Kiongozi aliyehujumu na kuua kiwanda cha TIPER ni wa ovyo kuwahi kutokea Tanzania

[kiduku mpapaso]

Zambia wanacho hawakuua kilijengwa same time na chetu

Cost ya kukikarabati sio kujenga kiwanda kipya zinahitajika dola milioni 500 hawana wanahaha kutafuta private investors!!

Kuna biashara Serikali haiwezi fanya Haina pesa za hiyo biashara

Kiwanda cha Tipper waitaliano wa Agip ndio waliwekeza Serikali ikajifanya kutaifisha limewatokea kooni

Private sector capital ina raise capital markets za kimataifa.Miradi kama hiyo Serikali haiiwezi kutegemea ukusanye Kodi dola milioni 500 kwenye mauzo ya nje ya mazao kama ya korosho sijui pamba sio rahisi!!

Mwenye nguvu mpishe Serikali irudishe kwa Agip hicho kiwanda cha kusafisha mafuta Serikali haiwezi kuwa na mtaji wa kufufuka hicho kiwanda ni lofa

Kiwanda cha Zambia wala hakijafa ni kizima na uzima wake sema tu serekali ndio haina ya hela kuagiza mafuta ghafi

 

[FaizaFoxy]

Mkapandisha na twiga ndege

Ahh hao mbona tunapandisha kila siku, unafikiri tulihamishia wanyama kuwaweka mbuga mpya ya Chato na kuwajegea eyapoti ilikuwa kwanini?

Vipi mtu kukopa pesa za kutengeneza reli akaenda kujenga eyapoti ya Kimataifa kijijini kwao, ni sawa hivyo? Umelipata jibu? nimekupa fununu kidogo, uelewe kuwa kuna vichwa vinajua mpaka hesabu ya sato ndani ya ziwa Victoria.

Hivi eyapoti ya Chato toka ianze kutumika zimeshatua ndege ngapi za abiria au mizigo za Kimataifa?

 

[Nguto]

Katika utawala wa Mwalimu Nyerere Tanzania tulikuwa na kiwanda cha kusafisha mafuta ghafi ambacho kilikuwa kinazalisha petroli, dizeli mafuta ya taa, lami nk.

Kwa hiyo nchi ilikuwa ikinunua mafuta ghafi kwa bei nafuu na kuyasafisha kwa gharama nafuu na kufanya bei ya mafuta kuwa nafuu kwa walaji.

Ulipoingia MZIMU wa ubinafsishaji kiwanda kikafa tukaanza kununua mafuta yaliyosafishwa. Hapa ndipo tulipopotea maboya!

Sasa tunakula jeuri yetu kwa kukomolewa kwa bei ghali ya mafuta. Laiti kingekuwepo kiwanda chetu kile tusingeumia kiasi hiki!

Mkapa na sera zake za kubinafsisha. Kiwand kile kilikuwa cha ubia kati ya Tanzania na Italy. Ilifika mahali ilibidi mtaji uongezwe nassikia Tanzania tulishindwa. Italy isingeweza after all sisi ndiyo tulikuwa tunafaidi. Yaani mimi nakikumbuka hicho kiwanda kila mafuta yakipanda bei. Yaani hii sera ya kubinafsisha kila kitu wakati viwanda vilifika mahali reinvestment ifanyike na wabadhirifu wote wafukuzwe na serikali ilitakiwa ihakikishe hakuna ubadhirifu!!! Badala ya kuweka control mechanism wanakifunga!!! Yaani!! Tutakoma nchi hii labda tuende BURUNDI!!!!

 

[Nguto]

Magufuli alikiua

Hapa unamuonea. Siyo yeye!!! Kiwanda kilikufa na sera za Mkapa za ubinafsishaji.

 

[Nguto]

Serikali isifanye biashara itafeli vibaya,yenyewe ichukue kodi yake stahiki tu.

Tumeshuhudia jinsi Viwanda vilivyouwawa na vingi Mwalimu aliwazulumu Wakoloni na Waasia.

