NairobiWalker
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Zambia wana malls nyingii na hawajisifu kama hawa jamaa zetu wa Kenya
Zambia wana malls nyingii na hawajisifu kama hawa jamaa zetu wa Kenya
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Don YF
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LMIC wacha kimbelembele mlokole😂😂😂
Don YF
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Na pia ndio huyu jama wako ulie tumia vlog yake. Sasa in 2020 listen where he ranks Kenya after visiting several countries, others testify as your country men hate, wivu na chuki ni mbaya, hubiria wenzako waokoke pia 😛 😂 😂 at Garden city mall, tazama hiyo mall with a slight clip of magnificent Thika road.,
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The King of Kings
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Lusaka ka jiji kadogo, CBD ni mtaa mmoja
Based on...What exactly???? .I hope you are not just basing it on a video, because what we want to see is actual data. Not just claims made in a video.
You can find information on literally every mall in Nairobi and Kenya at large .
But let us go with your video and the claims made there. One lady claims Lusaka has 30 malls. Okay . Let me take that as the truth .
Nairobi alone has 35 malls , excluding the now demolished Taj mall in Embakasi and including Two Rivers which is often (erroneously ) placed in Kiambu county but it is in Nairobi, just 200 meters from the County boundary however .
A check for any malls that meet the definition of a mall that is a building with at least 28,000 square meters outside of Lusaka , one comes up with......Zero.
In fact only 5 malls in Zambia, Lusaka included(Out of consideration that Cosmopolitan Mall may be expanding ,it is the 6th ) meet that definition btw .As opposed to Kenya where literally around 100 do!!
35 in Nairobi and 65 of them outside the city, especially in the neighbouring counties of Kiambu and Kajiado as well as Kisumu, Mombasa and Nakuru in that order.
Now those claiming that " Oh Zambia has more malls than Kenya" .Please list all those malls, with their pictures alongside them and we can highlight each and every mall in Kenya so that we can get the actual number.
Because Kenyan malls are not even hard to not know. Most of them are internationally known(the ones in Nairobi and Mombasa especially )
Also, we can go further and highlight which malls are owned by actual Zambians vs foreigners (P.S. Like three) vs the ones in Kenya where today, the majority of malls are owned by locals
Waaw nimemiss Kenya jamani maisha yalikuwa very comfortable nikikaa lavington naenda mall nakumatt junction, ukiwa runda basi village market iko pale, ukiwa Thika road garden city na TRM. Looh nikirudi kwetu napata sana stress coz malls ni chache sana. Kwa Zambia sijui sijawahi fika.
Nicxie
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I think this should answer this question once and for all. Lusaka, and Zambia in general, inashindwa hata na Kampala kwa mall space sasa Nairobi ama Kenya ndio itawezana nayo? Kenya has the largest mall space in sub-Saharan Africa outside South Africa
Nicxie
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Kenyan malls on the contrary, are owned by Kenyans and Kenyan companies
Kiranga
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Even with that, a case can be made that malls generally promote inequality by giving a substantial market share to conglomerates instead of the so called "mon and pop" shops.
Inequality is a big problem in Kenya. This is bad, not only for altruistic and moral reasons, but also for pragmatic, practical and economic reasons.
In the US, malls are on the decline. People are buying and selling online, this gives more opportunities to many people.
This decline is catalyzed by the Covid-19 pandemic, but it was there years before the pandemic.
Africans are being proud of something that is being phased out. In Swahili, we call this "ulimbukeni".
The same thing is happening with oil. Kenya starts to drill while Norway reports last year more electric cars were bought than oil fueled cars.
Africa. Always steps behind, late to the party, and proud of it too.
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Luoman
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Kwani huyu mwamba kasomea bongo???
Nicxie
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Good analysis you've put above but with glaring gaping holes nonetheless.Even with that, a case can be made that malls generally promote inequality by giving a substantial market share to conglomerates instead of the so called "mon and pop" shops.
Inequality is a big problem in Kenya. This is bad, not only for altruistic and moral reasons, but also for pragmatic, practical and economic reasons.
In the US, malls are on the decline. People are buying and selling online, this gives more opportunities to many people.
This decline is catalyzed by the Covid-19 pandemic, but it was there years before the pandemic.
Africans are being proud of something that is being phased out. In Swahili, we call this "ulimbukeni".
The same thing is happening with oil. Kenya starts to drill while Norway reports last year more electric cars were bought than oil fueled cars.
Africa. Always steps behind, late to the party, and proud of it too.
50 haunting photos of abandoned shopping malls across America
Retail complexes all over the US are being clobbered by store closures sweeping the country. Here are some of the worst impacted malls.
