waziri wa tamisemi anafanya nini hii ndio kazi yake ya kukagua miradi kairuki kakaa kupiga makofi tu na kusifia, pia waziri mkuu asiamini sana takukuru maana na wao wanaupigaji wao wanapokabidhia kuchunguza hapo nao hupata nafasi naomba waziri mkuu awe anawafutilia takukuru akiwapa kuchunguza watu waliokula pesa
Force Account inawamaliza mabosi wa Serikali, Waziri Mkuu anashuhudia madudu ya kutisha
Force Account inawamaliza mabosi wa Serikali, Waziri Mkuu anashuhudia madudu ya kutisha
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Mkuu hapo pesa hailiwi bali imepelekwa sehemu isiyo sahii alafu tunategemea matokeo sahii.
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Hivi unaongelea kitchen party au Force Account?
Umesoma mwongozo wa PPRA?
Kwenye Guidelines za PPRA soma kuanzia Section 5 hadi section 10 na ujiridhishe kwa ulichoandika ni utumbo mtupu usio na uhalisia na shughuli nzima za jinsi ya kuprocure works kupitia Force Account.
Kwa reference yako Guide lines ziko hapa:
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Refer to public procurement Act of 2011
Force a/c S.109(1) of PPA of 2011
It require procuring entity(pe) itself or use of public or semi public agencies or dept concerned.
Where pe use its own personal and euipment or hired labour
Section 109(2)(a), (b) of PPA of 2011
Inaelezea mazingira ya force a/c inavyofanya kazi au kuwa applied
1) Dharura
2)isiharibu project nyingine zinazoendelea kwenye eneo Hilo Hilo
3)project zipo mbali mbali na hasa remote area
4)Ikiwa taasisi Ina nguvu kazi mfano Jkt au Magereza
5) Ni sehemu ya shughuli zao mfano TBA( Tanzania Building Agency)
6)Ikiwa Kuna kazi imecheleweshwa na Mzabuni
Lakini force account haipo tu kwa ajili ya kazi ndogo ndogo kama jamaa anavyo taka tuamini.
Inaweza ikaundertake project kubwa kama tulivyoona hivi karibuni nchini Tanzania.
N.B Mkuu si watu wote maamuma na haupo peke yako kwenye hiyo sekta
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Tatizo interpretation.
SGR na Bwawa la JNHPP ni miradi imechelewa, unaweza tumia hizo guidelines?
Hebu niletee link ya hiyo PPRA Act copy yako ya 2011, maana yangu inaishia section 108.
ni muda muafaka wa Serikali kufanya tathmini ya Miradi iliyotekelezwa kwa Force Account kwa kuangalia kama utekelezaji wa njia hii una tija.
Force account ni njia nzuri ya utekelezaji wa miradi ya Serikali ila bado kuna mapungufu mengi yanayotakiwa kuboresha kutokana na Siasa kuingilia kati na kuweka taaluma pembeni. Hivyo, kufanya wataalam kutekeleza miradi kwa kutokufuata taaluma yao.
Baadhi ya changamoto:-
Miradi mingi kutekelezwa kwa kupangiwa muda wa utekelezaji kutoka kwa viongozi wa juu wa kisiasa bila kuzingatia taaluma. Hivyo, kufanya majengo kujengwa kwa kuharakishwa, wakati jengo linapigwa lipu kesho yake kazi ya skimming inaanza kitu ambacho ni kinyume na taaluma na yote ni kuhakikisha miradi inakamilika kwa kufuata Muda uliopangwa na siyo kuzingatia ubora unaotakiwa na kuogopa kukosa kazi.
Majengo kujengwa kwa kutokuzingatia mchoro. Mchoro ni mmoja ila ujenzi ni tofauti mwingine kalaza tofali, mwingine kasimamisha tofali wakati ukizingatia aliandaa hiyo michoro alizingatia ubora wa jengo na kudumu kwake.
Ukipita uku unakuta ujenzi umejengwa kwa kuweka nondo katika nguzo mlalo lakini mwingine kajenga kwa kumwaga zege la kawaida bila nondo na wote wamekamilisha kazi ila ubora ndo umetofautiana.
Makisio kuonyesha unatakiwa kuweka vigae vya aina fulani lakini ukitembelea miradi mingi vinawekwa vigae ambavyo haviendani na makisio kwa lengo la kupunguza gharama wakati aliyeandaa vyote hivyo alizingatia ubora na kuduma kwa majengo hayo.
Utatuzi wake
Kufanyika kwa tathmini kwa Miradi yote iliyotekelezwa kwa Force Account kuona kama utekelezaji huu unatija na kama hauna tija wapi kwa kuboresha ili uwe na tija zaidi na kuhakikisha miradi yote inayotekelezwa inaendana na ubora unaotakiwa na kusudiwa.
Kuhakikisha mafundi na vibarua wanaotekeleza miradi hii wanapatiwa elimu namna ya kutekeleza miradi ya Serikali kwa kuwajengea uwezo.
Wataalam wanaosimamia Miradi watekeleze wajibu wao kwa kufuata taaluma ili Fedha zote zinazotolewa na Mhe. Rais Samia Suhuhu Hassan ( kodi za Watanzania) matunda yake yaonekana kwa kuwa na majengo imara na yatakayodumu kwa miaka zaidi ya 50.
Wataaam wanaosimamia Miradi wapewe usafiri wa uhakika ili kuhakikisha wanasimamia miradi kwa karibu na pasipo mkwamo wowote.
Idara za Ujenzi zilizochini ya Mkurugenzi ikiwezekana ziboreshwe kwa kuhakikisha Wataalam wote wa ujenzi wanakuwepo na wanapewa vitendea kazi.
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JNHP na SGR kuna wataalamu wabobevu na wenye uzoefu kuandertake hizo project za mabilioni?
masharti ya force account ndivyo yanavyotaka rudia terms nilizoziandika usome tena.
halafu tofautisha Public Procurement Act(PPA) na Public Procurement Regulatory Authority(PPRA)
PUBLIC PROCUREMENT APPEALS AUTHORITY(PPAA).
Tchao: Kama huyu ndio mtaalamu wa masuala ya manunuzi kama nchi tumepigwa
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Mmejipiga kisawasawa kutumia Acts za Serikali divyo sivyo..
Usijitie mjuaji.
Hapa tunaongelea usimimamizi wa procurement na aina za miradi kwa kutumia Force Account.
Msimamizi mkuu kwa niaba ya Serikali katika procureent ni PPRA, hilo halina ubishi.
Kwamba SGR na Bwawa la JNHPP zina wataalam wa kutosha , hilo ndo linaonyesha low level of thinking kwa watu kama ninyi.
Mnjihalallishia namna na sababu za ku loot.
Nimekuambia lete hiyo PPA 2011 hapaili tuione tuione , tusiandikie mate.
Kwa upande wangu nimesha kuonyesha mwongozo wa serikali kupitia PPRA, kuwa miradi inayotakiwa kufanywa kwa mtindo wa FA ni ile midogo/repair and maintainance oriented.
Wajanja kupitia serikali ya Awamu ya Tano wakajipenyeza na kuitumia hiyo Act kuiibia Serikali.
Sasa siyo bure PM anatembea na Takukuru nchi nzima kuwinda waliokula hiyo hela bila huruma.
Mambo ya uhakika unaingiza siasa, sawa na kumwaga mchanga machoni ili mchote kisawsawa.
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Mkuu hakuna tunachobishania ila umeamua kukaza fuvu
Low level of thinking kuhoji kama tuna wataalamu kwenye JNHP na SGR?
Kukushangaa kuhoji kwa nini itumike Force a/c wakati huna wataalamu wazoefu?
Hebu ipitie PUBLIC PROCUREMENT REGULATION 2013
NIMEIKOPI S.167
167.-(1) The use of force account or direct labour may be justified if it meets any of the following conditions: (a) the required works are scattered or are in remote locations for which qualified construction firms are unlikely to tender at reasonable prices; (b) work is required to be carried out without disrupting ongoing operations; (c) risks of unavoidable work interruption are better borne by a procuring entity or public authority than by a contractor; (d) there are emergencies which require a prompt attention; (e) the procuring entity has qualified personnel to carry out and supervise the required works; or (f) the maintenance or construction is part of the routine activity of the procuring entity. (2) For purposes of this regulation “force account” means a construction by the procuring entity itself or use of public or semi-public agencies or departments concerned, where procuring entity or the public or semi-public agency uses its own personnel and equipment or hired labour
Ulianza kuhoji sheria ukala za uso
ukauliza kwa nini zamani haikutumika, umepata majibu
Ukaonyesha ina mapungufu ila kila ukikumbuka hata competitive tendering ilileta wahandisi vihiyo na kutujengea miundombinu chini ya kiwango.
Tatizo ni usimamizi na hapa unamjua anayefile malalamiko kwenye PPRA?
Iwe issue ni competitive tendering au force account bado accounting officer anatakiwa ajiridhishe?
Tatizo ni nini? force a/c au mfumo mbovu wa ukaguzi kupitia madiwani ambao ni ngumbaru?ikiwa ni ngazi ya Halmashauri.
N.B Kama wewe ni Head of PMU basi hujiuzulu tu, maana ni aibu
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Njia ya mwongo ni fupi.
Uliquote Section 109(2)(a), (b) of PPA of 2011.
Nimekuomba link niwekee hapa mtandaoni hiyo ACT, unaruka ruka tu.
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Hiyo regulation ya mwa 2013 niliyokuwekea ni mziki wa singeli
Hujui ya kwamba regulation ndio huelezea zaidi kuliko acts
haya kasome s.65 S.64 ya public procurement act ya 2011 no 9
nimeikopi
y procurement 65.-(1) Emergency procurement may be made where the accounting officer determines that it is in the public interest that goods, works or services be procured as a matter of urgency. (2) For the purpose of subsection (1), emergency procurement shall meet one of the following criteria: 62 No. 7 Public Procurement 2011 (a) compelling urgency that creates threat to life, health, welfare or safety of the public by reason of major natural disaster, epidemic, riot, war, fire or such other reasons of similar nature; (b) situation whereby, without the urgent procurement, the continued functioning of the Government or organisation would suffer irreparable loss, the preservation or protection of irreplaceable public property, or the health or safety of public will be threatened. (3) Upon satisfying the provisions of subsection (2), the procuring entity shall seek approval of the Government Procurement Services Agency before proceeding on with the procurement. (4) For the purposes of this section, the Minister shall make regulations providing for emergency procurement and on how best quality and value for money would be ensured. (5) The procuring entity shall apply the procedures stipulated in the regulations made under this Act for any procurement undertaken pursuant to the provisions of subsection (1). (6) Where the procurement meets the requirements of subsection (1), the conditions relating to procurement limits, methods, tender processing periods and advertisement may be waived except that conditions relating to tender evaluation and obtaining approval of the tender board shall not be waived.
N.B Mimi sio mtaalamu wa procurement
ILa dunia siku hizi haidanganyi na hatudanganyiki
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Mkuu umeombwa kuweka link, ili wana JF wajisomee wenyewe.
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Waingie tu kwenye website ya PUBLIC PROCUREMENT REGULATORY AUTHORITY (PPRA).
Waende kipengele Cha Laws and regulations,
Kizuri ziko mbili tu
Public procurement Act 2011 no 9
Public procurement Regulation, 2013
www.ppra.go.tz
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Uzuri wa ubishi ni ushahidi.
Kwanza tukubali tusikubali, PPRA ndiyo mwongozo wa procurement husika, hasa Force Account
Mkuu nimekuuliza makusudi Force a/c S.109(1) of PPA of 2011, unaleta ya 2013 sect 64, 65.
Maana yake huna uhakika na ulichoandika.
Sasa PPRA Walivyo weledi WAKAWALETEA UFAFANUZI mnamo MAY 2022.
Hii ilieleza wazi wazi miradi ipi ni kwa ajili ya Force Account.
Nitanukuu tena:
PART II : GENERAL PRINCIPLES, 6.0 General Conditions for use of FORCE ACCOUNT
6.1 The conditions that may justify the use of force account by procuring entity shall be those enlisted under the provision of Section 64(5) of PPA, 2011 and Regulation 167 (1) of The Public Procurement Regulations, 2013 as amended respectively. These shall include any of the following: a) The works are small, scattered and in remote location for which qualified construction firms are unlikely to tender at a reasonable price
Lakini clauses hizi kwa vile zinawabana, mkaamua kurudia vipengele vya miaka nenda rudi,ambavyo vimekuwa AMMENDED vinavyowapa ulaji.
Kisheria Force Account ni kwa miradi midogo tu.
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Hivi najenga hoja kwa kichaa?
Au professional yako ni nini?
S.64 na 65 nimeziangalia, kuzijadili na kuonyesha terms and condition zake haziishii tu hapo unaposema zipo scattered na maeneo ya mbali[emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38].
Nimeqoute vifungu kwenye 167 na vipengele vyake, ili iwe rahisi kusomwa na kueleweka.
Sikiliza muhongozo wa PPRA haiwezi kwenda kinyume na PPA na PPR, PPAA pamoja na PPPD.
Unasema tumebadilisha vifungu[emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]
Mimi sio Mwanasiasa na Sina influence yoyote.
Nilichokuelezea kipo kwenye sheria
Njoo na vitu vingine ila sitochangia jambo Tena kwenye hii mada.
Msomi hukubali baada ya kweli kuwekwa mbele yake.
N.B Kisheria Force Account ni kwa miradi midogo tu.
Sheria ipi hiyo unayo izungumzia ndugu[emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35][emoji35].
Kisheria unafahamu Kuna njia zaidi ya Moja ya kufanya manunuzi?
Unazifahamu Single source?
Shopping
Ikitumika hii si ndio utalia na kusaga meno.
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Unasoma huelewi na hujaelimika.
Soma tena na tena Guidelines za PPRA juu ya FA ya May 2022.
Tuseme pole tu maana it takes a lunatic to see your pont of view.
MWANAHARAMU
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Popoma [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]
Mjinga aliyeshikilia guidelines huku hataki kugusa sheria[emoji109][emoji109][emoji109][emoji109][emoji109][emoji109][emoji109][emoji109].
Wakati hizo guidelines hazijapishana na S.167 nilizozidadavua.
S.64 na 65 nimezidadavua halafu division 5 mmoja anasema sijasoma[emoji120][emoji120][emoji120][emoji120][emoji120]
Ila wewe ni popoma wa pili kwenye jamii forum.
Eti tumebadili kifungu............,.....................
Nalog off
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Hsikusaidii sana kutukana kama huelewi Guidelines ambazo unatakiwa kuzisoma na kufahamu.
Inabidi Waziri Mkuu akutembelee kwenye miradi yako ili TAKUKURU wamalizane nawe.
Tusaidie basi kutuonyesha miradi mliyoitekeleza kwa reference uliyotoa ,ili tuipigie promo ikaguliwe.
Force account ina changamoto zake lakini pia Lina faida, mtazamo wangu Mimi mfumo huu unatakiwa kuboreshwa sio kufutwa
mfumo wa force account unatumia nusu ya gharama na Kwa kiasi flan unaiona thaman ya hela, nitoe mifano kwenye ujenzi wa madarasa, madarasa ya zamani miaka ya 2000s kuja 2016 yalikua yanajengwa Kwa mil 40 Kwa kutumia contractors Ila ndio hayana ubora kabisa. Mfano madarasa hayo hayana vigae, hayana gypsum board wala madirisha ya alluminium na bado mtu alikula M40, Ila ya sasa ya mil 20 ni Bora na thaman ya hela inaonekana.
Kwa hela inayotengwa kwenye ujenzi wa force account ukitumia njia ya zaman huwez kujenga Kwanza hakna engineer atakubali kujenga Kwa gharama hizo na akijenga bas jengo litakua bovu Zaid hata ya hili la kamati ya ujenzi.
Shida ya ninayoiona Mimi ni serikali kutenga hela ndogo ya ujenzi. Mfano darasa moja 20 hapo kuwe na kigae, dirisha alluminium, rangi, board na madawati 40. Wajamen hapo hakuna mtu anaweza kusimamia jengo likawa Bora kama mnavyotaka. Heb kwenye mil 20 toa 500,000 ya usafiri wa vifaa, 500,000 maji, fundi kuanzia msingi,Boma,kupaua, board,rangi, kigae tumbane m3, kiti na meza tukadirie 60, 000@ kiti Viti 40 ni mil 2.4, tofali 6" 1500@tsh 1500 ni Zaid ya mil 2, kokoto trip 6 @250,000 hapo ni mil 1.5, Mawe trip 8@100,00 inakua laki 8, mchanga trip 15 kila trip tufanye 80,000 inakua mil 1.2, simenti 42.5N mifuko 110 kila mfuko 22,000 hapo tena ni mil 2.4, kigae box 45@ 32,000 hapo ni mil 1.4 hiv. dirisha aluminium complete kadiria 250,000 dirisha madirisha 5 ni m1.2 Hadi hapo ushatumia Zaid ya m17, hapo bado hujanunua board, mikanda, mbao, Bati, rangi, nondo, misumari nk.
kimsingi tutalaumu mfumo Ila shida sio mfumo bajeti imefinywa Sana, wanakamati hawajetengewa hata posho Yan mtu asimamie mwez mzima, wafate vifaa, waandikie malipo ya fundi Af wasipate kitu, wakijilipa kwenye hiyo hiyo M20 wanajilipa hela ndogo Sana na haiathiri ubora wa jengo, jengo limeathiriwa na bajeti ndogo. Engineer wa wilaya anayendaa BOQ analazimisha M20 itoshe kujenga darasa moja, matokeo yke anapunguza idadi, materials watu wakienda kununua havitoshi, Bati mtaongeza, misumari mtaongeza, mbao, board, rangi mtaongeza. Yan lazma hela itoke kwenye chanzo kingine kumalizia jengo.
Uzalendo sitaki kuongelea, sidhan kama kuna mtu anao hapa. Serikali iongeze hela ya ujenzi, waweke na posho ya kamati ili wasile kwenye material wala Kwa hela ya fundi. Force account inasingiziwa Tu Ila hela hiyo inayotengwa Kwa ujenzi haiwez kujenga Kwa ubora stahiki. Wanakamati wanachukuliwa hatua, wanalipishwa, wanawekwa ndani Ila hawana shida kama wanajilipa ni kidogo Sana hakiendani na kazi wanayofanya.
Wanasiasa kuingilia shughuli za ujenzi- nayo ni shida nyingine, Yan jengo huku linapauliwa huku linawekwa kigae, huku lipu huku rangi , hata kama local fundi anajua kanuni za ujenzi- Ila hapo anatakiwa kutii maelekezo ya wanasiasa ubora utatokea wap.
Nilikua kiongozi wa taasisi Ila nilifikia hatua nikaomba kupumzika maana kuna muda unaongeza mpaka hela yako ujenzi ukamilike ilimradi uwafuraishe maboss na bado wakija wakaguzi lawama kibao, mtaani mnazushiwa mnaiba hela ya mradi, Yan ukinunua Gari kosa, ukijenga kosa kila unachofanya wanasema hela ya ujenzi ndo imefanya.
Mfumo wa force account Una faida nyingi kuliko hasara, unahitaji maboresho kiasi ili kuleta tija
mfumo wa force account unatumia nusu ya gharama na Kwa kiasi flan unaiona thaman ya hela, nitoe mifano kwenye ujenzi wa madarasa, madarasa ya zamani miaka ya 2000s kuja 2016 yalikua yanajengwa Kwa mil 40 Kwa kutumia contractors Ila ndio hayana ubora kabisa. Mfano madarasa hayo hayana vigae, hayana gypsum board wala madirisha ya alluminium na bado mtu alikula M40, Ila ya sasa ya mil 20 ni Bora na thaman ya hela inaonekana.
