15 September 2026
High of Tanzania
Kivukoni Front
Treason case no. 19605 / 2025
Republic versus Tundu Lissu
Defence Witness DW5 John W. Heche has already arrived in court, it is another day 15 September 2025 court proceeding of the treason case of Hon. Tundu Lissu brought before the panel of 3 High court judges by the Republic Stay tuned
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Today September 15, 2026 Last
time we ended at Section 417
Section 418
The judges have entered the courtroom this time and the sound of the high Court.
State attorneyNassoro Katuga stands up to continue cross-examination of DW5 John W. Heche
Nassoro Katuga: Witness DW5 , good morning
JOHN Heche: Hello
Nassoro Katuga: It is your evidence that the Accused said and took a stand that we are not ready to participate in such elections which result in murder
John Heche: That stand was taken by the [CHADEMA] Party Central Committee
Nassoro Katuga: Is it correct that the stand was not to participate in such elections until changes are made?
JOHN Heche: Correct
Nassoro Katuga: You told this Court that when Lissu was visiting stakeholders, he did not say a word encouraging rebellion
John Heche: Correct
Nassoro Katuga: If there is a witness, he said that Lissu used the word rebellion when he met stakeholders
John Heche: Ask me my evidence, I will answer you, do not ask me anyone else's evidence, but the answers I gave are correct.
Nassoro Katuga: It is your evidence that the words we will encourage rebellion and you said that he did not use the word we will encourage rebellion
John Heche: It depends on the context, Lissu used the same words, it is possible that he did not use the same word but in the different context
Nassoro Katuga: In your evidence you said the media does not give equal opportunity to all
JOHN Heche: Correct
Nassoro Katuga: You said this is due to the shortcomings of the electoral system
John Heche: Correct
Nassoro Katuga: In your evidence you told the Court which law or what shortcomings of the electoral system lead to bias?
John Heche: I explained
Nassoro Katuga: Did you explain which law prevents journalists or directs journalists to report on this and not that?
John Heche: The media is always censored during elections, this country is full of impunity, laws are not followed.
Nassoro Katuga: Witness DW5, answer the question or do you want me to flatter you?
JOHN Heche: Go and flatter your wife
Nassoro Katuga: It is your evidence that agents have been experiencing inconvenience, processes are being delayed and oaths are being blocked or delayed
JOHN Heche: Correct
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Nassoro Katuga: You mentioned that it was at a certain station and a certain station?
John Heche: I said it's the whole country.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or don't you know that when you won the election you were accused of inserting fake votes until you won the election?
John Heche: You're telling me that, I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or not that when a politician loses, he doesn't accept it easily?
John Heche: We [CHADEMA]are a democratic party, if you lose you go home.
NASSORO Katuga: Tell the judges if you really went home when you lost?
John Heche: The election was not free and fair
Nassoro Katuga: So you are telling this court that if you lose and go home, it depends on the type of election?
John Heche: Elections are just one of many stages in the whole electoral process, and the Court said that an election that is not free and fair is not an election.
Nassoro Katuga: Did you accept or reject the 2015 election you won?
John Heche: I accepted it even though it had many mistakes.
Nassoro Katuga: Were the elections in your constituency free and fair?
John Heche: It was not free and fair, the councilor candidates were unfairly eliminated from the election process.
Nassoro Katuga: You know we don't act like parrots in court?
John Heche: You are the parrot.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it correct that the election in your constituency was not fair, did you have the freedom to refuse to accept the announcement or to accept the announcement?
John Heche: I forced the announcement and the election was not free and fair and this country has never had free and fair elections.
Nassoro Katuga: If you were a fair person and not a hypocrite, would you have had the power to refuse or accept being published? Is it a pepepe
John Heche: Explain the meaning of pepepe
Nassoro Katuga: pepepe is word of mouth
John Heche: Ok, I couldn't refuse to be announced because the people were very supportive of me.
