "sign" that Isaiah has identified in the pregnant maiden is incomplete without the verses that follow:

"Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings." – Isaiah 7.15-16.


In other words, before the child eats "butter and honey" and learns to choose good over evil (surely a choice quite unnecessary for Jesus to learn?) Judah's current enemies will be rendered low.

The time frame is not centuries but very short. The political/military crisis caused by the then occurring assault on Judah from Ephraim (the northern kingdom, Israel) and Damascus (Syria) will – says Isaiah – result in their mutual defeat.

Au nikuonyeshe alipo edit? afu uone hiyo c&p pumba kama alkaba itamnusuru Muhammad?!
 
Ukishaona mwanadamu anafikia hatua ya kumkosoa Mungu (neno la Mungu) basi ujue kuna shida inakwenda kumkabili. Nakushauri timiza wajibu wako kuyatenda yaliyo wajibu wako kama mwanadamu. Ukitaka kuyajua mafumbo ya Mungu basi omba kwa Mungu naye atakufunulia kama kweli nia yako ni njema.
Ya mwanadamu ni ya mwanadamu na ya Mungu ni ya mungu.
 
Au nikuonyeshe alipo edit? afu uone hiyo c&p pumba kama alkaba itamnusuru Muhammad?!


Kumbe huna hoja hapo umebaki vitisho. Jibu kwanza baadaye lete hiyo edition

Fulfilled Prophecy? No, just cut and paste

All this took place to fulfil what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:
"Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.
" – Matthew 1.22-23.


No one in the New Testament actually calls Jesus "Emmanuel". The prophet who supposedly made this prophecy was Isaiah, although "Isaiah" is at least three writers, composing material over a period of two hundred years. First or "proto" Isaiah, sometime in the 8th-7th century BC, wrote:

"Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel." – Isaiah 7.14. (Young's Literal Translation)


Such a "literal" translation of Isaiah's words still retains a Christian spin. Note, however, that the present tense is used.

The context for this supposed "messianic prophecy" is a a world away from Herodian or Roman Judea. "The Lord" (through Isaiah) is speaking to King Ahaz, the ruler in Judah around 734-728 BC. The young woman in question is probably a wife or concubine of Ahaz himself, present among the courtiers addressed by the prophet. She is pregnant (clearly so, hence the "Behold!"), and, despite the insistence of Ahaz that he won't "test the Lord", Isaiah is determined to present the woman's imminent birthing as a "sign" from Yahweh. The "sign" is not the miracle of a virgin pregnancy – or even a miracle at all. The "sign" is that the soon-to-be-born son will quickly learn righteousness, will enjoy the favour of the Lord, and that the House of David will prevail.

A more accurate rendering of the text would be:

"Therefore Yahweh himself gives you a sign. Look! The young woman who is pregnant will give birth to a son and she should call his name Immanu'El (Yahweh is with us)."


But the "sign" that Isaiah has identified in the pregnant maiden is incomplete without the verses that follow:

"Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings." – Isaiah 7.15-16.


In other words, before the child eats "butter and honey" and learns to choose good over evil (surely a choice quite unnecessary for Jesus to learn?) Judah's current enemies will be rendered low.

The time frame is not centuries but very short. The political/military crisis caused by the then occurring assault on Judah from Ephraim (the northern kingdom, Israel) and Damascus (Syria) will – says Isaiah – result in their mutual defeat.
 
Ukishaona mwanadamu anafikia hatua ya kumkosoa Mungu (neno la Mungu) basi ujue kuna shida inakwenda kumkabili. Nakushauri timiza wajibu wako kuyatenda yaliyo wajibu wako kama mwanadamu. Ukitaka kuyajua mafumbo ya Mungu basi omba kwa Mungu naye atakufunulia kama kweli nia yako ni njema.
Ya mwanadamu ni ya mwanadamu na ya Mungu ni ya mungu.


Shukrani Mkuu , Ni kweli , hivi nani wa kuomba ikiwa vitabu vya kanisa vinasema maneno haya ???

Kumbuka Gavana siye anayesema haya ni vitabu vya Kanisa Katoliki lenyewe



M
ost shocking of all, the Roman Catholic Church herself admits to the forgery of the Holy Scriptures. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 6, page 136, gives us this admission.

"Substitution of false documents and tampering with genuine ones was quite a trade in the Middle Ages. Innocent III (1198) points out nine species of forgery [of ecclesiastical records] which had come under his notice.

But such frauds of the Church were not confined to the Middle Ages; they begin even with the beginning of the Church and infest every period of its history for fifteen hundred years and defile nearly every document, both of "Scriptures" and of Church aggrandizement.

As truly said by Collins, in his celebrated Discourse of Free Thinking:

"In Short, these frauds are very common in all books which are published by priests or priestly men... For it is certain they may plead the authority of the Fathers for Forgery, Corruption and mangling of Authors, with more reason than for any of their Articles of Faith.."(p.96.)

So by forging, altering, and changing the Holy Scriptures, including the inspired record of Jesus's teachings, Christianity has brought forth a pagan God-savior and a way of life in complete opposition to God's Laws.
 
