Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy


Could you ascertain that the minerals in Your country is even contributing anything to the GDP, other than being a cash cow for those who are politically connetced
 

Typical Tanzanian argument. Using others wrongs to justify our wrongs. Subjectivity, hypocrisy na kalalama kwa sana. Aliyeandika hii artcle hakukosea: allAfrica.com: Tanzania: The Country Has Become a Nation of Complainers
 
SIR: What is Tanzania's biggest problem? This is the question my son asked me on a beautiful morning, September 27 , 2009 after breakfast in Springfield, PA. He promptly followed this question with another, even before I answered the first. "Well dad, if you were the Tanzanian president what would you do?"


This line of questioning, discussion, debates, a huge arguments on
politics, race, history, education, religion - you name it, we battle
over it - is commonplace in our home. But for whatever reason, instead
of launching into the usual diatribe of possible flawed but well
meaning reasoning, I actually paused for thought. My mind wandered, as
I recollected the many discussions I had with countless Tanzanians at
home in Tanzania and in far away places in divergent circumstances
and settings about what ails Tanzania.


In the opinions of most Tanzanians I have encountered, the issues the
country faces are those of Minerals , corruption, religion, ethnicity,
infrastructure, poverty, hunger, disease, brain drain, civil
liberties, etc. so with very broad strokes I pigeonholed all the
people I have had discussions with into three groups. Group one the
naysayers. They've lost faith and believe the problems are so
entrenched in the national psyche that the country is without hope.
Group two - the optimists. This set of folks believe the country is on
the upswing. They quickly point out their successful family members
and friends. The proliferation of cell phones. the Dar es salaam stock
exchange, expensive cars on the streets, expensive foreign imports, or
sprawling mansions owned by the few. And the final group - the
opportunists. This is the set that doesn't really care whether the
country moves forward or backwards, but is more interested in gaining
a piece of the giant pie of ill gotten wealth.


The reality is that most of the problems that Tanzania and other
African nations experience plague other developing nations too. We can
look at history and point to colonialism tyrannical rule by
dictatorships, mass exploitation, and corruption. But the original
question that got me reminiscing is Tanzania's biggest problem.


In my opinion Tanzania's biggest problem is the mind-set of the
average Tanzanian. For there to be real change, people have to want
change and a re-education of sorts. Expectations have to be realistic.
Tanzania's yearly income is less than that of two major cities in the U.S. with
20 per cent of Tanzania's population, yet most cry foul for not
receiving their piece of the black gold.


As Tanzanians, we all need an attitude readjustment. Although,
materialism is deeply interwoven in the national fabric. It is indeed
possible to break away from the various cycle of trying to acquire
wealth at all costs. As a youngster, I marveled at people, who would
borrow money to have block parties to celebrate one event or another.
I also shook my head in disbelief at people who drove expensive cars
but lived in a single room with 10 people. It is actually funny to see
owners of fancy cars navigate their way through endless potholes and
bad roads. I was even more amazed to see people vie for government
contracts, receive payments and not perform any part of the contract.


There is no doubt in my mind that Tanzanians are a hardworking,
industrious people, so given the right mind-set and focus they can
overcome their economic, political and social issues. With the right
attitude the naysayers can again have faith, the optimists can be even
more optimistic and the opportunists will have the occasion to work

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Most of all I can say we are unfortunate in Kenya because we are always put under tight suspicion there, But if you look at the bigger picture, rapid industrialization and an influx of foreign trade industry players is sweeping the East African region. Business principles are the same worldwide. Whatever a Kenyan investor may plan to do, will always be similar to any other foreign investor from around the globe. Healthy competition in business requires an open mind. The investors meet similar challenges on the ground. What will set the challenges I assume across EA is paperwork that makes many local investors fail to meet the criteria required to start business. So, this creates a contrast that local markets are dominated by foreigners who may have the means to work around the required permits, legal fees, and hurdles. So the conclusion is, the governments have failed to ensure business people can sustain themselves locally.