Kipindi cha mwalimu viwanda vingi vilikuwa vinafanya kazi vizuri tu. Tatizo sera ya ubinafsishaji ya Ben!!!

 

[Nguto]

Zambia wanacho hawakuua kilijengwa same time na chetu

Cost ya kukikarabati sio kujenga kiwanda kipya zinahitajika dola milioni 500 hawana wanahaha kutafuta private investors!!

Kuna biashara Serikali haiwezi fanya Haina pesa za hiyo biashara

Kiwanda cha Tipper waitaliano wa Agip ndio waliwekeza Serikali ikajifanya kutaifisha limewatokea kooni

Private sector capital ina raise capital markets za kimataifa.Miradi kama hiyo Serikali haiiwezi kutegemea ukusanye Kodi dola milioni 500 kwenye mauzo ya nje ya mazao kama ya korosho sijui pamba sio rahisi!!

Mwenye nguvu mpishe Serikali irudishe kwa Agip hicho kiwanda cha kusafisha mafuta Serikali haiwezi kuwa na mtaji wa kufufuka hicho kiwanda ni lofa

Mkuu siyo kwamba kilikuwa jointly owned kati Tanzania na Italy? Nimeikuta hii mtandaoni kuhusu TIPER"

"The plant was commissioned as an oil refinery in the 1960s. It was then known as the Tanzanian and Italian Petroleum Refinary Limited (TIPER), owned jointly by the GoT and Agip (Tanzania) Limited.[6] After the signing of the agreement in 1963, it was built by the Italian state-owned Eni between February 1965 and June 1966 at a cost of TSh 100 million. In 1969, the GoT purchased half of the shares. It was a small refinery with a capacity to process 600,000 tonnes per annum.[5]

Prior to the liberalisation of the petroleum industry in 1997, TIPER produced 30 percent of the local requirements and the rest was imported by the state-owned Tanzania Petroleum Development Corporation (TPDC).[7]

In 1991, under pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), operations ceased at the refinery to implement the country's Structural Adjustment Program. The IMF argued that it was operating at 60% of its capacity."

Tatizo nilionalo mimi ni sera ya Ben ya kubinafsisha kila kiwanda. Enzi hizo Tanzania ilikuwa hainunui lami.

 

[Enkaly]

Katika utawala wa Mwalimu Nyerere Tanzania tulikuwa na kiwanda cha kusafisha mafuta ghafi ambacho kilikuwa kinazalisha petroli, dizeli mafuta ya taa, lami nk.

Kwa hiyo nchi ilikuwa ikinunua mafuta ghafi kwa bei nafuu na kuyasafisha kwa gharama nafuu na kufanya bei ya mafuta kuwa nafuu kwa walaji.

Ulipoingia MZIMU wa ubinafsishaji kiwanda kikafa tukaanza kununua mafuta yaliyosafishwa. Hapa ndipo tulipopotea maboya!

Sasa tunakula jeuri yetu kwa kukomolewa kwa bei ghali ya mafuta. Laiti kingekuwepo kiwanda chetu kile tusingeumia kiasi hiki!

Mwalamsha mkuu,
Kwa nchi zenye malengo ya kupiga hatua ni lazima zishirikiana na private sector hasa kwenye sector nyeti kama nishati, lakin kwetu sisi mafuta na gesi ni completely zimehodhiwa na private sector, kwa miaka ya hv karibuni angalau kidogo serikali yetu kupitia TPDC wameanzisha TANOIL kujaribu kuweka kaushindani na private sector, lkn kana nguvu ndogo mnoo its like wanajaribu.

Sector ya usafirishaji ndio kabisa hali tete, ma UDA yaliyokuwepo machache yanaozea huko kwenye mayadi mbagala, treni zetu ndio hivyo tena, badala ya kuweka njia mbili, wameweka njia moja, ina maana likienda inabidi usubiri lirudi. Sawa na mzungu mmoja akajisemea NO HURRY IN AFRICA.

Kwa sehem kubwa sisi Watanzania tunauongelea uchumi midomoni, lkn hatujui uchumi unaendana na muda.
Kama hatujui kutunza muda, uchumi utaimalikaje?
Mtu uko Dar lkn cha kutoka mbande, Chanika au Tegeta unatumia masaa matatu barabarani, ina maana ukienda na kurudi masaa sita hadi saba.
kazin unatakiwa ukae masaa nane, na wafanyakazi wadanganyifu wanachukua na time sheet ya overtime kabisa.
Kwa hesabu hiyo ya siku kwa masaa 24, masaa 14 yametumika kwa kazi na barabarani, katika masaa 24 yanasalia masaa 10 tu.

Katika hayo masaa kumi ufanye ibada, ukae na familia, upumnzike, usome vitabu na magazeti nk, then unataka innovation kwenye kazi kweli?

 

[Idimi]

Mkuu siyo kwamba kilikuwa jointly owned kati Tanzania na Italy? Nimeikuta hii mtandaoni kuhusu TIPER"ah

"The plant was commissioned as an oil refinery in the 1960s. It was then known as the Tanzanian and Italian Petroleum Refinary Limited (TIPER), owned jointly by the GoT and Agip (Tanzania) Limited.[6] After the signing of the agreement in 1963, it was built by the Italian state-owned Eni between February 1965 and June 1966 at a cost of TSh 100 million. In 1969, the GoT purchased half of the shares. It was a small refinery with a capacity to process 600,000 tonnes per annum.[5]

Prior to the liberalisation of the petroleum industry in 1997, TIPER produced 30 percent of the local requirements and the rest was imported by the state-owned Tanzania Petroleum Development Corporation (TPDC).[7]

In 1991, under pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), operations ceased at the refinery to implement the country's Structural Adjustment Program. The IMF argued that it was operating at 60% of its capacity."

Tatizo nilionalo mimi ni sera ya Ben ya kubinafsisha kila kiwanda. Enzi hizo Tanzania ilikuwa hainunui lami.

Tukubali kwamba kwenye ubinafsishaji hatukutakiwa kubinafsisha kila kitu. Benki ya NBC na TIPER ni mifano ya ubinafsishaji mbovu kabisa wa mali za Watanzania. Ambacho kingefanyika ni kupanua ukubwa wa refinery hio badala ya kuifunga kabisa na kufanya ghala la kutunzia mafuta yaliyochakatwa

 

[Nguto]

Tukubali kwamba kwenye ubinafsishaji hatukutakiwa kubinafsisha kila kitu. Benki ya NBC na TIPER ni mifano ya ubinafsishaji mbovu kabisa wa mali za Watanzania. Ambacho kingefanyika ni kupanua ukubwa wa refinery hio badala ya kuifunga kabisa na kufanya ghala la kutunzia mafuta yaliyochakatwa

Kabisa mkuu.

 

[Ileje]

Mwalamsha mkuu,
Kwa nchi zenye malengo ya kupiga hatua ni lazima zishirikiana na private sector hasa kwenye sector nyeti kama nishati, lakin kwetu sisi mafuta na gesi ni completely zimehodhiwa na private sector, kwa miaka ya hv karibuni angalau kidogo serikali yetu kupitia TPDC wameanzisha TANOIL kujaribu kuweka kaushindani na private sector, lkn kana nguvu ndogo mnoo its like wanajaribu.

Sector ya usafirishaji ndio kabisa hali tete, ma UDA yaliyokuwepo machache yanaozea huko kwenye mayadi mbagala, treni zetu ndio hivyo tena, badala ya kuweka njia mbili, wameweka njia moja, ina maana likienda inabidi usubiri lirudi. Sawa na mzungu mmoja akajisemea NO HURRY IN AFRICA.

