If we all end up dying, what is the purpose of living?

[descarte]

"I said at the beginning of this ramble that life is meaningless. It was not a flippant assertion.-I think it’s absurd: the idea of seeking “meaning” in the set of circumstances that happens to exist after 13.8 billion years worth of unguided events.-Leave it to humans to think the universe has a purpose for them. However, I am no nihilist. I am not even a cynic. I am, actually, rather romantic. And here’s my idea of romance:

You will soon be dead. Life will sometimes seem long and tough and, god, it’s tiring. And you will sometimes be happy and sometimes sad. And then you’ll be
old. And then you’ll be dead.

There is only one sensible thing to do with this empty existence, and that is: fill it. Not fillet. Fill. It.

And in my opinion (until I change it), life is best filled by learning as much as you can about as much as you can, taking pride in whatever you’re doing, having compassion, sharing ideas, running(!), being enthusiastic. And then there’s love, and travel, and wine, and sex, and art, and kids, and giving, and mountain climbing … but you know all that stuff already.

Tim Minchin

What you seem to tell people that they shouldn't care about life or death, they can ' just make a lot of funny, enjoy life to the fullest, have pleasure as one's desire. That to me seems to be your remark on this hard question.
However, I want to challenge that notion because human experience has proven time and time again that such kind of life leads to a depression and bored life. It creates more problems than it solves. There is no meaning of living if that is an alternative you offer.
I do think that death is an existential problem. It is geared by the anxiety of non being. This means that there is a time you will cease to be who you are. The tendency of this anxiety compels people to look for answers outside themselves, others will start praying a lot, this simply because it is so disturbing to think about it. The truth is, to have meaning in life is to accept that one day you gonna cease to be who are, that needs a lot courage. Thus why those who are courageous enough will live with that fact consequently they gonna live an authentic life.

 

[0.5nic]

What you seem to tell people that don't care about life or death, just make a lot of funny, enjoy life to the fullest, have pleasure as you desire. That to me seems to be your remark on this hard question.
However, I want challenge that notion because human experience has proven time and time again that such kind of life leads to a depression and bored life. It creates more problems than it solves. There is no meaning of living if that is an alternative you offer.
I do think that death is an existential problem. It is geared by the anxiety of non being. This means that there is a time you will cease to be who you are. The tendency of this anxiety compel people to look for answers out themselves other will start praying a lot, this simply because it is so disturbing to think about it. The truth is, to have meaning in life is to accept that one day you gonna cease to be who are, that need a lot courage. Thus why those who are courageous enough will live with that fact consequently they live an authentic life.

Mkuu Descarte nakubaliana nawe kwamba inajulikana kwa uzoefu kwamba mtu akiishi maisha ya kujikinai hukumbwa na msongo Wa mawazo na kukata tamaa...lakini unaposema UKWELI ni kutambua kwamba mtu ataacha kuwepo na anapaswa akubaliane na hali hiyo unasahau kuonesha kuwa hiyo ni hatma ya mwanadamu kama tu hakuna Mungu. kwa sababu kama Mungu yupo hatma ya mwanadamu inaelezwa kuwa tofauti na hali ya kutokuwepo...yaani ni vizuri ueleze kuwa hiyo ni Kusudi la Maisha kwa watu wanaoamini hakuna Mungu. Kwa mfano kwa mujibu Wa Biblia kuna maisha baada ya kifo.

 

[cyhper_kyrpton]

MUNGU ameweka kifo kuwa fumbo lisilo na jibu na tuzidi kuamini uwepo wake na wasio amini wataamini tu


NB:Waislam kuweni makini katika kuchangia thread hii twaweza kukufuru..... ALLAH atunusuru

The only mystery is your soul, spirit, the purpose of your existence and God, death is just a transformation "you came from energy and you will return to energy" your body is just a configuration vehicle carrying your soul.. Don't let religion caged your mind

 

[terrat]

We live and die, WTF,,,,
funny enough we don't know when we will die!

 

[mtanganyika wa kweli]

Sema ww unaamini hivyo
Cuz kuna philosophers ninao wafahamu wanamini tofouti na ww kabisaa

huyo rene mwenyew uliyejipachika jina lake anaamini kama mimi!

 

[Pritty wa joseph]

The only mystery is your soul, spirit, the purpose of your existence and God, death is just a transformation "you came from energy and you will return to energy" your body is just a configuration vehicle carrying your soul.. Don't let religion caged your mind

Mtumeeeeee[emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] luga gani hii.....

 

[STUNTER]

Mtumeeeeee[emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] [emoji15] luga gani hii.....

Luga takatifu

 

[descarte]

huyo rene mwenyew uliyejipachika jina lake anaamini kama mimi!

Hata kama Rene Descartes aliamini hivyo still haimaanishi philosophers wote. In fact, wengi kama Jean Paul Satre, Albeit Camus, Martin Heiddegger, Nietzsches na wengine wengi.

 

[descarte]

Mkuu Descarte nakubaliana nawe kwamba inajulikana kwa uzoefu kwamba mtu akiishi maisha ya kujikinai hukumbwa na msongo Wa mawazo na kukata tamaa...lakini unaposema UKWELI ni kutambua kwamba mtu ataacha kuwepo na anapaswa akubaliane na hali hiyo unasahau kuonesha kuwa hiyo ni hatma ya mwanadamu kama tu hakuna Mungu. kwa sababu kama Mungu yupo hatma ya mwanadamu inaelezwa kuwa tofauti na hali ya kutokuwepo...yaani ni vizuri ueleze kuwa hiyo ni Kusudi la Maisha kwa watu wanaoamini hakuna Mungu. Kwa mfano kwa mujibu Wa Biblia kuna maisha baada ya kifo.

I think, that is a human condition. For one to claim that the meaning of life is based on the assurance of life after death. I think that is just a consolation and typical manifestation of our selfish nature, that we always want to live. We don't want to die. In doing so, we tend to project that there is a life after death

 

[Mnabuduhe]

We do not want to live! We are just curious! What happen after a person die? Ignorance of what comes next make all humans tremble before death!

 

[g vizy]

ujue hata mimi uwa najiuliza sababu ya kuishi n ipi? na sababu ya kufa ni ipi?maswali haya nimejikuta nikijicheka mwenyewe pasipo kuelewa kwa nini nacheka its too complicated

 

[g vizy]

Maisha hayana lengo ila kuishi ndio lengo lenyewe na ufe umeujua ukweli.

ukweli upi mkuu

 

[terrat]

I think, that is a human condition. For one to claim that the meaning of life is based on the assurance of life after death. I think that is just a consolation and typical manifestation of our selfish nature, that we always want to live. We don't want to die. In doing so, we tend to project that there is a life after death

Umeelezea vizuri na ninadhani unaelewa vizuri maana kamili ya projection, basi kama ni hivyo tusubiri , ...
Mimi binafi namwamini sir God! Yupo na ataendelea kuwepo! Na mbingu ipo na moto wa milele upo ....

 

[Mr. MTUI]

Kama nafsi ilikuwepo kabla ya kupewa kiwiliwili ina maana nafsi si akili wala ufahamu!kama nafsi ingelikuwa na ufahamu au kujitambua basi sisi sote tuliopewa nafsi tungeweza kukumbuka makarne milioni kabla nafsi haijaingia ktk mwili!ukifungua akili yako kuna mambo mawili ya kujiuliza kuhusu nafsı au roho moja-: je roho iliumbwa sanjali na kiwiliwili?!au ilikuwa stoo ikisubiri kiwiliwili?!
Pili-:kama ilikuwa stoo mbona haina kumbukumbu kuhusu ulimwengu iliokuwa kabla?!kabla ya kuvaa mwili!!
Kuna wenye imani kwmba roho ikitoka inaenda kuingia kwa kiumbe kipya kilichozaliwa je kwann haikumbuki x-body wake?

Akili inakua formated so haiwez kumbuks

 

[terrat]

Mmhh!! Mungu atusaidie

 

[descarte]

Umeelezea vizuri na ninadhani unaelewa vizuri maana kamili ya projection, basi kama ni hivyo tusubiri , ...
Mimi binafi namwamini sir God! Yupo na ataendelea kuwepo! Na mbingu ipo na moto wa milele upo ....

Lemme press you hard just from your beliefs. Which reasons do you have which make you believe that there must be God,Heaven and Hell?

 

[0.5nic]

Lemme press you hard just from your beliefs. Which reasons do you have which make you believe that there must be God,Heaven and Hell?

Kwa upande wangu kila kitu kinathibitisha uwepo wa Mungu. Kwa mfano kitendo cha wewe kuuliza swali kinaonesha kwamba unaamini kuna Ukweli na Uongo nawe unataka tukutajie ukweli,sasa hakuna ukweli ama uongo isipokuwa kuna Mungu. Kwa sababu bila hivyo hata unachokifikiria saa hii ni matokeo ya kemikali kwenye ubongo wako tu,ikiwa hakuna Mungu vitu vyote duniani havina maana , ni ajali tu.

 

[zumbemkuu]

Sawa housegirl , lakini kwa fumbo kubwa kama hili, jibu lake ni gumu kwa kuwa aliyekuwepo mwanzo hakuacha "maana" ambayo vizazi na vizazi tungejua... so cha msingi kuka bhata mwanzo mwisho, kwa kadri ya uwezo wako, siku yako ikifika, UNAKUFA! Kwa namna yoyote ile, unefwa du, tehena kingiiiii

Hata we unefwaaa! [emoji3]

 

[BabM]

''Amebarikika Ambaye Mkononi Mwake umo ufalme Naye juu ya kila kitu ni Qadiyr (Muweza). Ambaye Ameumba mauti na uhai ili Akujaribuni ni nani kati yenu mwenye ‘amali nzuri zaidi. Naye ni Al- ‘Aziyzul-Ghafuwr (Mwenye enzi ya nguvu Asiyeshindika - Mwingi wa kughufuria)'' (Quran 67: 1-2)

 

[Gavana]

Mkuu Nonda nashukuru sana kwa link ulizotuma,naahidi nitazifuatilia. Lakini nimekuwa nikisoma Biblia,Quran na Hadithi Sahih Muslim na Sahih Bukhari kwa muda sasa. Na hadi sasa nimeridhishwa na Ukristo zaidi.

Somebody asked a question that why can God not take a human form.

If God wants, he can take a human form – But the moment He takes a human form, he ceases to be God. Because God and man, they are two opposites – Man is mortal – God is immortal.

You can’t have a mortal and immortal person at the same time.

Man has a beginning – God has got no beginning – You can’t have a person who has a beginning and no beginning at the same time.

Man has an end – God has no end – So you can’t have a person, having an end and no end at the same time – It doesn’t make sense.

So you can’t have a God man – You can either have God or you can have man – You can’t have a God man.

So if God takes human form, He ceases to be God… He becomes human being – Because man requires to eat – God does not require to eat.

The Qu’ran says in Surah Anam, Chapter 6, Verse No. 14, that…‘He feedeth everyone, but doesn’t require to be fed’.

The human beings, they require rest – They require sleep.

The Qu’ran says in Ayatul Qursi, Chapter. No. 2, Verse No. 255

… ‘Allah, He is one and only, The Self Existing, the Eternal, no slumber can seize, nor does He require sleep – To Him belongs everything in the heaven and the earth’.

Therefore God, when He takes the human form, He ceases to be God – You can’t have a god-man together.

And if a God becomes human being and gives up His quality, and becomes man – why should we worship a human being?