Tusome Yohana 1:1 inasema gapomwanzo kulikuwako neno nayo neno ilikuwa kwMungu nae neno ilikuwa Mungu Navitu vyote vilifanyika kwauyo pasipo yeye akifanyika kitu nae neno alifanyika mwili akakaa kwetu
Tukiongeza nahii Malaika alieleta habari yakuzawaliwa kwaYesu alimwambia mariamu kuwa utazaa mtoto mwanaume nae utamuita imanueli yani Mungu pamoja nawadamu Kwamaneno haya yabamdhibitisga Yesu kama Mungu Alie chukuwa mwili wabinadamu akakaa nawadamu sii kwakazi yoyote ile bali kwaajili yamuokoa mwanadamu angekuja nasura yaMungu hakuna ambae hangebaki hai kwakua biblia inasema akuna aliye mwona Mungu uso akaishi ndomaaba alichukuwa sura yabinadamu iliamuokoe binadamu uku bdani yake akiwa nauwezo wakiMungu mfano kutembea juu yamaji kukemea upepo nakusikia kutumia vichache kulisha wengi Kumfufua aliyekaa kaburini kwasiku nne
Kutomtambua Yesu kama Mungu Hakumufani asiwe Mungu bali inakufanya wewe ndounaendekea kukusa nguvu amboyo ungepata kwakutambua Yesu kama Mungu
 
Mi napata shida kuelewa mtu unapoteza muda wako kujadiri imani ya watu,mi naona kitu kama mtu haamini yeye astake na wengine waache kuamini,kuna watu wanaamini miungu tofauti tofauti,na kwa imani zao wanafanikiwa,Mungu ni mmoja na hana upendeleo,mi sina naona bible imeeleza waz tu Kuwa Yesu ni Mungu sa kama mtu unatafuta popularity au unatafuta kusambaza imani yako, kwa kupinga kuwa yesu ni Mungu umepotea,mana huwezi kuza imani yako kwa kujaribu kuchafua imani ya wengine,cha msingi we hubiri maneno mema ya imani yako afu uone kama watu hatutakuja,jamani kujadiri mambo ya imani sio vibaya ila uwe na sababu za msingi,mana naona kuna watu wamepost vifungu vya bible vinavyoprove kuwa Yesu ni Mungu lakini kuna wengine bado hataki kuelewa tu
 
Kuna shida gani MUNGU kujigeuza mtu ili watu wabishi wamuelewe?ilihali ana sifa ya mpaka kuijua kesho na ndo kaumba kila kitu hapa duniani,hua anaweza kutamka jambo liwe na linakua,leo kaona watu hawabadiliki kwa kumsikia tu bila kumuona akaamua aje kwa umbo la kibinadamu na ajifananishe na sisi kwa kua alituumba kwa mfano wake shida iko wapi?
Mambo ya imani ni magumu sana, ni sawa mungu kujigeuza mtu hashindwi ila kweli alikosa namna ya kumfanya kiumbe dhaifu kama mwanadamu amuamini mpaka ajifanye mtu, mpaka asulubiwe ili viumbe wake wamuamini? Imani ni ngumu sana. Acha baniani waamini ng'ombe acha babu zetu waabudu waabudu miti na mapango tu.
 
Tusome Yohana 1:1 inasema gapomwanzo kulikuwako neno nayo neno ilikuwa kwMungu nae neno ilikuwa Mungu Navitu vyote vilifanyika kwauyo pasipo yeye akifanyika kitu nae neno alifanyika mwili akakaa kwetu
Tukiongeza nahii Malaika alieleta habari yakuzawaliwa kwaYesu alimwambia mariamu kuwa utazaa mtoto mwanaume nae utamuita imanueli yani Mungu pamoja nawadamu Kwamaneno haya yabamdhibitisga Yesu kama Mungu Alie chukuwa mwili wabinadamu akakaa nawadamu sii kwakazi yoyote ile bali kwaajili yamuokoa mwanadamu angekuja nasura yaMungu hakuna ambae hangebaki hai kwakua biblia inasema akuna aliye mwona Mungu uso akaishi ndomaaba alichukuwa sura yabinadamu iliamuokoe binadamu uku bdani yake akiwa nauwezo wakiMungu mfano kutembea juu yamaji kukemea upepo nakusikia kutumia vichache kulisha wengi Kumfufua aliyekaa kaburini kwasiku nne
Kutomtambua Yesu kama Mungu Hakumufani asiwe Mungu bali inakufanya wewe ndounaendekea kukusa nguvu amboyo ungepata kwakutambua Yesu kama Mungu



Was Saint Paul an unabashed liar?

From this verse in Romans it would appear so:

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded by my lie unto his glory, why yet am I also adjudged a sinner?" – St. Paul, Romans 3.7.


However in context Paul is actually censuring other Christians who say "Let us do evil, that good may come" (that is, from God's judgement). But like Paul we can "take the passage captive" to make a point.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom