Mapungufu ya kisheria katika Kesi ya Yesu (kwa mujibu wa sheria ya wayahudi)

[Ishmael]

Sina tatizo na hilo kwa sasa lakini je, ulichosema kinaendana na Luke 2:49?

Yes, indeed. Sasa Yesu awe na watu 12 na wote hao walikuwa wafanya biashara na familia zao. Hivi, Yesu aliwalisha nini na aliwezaje kusaidia familia zao bila ya kuwa na hela?

Hivi, mfanya biashara anaweza kuacha kazi yeke na kumfuata fukara/maskini asie na kitu? Issue hapa labda unataka kufahamu Yesu alipate hela, if that is so just ask.

Mfano: Luke was a Dr/ Physicist? Sasa huyu aliona nini kwa Yesu na kufunga ofisi yake na kuamua kumfuata?

Matthew, or Levi, son of Alpheus, lived in Capernaum. He was a publican or tax collector.

By trade, Peter was a fisherman. He was a married man (1Corinthians 9:5) and his home was Capernaum.

Tradition says that Philip preached in Phrygia and died a martyr at Hierapolis. Philip came from Bethsaida, the town from which Peter and Andrew came (John 1:44). The likelihood is that he, too, was a fisherman.

Simon: From this background, we see that Simon was a fanatical Nationalist, a man devoted to the Law, a man with bitter hatred for anyone who dared to compromise with Rome.

 

[Ishmael]

More of philosophy than reality!

I know it is hard if not impossible for you to comprehend the infallible word. If you have the ability and knowledge to refute my post, you are welcome to do so.

 

[Ishmael]

Vitabu vingine vimefafanua hivi:
◄ Luke 2:49 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?"

New Living Translation
"But why did you need to search?" he asked. "Didn't you know that I must be in my Father's house?"

English Standard Version
And he said to them, "Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?"

All those translations supports my argument that Jesus was doing His Fathers business in His Father's House.

 

[Tiger]

Yes, indeed. Sasa Yesu awe na watu 12 na wote hao walikuwa wafanya biashara na familia zao. Hivi, Yesu aliwalisha nini na aliwezaje kusaidia familia zao bila ya kuwa na hela?

Hivi, mfanya biashara anaweza kuacha kazi yeke na kumfuata fukara/maskini asie na kitu? Issue hapa labda unataka kufahamu Yesu alipate hela, if that is so just ask.

Mfano: Luke was a Dr/ Physicist? Sasa huyu aliona nini kwa Yesu na kufunga ofisi yake na kuamua kumfuata?

Matthew, or Levi, son of Alpheus, lived in Capernaum. He was a publican or tax collector.

By trade, Peter was a fisherman. He was a married man (1Corinthians 9:5) and his home was Capernaum.

Tradition says that Philip preached in Phrygia and died a martyr at Hierapolis. Philip came from Bethsaida, the town from which Peter and Andrew came (John 1:44). The likelihood is that he, too, was a fisherman.

Simon: From this background, we see that Simon was a fanatical Nationalist, a man devoted to the Law, a man with bitter hatred for anyone who dared to compromise with Rome.

As far as I can remember, Luke was not among the disciples.
Kuhusiana na hela yes they needed money for the living. Hata makanisa na misikiti vina sadaka, zaka, donors na miradi mbali mbali ili kuendesha shughuli zao.
Je,kuna tatizo hapo?

 

[Tiger]

All those translations supports my argument that Jesus was doing His Fathers business in His Father's House.

What business?

 

[Ishmael]

As far as I can remember, Luke was not among the disciples.
Kuhusiana na hela yes they needed money for the living. Hata makanisa na misikiti vina sadaka, zaka, donors na miradi mbali mbali ili kuendesha shughuli zao.
Je,kuna tatizo hapo?

Let me address the issue of Dr. Luke first: Luke was not one of the original Apostles called by Jesus. However Luke, Paul and Mark (also called John Mark) were Disciples of Jesus. Before the resurrection Jesus' followers were called Apostles after the resurrection His followers were called disciples and of course now we're called Christians, Followers of Christ Jesus

Luke is a man from Antioch, Syria, a physician by profession. He was a disciple of the apostles, and later he accompanied Paul until his martyrdom. Having neither wife nor child, he served the Lord without distraction. He fell asleep in Boeotia at the age of 84, full of the Holy Spirit. Moved by the Holy Spirit, Luke composed all of this Gospel in the districts around Achaia . . .

Now the issues of Money:


John 12: 6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it.

Money bag: Kumbe Yesu alikuwa na begi lililo na Fedha. Sasa hizi fedha alitoa wapi?

The gospel writer Luke (Luke 8: 1-3) tells us: Jesus went from town to town, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God; and in addition to ‘The Twelve' male disciples there was a group of women who had been healed, including Mary Magdalene, Joanna and Susanna. Luke writes that "these women were helping to support them out of their own means" (8:3). So those who had money were financially helping the ministry to take place.

 

[Tiger]

Let me address the issue of Dr. Luke first: Luke was not one of the original Apostles called by Jesus. However Luke, Paul and Mark (also called John Mark) were Disciples of Jesus. Before the resurrection Jesus' followers were called Apostles after the resurrection His followers were called disciples and of course now we're called Christians, Followers of Christ Jesus

Luke is a man from Antioch, Syria, a physician by profession. He was a disciple of the apostles, and later he accompanied Paul until his martyrdom. Having neither wife nor child, he served the Lord without distraction. He fell asleep in Boeotia at the age of 84, full of the Holy Spirit. Moved by the Holy Spirit, Luke composed all of this Gospel in the districts around Achaia . . .

Now the issues of Money:


John 12: 6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief, and having charge of the moneybag he used to help himself to what was put into it.

Money bag: Kumbe Yesu alikuwa na begi lililo na Fedha. Sasa hizi fedha alitoa wapi?

The gospel writer Luke (Luke 8: 1-3) tells us: Jesus went from town to town, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God; and in addition to ‘The Twelve’ male disciples there was a group of women who had been healed, including Mary Magdalene, Joanna and Susanna. Luke writes that “these women were helping to support them out of their own means” (8:3). So those who had money were financially helping the ministry to take place.

Kwahiyo Luka alikuwa wa 13 au vipi?
About the money, msikitini au kanisani hawaruhusiwi kuwa na hela?
How do you build those mosques and churches?

 

[Tiger]

All those translations supports my argument that Jesus was doing His Fathers business in His Father's House.

Again, what business?

 

[Ishmael]

Again, what business?

Yesu amekujibu hapa chini:

John 5:36
"I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish--the very works that I am doing--testify that the Father has sent me.

 

[Ishmael]

What business?

Jesus continually received the benefits of being about his Fathers business-increasing in wisdom and grace with God. He was twelve years old when He sat and taught in the Temple in the midst of the scholars, and all who heard Him where astounded at His insightful answers (Luke 2:46). Even at His young age Jesus knew what he was here to do and He was unstoppable. In just a few years He would share with everyone the Divine plan laid out for Him. He would read and say these words in a Jerusalem synagogue from the book of Isaiah:

The spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor, He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of the sight to the blind, to set liberty to those who are oppressed; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord...then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him...And He began to say to them, "today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing".
He knew there was a plan for Him, that He was to restore humanity, that He was here to put the spiritual world back into order and that He was to save the human race.


Despite the size of the task we hear him speak with poise and surety when he says to His parents:
Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business"?

How did Jesus fulfill His plan? First He was born within the laws of the divine design. We read:

"...there was no other way for Him to become an actual human being than to be conceived, to becarried in the womb, to be born, to be brought up, and to acquire more and more knowledge's so as to become intelligent and wise"

 

[Ishmael]

Kwahiyo Luka alikuwa wa 13 au vipi?
About the money, msikitini au kanisani hawaruhusiwi kuwa na hela?
How do you build those mosques and churches?

I am a disciple too.

 

[Tiger]

Jesus continually received the benefits of being about his Fathers business-increasing in wisdom and grace with God. He was twelve years old when He sat and taught in the Temple in the midst of the scholars, and all who heard Him where astounded at His insightful answers (Luke 2:46). Even at His young age Jesus knew what he was here to do and He was unstoppable. In just a few years He would share with everyone the Divine plan laid out for Him. He would read and say these words in a Jerusalem synagogue from the book of Isaiah:

The spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor, He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of the sight to the blind, to set liberty to those who are oppressed; to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord...then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him...And He began to say to them, “today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing”.
He knew there was a plan for Him, that He was to restore humanity, that He was here to put the spiritual world back into order and that He was to save the human race.


Despite the size of the task we hear him speak with poise and surety when he says to His parents:
Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father’s business”?

How did Jesus fulfill His plan? First He was born within the laws of the divine design. We read:

“...there was no other way for Him to become an actual human being than to be conceived, to becarried in the womb, to be born, to be brought up, and to acquire more and more knowledge's so as to become intelligent and wise”

So was he doing that "business" for money or he needed money to do it?

 

[Tiger]

I am a disciple too.

Teh teh! But not among those appointed by the man himself?

 

[Ishmael]

So was he doing that "business" for money or he needed money to do it?

God doesn't need money to do business. It was just for non believers and faithless people like you to comprehend the power that is in Him. In fact, Jesus created everything. He didn't ask for money but money followed Him from birth.

 

[Guus]

Safi sana, watu huwa wanalalamika tu eti "hakuna kazi, hakuna kazi"; mnamuona mwanasheria huyu!? Kajionea dili za kesi mtaani zinapiga chenga kaamua achunguze kesi ya Yesu! Saaafi maisha yanasonga...

 

[Tiger]

Ishmael tell me about the money, msikitini au kanisani hawaruhusiwi kuwa na hela?
How do you build those mosques and churches?

 

[nambokola]

Jesus has two natures. He was God incarnate 100% and He was a Man 100%. He is fully divine and fully man. In other words, Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh (John 1:1, 14). This means that in the single person of Jesus he has both a human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh (John 1:1, 14). Instead, 1)the Word was joined with humanity (Col. 2:9). Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man who "had God within Him," nor is he a man who "manifested the God principle." He is God in flesh, second person of the Trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word." (Heb. 1:3).(1a) Jesus' two natures are not "mixed together" (Eutychianism), nor are they combined into a new God-man nature (Monophysitism). They are separate yet act as a unit in the one person of Jesus. This is called the Hypostatic Union.The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action":
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[TD]GOD[/TD]
[TD]MAN
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[TD]He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33)[/TD]
[TD]He worshiped the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5)[/TD]
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[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He is prayed to (Acts 7:59)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He prayed to the Father (John 17)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He knows all things (John 21:17)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: left"]He gives eternal life (John 10:28)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]He died (Rom. 5:8)[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: left"]All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)[/TD]
[TD]

He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)​

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[/TR]
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Mkuu Ishmael,

May be there is a language barrier between us but i will speak the same language as you from now on.
We have to agree that a Holly scripture should not contain contradictions but it seems that you or the bible are contradict.However if there are two conflicting verse,then only one can be true,both can never be true or or both are wrong.
Jesus has two nature (devine+human) but this then is in contradiction with many passages in the bible😀eutoronomy 4:39 ....... that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath:there is none else.Deutoronomy 6:4 Hear, O israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. I think you guys are reading the bible upside down and in my previous comment i told you clearly that when you read Malachi 3-6 it says "I am the LORD, and I do not change" so it shows that jesus is not god because god does not change so having two nature is impossible to god.

Jesus is the Word who was God and was with God and was made flesh this is John1:1 then how many gods are there? read isaiah 43:10-11 .........."and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". From isaiah 44:6 it says "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God". We can conclude that God alone was the creator and no one else,not even Jesus,participated in the creation as we can see in the isaiah 45:18.Moreover, John 1:1 should be written ........and the word was God's. The mistake could have been in the translation from Aramaic to Greek,deliberately or not. In the Greek language Theos is God,but Theou means God's (see greek dictionary,greek bible or Muhammad in the bible by professor.Abdul - Ahad Dawud,former Bishop of Uramiah page 16).A difference of only one letter but big consequences.

But why jesus called a word of god because in the Quraan jesus was called a word from Allah if you read surah 3:45 "Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah"
Because the creation of jesus in the womb of Mary was without the agency of a sperm,just only with the decree of Allah:"Be", as mentioned in the same surah 3:47"She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is".

The divine nature was not changed when the Word became flesh it is funny to see people still believe that jesus is part of the god or the god while there are many verses in the bible which shows differently, i will show you some of them to see if jesus was god or part of god as you claim or his devine nature was not changed so i dont know which one to believe you or the bible: read 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; it is very clear, i cant understand why it is so difficult for christians to understand a simple language look the simple expression the man christ jesus.
"sitotumia ukali wa hasira yangu sitarudi kumuangamiza efrehemu kwa maana mimi ni mungu mimi si mwana adamu". Bible and another one 17:1-3 yohana Na uzima wa milele ndio huu wakujue ww mungu wa pekee na yesu christo uliyemtuma na anayetumwa na mungu anakuwa mtume ama mungu Now you can either say that John 1:1 is right and all other verses are wrong,or reverse.

Quraan 5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.

Number 1 and 1b is confusing.

Is there any verse in the Bible which Jesus himself says im god?

 

[Ishmael]

Teh teh! But not among those appointed by the man himself?

I am, through the Holy Spirit just like Paul or Luke was....

To be more precise. I am a JOINT heir with Christ, a king and a priest through His precious blood to God and the Father. Revelation 1 : 5.

 

[Ishmael]

Ishmael tell me about the money, msikitini au kanisani hawaruhusiwi kuwa na hela?
How do you build those mosques and churches?

I don't care about Mosques et al. What I care is my kingship with Him. That is whats up, in contrast, the command is to follow Jesus.

 

[Tiger]

God doesn't need money to do business. It was just for non believers and faithless people like you to comprehend the power that is in Him. In fact, Jesus created everything. He didn't ask for money but money followed Him from birth.

Duh! Haya bana.