Mapungufu ya kisheria katika Kesi ya Yesu (kwa mujibu wa sheria ya wayahudi)

[Ishmael]

tatizo ishmael anahubiri wakati lengo la uzi ni kumjadili yesu kama historical figure.
upanga tutaendelea kuutafsiri kama upanga

Kijana. Nona Injil imesha anza kukuingia taratiiiib. Safi sana. Tutafika tu. Kumbuka Yesu anakupenda na alikufa kwa ajili yako.

 

[nambokola]

Denying is not refutation.

Where in the Quran Allah said I am God? Let me see if you will be able to give me a verse from Allah's mouth and not Jibril.

Denying!!!! can you show me where did i do that i took your arguments and compare them with other verses in the bible is that called denying..... funny i asked you a question and you answer it with question but i understand thats how we african do.
However,if i give you a proof you will also need to give me a proof but i knew you will ask me anyway cause many christians says that Allah did not say anywhere in the Quraan worship me:

(Surat Twaha 20:14)

Yussuf Ali Translation: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise".

Arbery Translation: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


My question still remain: Where in the old tesment and new jesus himself says I AM JESUS OR GOD WORSHIP ME as it is clearly mentioned in the Quraan.

 

[beefinjector]

I can see you are now dodging your prior argument of "MY FATHER'S BUSINESS". "In the book of Matthew in Chapter 2, the kings came to him, and they bought him gold, frankincense and myrrh."Jesus had so much money that he needed a treasurer: The New Testament describes Judas as the "treasurer" for Jesus' disciples. "Why would a band of 12 men need a treasurer if they didn't have some treasures," "You need a treasurer when you have surplus."

So to you the word "business" only means making money? Don't you know that the word can mean a lot of other things? Using scriptures, tell me how much gold and other stuff did they give Jesus. Give me proof (using scriptures) that Jesus had so much money.

 

[bona]

Jesus is God. That is why the pharisees said He blasphemy when He compared Himself to God.

mungu gani wewe anayetandikwa viboko mbele ya kadamnasi na kuanza kulia ovyo ovyo..... mungu kweli anaweza kujidhalilisha mbele ya waumba wake? mungu anatakiwa ashinde maadui zake sio kulia lia ovyo wakat akisulubiwa hardly stuff from the all powerful supreme being!!!!

he was just a rebel leader whom authorities caught up with him!!!

 

[Manyovu]

Hi IshmaelI like your arguments and the way unavyowachulie ndugu zetu wanaojaribu kupinga hoja zako. Naamini taratibu na kwa mwendo huu wataifahamu kweli nayo kweli itawaweka huru. Najua ni jambo gumu kuelewa uungu wa Yesu na hasa unapoweka logics za kibinadamu. Tunapaswa kuelewa kuwa ilitakiwa GHARAMA kubwa kulipwa kumukomboa mwanadamu toka utumwa wa shetani na hapa Mungu hakuwa na jinsi isipokuwa kuiruhusu nafsi mojawapo yake kuja duniani. Kumbuka shetani hakuwa mdogo mbinguni na alihitaji nguvu kubwa zaidi kupambana naye.

 

[nambokola]

Hi IshmaelI like your arguments and the way unavyowachulie ndugu zetu wanaojaribu kupinga hoja zako. Naamini taratibu na kwa mwendo huu wataifahamu kweli nayo kweli itawaweka huru. Najua ni jambo gumu kuelewa uungu wa Yesu na hasa unapoweka logics za kibinadamu. Tunapaswa kuelewa kuwa ilitakiwa GHARAMA kubwa kulipwa kumukomboa mwanadamu toka utumwa wa shetani na hapa Mungu hakuwa na jinsi isipokuwa kuiruhusu nafsi mojawapo yake kuja duniani. Kumbuka shetani hakuwa mdogo mbinguni na alihitaji nguvu kubwa zaidi kupambana naye.

We kweli Manyovu,

Hakuna argument aloiweka watu wakashindwa kuifuta na sisi hatuko hapa kiushabiki ila kukuelimisheni kwamba musimsingizie yesu uungu wakati mungu na yesu mwenyewe wanasema yesu ni mtu ndo maana Allah anasema katika quraan "leteni ushahidi kama nyinyi mnasema kweli" Mungu wetu anaitwa Allah kama inavyosema quraan surat Twaha 20:14 "I am Allah" labda nikuulize swali kama yesu ni part ya mungu jee huyo mungu wenu hasa anaitwa nani kwa mujibu wa Biblia na kama utakimbia swali hilo ukasema yesu ni mungu mwenyewe jee anasifa za uungu kama zile zilizotajwa kwenye Biblia.

 

[Manyovu]

Nambokola Mungu wangu ni Mungu Muumbaji, mwanzo na mwisho na kwa mujibu wa Biblia, tunayo majina mengi ambayo yote yanabeba sifa zake. Nikukumbushe tu kuwa Mungu si kama mwanadamu mwenye nafsi moja na roho moja. Mungu ninayemuabudu ana nafsi zaidi ya moja na ana roho zaidi ya moja ndo maana ana uwezo wa kuwa mahali popote na kwa wakati mmoja. Niambie ni mwanadamu yupi ambaye aliwahi kuzaliwa bila muunganiko wa mwanaume na mwanamke? Hii tu inatosha kukuthibitishia kuwa YESU hakuwa mwanadamu wa kawaida kama ambavyounaweza kuwa unafikiria.

 

[Ishmael]

mungu gani wewe anayetandikwa viboko mbele ya kadamnasi na kuanza kulia ovyo ovyo..... mungu kweli anaweza kujidhalilisha mbele ya waumba wake? mungu anatakiwa ashinde maadui zake sio kulia lia ovyo wakat akisulubiwa hardly stuff from the all powerful supreme being!!!!

he was just a rebel leader whom authorities caught up with him!!!

Why are you dodging my question: Why did the pharisee say Jesus blasphemy? It's obvious you won't engage the evidences. You have been proven wrong. Now, where are your evidences that Jesus is not God?

 

[Ishmael]

So to you the word "business" only means making money? Don't you know that the word can mean a lot of other things? Using scriptures, tell me how much gold and other stuff did they give Jesus. Give me proof (using scriptures) that Jesus had so much money.

You can't engage, much less refute, my arguments and evidences.

I refute everything of substance you throw at me.

You cannot defend against my refutations.

 

[Ishmael]

Hi IshmaelI like your arguments and the way unavyowachulie ndugu zetu wanaojaribu kupinga hoja zako. Naamini taratibu na kwa mwendo huu wataifahamu kweli nayo kweli itawaweka huru. Najua ni jambo gumu kuelewa uungu wa Yesu na hasa unapoweka logics za kibinadamu. Tunapaswa kuelewa kuwa ilitakiwa GHARAMA kubwa kulipwa kumukomboa mwanadamu toka utumwa wa shetani na hapa Mungu hakuwa na jinsi isipokuwa kuiruhusu nafsi mojawapo yake kuja duniani. Kumbuka shetani hakuwa mdogo mbinguni na alihitaji nguvu kubwa zaidi kupambana naye.

Asante Mtumishi. Tupo pamoja hapa. Apewe sifa zote Yesu Kristo aliye hai.

Mungu akubariki sana.

 

[Ishmael]

Denying!!!! can you show me where did i do that i took your arguments and compare them with other verses in the bible is that called denying..... funny i asked you a question and you answer it with question but i understand thats how we african do.
However,if i give you a proof you will also need to give me a proof but i knew you will ask me anyway cause many christians says that Allah did not say anywhere in the Quraan worship me:

(Surat Twaha 20:14)

Yussuf Ali Translation: "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise".

Arbery Translation: Verily I am God; there is no god but I; therefore serve Me, and perform the prayer of My remembrance.


My question still remain: Where in the old tesment and new jesus himself says I AM JESUS OR GOD WORSHIP ME as it is clearly mentioned in the Quraan.

Pole sana kijana.

Moja: Hayo maneno ni ya Jibril na sio Allah. Muhammad Nabii wenu hakuwai ongea na Allah, bali aliongea na Jibril. Hayo madai yapo kwenye kitabu chenu.

Pili: Hizo aya zinasema kuwa HAKUNA MUNGU na hazisemi kuwa Allah ni Mungu.

Tatu. Bado haujathibisha kuwa Allah ni Mungu.

Soma Revelation 21:7 Yesu kasema yeye ni Mungu.

Wapi aya kutoka kwenye Quran ambayo Allah anasema kwa mdomo wake kuwa yeye ni Mungu.

 

[Tiger]

Haya bishana na hii aya hapa chini.

[h=1]Ephesians 1:22-23New International Version (NIV)[/h]22 And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.

Hapa umejibu swali lipi kati ya matatu yaliyo kwenye post yangu?
Pale St. Joseph wanasali chini ya mti?
Wazazi wa Yesu walimkuta wapi mtoto wao baada ya kumtafuta sana?

Luke 2:49
New International Version (NIV)

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”

Hiyo nyumba ya babayake ni nini?

 

[beefinjector]

You can't engage, much less refute, my arguments and evidences.

I refute everything of substance you throw at me.

You cannot defend against my refutations.

If you can't prove your claims then you better shut up and not give lame excuses!

 

[Al Watani]

kwa ujumla ni kwamba kulikuwa kuna uvunjaji mkubwa sana wa haki za binadamu katika kesi ya yesu, katika kila hatua yan mashitaka ya yesu taratibu za mashitaka zilivunjwa kwa mfano
1 kukamatwa kwake John 18: 19-24 hapa kulikuwa na uvunjifu wa taratibu za kisheria kwa wakati anachukuliwa maelezo na kuhani ilionyesha waziwazi kuwa tayari alikuwa kama ameshahukumiwa tayari, pia alipigwa kukubali makosa yaliyokuwa yanamkabili kwa kuhani,lakini alipoomba kuita mashahidi hakupewa nafasi.
2 alipopelekwa kwa khayafa ambayo hii ni hatua ya pili napo haki ya kuita mashahidi hakupewa, japokuwa hii ilikuwa ni commital proceedings, nafasi ya yeye kupewa nafasi ya kuwaita mashahidi wakati wakati shauri kusikilizwa katika hatua inayofuatwa hakupewa pia
3 katika hatua hii aliposomewa mashitaka hakupewa hata haki ya kusikilizwa badala yake majaji Herode na Pilato walitofautiana misimamo Luka 23: 14 pilato alikuwa na disenting opinion lakini bado hukumu yake ilitolewa kwa shinikizo la washitaki wake
4 mwisho wakati wa hukumu kutolewa hakupewa hata nafasi ya kujitetea na mwisho wa yote hukumu ilitolewa ya mauaji pamoja na uvunjaji haki wote uliofanyika katika shauri. I stand to be corrected

 

[Ishmael]

If you can't prove your claims then you better shut up and not give lame excuses!

I gave you tonnes of evidence but you decided to dodge them. I even proved to you that Jesus had an accountant. All you did was to deny the infallible word. As the second person of the Trinity, Jesus is as rich as God is rich. Indeed, our Lord owns everything and possesses all power, authority, sovereignty, glory, honor, and majesty (Isaiah 9:6;Micah 5:2;John 1:1,8:58,10:30,17:5; Colossians 1:15-18,2:9-10;Hebrews 1:3).

The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"); that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing..., if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on.

 

[Ishmael]

Hapa umejibu swali lipi kati ya matatu yaliyo kwenye post yangu?
Pale St. Joseph wanasali chini ya mti?
Wazazi wa Yesu walimkuta wapi mtoto wao baada ya kumtafuta sana?

Luke 2:49
New International Version (NIV)

49 "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"

Hiyo nyumba ya babayake ni nini?

As the Messiah, He would be about [His] Father's business. Some texts read in my father's house which does not significantly affect the meaning of the text . Either way, He was doing what God wanted Him to do, and in so doing, was under God's protection (cf. John 4:34). He is gently telling his earthly parents that He must do the will of God, and they must entrust His safety to God. Furthermore, Jesus turns Mary's use of father in verse 48 to explain that His true Father was in heaven.

 

[nambokola]

Pole sana kijana.

Moja: Hayo maneno ni ya Jibril na sio Allah. Muhammad Nabii wenu hakuwai ongea na Allah, bali aliongea na Jibril. Hayo madai yapo kwenye kitabu chenu.

Pili: Hizo aya zinasema kuwa HAKUNA MUNGU na hazisemi kuwa Allah ni Mungu.

Tatu. Bado haujathibisha kuwa Allah ni Mungu.

Soma Revelation 21:7 Yesu kasema yeye ni Mungu.

Wapi aya kutoka kwenye Quran ambayo Allah anasema kwa mdomo wake kuwa yeye ni Mungu.

Duh Mashakil kweli kweli,

Sasa ww Gabriel alikua ni mpelekaji ujumbe lazima awepo na si kwa muhammad tu alishuka bali alishuka kwa mitume wengi na waja wema pia na hao utakataa ujumbe wao ww vipi hujajibu swali langu unakimbia kimbia kama huwezi sema siwezi kujibu huo mzig mzito kwangu instead ya ww kupenya penya aya iko wazi kabisa

Hayo maneno ni ya Jibril hakuna hata sehemu moja Gabriel ana claim kama yy ni mungu hamna si katika bibli wala quraan

Muhammad hakuwahi kuongea na Allah sasa hii ndo sababu ya kukataa utume wa kipenzi chetu au maneno ya Allah

"Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: kusoma ama kuona ama kusikia husikii kipi kati ya hicho passage iko wazi kabisa I AM ALLAH:HAKUNA MOLA MWENGINE ISIPOKUA MIMI

Ukiisoma hiyo Revelation 21:7 inaonesha wazi kwamba mungu ni mmoja na ana wana ila yesu si mungu wala si mtoto pekee wamungu kwa ushahidi wa biblia kutoka kwa yesu ukiisoma Yohana 20:17 inasema "Yesu akamwambia usinishike kwa maana sijapaa kwenda kwa baba lakini nenda kwa ndugu zangu ukawaambie napaa kwenda kwa baba yangu naye ni baba yenu kwa mungu wangu nae ni mungu wenu: vipi tena yesu anakuwa mungu wakati anasema baba yangu ndo baba yenu na mungu wangu ndo mungu wenu weka hoja zako vizuri halafu rudi tena.

Na ukiisoma Yohana 17:1-3 inasema "Na uzima wa milele ndio huu wakujue ww mungu wa pekee na yesu christo uliyemtuma" na anayetumwa na mungu anakuwa mtume ama mungu.

Maneno hayo yanathibitishwa na quraan pia ambapo Allah anasema katika sura ya 112 Al-Ikhlas

1. Sema: Yeye Mwenyezi Mungu ni wa pekee.

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2. Mwenyezi Mungu Mkusudiwa.

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3. Hakuzaa wala hakuzaliwa

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4. Wala hana anaye fanana naye hata mmoja.

Kijana njoo na hoja nikiona umekuja na pumba tena saivi itanibidi nikuache upite tuu maana quraan inasema hakuna kulazimishana katika dini na ukija na hoja ukijibu hoja zangu na swali langu basi tutaenda vizuri tuu Insha Allah.

 

[nambokola]

As the Messiah, He would be about [His] Father's business. Some texts read in my father's house which does not significantly affect the meaning of the text . Either way, He was doing what God wanted Him to do, and in so doing, was under God's protection (cf. John 4:34). He is gently telling his earthly parents that He must do the will of God, and they must entrust His safety to God. Furthermore, Jesus turns Mary's use of father in verse 48 to explain that His true Father was in heaven.

Kijana Mbona unajichanganya jee yesu ni mungu ama mwana wa mungu na hapo panathibitisha kwamba yesu ni mtume aliyetumwa kwa wana wa Israel maelezo yako yote yanaonesha kwamba mungu anajitegemea hana mwana wala msaidizi.Tafuta dini iliyo ya kweli usije sema hatukukwambia.

 

[beefinjector]

I gave you tonnes of evidence but you decided to dodge them. I even proved to you that Jesus had an accountant. All you did was to deny the infallible word. As the second person of the Trinity, Jesus is as rich as God is rich. Indeed, our Lord owns everything and possesses all power, authority, sovereignty, glory, honor, and majesty (Isaiah 9:6;Micah 5:2;John 1:1,8:58,10:30,17:5; Colossians 1:15-18,2:9-10;Hebrews 1:3).

The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"); that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing..., if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on.

I don't believe you are this stupid!

 

[nambokola]

I gave you tonnes of evidence but you decided to dodge them. I even proved to you that Jesus had an accountant. All you did was to deny the infallible word. As the second person of the Trinity, Jesus is as rich as God is rich. Indeed, our Lord owns everything and possesses all power, authority, sovereignty, glory, honor, and majesty (Isaiah 9:6;Micah 5:2;John 1:1,8:58,10:30,17:5; Colossians 1:15-18,2:9-10;Hebrews 1:3).

The Bible says that He [Jesus] had a treasurer-a treasury (they called it "the bag"); that they had one man who was the treasurer, named Judas Iscariot; and the rascal was stealing out of the bag for three-and-a-half years and nobody knew that he was stealing. You know why? Because there was so much in it, He couldn't tell. Nobody could tell that anything was missing..., if Jesus didn't have anything, what do you need a treasury for? A treasury is for surplus. It's not for that which you're spending. It's only for surplus-to hold it until you need to spend it. Therefore, He must have had a whole lot that needed to be held in advance that He wasn't spending. So He must have had more than He was living on.

Nilipo highlights Mbona kuna biblia nyengine zinasema kwamba hilo la Trinity limepachikwa na hamna hayo maneno kwenye biblia nyengine unaweza kuthibitisha vipi maneno hayo wakati kuna contradictions between bibles