Kwa hela inayotengwa kwenye ujenzi wa force account ukitumia njia ya zaman huwez kujenga Kwanza hakna engineer atakubali kujenga Kwa gharama hizo na akijenga bas jengo litakua bovu Zaid hata ya hili la kamati ya ujenzi.
Shida ya ninayoiona Mimi ni serikali kutenga hela ndogo ya ujenzi. Mfano darasa moja 20 hapo kuwe na kigae, dirisha alluminium, rangi, board na madawati 40. Wajamen hapo hakuna mtu anaweza kusimamia jengo likawa Bora kama mnavyotaka. Heb kwenye mil 20 toa 500,000 ya usafiri wa vifaa, 500,000 maji, fundi kuanzia msingi,Boma,kupaua, board,rangi, kigae tumbane m3, kiti na meza tukadirie 60, 000@ kiti Viti 40 ni mil 2.4, tofali 6" 1500@tsh 1500 ni Zaid ya mil 2, kokoto trip 6 @250,000 hapo ni mil 1.5, Mawe trip 8@100,00 inakua laki 8, mchanga trip 15 kila trip tufanye 80,000 inakua mil 1.2, simenti 42.5N mifuko 110 kila mfuko 22,000 hapo tena ni mil 2.4, kigae box 45@ 32,000 hapo ni mil 1.4 hiv. dirisha aluminium complete kadiria 250,000 dirisha madirisha 5 ni m1.2 Hadi hapo ushatumia Zaid ya m17, hapo bado hujanunua board, mikanda, mbao, Bati, rangi, nondo, misumari nk.
kimsingi tutalaumu mfumo Ila shida sio mfumo bajeti imefinywa Sana, wanakamati hawajetengewa hata posho Yan mtu asimamie mwez mzima, wafate vifaa, waandikie malipo ya fundi Af wasipate kitu, wakijilipa kwenye hiyo hiyo M20 wanajilipa hela ndogo Sana na haiathiri ubora wa jengo, jengo limeathiriwa na bajeti ndogo. Engineer wa wilaya anayendaa BOQ analazimisha M20 itoshe kujenga darasa moja, matokeo yke anapunguza idadi, materials watu wakienda kununua havitoshi, Bati mtaongeza, misumari mtaongeza, mbao, board, rangi mtaongeza. Yan lazma hela itoke kwenye chanzo kingine kumalizia jengo.
Uzalendo sitaki kuongelea, sidhan kama kuna mtu anao hapa. Serikali iongeze hela ya ujenzi, waweke na posho ya kamati ili wasile kwenye material wala Kwa hela ya fundi. Force account inasingiziwa Tu Ila hela hiyo inayotengwa Kwa ujenzi haiwez kujenga Kwa ubora stahiki. Wanakamati wanachukuliwa hatua, wanalipishwa, wanawekwa ndani Ila hawana shida kama wanajilipa ni kidogo Sana hakiendani na kazi wanayofanya.
Wanasiasa kuingilia shughuli za ujenzi- nayo ni shida nyingine, Yan jengo huku linapauliwa huku linawekwa kigae, huku lipu huku rangi , hata kama local fundi anajua kanuni za ujenzi- Ila hapo anatakiwa kutii maelekezo ya wanasiasa ubora utatokea wap.
Nilikua kiongozi wa taasisi Ila nilifikia hatua nikaomba kupumzika maana kuna muda unaongeza mpaka hela yako ujenzi ukamilike ilimradi uwafuraishe maboss na bado wakija wakaguzi lawama kibao, mtaani mnazushiwa mnaiba hela ya mradi, Yan ukinunua Gari kosa, ukijenga kosa kila unachofanya wanasema hela ya ujenzi ndo imefanya.
Mfumo wa force account Una faida nyingi kuliko hasara, unahitaji maboresho kiasi ili kuleta tija