We can only sustain and maintain the consistency and performance of African economies if we can shift from agricultural based economies and try to integrate several other mechanisms to facilitate more growth. When you talk of surbotage, where is that data or That is not legitimate data.
 

Bwana kibona umeongea kitu cha msingi. Lazima Wakenya na Watanzania tujenge tabia ya kuaminiana na kuheshimiana. Tabia ya kutukana, kumdharau mtu, kusema Kenya au Tanzania haimtaji fulani ni kutoona mbali. Kiufupi tunategemeana na tutazidi kutegemeana sana siku za usoni.
 
But mzalendo number what sijui, mbona unatumia effort kubwa sana kwenye masuala ya TZ na Kenya. at times you have a balanced analysis, lakini mbona unatumia nguvu ya ziada.?? Nikiunganisha posts, it is a whole book, almost!
 

I fully agree. Everybody should once in a while, walk outside their borders. The corrupt officials make it cheap, and prompt innocent citizens to break a law or two without getting caught (once you dish out "kitu kidogo", you are fully protected).

Say, Kenya is the only country where I feel free and comfortable mingling with the local population without feeling like an outsider (especially Mombasa. In Nairobi there is too much of "Luhya and Kikuyu business. You need to chose - you cant have it both ways!)
 
But mzalendo number what sijui, mbona unatumia effort kubwa sana kwenye masuala ya TZ na Kenya. at times you have a balanced analysis, lakini mbona unatumia nguvu ya ziada.?? Nikiunganisha posts, it is a whole book, almost!

Such books I write for you militants. masuala ya Tz na kenya si za kuongelewa katika vikao vya vijijini, unless there is something you are hiding.
 
I just hate when people bring nationalism everytime there is a small issue.

They do not even stop to think what the implicatins will be. I am shocked by the amount of hatred felt by both tanzanians and kenyans towards each other. Was in mombasa and for every ten cars one car in tanzanian. sisi ni ndugu when iam in Mombasa it like I am in tanga and we have to find a way to work out our problems.

Now on the issue of the boarder no one is a winner if the boarders are closed. Tanzania will come around and maybe reduce the fee.
 

Kile nadhani kitafanyika hapo mpakani, ni wataweka a waiver of sorts to local businessmen, lakini naona hiyo ni kupunguza uwezekano au limiting one's self not forgetiing suala la rushwa kuendelea kushamiri.
 

Ni nini inakupa hiyo dhana, when tanzania is investing in the SADDC areas, does it mean that the EAC bloc Uganda Rwanda and the rest of the members wako na finacial muscle kuliko Kenya, au it is your wishful thinking. Your post is limited to what you know. Is this the financial muscle for TZ in SADDC you are talking about?. Kwasababu TZ Malawi na DRC are the worst perfomers huko. In essence Tanzania wraps up the bottom three in SADC. If you claim to be the second best economy in East African Bloc. why scamper to SADDC. Offcourse, do not forget that you can relate GNI with a country's PP because that is a country's coffer.


SADC's average level of per capita income, as measured by Gross National Income (GNI), is very low and has been declining in most countries over the last three decades. In the year 2002, SADC average GNI per capita stood at USD 1,563. Seychelles, a SADC country with approximately only 82,000 inhabitants, has the highest GNI per capita at US $6,530. Other high-income countries in the region include Mauritius (US $3,830), Botswana (US $3,100) and South Africa (US $2,820). The low per capita income countries in the SADC region, with income levels below USD $500, are DRC (US $80), Malawi US $160), Mozambique (US 210), Tanzania (US $270), Zambia (US $320), and Zimbabwe (US $480).

from now on I think tunafaa tuongelee tangible facts, not cooked data or wishful thinking!! fuata mkondo moja katika hoja zako, unajaribu kuwasilisha too many ideas in a short space, which is impossible.
 
mzalendo..whatever the scenario, no kenyan aka nyang'au will ever be allowed to patronize anything on TZ... you need to shut up and listen while we decide what to do about the largest country in the bloc..and forget about wealth, kenyans are equally in deep shi.t for majority of you are languishing in abject poverty! even deserting the country in droves! and one of the destinations being TZ!
 
Latest news is that levy has been abolished/suspended. Everybody as you were!
 

si SADDC bali ni SADC! Tanzania GDP per capita ni US$ 1500! U r not scoring points by demeaning the figure u just demonstrate ur foolishness since u can't even use credible sources!
 


Let us remain logical and relevant as per the above topic. In order to attain the Tanzanian Development Vision 2025 (TDV 2025), which entails eradicating absolute and idiosyncratic poverty by 2025, the National Strategy for Growth and Reduction of Poverty (2005-2010) (MKUKUTA I) sees governance as a key ingredient for poverty alleviation. However, many cases have arisen regarding decisions on and implementation of economic and social development activities being inefficient, associated with bribery, not transparent and inequitable.

There are biases in the provision of education, health and water services; bribery in the construction of classrooms and the allocation and transfer of teachers; limited access to justice for women and poorer community members; lack of transparency of expenditure of community money and allocation of materials (including medicines) in the education, health and water sectors in some areas; limited participation in decision making as many community members do not attend meetings at which decisions are made; and late completion of construction works and distribution of agricultural inputs. These problems all exacerbate poverty.
 
si SADDC bali ni SADC! Tanzania GDP per capita ni US$ 1500! U r not scoring points by demeaning the figure u just demonstrate ur foolishness since u can't even use credible sources!

SADC's average level of per capita income, as measured by Gross National Income (GNI), is very low and has been declining in most countries over the last three decades. In the year 2002, SADC average GNI per capita stood at USD 1,563. Seychelles, a SADC country with approximately only 82,000 inhabitants, has the highest GNI per capita at US $6,530. Other high-income countries in the region include Mauritius (US $3,830), Botswana (US $3,100) and South Africa (US $2,820). The low per capita income countries in the SADC region, with income levels below USD $500, are DRC (US $80), Malawi US $160), Mozambique (US 210),
Tanzania (US $270), Zambia (US $320), and Zimbabwe (US $480).

Source:SADC - Southern African Development Community - Towards a common future
 
Kenya: 600,000 Nationals Went to Tanzania Last Year

MORE than 600, 000 Kenyans crossed over into Tanzania last year alone, East African Community minister Samuel Sitta said yesterday. Sitta said he expects the figures to go up following a simplified documentation process of temporary passes for those intending to visit the country. He said Kenyans crossing to Tanzania can now acquire temporary passes which can be easily issued out at Namanga border post at a cost of Ksh300 against the production of two passport-size photographs of the applicants.

The minister said Kenyans wishing for visit Tanzania ought to have received yellow fever jabs at least two weeks before travel date. He added that those wishing to sell their goods in his country will need to acquire a certificate of origin of the products to receive preferential duty entry into the Tanzanian market.

The certificate of origin is issued by the customs department of the Kenya Revenue Authority. Sitta said his government and that of Kenya have organized a public baraza on Wednesday this week at Namanga Primary School, Tanzania to sensitize the people of the two countries on issues that entails the fostering of the East African Community.

Key guests during the rally will include, Kenya's EAC Minister Musa Sirma, his Tanzania's counterpart Sitta, Asst. Minister (Defence) Josepha Nkaisserry, Tanzania's Permanent Secretary (EAC-TZ) Dr. Stergomena Tax and other senior officials from the Ministry of Lands, Finance and EAC ministry (Kenya).

This is a second visit to Namanga for Sirma in less than a week. Over the weekend, the minister had toured the border post to assess the area where U$13 million One Stop Border Post will be constructed. The Wednesday morning rally in Tanzania will invite journalists from both countries to cover the event.

allAfrica.com: Kenya: 600,000 Nationals Went to Tanzania Last Year
 
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