Museveni responds to Obama on anti-gay bill
Museveni responds to Obama on anti-gay bill
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Sina jipya, mchango wangu kwenye hii mada nimeshautoa/nimeshauhitimisha kwenye huu mjadala:
"Mashoga watoa mifano Afrika" - https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Wanazuoni/conversations/messages/22972
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Africans do not seek to impose their views on anybody. We do not want anybody to impose their views on us. This very debate was provoked by Western groups who come to our schools and try to recruit children into homosexuality. It is better to limit the damage rather than exacerbate it.
I thank everybody.
Source; The Observer (news paper)
My take: rais wa nchi lazima kuwa na msimamo hasa kwa jambo nyeti kama hili.........wakwetu yeye alishindwa hata kuuambia ulimwengu nini msimamo wake (wa Tanzania) juu ya gay\lesbian issue alipohojiwa na Amarnpour wa CNN.
mi nasema hii sheria akiisaini M 7 basi wale wanaojiita watumishi wa bwana wenye tabia ya kutafunana watanyongwa vibaya mno!
Na mimi nadhani wengi wao watakimbilia kwetu!
Na tunamuomba Rais wetu pia aipitishe hio sheriam japo kuwa kuna baadhi ya vikwazo atapata kutoka kwa Wazungu na mataifa ya magharibi!
Ni bora kushindia muhogo lkn hakuna mliberali nchi kwako!
Kuliko kula kuku wakati wapondwa kinyesi wamekuzunguka.
Heko Mu7 kwa kauli safi kabisa!
Na obama kama atachukia aende akafunge ndoa na mwenzake Desmond tutu!
hapa kwetu ma-gay hawajadai haki zao kama uganda. Kikwete aliona ni upuuzi kujibu uhalo wao. Tusimwandame sana Rais wetu jamani.
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Kikwete alijibu lile swali la Amanpour vizuri tu, ni ujinga kudhani eti hakuna siku debate ya ushoga haitakuja tanzania, it is a matter of time, maana wazungu wakishikia bango kitu wanakishikia kweli, soon wataanza kuwafinance mashoga waanze maandamano, makongamano, semina, parade na mambo ya ajabu ajabu, KILICHOTAKIWA KATIKA KULIJIBU LILE SWALI NI EXACTLY KAMA ALIVYOFANYA JK, NI KULIDHARAU SWALI, KULIDOWNPLAY NA KUONYESHA KUWA SIYO PRIORITY KATIKA MAMBO YANAYOHITAJI MAJIBU!. KWA NINI UMUULIE NYOKA MKONONI MWAKO WAKATI UNAWEZA KUMPONDA KWA MBALI TU?
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mzaz umetisha!!!!!!!!!!
Statement
by
H.E. Yoweri Kaguta Museveni
President of the Republic of Uganda
Responding to H.E. Obamas statement on Homosexuality
18th February 2014
I have seen the statement H.E President Obama of the USA made in reaction to my statement that I was going to sign the anti-homosexual Bill, which I made at Kyankwanzi. Before I react to H.E. Obamas statement, let me, again, put on record my views on the issue of homo-sexuals (ebitiingwa, bisiyaga in some of our dialects). Right from the beginning of this debate, my views were as follows:
1. I agreed with the MPs and almost all Ugandans that promotion of homosexuality in Uganda must be criminalized or rather should continue to be criminalized because the British had already done that;
2. those who agreed to become homosexuals for mercenary reasons (prostitutes) should be harshly punished as should those who paid them to be homosexual prostitutes; and
3. exhibitionism of homosexual behavior must be punished because, in this part of the World, it is forbidden to publicly exhibit any sexual conduct (kissing, etc) even for heterosexuals; if I kissed my wife of 41 years in public, I would lose elections in Uganda.
The only point I disagreed on with some of the Members of Parliament (MPs) and other Ugandans was on the persons I thought were born homosexual. According to the casual observations, there are rare deviations in nature from the normal. You witness cases like albinos (nyamagoye), barren women or men (enguumba), epa (breastless women) etc.
I, therefore, thought that similarly there were people that were born with the disorientation of being attracted to the same sex. That is why I thought that that it was wrong to punish somebody on account of being born abnormal. That is why I refused to sign the Bill and, instead, referred it to our Party (the NRM) to debate it again.
