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Jesus is not god.
Mungu gani anakwenda haja kubwa na haja ndogo?
Mungu gani ambae anapigwa na kulia kama mtoto mdogo.
Mapungufu ya kisheria katika Kesi ya Yesu (kwa mujibu wa sheria ya wayahudi)
Mapungufu ya kisheria katika Kesi ya Yesu (kwa mujibu wa sheria ya wayahudi)
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Jesus is not god.
Mungu gani anakwenda haja kubwa na haja ndogo?
Mungu gani ambae anapigwa na kulia kama mtoto mdogo.
Ishmael
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Remember, Jesus is both God and man, second person of the Trinity, and the word made flesh (John 1:1, 14). Since He was both divine and man, as a man, He would naturally and properly say that His Father was the only True God. He was not denying His own divinity but affirming the Trueness of God as was done in the OT: 'And now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that Thou alone, Lord, art God.' (Isaiah 37:20). The truth is that Jesus was a man made under the Law (Gal. 4:4); and as a man, He would be subject to God. Only in this case, Jesus was subject to the Father. That is why Jesus called the Father the only true God; but it is not a phrase that excludes Christ, for Christ Himself said, "Before Abraham was, I am" (John 8:58) and did not deny being called God by Thomas in John 20:28.
Ishmael
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I can see you are now dodging your prior argument of "MY FATHER'S BUSINESS". In the book of Matthew in Chapter 2, the kings came to him, and they bought him gold, frankincense and myrrh.Jesus had so much money that he needed a treasurer: The New Testament describes Judas as the treasurer for Jesus disciples. Why would a band of 12 men need a treasurer if they didnt have some treasures, You need a treasurer when you have surplus.
lutemi
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Shida yenu mnaeleza kitu msichokijua mambo ya theological issues you can't argues in law sector thus why hamuwezi elewa why Jesus alihukumiwa.... na kwanini aliuwawa although hakuwa na hatia kwa mujibu wa taurati na hukumu ya rumi ambao walikuwa watawala politically
gkileo
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Niliwahi kuona mahali kua kuna Mkenya anawashtaki wayahudi kwa Kumuua Yesu kinyume Cha sheria.
gkileo
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Mwanasheria wa Kenya ameanzisha mchakato wa kupinga mateso na hukumu ya kifo kwa Yesu Kristo, akisema kwamba ilikuwa kinyume cha sheria na kwamba Israel na baadhi ya mataifa yanatakiwa kuwajibika.
Mwanasheria huyo, Dola Indidis (pichani) ambaye aliwahi kuwa msemaji wa Mahakama nchini Kenya amesema kwamba amefikisha shauri hilo kwenye Mahakama ya Kimataifa ya Haki (ICJ), International Court of Justice, iliyopo The Hague, Uholanzi.
Indidis katika mashtaka yake anahoji kesi isiyo ya haki dhidi ya Yesu, kifungo, adhabu na kifo chake.
Agosti 2007 alifungua kesi hiyo kwenye Mahakama Kuu ya Nairobi kwa niaba ya Marafiki wa Yesu. Hata hivyo mahakama mwaka 2011 ilitoa uamuzi kwa kusema haina mamlaka na kumwomba mtoa maombi kwenda ICJ.
Indidis anataka ifahamike ni uhalifu gani alifanya Yesu hadi kufikia hatua ya kushtakiwa, na anaitaka mahakama itamke kuwa mwenendo wa mashtaka dhidi ya Yesu haukufuata taratibu za kisheria kwa wakati huo na hata sasa.
Mahakama (ICJ) imewasiliana na mimi. Sasa nasubiri tarehe ya kwenda Uholanzi kusikiliza kesi hiyo, alisema Indidis.
Indidis aliendelea kusema: Nimefungua kesi hii kwa sababu ni jukumu langu kuenzi heshima ya Yesu na nimekwenda ICJ kutafuta haki kwa ajili ya mtu kutoka Nazareth. Kesi hii siyo kwa masuala ya kilokole. Ni kuhusu sheria na ni jukumu la mahakama kusadia maendeleo ya sheria, alisema Indidis.
Alisema amekwenda ICJ kuhoji hukumu aliyopewa Yesu, kwamba alihukumiwa kwa makosa na alituhumiwa bila kufanya kosa lolote.
Indidis alisema japokuwa walalamikiwa wengi kwa sasa ni marehemu, bado anaona uzito wa kesi na kwamba itaweka utaratubu kwa siku za baadaye.
Kesi hiyo kwa mara ya kwanza ilifikishwa Mahakama Kuu ya Kenya chini ya kifungu namba 65 na 67 cha Katiba ya Kenya (ambayo sasa imerekebishwa).
Walalamikaji katika kesi hiyo ni Marafiki wa Yesu kupitia kwa Dola Indidis, ambao wanawashtaki mtawala wa Roma Tiberius, Pontius Pilate (Pilato) ambaye ni Gavana wa Judea, Annas, Padri Mkuu wa Wayahudi, kiongozi wa Wayahudi, Walimu wa sheria wa Kiyahudi, Mfalme Herod, Jamhuri ya Italia na Taifa la Israel.
Kwenye kesi hiyo taasisi ya kiraia ya kutetea haki ya Kenya na Humprey Odanga Achala, wameorodheshwa katika sehemu ya watu wenye masilahi na kesi hiyo. Alisema ametumia kifungu cha Marafiki wa Yesu kwenye Agano Jipya kufungua kesi hiyo.
Chanzo:- mwanchi
Mwanasheria huyo, Dola Indidis (pichani) ambaye aliwahi kuwa msemaji wa Mahakama nchini Kenya amesema kwamba amefikisha shauri hilo kwenye Mahakama ya Kimataifa ya Haki (ICJ), International Court of Justice, iliyopo The Hague, Uholanzi.
Indidis katika mashtaka yake anahoji kesi isiyo ya haki dhidi ya Yesu, kifungo, adhabu na kifo chake.
Agosti 2007 alifungua kesi hiyo kwenye Mahakama Kuu ya Nairobi kwa niaba ya Marafiki wa Yesu. Hata hivyo mahakama mwaka 2011 ilitoa uamuzi kwa kusema haina mamlaka na kumwomba mtoa maombi kwenda ICJ.
Indidis anataka ifahamike ni uhalifu gani alifanya Yesu hadi kufikia hatua ya kushtakiwa, na anaitaka mahakama itamke kuwa mwenendo wa mashtaka dhidi ya Yesu haukufuata taratibu za kisheria kwa wakati huo na hata sasa.
Mahakama (ICJ) imewasiliana na mimi. Sasa nasubiri tarehe ya kwenda Uholanzi kusikiliza kesi hiyo, alisema Indidis.
Indidis aliendelea kusema: Nimefungua kesi hii kwa sababu ni jukumu langu kuenzi heshima ya Yesu na nimekwenda ICJ kutafuta haki kwa ajili ya mtu kutoka Nazareth. Kesi hii siyo kwa masuala ya kilokole. Ni kuhusu sheria na ni jukumu la mahakama kusadia maendeleo ya sheria, alisema Indidis.
Alisema amekwenda ICJ kuhoji hukumu aliyopewa Yesu, kwamba alihukumiwa kwa makosa na alituhumiwa bila kufanya kosa lolote.
Indidis alisema japokuwa walalamikiwa wengi kwa sasa ni marehemu, bado anaona uzito wa kesi na kwamba itaweka utaratubu kwa siku za baadaye.
Kesi hiyo kwa mara ya kwanza ilifikishwa Mahakama Kuu ya Kenya chini ya kifungu namba 65 na 67 cha Katiba ya Kenya (ambayo sasa imerekebishwa).
Walalamikaji katika kesi hiyo ni Marafiki wa Yesu kupitia kwa Dola Indidis, ambao wanawashtaki mtawala wa Roma Tiberius, Pontius Pilate (Pilato) ambaye ni Gavana wa Judea, Annas, Padri Mkuu wa Wayahudi, kiongozi wa Wayahudi, Walimu wa sheria wa Kiyahudi, Mfalme Herod, Jamhuri ya Italia na Taifa la Israel.
Kwenye kesi hiyo taasisi ya kiraia ya kutetea haki ya Kenya na Humprey Odanga Achala, wameorodheshwa katika sehemu ya watu wenye masilahi na kesi hiyo. Alisema ametumia kifungu cha Marafiki wa Yesu kwenye Agano Jipya kufungua kesi hiyo.
Chanzo:- mwanchi
H1N1
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kuamini.Yesu na Muhammad wakati mmoja ni lazima uwe na tatizo kichwani.
Either umwamini Yesu kuwa ni mwana wa Mungu or Umwaminj Muhammad kuwa mungu hana mwana kwa kuwa hana mke.
H1N1
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mungu wako kuna mambo anaweza na mengine hawezi ?
kama ni muweza wa yote unapata wapi ujasiri wa kichaa kuhujo juu ya mungu kutenda au kutotenda jambo fulani ?
nambokola
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Mkuu Ishmael,
Kutakua kuna confusion aidha kutoka kwako ww ama kutoka kwenye bible maana biblia inasema "hakuna aliyewahi muona mungu akaishi" au kama ilivyoandikwa.Halafu ww unasema Jesus ni mungu na yy aliishi kama binadamu wengine walivyoishi na alionekana jee biblia iko wrong ama ww. Na kama jesus alikua ni mungu, pia alijua kwamba kifo kile kilikua lazima kwake ili neno litimie kwanini alikua anaomba kwa mungu mwengine wakati yy alishajua kama atakufa ili kuwaokoa waliona dhambi.
"Jesus is both god and man" lakini biblia inasema "Mungu habadiliki badiliki" au kama ilivyoandikwa sasa ipi iko sawa ni ww ama biblia.
Mkuu, "business" ni zaidi ya kuuza na kununua.
Neno hili linaweza kutumika likimaanisha "kazi au jukumu"
e.g mind your own business.
mswele
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haki za watoto ww unazijua??au umebebeshwa mawazo na wavunjao haki za watt wakidai wanawatetea(US)
Ishmael
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His Father's business. Luke 2: 49 And He said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
All I did is to "quote" the verse and you are arguing. JF bana.
Ishmael
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Jesus has two natures. He was God incarnate 100% and He was a Man 100%. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh (John 1:1, 14). This means that in the single person of Jesus he has both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1, 14). Instead, the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him," nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word." (Heb. 1:3). Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action":
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[TD]GOD[/TD]
[TD]MAN[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33)[/TD]
[TD]He worshiped the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He prayed to the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He knows all things (John 21:17)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He gives eternal life (John 10:28)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He died (Rom. 5:8)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)[/TD]
[TD]
He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)
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[/TABLE]
Awali ulizungumzia Yesu kuwa na hela kwakuwa alifanya "business" na ukanukuu kifungu hicho, kitu ambacho kimantiki hakina uhusiano na kuwa na hela.
Ishmael
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Jesus had so much money that He needed a treasurer: The New Testament describes Judas as the "treasurer" for Jesus' disciples. "Why would a band of 12 men need a treasurer if they didn't have some treasures," "You need a treasurer when you have surplus."
Sina tatizo na hilo kwa sasa lakini je, ulichosema kinaendana na Luke 2:49?
Gamba la Nyoka
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More of philosophy than reality!
Vitabu vingine vimefafanua hivi:
◄ Luke 2:49 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"
New Living Translation
"But why did you need to search?" he asked. "Didn't you know that I must be in my Father's house?"
English Standard Version
And he said to them, Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Fathers house?
◄ Luke 2:49 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"
New Living Translation
"But why did you need to search?" he asked. "Didn't you know that I must be in my Father's house?"
English Standard Version
And he said to them, Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Fathers house?