EVs made up more than half of car sales in Norway last year
Norway has spent decades planning its transition to EVs. Now its seeing the results of all that work.
First, I don't understand how the presence of malls promote inequality. Perhaps you can expound on this with some hard, but well-thought facts. If what you are saying is true, does it mean there is no equality in Tanzania as well considering the presence of shopping malls there? I totally don't understand this point.
Secondly, can you explain to me how equal Tanzania is than Kenya and how this relates to the topic of discussion which is the presence of shopping malls. I would appreciate if you provide sources to your information
It's true that malls are on the decline in the US. That's a fact, only that you didn't explain the reasons behind this decline. What you fail to understand is that the economic setup between the US and Kenya and other developing countries is totally different. There's no way you can make comparisons.
The decline of shopping malls in the US doesn't mean that they are being phased out. Actually, a good number of them are even being revamped and expanded or just expanded. Ikea is doing just that!
It's even good you mentioned online shopping as an alternative to visiting a physical store. How is Tanzania fairing in this front if I may ask? Last time I checked, Jumia and a host of other online shops closed down their operations in Tanzania while we still enjoy their services here in Kenya. What does that tell you? How is it that you are still performing dismally in what you view as the "in thing" and an alternative to shopping malls?
About oil, that's a natural resource that injects billions of dollars in economies they exist in. We might consider stopping the day you stop mining gold, your leading foreign exchange earner.
Kiranga
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I have stated, and I am repeating, the presence of malls promote inequality by giving a large portion of consumers (market share) to conglomerates rather than mom and pops shops. So, if one used to buy fresh vegetables from the local vendor, and change to go to Nakumatt, Shoprite or whatever mall you have, the money is going away from small scale businesses to conglomerates.
These conglomerates choke the small business owner, they run him or her out of business by economies of scale, by better access to capital, by mergers and acquisitions, by using international networks. To an extent that, even when you say "these malls are owned by Kenyans", you can't be sure of that.Because the businesses are so complex, with shell companies owned by shell companies, you can hardly tell who are the owners. Just because some Kenyan is listed as the owner, that does not guarantee that he is the owner, he could be a front.
So, apart from malls promoting inequality, by the big malls outcompeting small businesses and starving them from getting good business, their sheer size and complexity alone is opacity. You can't tell beyond a certain level of doubt the ownership.
On "how equal Tanzania is than Kenya". First of all, I am not here to do petty national battles in the manner of the everyday "Kenya is better than Tanzania" and vice versa. That is childish. To me, both Kenya and Tanzania are third world countries. And while there may be some differences, to me, a gobal citizen, these differences are neither significant enough nor relevant.
Albert Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind".
Within Kenya and Tanzania, respectively, there are different countries. The haves and the have nots. I would rather discuss these than the artificial lines demarcating Kenya and Tanzania. If you are a poor Kenyan, it does not matter how many malls Kenya has, or that they are owned by Kenyans. You simply do not have the purchasing power to consume what they sell. If you are a rich Tanzanian, and the entire country has a single mall, you can easily fly to Dubai, London, Paris and New York City and shop at world malls. Nationality is totally irrelevant there. How much money you have is relevant.
I am telling you that the economic setup is different because you are late to the party, you always are. It is like you are embracing landlines while people are phasing out landlines with cellphones! I am telling you, learn from the people who are ahead of you economically, skip some of these steps. Skip the malls. The future is online. I understand there is a difference, but people should stop this Johnny come lately attitude of thinking malls are the shit. They are history. You are only thinking they are the shit because you are 30 years behind. Someone should do for malls what we did for phones. Skip landlines completely and go mobile. Build capacity for this. Else you will go through an expensive phase unnecessarily, only to phase it out.
Online shopping and Tanzania, again. You have a one track mind that supposes anybody who is telling you malls are history, must be a Tanzanian who is shooting you down.
I haven't been to Tanzania in 10 years man. Last time I was there I went back there after 10 years of not being there. I am a US citizen. I live in New York City. The capital of the world. I am international like a United Nations delegate at Turtle Bay. Why are you restricting me to Tanzania in a smallminded and myopic way?
I wasn't even asking you to stop drilling for oil. It seems you have a problem reading with comprehension. I am telling you that you are late to drill, people are already ditching oil.
From malls to oil.
Always late.
Tz boy 4tino
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Hizo thousands of tonnes of goods ambazo zipo kwenye malls wewe unahisi zingeuzwa na watu wa wakawaida, how many people wanakuwa employed????. Acha ubishi... Kenya is one of the most unequal societies in Africa, just Google that alafu utupe majibu...
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Shopping space ndio malls?