Because he has same powers as you and me – People will want to worship you and me also then.

What is the use of worshipping a person who has same powers like you and me?

And later on if someone tells me this same human being became God, its not possible.

If human beings can become God, even you and I would become God tomorrow.

Therefore if Allah wants He can become a human being, but He ceases to be a God – Therefore Allah will never want to become a human being.

Allah can tell a lie if He wants – But He will never tell a lie – Because to lie is ungodly – The moment He lies, he ceases to be God.

Allah can do injustice if He wants, but He will not – Because to do injustice is ungodly.

As the Holy Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No. 40, that… ‘Allah Subhana Wa Taala is never unjust in the least degree’.

So if He does injustice, He ceases to be God.

Allah Subhana Wa Taala, if He wants He can make a mistake – But he will not make a mistake, because to make mistake is ungodly.

The Qur’an says in Surah Taha, Chapter No. 20 V.52… ‘That Allah does not make mistakes’ Allah does not err.

So if He makes a mistake He ceases to be God.

Allah can forget if He wants – But He will not forget, because forgetting is an ungodly act.

The Qur’an says in Surah Taha, Chapter 20, V.52… ‘Allah doesn’t make a mistake, neither does he forget’ -

The moment He forgets, He ceases to be God.

Therefore the Holy Qur’an says…… ‘Verily Allah has power over all things’ –

In several places in Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, V.No.106, In Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, V.No.109, Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2 V.No.284, Surah Al Imran, Chapter No. 3, V. 29, Surah Nahl, Chapter 16, V.77, Surah Fatir, Chapter 35, V. No.1. And Allah says……‘For Verily, Allah has power over all things’ –

But Allah only does Godly things, he doesn’t do ungodly things.

Because Qur’an says in Surah Buruj, Chapter 85, V. No.16…‘Allah is the doer of all He intents’ –

Whatever Allah intents He can do – But He only intents Godly things.



This theory of God becoming a human form, is called as ‘Anthropomorphism’ – Almighty God taking a human form.

And most of the major Religions, sometime or the other, they have in their Philosophy, that God has taken a human form – Some religion once, some several times.

And they have a very beautiful logic for that – they say that God Almighty, He is so Pure, He is so Holy, He doesn’t know regarding the feelings of the human being – regarding the shortcomings, the difficulties the human being can have.

He is so Holy and Pure – And Allah Subhana Wa Taala doesn’t know how does a human beings feel when he is hurt – How does he feel when he gets into trouble. So therefore, God Almighty came in the form of a human being in this world to set the rules for the human beings.

On the face of it, very good logic – But I tell these people, that if I manufacture a tape recorder, do I have to become a tape recorder, to know what is good or what is bad for the tape recorder?

No! I just write an instruction manual – that when you want to play the audio cassette, put in the cassette, press the play button – When you want to stop, press the stop button – When you want to fast forward, press the FF button – Don’t drop it from a height it will get spoilt – Don’t immerse it in water, it will get damaged.

I write an instruction manual – I don’t have to became a tape recorder to know what is good or what is bad for the tape recorder. Similarly, when Almighty God is our Creator, He doesn’t have to become a human being to know what is good or what is bad for the human being. He sends an instruction manual and the last and the final instruction manual for the human being, is the holy Qur’an.

The Holy Qur’an is the last and final instruction manual for the human beings – The do’s and don’ts for the human beings. And he need not come down in this world as a human being to give us the instructor manual – What does he do?

He chooses a man, amongst men to deliver His message – whom we call as Messengers or Prophets with whom He communicates on a higher level, through the ‘Revelation’.

It is so clear cut to any logical person, that God Almighty cannot take human form – Any fool can also understand. That’s the reason the Holy Qur’an says in Surah Baqarah, Chapter 2, Verse No.18….

… ‘The deaf, the dumb, the blind – they will not come to the true path’.

And the Bible gives the same message in the Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No.13, Verse No.13…

‘Seeing they are see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand