Mapungufu ya kisheria katika Kesi ya Yesu (kwa mujibu wa sheria ya wayahudi)

[Tiger]

I don't care about Mosques et al. What I care is my kingship with Him. That is whats up, in contrast, the command is to follow Jesus.

Then tell me, can you build a church without money?

 

[Ishmael]

Mkuu Ishmael,

May be there is a language barrier between us but i will speak the same language as you from now on.
We have to agree that a Holly scripture should not contain contradictions but it seems that you or the bible are contradict.However if there are two conflicting verse,then only one can be true,both can never be true or or both are wrong.

There is no any contradiction in the infallible word.

Jesus has two nature (devine+human) but this then is in contradiction with many passages in the bible😀eutoronomy 4:39 ....... that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath:there is none else.Deutoronomy 6:4 Hear, O israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. I think you guys are reading the bible upside down and in my previous comment i told you clearly that when you read Malachi 3-6 it says "I am the LORD, and I do not change" so it shows that jesus is not god because god does not change so having two nature is impossible to god.

I already gave you infallible word/verses to support my argument. All you can do is to refute them. The scriptures clearly says Jesus is God.


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[TD]GOD[/TD]
[TD]MAN[/TD]
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[TD]He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33)[/TD]
[TD]He worshiped the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He prayed to the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He knows all things (John 21:17)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He gives eternal life (John 10:28)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He died (Rom. 5:8)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)[/TD]
[TD]He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)
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Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh this is John1:1 then how many gods are there? read isaiah 43:10-11 .........."and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". From isaiah 44:6 it says "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God". We can conclude that God alone was the creator and no one else,not even Jesus,participated in the creation as we can see in the isaiah 45:18.Moreover, John 1:1 should be written ........and the word was God's. The mistake could have been in the translation from Aramaic to Greek,deliberately or not. In the Greek language Theos is God,but Theou means God's (see greek dictionary,greek bible or Muhammad in the bible by professor.Abdul - Ahad Dawud,former Bishop of Uramiah page 16).A difference of only one letter but big consequences.

That is why we talk about TRINITY. The Father is God. The Son is God and the Spirit is God.

But

why jesus called a word of god because in the Quraan jesus was called a word from Allah if you read surah 3:45 "Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah"
Because the creation of jesus in the womb of Mary was without the agency of a sperm,just only with the decree of Allah:"Be", as mentioned in the same surah 3:47"She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is".

Jesus is called the word of God because the WORD IS GOD. The word created everything.

The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh it is funny to see people still believe that jesus is part of the god or the god while there are many verses in the bible which shows differently, i will show you some of them to see if jesus was god or part of god as you claim or his devine nature was not changed so i dont know which one to believe you or the bible: read 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; it is very clear, i cant understand why it is so difficult for christians to understand a simple language look the simple expression the man christ jesus.

There is nothing funny when you quote the Scripture.

"sitotumia ukali wa hasira yangu sitarudi kumuangamiza efrehemu kwa maana mimi ni mungu mimi si mwana adamu". Bible and another one 17:1-3 yohana Na uzima wa milele ndio huu wakujue ww mungu wa pekee na yesu christo uliyemtuma na anayetumwa na mungu anakuwa mtume ama mungu Now you can either say that John 1:1 is right and all other verses are wrong,or reverse.

Jesus is calling God "FATHER" Hivi anamuita Baba kwa kutumia misingi ipi? Muhammad never called Allah "FATHER" Do you know why?

Quraan 5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

Quran is fallible and written after the facts. So, your argument is not airtight and slippery slop.

Number 1 and 1b is confusing.

Is there any verse in the Bible which Jesus himself says im god?

No, the Bible is not confusing.

 

[Ishmael]

Then tell me, can you build a church without money?

Many people today understand the church as a building. The word "church" comes from the Greek "ekklesia" which means "gathering" or "assembly." Therefore, the church is the gathering of the believers who come together to participate in fellowship with one another as they worship God and hear from His Word, the Bible. The church as a whole has been equipped with people possessing different spiritual gifts (Rom. 12:5-8). The purpose of the gifts is "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; [SUP]13[/SUP] until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ." (Eph. 4:12-13).The Christian church was founded by Jesus, and He is its Head and Savior (Col. 1:18; Eph. 5:23). Being in the church, the Christian is subject to the Lordship of Jesus (Eph. 5:24) through the administration of the Word of God.

" The root meaning of "church" is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building.Romans 16:5 says "… greet the church that is in their house." Paul refers to the church in their house-not a church building, but a body of believers.

The church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head. Ephesians 1:22-23 says, "And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way." The body of Christ is made up of all believers in Jesus Christ from the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2) until Christ's return.

 

[Tiger]

I am, through the Holy Spirit just like Paul or Luke was....

To be more precise. I am a JOINT heir with Christ, a king and a priest through His precious blood to God and the Father. Revelation 1 : 5.

Through Holy Spirit, it's okay but not by the "man himself".

 

[Elungata]

I am sure a careful reading of the gospels reveals that Jesus was a terrorist.
A terrorist is someone who is willing to use violence to achieve political aims.
There is no doubt that in the decades before, during and after Jesus¡¯ time many of the Palestinian Jews, and particularly the poor peasant Jews of Galilee, felt degraded and oppressed by the Romans who had killed or sold into slavery many of their relatives. Many Jewish Galilean peasants were even angry with their more urban fellow Jews who had partially assimilated into the Graeco-Roman culture.
A young pure-blooded Jew like Jesus would have hated the Romans with a passion. He would have regarded Romans as an inferior class of people, not God¡¯s chosen, illegitimate impostors who ruled only by virtue of the fact they had a very powerful and brutal army. We should appreciate that Jesus¡¯ audience were poor, oppressed peasants who suffered under the burdens of taxation, landlessness, unemployment and perceived religious discrimination.
If something lives in the sea, looks like a fish, swims like a fish and gets caught on a hook, that something is a fish. Jesus lived in a time and place that was a hotbed of political unrest, he had the right pedigree to be a zealot, he talked, lived and died like a zealot, so therefore he was a zealot. He was the leader of a group of tough talking Galilean militants, men who were angry that Romans were in charge of God¡¯s holy land. He wanted to free his people from Roman rule and create a glorious Israel. The evidence for this is in the Bible

 

[Elungata]

There is no doubt that the supposed words of Jesus in the gospels have torn families apart.
I'm referring to the real historical character Jesus, who i believe probably existed. I think he was a young Jewish militant. I don't think he was a preacher of benign ethics, but a man who tried to start a war with Rome.
Jesus wanted to be a king, and he was willing to use violence to achieve his aims . He said
“But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence.” (Luke 19:27 NJB

 

[Ishmael]

I am sure a careful reading of the gospels reveals that Jesus was a terrorist.
A terrorist is someone who is willing to use violence to achieve political aims.
There is no doubt that in the decades before, during and after Jesus¡¯ time many of the Palestinian Jews, and particularly the poor peasant Jews of Galilee, felt degraded and oppressed by the Romans who had killed or sold into slavery many of their relatives. Many Jewish Galilean peasants were even angry with their more urban fellow Jews who had partially assimilated into the Graeco-Roman culture.
A young pure-blooded Jew like Jesus would have hated the Romans with a passion. He would have regarded Romans as an inferior class of people, not God¡¯s chosen, illegitimate impostors who ruled only by virtue of the fact they had a very powerful and brutal army. We should appreciate that Jesus¡¯ audience were poor, oppressed peasants who suffered under the burdens of taxation, landlessness, unemployment and perceived religious discrimination.
If something lives in the sea, looks like a fish, swims like a fish and gets caught on a hook, that something is a fish. Jesus lived in a time and place that was a hotbed of political unrest, he had the right pedigree to be a zealot, he talked, lived and died like a zealot, so therefore he was a zealot. He was the leader of a group of tough talking Galilean militants, men who were angry that Romans were in charge of God¡¯s holy land. He wanted to free his people from Roman rule and create a glorious Israel. The evidence for this is in the Bible

Kijana hii ngoma huiwezi. WEWE nenda kule kwenye udaku. It fits your descriptions.

 

[Ishmael]

There is no doubt that the supposed words of Jesus in the gospels have torn families apart.
I'm referring to the real historical character Jesus, who i believe probably existed. I think he was a young Jewish militant. I don't think he was a preacher of benign ethics, but a man who tried to start a war with Rome.
Jesus wanted to be a king, and he was willing to use violence to achieve his aims . He said
"But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence." (Luke 19:27 NJB

Jesus is the King of Kings. You are wrong Dirk.

YESU ANASEMA: MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI UPANGA!
Leo nitajibu haya madai ya Upanga.
Waumini wa dini ya Kiislam katika Mihadhara mbalimbali ya kidini wamekuwa na tabia ya kutumia aya YA UPANGA iliyopo katika Mathayo 10: 34 inayo sema ''MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI UPANGA! Waislam wanadai kuwa, katika aya hii, Yesu alikuja kuleta UPANGA na si Habari Njema kama tufundishavyo sisi Wakristo.


Kwa kuwa Waislam kazi yao ni kutoa kashfa na kuutukana Ukristo, wahadhiri hao wa Dini ya Uislamu hufundisha jamii kwa kutumia Qurani na Biblia na kusema kuwa eti Yesu alikuja kuleta UPANGA na Hivyo Basi Ukristo ni dini ya UPANGA. Fundisho hili la "MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI UPANGA! " wanalieneza kwa kupitia Mitandao mbalimbali kama ya Radio, Vijarida, Mihadhara, vitabu na Kanda (cassettes) za Video na Audio. Na hivyo kuwafanya baadhi ya Wakristo kuingiwa na wasiwasi kutokana na jinsi hawa Wahadhiri wa Dini ya Uislamu wanavyo toa kashfa chafu kwa Yesu Kristo ambaye ni Masiah. Na baadhi ya Wakristo wengine ingawa hawajabadili dini wanaamini hivyo. Swali la muhimu la kujiuliza kwa kila Mkristo, je, ni kweli Yesu alikuja kuleta UPANGA? Nakusihi fuatilia somo hili kwa makini ili kujua Ukweli wa aya hii:


Ngoja niiweke hiyo aya:
Mathayo 10:34''MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI UPANGA!
Ukitazama na kusikiliza kwa haraka haraka namna wahadhiri hao wa Dini ya Uislamu wanavyoifunda hii aya ya Biblia unaweza ukashawishika kuamini hicho wanachokifundisha, lakini ni vyema tukajifundisha kwa undani kadiri maneno ya Yesu kuwa "MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI UPANGA!" kisha tuone kama kuna ukweli juu ya hayo mafundisho yao, ya kusema kuwa Yesu alikuja kuleta Upanga na si kutangaza Habari Njema kwa Mataifa yote.


Haya tuanze utafiti wetu.
Kwanza tujiuluize, Je, Yesu analeta Upanga wa ainga gani? Yesu anazungumzi Upanga ambao ni "Neno la Mungu". Neno la Mungu linagawanya na au kukata Mabaya na kuacha mazuri. Hebu kwanza tuyasome maagizo yake kwa wanafuzi. Mathayo 10 aya 16: Inasema: Sasa, mimi nawatuma ninyi kama kondoo kati ya mbwa mwitu. Muwe na busara kama nyoka, na wapole kama njiwa. Katika hii AYA, Yesu anawaambia Wanafunzi wake wawe na Busara na Wapole, Hatusomi katia hii aya kuwa anawaambia wabebe Upanga. Je, Yesu alipo sema Upanga, alimaanisha nini? Hebu tuendelee na somo letu.


Sasa tuangalie aya ya 1 inasema: "Yesu aliwaita wanafunzi wake kumi na wawili, akawapa uwezo wa kutoa pepo wachafu na kuponya magonjwa na maradhi yote". Upanga unao zungumziwa hapa ni uwezo ambao Yesu aliwapa Wanafunzi wake. Unaweza kuniuliza uwezo huo ni nini?


Hebu tusome Kitabu cha Waefeso ili tuweze kuelewa nini hasa maana ya Upanga na Uwezo wa kutoa Pepo na Kuponya kama alivyo wapa Wanafunzi wake.
Waefeso 6:17
17 Vaeni wokovu kama kofia ya vita vichwani na chukueni UPANGA wa Roho ambao ni neno la Mungu.
Kutokana na ayah hii ya Waefeso, tumeweza kufunguliwa macho yetu ya Kiroho na kuelewa kuwa UPANGA NI NENO LA MUNGU.

Kwasabau Waislam wanakubali kuwa Yesu kaleta Upanga ambao sasa tunaelewa nini maana yake kutoka na Ushaidi wa Waefeso. Basi leo hii hawa Waislam hawatakuwa na jinsi ya kujitetea bali kukubali kuwa Upanga ambao ni Neno la Mungu ni wa kufuatwa kama alivyo sema Yesu katika Mathayo 10: 34.

Ni matumaini yangu kuwa leo hii umeweza kujua kwa undani maana ya "MSIDHANI NALIKUJA KULETA AMANI DUNIANI, LAAA! BALI (UPANGA) NENO LA MUNGU!" na Yesu alipo sema hayo alikuwa anatufahamisha kuwa neon La Mungu ni Sawa na Upanga Mkali unao tenganisha na au toa Mabaya yote kwa Binadamu.

 

[Elungata]

Obama signs ¡®Jesus theterrorist¡¯ bill forJesus¡¯ bank terrorism, treason, 9/11 deaths
Posted onJuly 11, 2013byCarl Herman
(Satire)😛resident Obama announced ata White House press conference today that he signed into law ¡°Jesus theterrorist¡± bill, blamingJesus as the world¡¯s firstterrorist, and inspiring treason and terrorism today. US Christians will be taxed forJesus¡¯ bank terrorism if they don¡¯t renounceJesus. Press conference excerpts:
President Obama: It¡¯sa hard truth thatJesus wasaterrorist and traitor to his government. Please give mea few moments to explain:
His first act upon arriving toa major Empire city was to stageaterrorist attack upon banks, and without concern this occurred withinJudaism¡¯s most sacred religious temple.Jesus, like Hitler, wasa fanatic leader we need to take at his word:Jesus swore to reject peace and live by the sword. His conviction for treason is justified by his actions: his fellow terroristsattacked peace officers with an assault sword, andJesusclaimed to be ¡°king¡± in attempt to violently overthrow the Empire¡¯s government.
The Empire didn¡¯t negotiate with thisterrorist: they executed him.
So what do we do asa nation under law when so many Americans worshipaterrorist? Because we respect 1st Amendment rights in this country, we¡¯re not calling Christians domestic terrorists yet. But becauseJesus is arguably history¡¯s firstterrorist, it¡¯s only right that today¡¯s followers ofJesus help pay the costs of terrorism today.Jesus wasa teacher alright,a teacher of terrorists like those who attacked America on 9/11. Therefore, today I¡¯m signing into law ¡°Jesus theterrorist¡± bill for Christians to atone forJesus¡¯ sins.
Q: Are you blamingJesus for the 9/11terrorist attacks?
Obama:Jesus¡¯ attack on Jerusalem bankers showedJesus and terrorism are one.

 

[Tiger]

Many people today understand the church as a building. The word "church" comes from the Greek "ekklesia" which means "gathering" or "assembly." Therefore, the church is the gathering of the believers who come together to participate in fellowship with one another as they worship God and hear from His Word, the Bible. The church as a whole has been equipped with people possessing different spiritual gifts (Rom. 12:5-8). The purpose of the gifts is "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; [SUP]13[/SUP] until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ." (Eph. 4:12-13).The Christian church was founded by Jesus, and He is its Head and Savior (Col. 1:18; Eph. 5:23). Being in the church, the Christian is subject to the Lordship of Jesus (Eph. 5:24) through the administration of the Word of God.

” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building.Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

The church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head. Ephesians 1:22-23 says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” The body of Christ is made up of all believers in Jesus Christ from the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2) until Christ’s return.

Acha mbwembwe bwana mkubwa, wale wanaokwenda pale St. Joseph, posta ya zamani wanasalia chini ya mti?
Au unataka kuyakana makanisa?
Wait a minute, hivi baada ya wazazi wa Yesu kumtafuta mtoto wao, walimkuta wapi?
Luka 2:49.

 

[Elungata]

tatizo ishmael anahubiri wakati lengo la uzi ni kumjadili yesu kama historical figure.
upanga tutaendelea kuutafsiri kama upanga

 

[Elungata]

There is no argument that Jesus as he is written up in the gospels did do those nice things. What we need to realise is that the gospels were written many decades after Jesus' death by people trying to convince others to join a new cult. I believe the benign aspects of Jesus' bibliography are fabricated.
First century Galilee was a hotbed of political unrest. Peasant Galileans hated their Roman oppressors. I believe if we read the gospels bearing this in mind we get very strong hints of who the real Jesus was. For example Jesus said
"From the time of John the Baptist the Kingdom of heaven has been advancing violently, and the violent take it by force." (Matthew 11;12)
¡°¡-if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.¡± (Luke 22: 36 NJB). Jesus was getting his fellow Jews ready for the big fight. He knew nothing about ¡°blessed are the peacemakers¡± and ¡°turn the other cheek¡±. When push came to shove a determined young Jesus was ready to fight for God, for Israel and for his own glory!Whether you are called a "freedom fighter" or something else, if you are willing to use violence to achieve your political aims, you are by definition a terrorist

 

[Elungata]

Consider how Jesus was arrested...
There is no doubt Jesus and his disciples were outplayed. The Romans made the first move by arresting him in the garden of Gethsemane while the Jewish populace slept. John’s Gospel claimed a cohort of Roman soldiers was sent to arrest him:
“Judas the traitor knew the place well, since Jesus had often met his disciples there, and he bought the cohort to this place together with a detachment of guards sent by the chief priests and Pharisees, all with lanterns and torches and weapons.” (John 18:3 J.B). Matthew called this crowd “a great multitude with swords and clubs”. Luke called them a “multitude”. Mark claimed they came “from the chief priests, the scribes and the elders.” (Mark 14:43 NJB). A cohort was a uniquely Roman term referring to 500 Roman soldiers, roughly equivalent to 40 football teams of men. Would the Romans have sent this many soldiers to arrest a benign, peace-loving preacher who thought he was God? Of course not. Jesus was a big fish with an entourage of supporters and he needed to be decisively crushed

 

[nambokola]

There is no any contradiction in the infallible word.



I already gave you infallible word/verses to support my argument. All you can do is to refute them. The scriptures clearly says Jesus is God.


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[TD]MAN[/TD]
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[TD]He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33)[/TD]
[TD]He worshiped the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He prayed to the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He knows all things (John 21:17)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He gives eternal life (John 10:28)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He died (Rom. 5:8)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)[/TD]
[TD]He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)[/TD]
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That is why we talk about TRINITY. The Father is God. The Son is God and the Spirit is God.


Jesus is called the word of God because the WORD IS GOD. The word created everything.

There is nothing funny when you quote the Scripture.


Jesus is calling God "FATHER" Hivi anamuita Baba kwa kutumia misingi ipi? Muhammad never called Allah "FATHER" Do you know why?


Quran is fallible and written after the facts. So, your argument is not airtight and slippery slop.


No, the Bible is not confusing.

I have refuted most of your arguments but it seems that may be its difficult for you to understand or you doing it deliberatelly and is that how you refute the argument. Lets start where i have highlighted, again where in the bible jesus himself says im god worship me.

 

[Elungata]

Jesus was born in Palestine, probably about 4BC. He was Jewish and he was poor. Jewish peasants were farmers who lived in simple houses made out of mud, stone and straw. They lived a subsistence existence and were usually malnourished. Life was a struggle in ancient Israel.
The Roman Empire ruled Palestine and peasant Jews deeply resented the fact because they were heavily burdened by tax. At the time Jesus lived there was a widespread hope amongst most poor Jews that a Messiah would lead the people in a revolt, thereby establishing a more equitable kingdom of God. The messiah was to bring an end to the rule of the Romans and an end to exploitation, injustice, famine and disease.
In 4 BCE, possibly the year Jesus was born, many Jews in Galilee revolted. The Roman army responded with brutal force. Three thousand Jews were massacred. Mary, Jesus¡¯ mother, was a vulnerable teenage girl and Jesus¡¯ biological father may have been a Roman soldier.
In 6 CE, maybe when Jesus was about 10 years old, there was another Jewish revolt in Galilee, and 2000 Jews were killed. A young Jesus probably watched the battle from a distance and saw the survivors crucified on wooden crosses.

 

[Elungata]

He may have seen a long line of Jewish widows and their children marched off to slavery in Rome.
The Jews who fought in these wars were known as zealots. Galilee, where Jesus grew up, was the heartland of zealotry.
Jesus was a Jew, never a Christian. He would have been circumcised, proud of the fact he was a descendent of Abraham and David, eaten only kosher food, and kept holy the Sabbath. He would have felt an affinity with the land of Israel that had been given to God’s chosen people, his people, the Jews. The fact that Romans were in charge would have made the young Jesus very angry. He would have hated them with a passion because he was poor, suppressed, and fanatically religious.
If something lives in the sea, looks like a fish, swims like a fish and gets caught on a hook, that something is a fish. Jesus lived in a time and place that was a hotbed of zealotry, he talked, lived and died like a zealot, so he was a zealot. How do I know? It is in the Bible.
Herod, the Roman’s puppet king, executed Jesus’ cousin, John the Baptist, because he thought he was a zealot.

 

[Elungata]

Herod pursued Jesus around the Galilean countryside with the intention of killing him too.
One of Jesus' very own disciples, Simon (probably his brother), was named twice as a zealot (Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13). Three other disciples, namely James, another of Jesus’ brothers, Simon Peter and John had nicknames commonly given to zealots.
Consider what Matthew has as Jesus’ attitude to violence…
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34 NJB).
The Gospels have it that Jesus wandered the countryside teaching social ethics. I don’t believe it. I think he was campaigning to start a war. Anyone who stood in his way became the enemy. He said
“But as for my enemies who did not want me for their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence.” (Luke 19:27 NJB). These were not the words of a man pushing peace and good will amongst men.

 

[Elungata]

Towards the end of his campaign Jesus triumphantly rode into Jerusalem on a donkey on Palm Sunday. He went public, and the crowds hailed him as a king. They cried out "Hosanna", the ancient cry of Jewish independence.
Luke had Jesus say to his disciples;
“…if you have no sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” (Luke 22: 36 NJB). Jesus was getting his fellow Jews ready for the big fight.
Pilate soon worked out what was going on. He sent a cohort of soldiers to arrest him. A cohort was 500 Roman soldiers, roughly equivalent to 40 football teams of men. Jesus was a big fish with an entourage of supporters that needed to be decisively crushed. His supporters were terrified and ran away.
Luke had the chief priests and scribes take Jesus to Pilate, saying
“We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ, a King.” (Luke 23;2). Pilate asked Jesus if he was king of the Jews and Jesus answered
“it is as you say it.” (Luke 23;3). He effectively signed his own death warrant.

 

[Ishmael]

I have refuted most of your arguments but it seems that may be its difficult for you to understand or you doing it deliberatelly and is that how you refute the argument. Lets start where i have highlighted, again where in the bible jesus himself says im god worship me.

Denying is not refutation.

Where in the Quran Allah said I am God? Let me see if you will be able to give me a verse from Allah's mouth and not Jibril.

 

[Ishmael]

Acha mbwembwe bwana mkubwa, wale wanaokwenda pale St. Joseph, posta ya zamani wanasalia chini ya mti?
Au unataka kuyakana makanisa?
Wait a minute, hivi baada ya wazazi wa Yesu kumtafuta mtoto wao, walimkuta wapi?
Luka 2:49.

Haya bishana na hii aya hapa chini.

[h=1]Ephesians 1:22-23New International Version (NIV)[/h]22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.