Part 419
The Republic side continues to cross-examine Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the Judges that you were declared in an election that was not free and fair but you did not reject it.
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: What electoral law or any other country's law compels you not to reject an election that is declared to be free and fair?
John Heche: The citizens [declared] , I don't know the law
Nassoro Katuga: If you personally are declared the winner, does the election become unfair?
John Heche: Not true.
Nassoro Katuga: So you entered Parliament through an election that was not free and fair?
John Heche: Exactly right.
Nassoro Katuga: *Ukaserebuka [You rejoiced ]
John Heche: Is Parliament a space for rejoicing ?
Nassoro Katuga: I heard you say that there was a Director of the Electoral Commission who later went to contest for Butiama constituency?
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: Has anyone ever worked in the Government and later joined CHADEMA ?
John Heche: Yes, They are there.
Nassoro Katuga: Anyone who was a public servant, a government employee, if I say that they will have the right to join CHADEMA party ?
John Heche: If someone is still a public servant and then joins CHADEMA, they will expel them, maybe only if they have retired from the public service.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that a public servant who retires has the right to join any political party?
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: What law did the Butiama candidate break to join and run for CCM?
John Heche: According to CCM's procedures, you cannot run if you have not been a member for more than five years, so he joined CCM straight away as the Director of the Commission [INEC].
NASSORO Katuga: Is it correct that CHADEMA's position meant that the elections should be moved forward with changes?
JOHN Heche: That's right.
Nassoro Katuga: What law did you explain that allows elections to be brought forward?
John Heche: I didn't explain.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that you, Lissu, and Lema went to Kenya to see Raila [Amolo] Odinga?
John Heche: That's right.
Nassoro Katuga: In Nairobi, you told Raila [Amolo Odinga ] that you were going to prevent the election? Are we going to sabotage it?
John Heche: We explained to him all the problems of Tanzania's elections
Nassoro Katuga: I'm worried if you really got division one [Secondary School Exams]
John Heche: You have the right to be angry and worried, even though I am very worried about your University of Mzumbe Degree.
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: Please let's continue. When we finish here, you will go fight outside.
People in public gallery bust into Laughter
John Heche: Honorable judges, we talked about the same things, although we didn't use the exact words.
Nassoro Katuga: Are the information provided by Brenda [Rupia] your instructions?
John Heche: Office of the Secretary-General
Nassoro Katuga: You were asked by the defendant [Tundu Lissu ] that he was being charged with organizing the meeting and saying what he said, you said that was not true.
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: Before you came to give evidence, did you read the indictment [Charge sheet ]?
John Heche: I read it.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges, is there a section [In Charge Sheet ] where it says TunduvLissu is being charged with organizing a meeting?
John Heche: Give me the Charge Sheet to read, but I remember he was charged for the events that happened at the meeting.
Nassoro Katuga: Answer the question
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it your evidence that you said that the allegations of inviting journalists are incorrect and that the Secretariat invited them?
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges that the defendant is being charged with inviting journalists?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges whether or not Chairman Lissu wanted his speech of 3/4/2025 to reach the public
John Heche: I can't tell if he wanted it to reach the public.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true or not that on 3/4/2025, behind the closed doors internal meeting took place after the journalists were done ?
John Heche: I don't remember.
Nassoro Katuga: And were you present at the meeting?
John Heche: The beginning to the end
Nassoro Katuga: Mr. DW5 I don't remember that !.
John Heche: You want me to give you the answers you want[ while laughing].
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges whether Lissu had the power to deny or did Lissu not have the power to refuse to speak to journalists?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Did Lissu have the power to refuse or agree to speak to journalists?
John Heche: The Secretariat does not have the power to force the Chairman.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or do you not know if there was an official speech that was prepared?
John Heche: What did he prepare?
Section 420
The Republic side continues to cross-examine Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche DW5.
NASSORO Katuga: Do CHADEMA meetings keep minutes or don't ?
JOHN Heche: Not for all meetings.
Nassoro Katuga: Who was the Chairman of the 3/4/2025 meeting?
John Heche: we didn't have a Chairman.
Nassoro Katuga: Who was the main speaker at that meeting?
John Heche: national Chairman of the CHADEMA Party
Nassoro Katuga: Did you speak at that meeting?
John Heche: Yes, I spoke.
Nassoro Katuga: For How long?
John Heche: About half an hour.
Nassoro Katuga: Did you tell the Court what you said?
John Heche: I did not tell the Court the words I spoke.
Nassoro Katuga: Did You heard the Chairman say we will block the election.
John Heche : Yes
Nassoro Katuga: Did you hear the Chairman say we will disrupt this election?
John Heche: Yes, I heard.
Nassoro Katuga: You heard the Chairman say we will incite rebellion
John Heche: the chairman talked a lot of things, because it was a meeting of more than 3 hours.
Nassoro Katuga: You heard the Chairman say we will punish you very badly.
John Heche: He said and many others, not just those that you have chosen to use to open a case.
Nassoro Katuga: Did you hear him say that judges are CCMs?
John Heche: He said and presented the evidence of the judges who are members of the NCC, including Judge Augustino Ramadhani.
Nassoro Katuga: You heard him say he doesn't go to court.
John Heche: He said
Nassoro Katuga: You heard him say the police come in with fake ballot votes in bags
John Heche: He said
Nassoro Katuga: You know the defendant is being charged with a case of making false statements online in at Kisutu magistrate court.
John Heche: I know he is being charged but I don't know the crime clearly.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or not that during the initial court preliminary hearing at the lower court, Kisutu magistrate rejected the statement that the judges are CCMs?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know that this evidence of yours can be used in Kisutu?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the Judges if Lissu told you [guys] the ways to disrupt the election?
John Heche: He didn't tell us Katuga: Tell the Judges if Lissu told them ways to prevent the election?
John Heche: He didn't tell us.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the Judges if Lissu told them ways to incite rebellion?
John Heche: He didn't say.
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the Judges in your evidence if you said we should incite rebellion against whom? Did you say in your evidence at examination in chief stage ?
John Heche: I explained extensively, the Electoral Commission INEC and all electoral systems are what I explained,
NASSORO Katuga's problem is that he is trying to impose his answers on me
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: Nassoro Katuga, don't impose your answers on him
Nassoro Katuga: Is your evidence of rebellion against the Electoral Commission INEC ?
JOHN Heche: Correct
Nassoro Katuga: Was it true that the Police were involved in protecting the General Assembly where you and Lissu were elected?
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges if the Police casted the votes so that you could win
John Heche: for CHADEMA elections? They didn't cast the votes so that I could win.
Nassoro Katuga: According to the Law, who is responsible for announcing the date of the Tanzanian General Election?
John Heche: Electoral Commission INEC
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or not that the Constitution states that the Electoral Commission INEC should not be interfered with by anyone while carrying out its duties?
JOHN Heche: Which Commission? As there two of them, The Constitution proclaims the National Electoral Commission NEC and there is a Law that recognizes the Independent National Electoral Commission INEC
Nassoro Katuga: The commission that is in the constitution
John Heche: It shouldn't be, but it has been interfered with
Nassoro Katuga: Which Article of the Constitution?
John Heche: Article 74
Nassoro Katuga: Does CHADEMA really believe in Democracy?
John Heche: Absolutely no doubt that is correct
Nassoro Katuga: It is correct that No Reforms No Election is CHADEMA's position
JOHN Heche: Absolutely correct
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know that CHADEMA has the right to participate or not to participate in the general election?
John Heche: I know that is it
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know how many registered political parties are in Tanzania ?
John Heche: There are 19. But most of them are just briefcase parties, Only two serious political parties.
Nassoro Katuga: Who asked you to be serious here?
John Heche: You.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or not that other parties have their own position regarding the elections?
John Heche: It is possible
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know that the Tanzanian General Election is in accordance with the Constitution?
John Heche: The election must be FREE and FAIR and that is what it is in accordance with the Constitution, so I know.
Section 421
The Republic continues to cross-examine CHADEMA Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche DW5
Nassoro Katuga: Since it is CHADEMA 's right not to participate in the election constitutionally, it is also the right of other parties to participate in the general election.
John Heche: An election that is invalid is not fair, but for a free and fair election is right
Nassoro Katuga: Where in the Constitution is it written that an invalid election is not a right to participate
John Heche: Article 27(2) allows for challenging the misuse of public funds including elections that are not free and fair
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know what type of treason the accused is charged with?
John Heche: Publishing words with the intention of threatening the Government
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know or do you not know that the accused has been charged with issuing and publishing words with the intention of threatening the Government
John Heche: I know
Nassoro Katuga: In these words is there the word threatening the government or with the intention of threatening the Government?
John Heche: I would like to read the charge sheet, the word is intent to intimidate the government
Nassoro Katuga: In the sense of the charge Sheet, is the intention to intimidate the government or the intention to threaten the government the essence or not the essence?
John Heche: What does nucleus mean? The nucleus of an egg or???
Nassoro Katuga: Don't you know germs today?
Nassoro Katuga: Yesterday you told the judges that in the video we showed you, was the photo of you or not?
John Heche: Now if the video isn't mine, how can the picture be mine?
Nassoro Katuga: According to the charge Sheet , is the government's in fear or lack of fear not a criterion for the crime of treason?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: After your party Chairman was chsrged with this case, you continued your intention to prevent the election
John Heche: Our party's [CHADEMA] position has been the same since 2024, our position is No Reforms, No Elections.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you remember that through the media you said the 2025 elections would not be held and that you were determined?
John Heche: I don't remember.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true or not that you met with religious leaders to prevent the elections?
John Heche: It's true.
Nassoro Katuga: Did you ever make a statement through East African Radio EA RADIO to inform the public that the 2025 elections will not be held?
JOHN Heche: I've been there so many times I don't remember what you're saying.
Nassoro Katuga: Since you don't remember, are you willing to be reminded through that video?
John Heche: My position is the same as yesterday, that I am not ready because you may have fabricated and often framed cases against people.
Nassoro Katuga: If I say you're not ready because you know the truth, will I be right?
John Heche: I'm not ready because you bring fake things.
Nassoro Katuga: With the consent of the court, I request to show the witness DW5 the video.
Hon. Tundu Lissu : OBJECTION : Honourable judges, the prosecution is not alone in this case. I request that the government attorney not be allowed to remind the witness DW5 because the witness is the one who should request to be reminded of the words he said or wrote before, this is the effect of Section 177 of the Evidence Act. Honourable Judges, if the prosecution wants to use what they have to cross examine the witness DW5, they must follow the procedure of Section 63 as stated in the famous case of Lilian Fortes. Therefore, their request has no legal basis.
Judge DUNSTAN Ndunguru: He is deliberating with his fellow judges for about 7 minutes, let's see what they will decide.
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru : [asks] the prosecution what they say?
Nassoro Katuga: We have heard the objection of the accused [Tundu Lissu]. What is happening now is cross examination and its importance is under section 164 of the Evidence Act which talks about knowing the witness and another to shake the credibility of a witness.
Section 156 of the Evidence Act states that examination in chief must focus on relevant facts and not on cross examination. The witness DW5 has said he does not remember and does not want to be reminded, therefore section 177 is irrelevant.
Section 422
The Republic continues to cross-examine CHADEMA Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche witness DW5
State attorney Nassoro Katuga.: [continues to say] Your Honors, this witness DW5 asked the Court to remind him about the documents and he was reminded.Our cross examination concerns the documents that we have and yesterday we questioned him about the motocar registration cards and there was no objection, section 177 is not applicable here. Also, honorable Judges, you have given this procedure to the decisions yesterday, so you cannot give a decision twice, there will be contradiction. Even during the examination in-chief witness DW5 was shown several reports and he discussed them.Honorable Judges, we have been using this procedure in practice, so we request that we be allowed to continue with cross examination.
HON TUNDU Lissu: Your Honours, the arguments of the state attorney are baseless, he says they are using section 164 of the Evidence Act, it does not allow them to do what they want to do, the section talks about lawful questions during cross examination, it does not talk about how to remind a witness of his previous statement. If you want to remind a witness of his previous statement be it electronic or document you go to section 177, the argument of the government attorney is completely out.
HON. TUNDU LISSU (continues] The State Attorney has said that he is using section 156(2) to say that he can ask any question, this is not an argument, the argument is that you cannot remind a witness under 156(2), if you want to remind a witness you go to 163 or 177, so what he wants to do is completely disallowed.
HON. TUNDU LISSU [continues] The State Attorney has said that this happened yesterday, there was no objection, and that the court issued a decision yesterday. Now if he says there was no objection, then what was the ruling based on? Something like this did not happen yesterday and there was no ruling. The State Attorney has said that it is a matter of practice and not law. Honorable judges, it is a matter of law and not practice.
Relevant provisions ni Section 177 au 163 of the Evidence Act kwahiyo sio suala la practice it is a matter of law
Judge DUNSTAN Ndunguru: We have reviewed all the arguments, section 177 does not state that a witness DW5 shall request to be reminded, so it is appropriate to remind him so that he can answer, so we direct that the witness be reminded.
NASSORO Katuga stands up and plays a video of East Africa Radio
Nassoro Katuga: Does what you speculated have any evidence similar to the evidence you provided yesterday?
John Heche: In what area?
Nassoro Katuga: Is there really evidence of meeting with religious leaders?
John Heche: Correct.
Nassoro Katuga: It is true that the document says that you will meet with various people
John Heche: It says so.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that there are words you will meet with religious leaders?
John Heche: It's true.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that you went to East Africa Radio to speak?
John Heche: Very often
Nassoro Katuga: When did you say what you heard in the video?
John Heche: I don't remember.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that yesterday you said you did listened to Judge Mohamed Chande's speech ?
John Heche: I listened.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that the speech said that the October 2025 violence was aimed at preventing the elections?
John Heche: I don't remember that place.
Nassoro Katuga: It is true that Judge Mohamed Chande's speech said that the violence was due to long-standing claims by politicians
John Heche: I don't remember.
Nassoro Katuga: Do you remember Judge Mohamed Chande saying 16 police officers were killed?
John Heche: I don't remember, I just know people were killed.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that judge Mohamed Chande's speech said the October 29 2025 violence was planned and coordinated?
John Heche: I heard him.
Nassoro Katuga: In the video we played, there are words saying there will be no elections?
John Heche: they are There.
Nassoro Katuga: There are words saying you are determined?
John Heche: There is.
Nassoro Katuga: In your understanding, between the Penal Code and the Constitution, which one creates criminal offenses?
John Heche: I am not a lawyer.
Nassoro Katuga: When you were saying, I do you know?...
John Heche: Don't talk to me like I'm your child, stop the nonsense and harassment.
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: Let's continue.
Nassoro Katuga: When you were answering during the examination inchief, did you know it was by law?
John Heche: I spoke to my upmost best knowledge.
Nassoro Katuga: It is true that you wanted the Commission to have the authority to demacate constituencies.
Section 423
The Republic continues to cross-examine CHADEMA Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche DW5.
JOHN Heche: INEC is not independent, how can a Commission that is appointed by a CCM member who is also running for elections as presidential candidate be independent? I said the new Commission INEC that will be formed should be independent, don't come with your answers
NASSORO Katuga: Who demacate the electoral constituencies?