In the meantime, I sought for scientific opinions on this matter. I am grateful to Ms. Kerry Kennedy of the USA who sent me opinions by scientists from the USA saying that there could be some indications that homosexuality could be congenital. In our conference, I put these opinions to our scientists from the Department of Genetics, the School of Medicine and the Ministry of Health.
Their unanimous conclusion was that homosexuality, contrary to my earlier thinking, was behavioural and not genetic. It was learnt and could be unlearnt. I told them to put their signatures to that conclusion which they did. That is why I declared my intention to sign the Bill, which I will do.
I have now received their signed document, which says there is no single gene that has been traced to cause homosexuality. What I want them to clarify is whether a combination of genes can cause anybody to be homosexual. Then my task will be finished and I will sign the Bill.
After my statement to that effect which was quoted widely around the World, I got reactions from some friends from outside Africa. Statements like: it is a matter of choice or whom they love which President Obama repeated in his statement would be most furiously rejected by almost the entirety of our people.
It cannot be a matter of choice for a man to behave like a woman or vice-versa. The argument I had pushed was that there could be people who are born like that or who they are, according to President Obamas statement. I, therefore, encourage the US government to help us by working with our Scientists to study whether, indeed, there are people who are born homosexual. When that is proved, we can review this legislation.
I would be among those who will spearhead that effort. That is why I had refused to sign the Bill until my premise was knocked down by the position of our Scientists.
I would like to discourage the USA government from taking the line that passing this law will complicate our valued relationship with the USA as President Obama said. Countries and Societies should relate with each other on the basis of mutual respect and independence in decision making.
Valued relationship cannot be sustainably maintained by one Society being subservient to another society. There are a myriad acts the societies in the West do that we frown on or even detest. We, however, never comment on those acts or make them preconditions for working with the West.
Africans do not seek to impose their views on anybody. We do not want anybody to impose their views on us. This very debate was provoked by Western groups who come to our schools and try to recruit children into homosexuality. It is better to limit the damage rather than exacerbate it.
I thank everybody.
Yoweri K. Museveni Gen. (Rtd)
P R E S I D E N T
18th February 2014.
by
H.E. Yoweri Kaguta Museveni
President of the Republic of Uganda
Responding to H.E. Obamas statement on Homosexuality
18th February 2014
I have seen the statement H.E President Obama of the USA made in reaction to my statement that I was going to sign the anti-homosexual Bill, which I made at Kyankwanzi. Before I react to H.E. Obamas statement, let me, again, put on record my views on the issue of homo-sexuals (ebitiingwa, bisiyaga in some of our dialects). Right from the beginning of this debate, my views were as follows:
1. I agreed with the MPs and almost all Ugandans that promotion of homosexuality in Uganda must be criminalized or rather should continue to be criminalized because the British had already done that;
2. those who agreed to become homosexuals for mercenary reasons (prostitutes) should be harshly punished as should those who paid them to be homosexual prostitutes; and
3. exhibitionism of homosexual behavior must be punished because, in this part of the World, it is forbidden to publicly exhibit any sexual conduct (kissing, etc) even for heterosexuals; if I kissed my wife of 41 years in public, I would lose elections in Uganda.
The only point I disagreed on with some of the Members of Parliament (MPs) and other Ugandans was on the persons I thought were born homosexual. According to the casual observations, there are rare deviations in nature from the normal. You witness cases like albinos (nyamagoye), barren women or men (enguumba), epa (breastless women) etc.
I, therefore, thought that similarly there were people that were born with the disorientation of being attracted to the same sex. That is why I thought that that it was wrong to punish somebody on account of being born abnormal. That is why I refused to sign the Bill and, instead, referred it to our Party (the NRM) to debate it again.
In the meantime, I sought for scientific opinions on this matter. I am grateful to Ms. Kerry Kennedy of the USA who sent me opinions by scientists from the USA saying that there could be some indications that homosexuality could be congenital. In our conference, I put these opinions to our scientists from the Department of Genetics, the School of Medicine and the Ministry of Health.
Their unanimous conclusion was that homosexuality, contrary to my earlier thinking, was behavioural and not genetic. It was learnt and could be unlearnt. I told them to put their signatures to that conclusion which they did. That is why I declared my intention to sign the Bill, which I will do.
I have now received their signed document, which says there is no single gene that has been traced to cause homosexuality. What I want them to clarify is whether a combination of genes can cause anybody to be homosexual. Then my task will be finished and I will sign the Bill.
After my statement to that effect which was quoted widely around the World, I got reactions from some friends from outside Africa. Statements like: it is a matter of choice or whom they love which President Obama repeated in his statement would be most furiously rejected by almost the entirety of our people.
It cannot be a matter of choice for a man to behave like a woman or vice-versa. The argument I had pushed was that there could be people who are born like that or who they are, according to President Obamas statement. I, therefore, encourage the US government to help us by working with our Scientists to study whether, indeed, there are people who are born homosexual. When that is proved, we can review this legislation.
I would be among those who will spearhead that effort. That is why I had refused to sign the Bill until my premise was knocked down by the position of our Scientists.
I would like to discourage the USA government from taking the line that passing this law will complicate our valued relationship with the USA as President Obama said. Countries and Societies should relate with each other on the basis of mutual respect and independence in decision making.
Valued relationship cannot be sustainably maintained by one Society being subservient to another society. There are a myriad acts the societies in the West do that we frown on or even detest. We, however, never comment on those acts or make them preconditions for working with the West.
Africans do not seek to impose their views on anybody. We do not want anybody to impose their views on us. This very debate was provoked by Western groups who come to our schools and try to recruit children into homosexuality. It is better to limit the damage rather than exacerbate it.
I thank everybody.
Yoweri K. Museveni Gen. (Rtd)
P R E S I D E N T
18th February 2014.
Bravo Museveni. You are quite right in this matter. One day the western leaders will demand that we bleach white our skin in order to get aid(s) from them! We must respect our culture. By the way, have we Africans ever forced them not to swim a father, mother and children, in one pool at the same time, which is highly unethical/uncultural in Africa? Let's respect each other's culture.
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Mkuu nimekugongea LIKE hahahaaahaaa
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Ahsante mkuu, Yaani kwa hili wala sina masihara kabisa.
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Subiri Museveni asaini hiyo bill...halafu...ulete pua yako Uganda...na ujifanye ni 'muovu'(kama wewe siyo muovu) uone cha moto. This is Africa...not Pasadena California. Hit it into your mind...!!!
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Mweee!!! Na wewe?? Nani kasema amewanyayasa?? Ntafurah kama hii sheria ikija hapa tz!!!
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Rais Yoweri Kaguta Museveni leo saa 5 atatia saini muswada wa mashoga kuwa sheria,kwa mujibu wa msemaji wa chama chake cha NMR Bw.Ofwono Opondo.
Baada ya kelele na shinikizo nyingi toka nchi za magharibi na Marekani kuwa muswada huo ukisainiwa unaweza kuathiri mausiano ya Uganda na nchi zao,kwa madai eti unakiuka haki za binadamu
Museveni anatarajiwa kuhusaini muswada huo mbele ya waandishi wa habari na hasa wa jumuia ya kimataifa ili kutoa ujumbe mzito,kuwa Uganda ni nchi huru inayopashwa kujiamulia mambo yake bila shinikizo lolote toka kwa nchi wahisani.
Museveni ameenda mbali zaidi na kusema kama vipi ataimalisha uhusiano na Urusi ambao hawajiingizi kwenye siasa zao.
Muswada huo unaotoa adhabu ya kifungo cha maisha kwa yeyote atakayebainika kujiusisha na vitendo vya ushoga ulipitishwa na Bunge la Uganda mnamo tarehe 20 Dec 2013
Source: New Vision
Baada ya kelele na shinikizo nyingi toka nchi za magharibi na Marekani kuwa muswada huo ukisainiwa unaweza kuathiri mausiano ya Uganda na nchi zao,kwa madai eti unakiuka haki za binadamu
Museveni anatarajiwa kuhusaini muswada huo mbele ya waandishi wa habari na hasa wa jumuia ya kimataifa ili kutoa ujumbe mzito,kuwa Uganda ni nchi huru inayopashwa kujiamulia mambo yake bila shinikizo lolote toka kwa nchi wahisani.
Museveni ameenda mbali zaidi na kusema kama vipi ataimalisha uhusiano na Urusi ambao hawajiingizi kwenye siasa zao.
Muswada huo unaotoa adhabu ya kifungo cha maisha kwa yeyote atakayebainika kujiusisha na vitendo vya ushoga ulipitishwa na Bunge la Uganda mnamo tarehe 20 Dec 2013
Source: New Vision
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mugabe amempiga mkwara obama kwakumwambia kama anataka ndoa za jinsia moja aanze kumuwowa yeyey kwanza ndio atasain hiyo bill