Kwa sehem kubwa sisi Watanzania tunauongelea uchumi midomoni, lkn hatujui uchumi unaendana na muda.
Kama hatujui kutunza muda, uchumi utaimalikaje?
Mtu uko Dar lkn cha kutoka mbande, Chanika au Tegeta unatumia masaa matatu barabarani, ina maana ukienda na kurudi masaa sita hadi saba.
kazin unatakiwa ukae masaa nane, na wafanyakazi wadanganyifu wanachukua na time sheet ya overtime kabisa.
Kwa hesabu hiyo ya siku kwa masaa 24, masaa 14 yametumika kwa kazi na barabarani, katika masaa 24 yanasalia masaa 10 tu.

Katika hayo masaa kumi ufanye ibada, ukae na familia, upumnzike, usome vitabu na magazeti nk, then unataka innovation kwenye kazi kweli?

Songo loli wayuga!

 

[imhotep]

Kipindi cha mwalimu viwanda vingi vilikuwa vinafanya kazi vizuri tu. Tatizo sera ya ubinafsishaji ya Ben!!!

Sijui una umri gani? ila Ben Mkapa alibinafsisha vingi vikiwa vimeshakufa.

 

[mtumishiwaleo]

Hoja yako ni ipi ndugu..!! hatuna akili ya kumanage? au hatuna Hela ...!! Kama ni akili sina hakika kama kweli hatuna ...sababu mfumo wa Nchi yetu hautoi nafasi kwa watu wenye akili kuzitumia...kama ni Hela sio kweli Mahela yale Magufuli aliyotumbukiza kwenye biashara kichaa ya Ndege kwanini asingewekeza huko TIPER kisha atafute mBIA wakuiendesha na Serikali ibadi kula Kodi....na kuhusu capacity obvious nilazima kui upgrade issue ninayoona mimi ni mfumo wetu wa Nchi unaletea watu wasio na uwezo kuwa kwenye nafasi za maamuzi period

Nyie kila kitu mlitaka afanye Magufuri? Magu angilifanya mangapi, maana hata haya aliyoyafanya bado matusi na kumtungia kashifa za ufisadi, ndege kila siku wapinzani walikuwa wakiimba wimbo wa serikali kukosa ndege zake, wafanyabiashara walikuwa wanafanya wanavyotaka, Magufuri akaona isiwe tabu akazinunua sasahivi imeshakuwa alipoteza pesa, Wakati mnaona Samia kaenda kutafuta watalihi,sasa sijui watalii wangefikaje katika vivutio hivo.halafu wakati wa Magufuri tatizo la mafuta alikuwepo,mafuta yalishuka mpaka 1500k kitu ambacho hakikuwahi kutokea tangia nchi ipate uhuru,harafu tatizo la mafuta kupanda hovyo sababu Serikali wamelala,mbona Zanzibar hapo mafuta 2600 wao wanayatoa wapi?Zambia mafuta bei nafuu wakati yanapita hapa dar.Mwacheni Magufuri apumzike aliyoyafanya yanatosha mwambie Samia nae afanye maana sio fisadi anazo ela

 

[dolevaby]

Kumbe unajuwaa bunduki zilitumika, tuambie wakati wa utawala wa nani ule?

Wakati wa utawala wa ccm

 

[petrol]

Mkuu siyo kwamba kilikuwa jointly owned kati Tanzania na Italy? Nimeikuta hii mtandaoni kuhusu TIPER"

"The plant was commissioned as an oil refinery in the 1960s. It was then known as the Tanzanian and Italian Petroleum Refinary Limited (TIPER), owned jointly by the GoT and Agip (Tanzania) Limited.[6] After the signing of the agreement in 1963, it was built by the Italian state-owned Eni between February 1965 and June 1966 at a cost of TSh 100 million. In 1969, the GoT purchased half of the shares. It was a small refinery with a capacity to process 600,000 tonnes per annum.[5]

Prior to the liberalisation of the petroleum industry in 1997, TIPER produced 30 percent of the local requirements and the rest was imported by the state-owned Tanzania Petroleum Development Corporation (TPDC).[7]

In 1991, under pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF), operations ceased at the refinery to implement the country's Structural Adjustment Program. The IMF argued that it was operating at 60% of its capacity."

Tatizo nilionalo mimi ni sera ya Ben ya kubinafsisha kila kiwanda. Enzi hizo Tanzania ilikuwa hainunui lami.

Tuangalie hizo tarehe za kutekeleza ushauri wa IMF na SAP yao wakati Ben aliingia madarakani 1995. Tusimwonee mtu

 

[Ileje]

Ahh hao mbona tunapandisha kila siku, unafikiri tulihamishia wanyama kuwaweka mbuga mpya ya Chato na kuwajegea eyapoti ilikuwa kwanini?

Vipi mtu kukopa pesa za kutengeneza reli akaenda kujenga eyapoti ya Kimataifa kijijini kwao, ni sawa hivyo? Umelipata jibu? nimekupa fununu kidogo, uelewe kuwa kuna vichwa vinajua mpaka hesabu ya sato ndani ya ziwa Victoria.

Hivi eyapoti ya Chato toka ianze kutumika zimeshatua ndege ngapi za abiria au mizigo za Kimataifa?

Aisee!

 

[Eric Cartman]

Hoja yako ni ipi ndugu..!! hatuna akili ya kumanage? au hatuna Hela ...!! Kama ni akili sina hakika kama kweli hatuna ...sababu mfumo wa Nchi yetu hautoi nafasi kwa watu wenye akili kuzitumia...kama ni Hela sio kweli Mahela yale Magufuli aliyotumbukiza kwenye biashara kichaa ya Ndege kwanini asingewekeza huko TIPER kisha atafute mBIA wakuiendesha na Serikali ibadi kula Kodi....na kuhusu capacity obvious nilazima kui upgrade issue ninayoona mimi ni mfumo wetu wa Nchi unaletea watu wasio na uwezo kuwa kwenye nafasi za maamuzi period

TIPER mpaka inafungwa ilikuwa na uwezo wa kuzalisha mafuta litre laki 5 mpaka 6 kwa mwaka(based on calculation 1 crude barrel ina 80%) ni refinery ndogo sana.

China wana refineries za reja reja wanaziita ‘tea pot’ ambayo serikali yao inataka kuzifunga zinauwezo wa kuzalisha mpaka litre million 2 kwa mwaka.

Tanzania tunatumia litre billion 3.5-4 kwa mwaka za mafuta (nina wasi na hizo figure sidhani kama tumefikia huko). Either Refinery yenye kuweza kuchaka hayo mafuta ni hizi kubwa za kisasa zenye uwezo wa kuchakata 800,000 barrels a day; hiyo ni zaidi ya uwezo wa TIPER mwaka mzima ambayo mpaka inafungwa uwezo wake ilikuwa ni kuchakata 750,000 barrels mwaka mzima.

Refinery yenye kuchakata 800,000 barrels per day gharama yake ni zaidi $25 billion dollars. Hiyo hela hatuna.

 

[Renegade]

Viongozi wa CCM ndiyo walioua ilifanye biashara ya mafuta hata SGR haiendi popote

Bwawa la Nyerere litaisha?

 

[Benjamini Netanyahu]

Bwawa la Nyerere litaisha?

hawana time nalo tena sahivi wanawaza tozo pekee

 

[Kiokotee]

Kwani si Bado yupo au?

 

[WALOLA VUNZYA]

Sisi wabongo ni wababaishaji mno hakuna chochote tunachoweza kuendesha kwa ufanisi. Angalia vitu vingi tu tulivyonavyo lakini uendeshaji wake ni ubabaishaji mtupu; serikali, viwanda, bandari, utalii, chadema, nk

Unawafung Chadema makusudi kisa wewe ccm una mamlaka halafu unasema uendeshaji wa Chadema una shida hivi una akili wewe?