John Heche: The process starts at the district council level.
Nassoro Katuga: Read Article 75(3)?
John Heche He is studying.
Nassoro Katuga: Should judges read Article 75(4)?
John Heche: [He reads] that the Commission INEC can demacate new constituencies based on population.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true that under those articles the Commission INEC can divide constituencies based on population?
JOHN Heche: That's just one of the criteria.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it right or wrong for anyone who listened to the Chairman's speech to choose their own way to interpret the Chairman's speech?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it fair or unfair for anyone inspired by the Chairman's speech to choose their own path and use any means to disrupt the election?
John Heche : I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it fair or unfair for anyone who listened to the Chairman's speech to choose their own path to reject it?
John Heche: I don't know.
Nassoro Katuga: Is burning polling stations and their equipment, is it a way to prevent elections?
John Heche: It's not the way.
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Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges that burning tyres, petrol stations can disrupt the peace
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges on voting day if there is chaos that cannot be prevented, can it prevent voting?
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Tell the judges that cutting off the fingers of people who volunteered to vote on elections day can scare other people from going to vote
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Then you call yourself a witness?
John Heche: Yes, you are a witness, you are a lying lawyer who is accusing people of false cases.
Nassoro Katuga: Did you explain to the judges in your testimony that you will prevent the election in what way?
John Heche: Yes, I explained that we will visit religious leaders.
Nassoro Katuga: To prevent the election, do you meet with religious leaders?
John Heche: Because elections are made by spirits? Not people?
Today Katuga is receiving a sticks .
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true or not that burning polling stations is the definition of rebellion?
John Heche: Not true
Nassoro Katuga: What does rebellion mean?
John Heche: to oppose oppressive systems, bad laws and all evils in the country
Nassoro Katuga: Who are the ones supervising polling stations ?
John Heche: The Electoral Commission INEC Tanzania
Nassoro Katuga: Answer again,
John Heche: I have said, I have said, I have said.
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: We have heard the witness say that it is the Electoral Commission INEC / NEC
JOHN Heche: Honourable Judges, this is just Katuga's mischief he wants to tarnish me before you my Lords , but I will not accept it.
Here the Judges have laughed
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjtauathmTk
Nassoro Katuga: You said yesterday that you have never been called to the Judge Mohamed Chande Presidential Inquiry Commission?
John Heche: I was never called
Nassoro Katuga: Regarding your CHADEMA party being called, you said you were also not called?
JOHN Heche: I said I have no record of a CHADEMA leader or party being called before the judge Mohamed Chande Inquiry Commission.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it correct that the information about people being called was published in the [official] Government Gazette?
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Did you hear the judge Mohamed Chande's Commission say that there are people preventing others from going to tell what they saw on October 29, 2025 ?
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Do you know that the Commission called you and you refused to go?
John Heche: I was never called.
Nassoro Katuga: Is it correct that the judge Mohamed Chande Commission announced on various boards calling for people to testify about what they know about the events of October 29, 2025 ?
John Heche: I don't know
Nassoro Katuga: Do you reside in Tanzania or Kenya
John Heche: Tanzania
Nassoro Katuga: With the consent of the Court, I would like to show the witness the documents / letters written to him by the judge Mohamed Chande presidential Inquiry Commission [ For October 2025 violence in Tanzania].
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: Okay
Nassoro Katuga: What is that a copy of?
John Heche: It is a letter
Nassoro Katuga: In Whose name is written on it?
John Heche: John Wegesa Heche
Nassoro Katuga: How many CHADEMA Vice Chairmen are there with that title?
John Heche: There is only one called John Wegesa Heche
Nassoro Katuga: Whose mailbox is Post Office Box 31191 Dar es Salaam?
John Heche: It belongs to CHADEMA
NASSORO Katuga: What date is in that letter from?
John Heche: 21 December 2025
Nassoro Katuga: By whom is the letter signed ?
John Heche: Honorious J. Njole
Section 424
The Republic continues to cross-examine CHADEMA Vice Chairman Mainland John Heche DW5
Nassoro Katuga: How is the letter headed?
John Heche: Submitting Evidence to the judge Mohamed Chande Commission on the October 29, 2025 events??
Nassoro Katuga: Please show me the second letter
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: OK
Nassoro Katuga: What is that?
John Heche: A Letter
Nassoro Katuga: What date is on ?
John Heche: January 2026
Nassoro Katuga: To Whom was it addressed to?
John Heche: John Wegesa Heche
Nassoro Katuga: How is that letter addressed / written?
John Heche: A Call to meet with the Presidential Inquiry Commission to investigate events before, during and after the October 2025 Tanzania general elections
Nassoro Katuga: And By Whom is signed ?
John Heche: Honorious Njole
Nassoro Katuga: Please show the witness DW5 another last letter
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: okay
John Heche: I have seen it
Nassoro Katuga: Where does that letter come from?
John Heche: Presidential Inquiry Commission to Investigate the Events of October 29, 2025
Nassoro Katuga: What date is on it?
John Heche: 2 January 2026
Nassoro Katuga: Who was the addressee?
John Heche: CHADEMA party Secretary General
Nassoro Katuga: What did the letter needed ?
John Heche: To meet with the Commission to Investigate the Events of October 29.
Nassoro Katuga: Would you like those letters to be part of your evidence?
John Heche: No
Nassoro Katuga: Are you aware that the Presidential Inquiry Commission announced that anyone who does not want to go should send photos, documents or videos about those events?
John Heche: I do not know
Nassoro Katuga: Please show me other documents
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: okay
Nassoro Katuga: DW5, What is that?
DW5 John Heche: Public information
Nassoro Katuga: What does it invite the public to do?
John Heche: [He reads], it is inviting people to testify about the aftermath of violences in Tanzania during October 29, 2025
Nassoro Katuga: What methods of delivery / responding are mentioned?
John Heche: By mobile SMS even on WhatsApp, sms, email etc
Nassoro Katuga: Are you part of the public?
John Heche: I am part of the public
Nassoro Katuga: Please show him other documents
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: okay
Nassor Katuga: What is that document?
John Heche: Public Information / Announcement
Nassoro Katuga: How is it headed / written
John Heche: Presidential Commission of Inquiry
Hon. Lissu: It is now exactly One o'clock and we should go for a health break
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: let him finish that little bit remaining
Nassoro Katuga: What did the information aim to reveal to the public?
John Heche: [He reads] That there have been people who are persuading people not to participate in providing information to the * Presidential commission on inquiry about the events of October 29, 2025 ……… “
* Tanzania's Presidential Commission of Inquiry, led by retired Chief Justice Mohamed Chande Othman, which investigated the deadly post-election unrest in 2025
Nassoro Katuga: Is it true CHADEMA doesnt have trust in judge Mohamed Chande [Presidential] Commision of Inquiry
John Heche: That is Correct
Nassoro Katuga: Did CHADEMA gave judge Chande's Commission of Inquiry any support
John Heche: How can it be given support, while CHADEMA was not invited by the Chande's Commission ?
Hon Tundu Lissu: My Lords, during cross examination proceedings do the prosecutors side have privilege to continue non stop ?
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: [Accussed] I get you, let them finish with their last question
Judge Dunstan Ndunguru: The proceeding is now adjourned till 14:40hrs plus 5 extra minutes.
High Coooouuuuurrrrrttttt
The panel of 3 Judges are leaving the court chamber
RE EXAMINATION BY TUNDU LISSU:
Re Examination by Tundu Lissu on his defence witness DW 5 John Heche, who earlier in the court proceeding underwent a gruelling cross examination by the state attorney Nassoro Katuga
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgGfYcSvIA
